The Valenti Show with Rico - What Is Acceptable For Michigan State Football In 2023?
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- Опубліковано 19 вер 2024
- What will be acceptable for Michigan State Football in 2023? Valenti and Rico tell you what they would find acceptable. #football #msu #michiganstate
This schedule is harder than everyone thinks it is. I think 6-6/7-5 is acceptable as long as the losses are competitive and the team looks much better than last year. 8-4 or 9-3 should get him coach of the year. They will face 6 Top 25 teams this fall and have a preseason win total of 4.5. Also, Penn State is not unbeatable, every game except the Ohio State game Michigan has a small chance of winning. As long as Mel Tucker competes and beats a Top 25 team while going bowling, he is building toward something better.
Offf 2 pillz…..
Good to see you here Sam
Love your takes Sam. You're the only sane and rational Michigan fan. You're usually spot on with your college football analysis. - MSU class of 2001
@@JuggyGales1977lol Sam panders to several fanbases for clicks.
@@jamietwigg5152 nah, he's just stating facts to back his point...he's a very numbers guy, I love it!
7 wins would be completely acceptable to me if the defense finally fixes their problems
7 wins for that paycheck? Yikes
MSU has the 2nd hardest schedule in college football this year. If they are in a bowl game at the end of the year, I am happy
Dream on.
Over/under 5 wins. Go under.
outside of playing washington (ranked #9 going into the season), msu's schedule is pretty interchangeable w/ UM's so how is msu's the 2nd hardest while UM's is full of cupcakes?
They won't be.
Dreams Dreams Dreams. 5 Wins tops
I think 6 wins is about where the program is at, coming from a UM fan what I always ask for any team is where and how did you get better from the season prior? I dont see where they have gotten better so much so it gets you three more wins, Realistically I think the roster on defense is just not good enough to endure the season.
This is fair. Kim may be an upgrade at QB but that schedule is brutal. Personally, if they win 6 or 7 and don't get embarrassed in a few of the games, I may give them some leeway.
@@broad08530idk man, we haven't seen Kim play a single snap, how can you say he's better?
My question; what is this team identity? What type of team are they trying to be? Run first, win with defense? Air it out and outscore opponents? What exactly is Mel Tucker trying to build up there, because every year this team has been very different from the last.
Absolute Minimum Is We Have to Get to a bowl game. If we win less than 6 games again, we have a serious problem
100% agree. The Standard needs to be met this season and I believe it will
What’s the standard to you?
7-6 with a bowl win is my minimum
Lol not gonna happen. 5-8 is more likely
I'd say if they avoid assaulting anyone after a game, that is pretty acceptable to me. Pretty low bar to meet.
I like that point
Mel “Midnight Tugger” assaulted himself 😂😂🤣🤣🤣
Valenti has said numerous times on this very show over the years that MSU is historically a 6 win program. If you take out 5 years of Dantonio from 2010-15, that is largely true. So 6-6 with a bowl birth is acceptable.
6-6 is not acceptable. 7-5 is, (yes, not much better) but Mel is making championship money. 7-5 this year is acceptable. 7-5 in 2024 is not.
@@Bradley94belletire as mike/rico often point out, since the $ came from fanatical billionaire donors, it "doesn't count" when determining mel's performance vs pay. that said, mike has backed off that position lately, since the indiana loss.
@@DB-xp9px that is true. What I want to see is competitive vs Ohio State. Let’s face it, we haven’t been competitive with OSU at ALL lately. That’s not acceptable. I like Mel, I think this is going to be a better idea of where he is this year. I’ll take 7-5/8-4 if they are competitive with Ohio State and Michigan. Losing to teams like Minnesota, Maryland, Iowa, and Indiana will not be tolerated. Washington and Penn State, I get it. But if they get torched by WSH early like last year, I’ll be disappointed severly
Historically that’s fair but the bar moves when you get paid what Tucker is paid. You don’t make elite coach money to go 6-6. You can hire a lot of coaches for substantially less money to go 6-6. You pay that level of money to outperform historical averages so if you factor context you can get by with 8+. Similar to a Kirk’s Ferentz who makes around $7M or so but consistently wins 8+ games a year.
Mike, you are being reasonably fair by saying that you are paid for the games you are not supposed to win. You were critical of Jim harbaugh when he was winning 9 or 10 games and was one of the highest paid coaches. But why are the “mission statements” different? Isn’t this difference of expectation the thing that was your evidence of the UM fan base being arrogant!?
they are chameleons when it comes to msu/UM, changing however to fit the msu narrative.
the tale tale sign for me will be when the defense is on the field and the opponent is on a 3rd and 5. and if I see the db's looking around as if they don't know who is covering who. it will be a long year.
