Curious to see the internal difference between the M620 and the newer motors. The newer motors are lighter but the fundamentals 'being geared' remains the same throughout all of their motors. Could you weight each component within each motor 👍🏽
Sincere apologies for the delay Theosaurus. You're very kind. I'll always try and spread the word and pass on what I've learnt. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to contact me. Again, apologies for the delay and thanks for your comment 👍🏿
This was a great video. Thank you so much for sharing some of the information that you have learned. I do not own a Bafang powered bike, but after mucking around with simple service issues Shimano-based motors (that cannot be done because of the Shimano "lockdown"), I see a Bafang bike in my future. Again, super video and thanks for sharing.
@@neekodevinchi This may not be the proper place for this question, but if I buy a e10 and I build it up with a 29er rear wheel, should I get the Bafang motor configuration to be set to 29 for the rear wheel? Also, if I want to change the rear wheel to a 27.5 later, can I make the change to 27.5 in the motor configurations? Thank you.
Depending on where you buy the M500/M600/M510 motors, you can specify the wheel size and top speed. I have the besst tool and an account with Bafang. This is to not only change the wheel size in case of mullet setup for myself or others. But to ensure that the motor is running the newest firmware. Reach out to GBK (Green Bike Kits), and they might be able to do you a bundle pack for the motor system, besst tool and set you up with an account with Bafang 👍🏿
Sprag bearing clutch is the design which has taken over from the pawls. New to emtb but been used in engineering industry for a far time now. P.s. Keep the videos coming. I am looking to build my first E10 / 22. Hopefully soon.
I am actually ordering a Custom wheelset this week with Custom Onyx classic hubs, & Raceface ARC35 offset HD rims tubeless. Only hubs besides DTswiss that can handle throttle on my bike. Though after long talk with Spank they plan to redesign their Hex J-type hubs to handle the tuned m560 & handle the throttle power. But not out yet . So Onyx Classic is only way to go.
As a new Bafang & Dengfu e22 owner. Happy to have found your channel. I've been lusting for so long and 2 weeks ago... she happened and I've put 300 miles on it. 😂 Gotta figure out a drivetrain. 3x3 Nine IGH, Linkglide groupset or Revolut IGH.
I run an SRAM NX Groupset & I will tell you it rides amazing and I ride very very hard. But I run an E10 with M600 that is custom tuned & can run at up to 2000Watts of power, but I normaly run it around 1000Watts. Bafang Recently released a New Motor(FLX WEAPON X) an american company will be the first to run that 1000Watt engine. It was called the M610 by FLX and now I believe it is called the M560. It is also lighter than the M600 by a lot, & with a way better power curve, plus doesn't over heat at 1000watts of power.
Hi Jim, the M620 isn't as loud as you think. Yes, it can be heard when you're reaching higher speeds and using high levels of assist. But the motor is pulling more power than most. Their are hacks to make the motor's quieter. But it involves using a different grease. Because of the performance benefits of the motor, the noise is a slight compromise (similar to Bosch Gen4 motors). But it's not distracting imo👍🏿
Great long awaited Q&A session, thank you, thank you, thank you. Alas I have one question. What if you are simply repulsed at the idea of riding a fully carbon E-Mtb. Are there any viable aluminium (alloy) Chinese e-Mtb frames available that you would recommend? Also doing Bafang do a frame where the battery is placed in the side of the downtube instead of underneath it? I dunno if you saw a recent Rob Rides UA-cam where he and a mate gave both the Bafang motor and Dengfu carbon frame a right good bashing both in the air and on the ground on a bike park trail. It kind of answered all those questions about the durability of such Chinese sourced EMTB’s!
Apologies for the delay John. In answer to your 2nd question, yes. Their are some Emtbs which use the Bafang system with side mounted batteries. They are removable via a key and lock design. As for your 1st question, the alloy frame options are available. The Seroxat Hybrid comes to mind. Along with an alloy frame I picked up from GBK (which I'll debut in due course). Yes, I have seen Rob Rides' video. I recognise that he tested the E10 & M500 / M510 motor. Not the E22 with M620. In addition, Rob never answered the question "How do the bikes hold up after a year+, nor his experiences regarding any rudimentary/in-depth maintenance and service?". Still, I'll share my experiences and pass on what I've learnt 👍🏿
How did you fit a 220x 65 rear shock into the e55 like your video shows? I’m installing the Fox Float X and it hits the seat post down tube on the frame, What is the max length of the rear shock?
That's bizarre. A 230x65 shock should fit. And when fully compressed, the seat tube shouldn't hit the seatstay bridge. Can I confirm that you're using the correct bushes for the shock eyelets?