I honestly just have a hard time seeing 8 wins on the schedule. OSU, PSU, Michigan, Washington are auto-losses and I think its a lot to ask for them to win the other 8. I love Mel and like Michigan State (not an MSU fan, but I like them) but I just think 6-6 is realistic
Mel was a bum when they hired him had to appease blm fk him and fk msu
From a State fan you are totally on point Mike.
Wtf are y’all smoking… your secondary is horrible you have a QB that hasn’t started yet. You literally play penn state Ohio state Michigan Iowa Maryland and Washington .. none of those teams are push overs. Your best WR transferred out. You’re going to have a losing season again. Mel has to start recruiting instead of trying to get big hits off the transfer portal.
Our OL, DL and DB's should be improved since last season. Reed has move on and it's Mosley's time. Thorne is gone. I believe kim will be ok if the OL can protect him. They have to beat Indiana, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Rutgers, Maryland, Penn State and Washington.
Wisconsin is not on the schedule. But if you’re saying beat Wisconsin in Indy, well 😂 I’d love to see it.
I have no idea where 6 wins are at on their schedule. Anyone saying that is just wishful thinking. They will likely go 5-7 or worse. The team this year is worse than the team that just went 5-7.
Mike is already butt hurt about the media making fun of Little Brother and not respecting them 😂😂😂😂😂
Easily 7-5 minimum. Lots of questions at important positions but it is year 4. I’m saying 7 like I’m okay with it, not really happy
Pretty much same for me.
I'd be fine with 7-5. We could win either Washington or Michigan or Penn State so anything over 7 games would be awesome. It's gonna take time fellas
For me it's an 8 win season. Has to be at least that for me and I'm an MSU alum. I am taking into consideration the schedule.
That Zion Young kid they have will be playing Sundays.
thank you mike! i’ve been saying 8 wins has to be the number to hit and potentially win 1 of the 4 gauntlets. the money given to him has to result in developing his recruits and laying out a more quality coaching plan week in and week out
I honestly see 3-8 with a probable upset by cmu. If they win that, 4-8.
8 wins is the bar. One of the highest paid coaches in America and with the way schedules are now a days, anything less than that would be unacceptable for me. Agree with the the guys, MSU needs to win some games we aren’t expected to win this year as well
8 would be good. I think the clearest path there would be the 8 outside of Washington, PSU, OSU, or UM. Even out of those 4 (where they will probably be at least 7 pt underdogs) I'd say they have a shot against anyone but OSU.
Acceptable would be a decent defense, no game management problems, a resolution to our kicking problems, and at least 7-5. Happy would be 9-3 or higher with a win over U of M or Ohio State.
Overall, if the offense takes a step back after losing Coleman, I can accept it. But the defense has to be better or Hazelton has to be gone and Tucker's seat should be beating up.
MSU has to be competitive with Ohio State this year. Has to.
Beating or competing Michigan should never be enough for MSU. Not after the Dantonio era.
7 wins with more competitive games against Washington, Penn State, Michigan, & Ohio State. Are we "suppose" to win at Iowa? I don't think so this year but it will take that or another upset win to reach 7 wins.
7 wins, and competitive and not being blown out against Washington and UofM. The defense needs to be much much improved. And a bowl game win = 8.
Watch Mel lose the games he’s supposed to win and win a couple games he’s not.. What do we do then ?? LMAOO
For the money tucker gets they should be a playoff team no question asked...but in reality with his roster 6 7 wins would be ok
This 🤡 thinks Michigan fans shouldn't show up for the MSU game this year lol. Yeah we're scared of East Lansing 😂
Make sure to show up with your butter T-shirt and run your mouth since you’re so brave or make up a T-shirt saying we’re not scared of you East Lansing. I bet you won’t I’ll be looking for that T-shirt at the game🤡
I just wish we had even one reason to believe the defense will be better. When a Power 5 school has a bottom-ranked defense, usually someone gets fired, or at least gets moved around. There has been no sense of urgency about it for two years, and worse Tuck would spend each press conference blaming it on the players. One game can be because of missed routes, not two seasons. This weird hybrid scheme is never ever going to work.
I’m fine with anything that shows positive momentum. Say what you want about the money but the length of the extension gives me some pause and room to let Mel cook.
Need: make a bowl. Play extremely well at home
Want: 7-8 wins, statements on the road.
A dream: 9 wins meaning an upset over UW, OSU, PSU, or (please God) Michigan
With the schedule they have how many teams could win 8.
outside of playing washington (ranked #9 going into the season), msu's schedule is pretty interchangeable w/ UM's
I clicked on this to see if it’s real. I can’t believe anyone listens to Mike Valenti.
As a Spartan fan, I’ll accept 7 wins. I’ll even count 6-6 plus a bowl win as acceptable 7 wins. Mike is correct in that we need to see them be competitive on the field. Going down by 21 in the 2nd quarter and never coming back is just not acceptable. 6-6 where you lose to good teams 28-23 is way better than 6-6 and losing games 54-3.
6-6 with that Paycheck yikes
@@schultz25 The paycheck doesn’t matter. It’s results. If you’re going to fire Tucker for going 6-6 this year, you would fire any other coach making less. 7-6 and being competitive for 3+ quarters with top 10 teams would be a huge step forward from last year, moving in the right direction. And expectations would be higher still for next year.
@@sc100ott I’m just busting balls. I think Tucker is a good fit for MSU. I think he will get that program in a good spot.
As a Michigan fan, honestly with that roster just on the offense side, you could only just win four games. I think the defense will be better but, you guys do not have that top speed running back or receiver.
You could not be more wrong I don’t know where you’re reading this or if you thought of this on your own who knows. This is the deepest OL squad MSU has had in over a decade they are three deep. And this is also the biggest OL MSU has ever had. Where are you are right this is a much bigger faster defense than they have had in a long time. Where you’re wrong again is RB squad Jaylen burger is coming back this year and one of the best running backs out of the portal Nathan Carter and the bonus of Jarem Mangham 6-2/231 absolute freak of nature has the size of Derrick Henry. Then WR squad Trey Mosley Antonio Gates junior Tyell Henry and four-star transfer out of Nebraska Alante Brown. The only question mark is the quarterback situation which will probably be Noah Kim but he will be on a short leash because then you have Kate Houser highly rated four-star quarterback out of California extremely talented. MSU will be just fine.
CMU - SHOULD WIN
RICHMOND - SHOULD WIN
WASHINGTON - SHOULD LOSE
MARYLAND - COULD WIN
IOWA - SHOULD LOSE
RUTGERS - SHOULD WIN
MICHIGAN - SHOULD LOSE
MINNESOTA - 50/50
NEBRASKA - 50/50
OHIO STATE - SHOULD LOSE
INDIANA - 50/50
PENN STATE - SHOULD LOSE
That is only 4 should win games with 3 50/50s 2 of which are on the road vs teams they lost to last year. realistically i think a bowl game and a bowl win would be acceptable. 7-8 being ceiling and 4-5 wins being the floor
Watch and find out.
3 wins would be solid for tuck and his wet cigar
K9 may have unrealistically altered our expectations a bit, and 5-7 may have been the slap back to reality. 6-6 with a bowl game W should be the MINIMUM we want, but if we fire our dumbass coordinators, that could easily jump to 8-4/9-3. A win over UM automatically validates the season barring a total meltdown. As long as we see SOME progress and not our corners getting burned every play, I'm cool. If not? Turn up the heat.
MSU has 4 very likely losses (UW, UM, OSU, PSU), 2 toss ups (Iowa, Minnesota) on the road and 6 should wins (although @ IU isn't a gimme based on last season's loss). Best case scenario is 8-4, worst case 6-6 and most likely 7-5.
I don’t get why this guy is so down on Dantonio the winningest coach in MSU history.
This is a funny comment to read today. Thanks for this.
Nice hat. Lol
I'd say 4, maybe 5 wins, realistically, If Mike and Rico find that acceptable, that's up to them! 🎉
7-5 is bare minimum. 8-4 and up is exceeding expectations.
I feel like 8 wins is their ceiling...looks like tuck is gonna be on the hot seat
he's sitting on so many bundles of billionaire-donated cash that the seat is going to have to get awfully hot for him to notice
@@DB-xp9px right, it's a shame for the fans!
Why is Penn State and Washington auto losses. Washington is ok, but y’all are afraid of Penix. And Penn State is at home. No confidence smh
7 wins min. Butttttt if he beats Michigan again and finish 6 wins he's safe
Valenti seems to be more concerned with violence against Michigan fans at Spartan Stadium than the actual football program. The afternoon Sparty Clown Show at its worst.
Then stop watching..? 🤡
then Watch Ann Arbor Cult Bias news you Onix.
@@anthonyminauro So you are ok with the Sparty afternoon radio hour advocating violence....typical Sparty.
Iowa Wisconsin Minnesota were teams your supposed to beat but not always because they've been good for lots of years and Minnesota is a rising power so the magnitude is greater considering teams if you lose but are competitive but I see it this way you need be competitive msu wasn't last year in such games as Minnesota and that indiana dumpster fire game they showed competitiveness against Illinois and I think they held their own against Michigan cause they should have been beaten worse in my in my opinion. Acceptable to feel good about a overpaid coach come on 9 to 10 wins but considering last season definitely 8 but yeah they need beat one of the big boys
MSU isnt beating UofM.
You guys are stuck in the Dantonio years thinking that.
Just because its a night game doesn't make up 20 points for you. UofM has a veteran team. Michigan by two tuddies.
Tucker has a winning record against um
@@sles3332 yea, u're right, msu should be favored by at least 7 this year against UM 🤔
Stop melting down in games and letting them win or making some wins look harder than it was.
Hot seat 4-8
I'd say at least 6-6. OL and DL should be vastly improved plus the injury bug was brutal last year. If 4-8, the seat will be hotter than the sun and possibly he won't even make it to 2024.
mike keeps trashing UM's schedule but outside of washington, msu's schedule is pretty interchangeable w/ UM's
Michigan plays a top 5 Washington team?
@@marcusfenix6741 my mistake, i typed wisconsin but meant washington (fixed now)....which, btw, is ranked #9 going into the season, not top 5
Like the lions
This is a 6 win team at best… with a new QB, mistakes will happen leading to at least one unexpected loss. The talent that Tucker is recruiting is towards the bottom of conference and division. Tucker will be fired after 2024 season. Keep chopping!!!
Not being competitive against power 5 teams is not acceptable at least you used be in games even if you lost them but now their weak
just need 6 wins min. /get a bowl game
Can't wait for state to ruins ums season
They'll stink on the field...they're better after the game with a little 8 on 1
As a wolverine I would never be saying what's acceptable no.matter what team was coming back even in our struggles with rich rod hoke the goal to win the whole damn thing. It's stuff like this that makes msu weak . The only teams MSU can beat is Rutgers and Indiana that's a disgrace
They’ll beat Washington. Will have a elite front 7 on defense. The rest is up to how good Noah Kim is
@@HokageFlete ah yah well I don't see it
@@EricaAllispn-d2h time will tell
Lol Michigan did not have their eyes on the prize during the Hoke years, give me a break...we have delusional MSU fans that think we can win the championship just like there were dulusional Michigan fans thinking they could win it all in 2012. They're both just stupid lmao.
@user-ru5dy6sw3w Yeah I don't think you understand what's being talked about. A little over your head. Of course the goal is to win every game of the season. That just goes without saying. That's just how competitive athletics works. Lol. There is a difference between what you want to happen and what can be expected rationally. If MSU had say a 9 win season no one would be saying it was a bad year for them because they "didn't win it all". Tuckers job wouldn't be in danger because he didn't win a national title. They're talking about what's acceptable in regards to Tucker not being in danger of losing his job in 2024. 😂😂
It's really not that hard to grasp buddy. Do better.
Tucker took over a disaster! his recruits are freshman and sophomores. with the second hardest schedule in football. So you expect a disaster to go 8 and 4 in two years. B. S.
outside of playing washington (ranked #9 going into the season), msu's schedule is pretty interchangeable w/ UM's so how is it msu has the "2nd hardest schedule in football" and UM is playing a cupcake schedule?
W, W, L, L,L, W, L, we'll see, we'll see, l, w, L...
8 wins. One being Michigan. 9 with a M loss.
😂...Beating Michigan huh..lol
@@RKK-bl4oz who knows....could get another clock freezing at 1 second to give them an extra play or desmond howard type trip on the last play of the game where the entire country sees the trip but not the ref or a sack/fumble/TD recovery that is ruled as a TD but overturned on replay w/ nothing approaching indisputable video evidence.
How is them playing Ohio State and winning unimaginable when Michigan is just as good lol?
Rivalry standpoint, msu usually play Michigan good no matter how their season is going.
strange psychology the msu fanbase has......osu is "unbeatable" cuz they have crushed msu the last few years yet UM can be beat no matter we crushed the suckeyes shortly after they face-planted msu. i guess msu fans want it both ways lol
I bet you be lucky you get 6 wins
From perspective of a wolverine you got major problems acceptable get rid of your high paid coach
Sorry they are going 3-9 4-8 at best
Especially when msu beat Michigan with Walker and the team choked yeah that's a failure big time
Barely beat Wisconsin got lucky Illinois that team is bottom grub
MSU doesn't care about it's fanbase
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