Are you still planning on posting a eggrider display review? I was hoping to hear your more in-depth thoughts on it and possibly a discount code on it haha :)
Apologies Bengy. I did make an eggrider v2 display video. However, I wasn't satisfied with it because it didn't highlight the features which I felt were truly noteworthy. However, Eggrider have come onboard in terms of an upcoming video (E22 v E55). It'll be that video, which will highlight the strengths of the Eggrider v2 display. But feel free to ask any questions about the display, as I'm very familiar with it👍🏿
@@neekodevinchi I look forward to watching that video! Mostly just curious if it holds up to all the praise it gets online haha! I'm in unique situation to where I require a eggrider to go 72v on my bbshd bike but I've been happy with my 860c display, worried about visibility in the sun and with sunglasses on mostly, also on if you can customize the layout / what information is displayed. Also I've heard rumors of out of the box vesc support in the future which sounds cool! Get eggrider a discount code to share for us when you post that video and me and wallet will be forever grateful! 😂
I'm in touch with Eggrider and whilst I recognise that they're still further developing the eggrider v2 display, I'm not too sure what the status is for the vessc platform overall. As for visibility of thr display compared to the 860, I'm sure the bigger display will be more easier to read whilst riding. But predominantly, I prefer to look back at my ride data after a ride. Hence, where the eggrider comes in handy👍🏿
The yoke throughout the Dengfu E10, E22, E23, E55 & E56 are the same. I have not needed a custom yoke or offset bushings for the 210x60 rear shock. Essentially, the extra stroke length allows the rear wheel to move further. This giving 162.5mm of travel. The dimensions of the 210x60 are the same as the 210x55 shock. However, running this shock does void the frame warranty (although, my E10 hasn't cracked throughout me continuously using it👍🏿
I own the LUNA X2 V2 Ludicrous. If you run over 1000watts, You can plan on OVERheating really fast when climbing. Their WHEELSET SUCKS, so plan to upgrade that, if you want to run DH or FR at all plan to upgrade the Brakes, Wheelset, Dropper post, Peddals, & rear shock. I also swapped seat, bar, grips, shifter and deraileur. I run NX groupset with HG+, considering upgrading to a GX groupset, but I run INdustry Nine Hydra Hubs, w/ 32H RaceFace ARC35 Offset rims with Cushcore + 27.5"rims with 2.8" tires. It may be cheaper to build your own. OR WAIT & get the FLX WEAPON X which is a very nice bike, much better specs all around, For nearly the same Price. Plus you get 1000watts with a lighter motor that replaces the m600. My Bike No weighs 52lbs. But it is nearly impossible to get a second Battery from LUNA, their QUANTA hubs suck, rims are pretty crappy as well. So unless you want to put another $1500 into the bike or you plan to only ride desert trails or AM. No hard riding then LUNA X2 V2 is ok. But the FLX Weapon X coming out in a Month is a way better bike for the money. With way more power. It is also adjustable so you can turn down the power like the LUNA X2 V2. Honestly If your price range is $4k-$5k their are a ton of better e-bikes out there for the money. I do regret buying my LUNA X2 V2 and I was lucky to get my with the NX setup, because they were out of SX parts. I have 900miles on my bike and never redlined it but have come close to doing so, & had to sit and wait for 30minutes while it cooled down. But if you don't get the ludicrous overheating isn't an issue. But if you don't plan to get ludicrous then buying a $4k-$5k bike that runs teh BOSCH motor is a much wiser buy. I learned the hard way. Wish I had spent a lot more and got a better bike.
If I'm not mistaken, the Giant Trance X uses a trunion rear shock. The E55 uses a metric eyelet rear shock. In addition, the Trance X uses a 150mm travel fork. The E55 needs atleast 160mm travel upfront. So it wouldn't be a simple 'swap over parts job'. The E55 frameset and motor is about £1400 inclusive postage👍🏿
Hello Neeko. I am using E22 dengfu with M620 motor. Can I change to M510 to my E22 frame? I think have to use one kind of adapter (bracket). Where can I find it?
Hi there, I have seen third party adapters which will allow you to use the M510 motor on any M620 frame. I've never used one. But in that circumstance, I suspect the wire harness and speed sensor would need to be swapped as well. The adapters can be found on Ebay, Aliexpress or through a quick Google search👍🏿
@@neekodevinchi thank you neeko. I already search at aliexpress, alibaba and found a few but I am not very clear how that adapter works. It should be 3 braket nut for frame and 3 braket nut for motor. Most of it I notice only 3 hole. Thanks you for your reply. The reason I want to change to m510 is to make my emtb more lighter. Now 28 kg. Hard for me to cross fence, river and gate. Need 2 person helping me lift the emtb.
Hi there, The original gx1 axs can be used on the E55, as it's not dependent on the sram udh. The new T-type axs unfortunately cannot be used on the E55. This is because the E55 doesn't use the sram udh. Hope this answers your question👍🏿
Apologies for the delay Michael. The E22 cant be over-stroked in the same way as the E10. Whilst myself and many others assumed that by running a 230x65 rear shock would give 163mm'ish of rear wheel travel, essentially you would only raise it to near 155mm'ish. So in short, yes. You can use a 230x65mm shock. But the travel increase is minor. I run a 230x62.5 and it comfortably gives 150mm of travel. Hope this helps 👍🏿
Could you comment on appropriate rear wheel and hubs that can accommodate 1000 watts without shredding? Would seem that you only want steel hubs, cassettes and derailleurs but who makes them besides DT Swiss and Hope?
A good question. I'm running a steel freehub body on my WTB STI30s. I haven't experienced any issues so far (although, I'm not running the M620 at 30amps). But I am liaising with someone who is on the verge of experimenting with the new WTB ebike specific wheelset. Be sure to keep a watchful eye on the E22 Frame thread. Naturally, I'll spread the word when my friend publishes his findings👍🏿
Hello Neeko. Alex here from Germany. I have a Problem with my Dengfu E10 with the bafang m600 . The Display Shows Error31 so and does Not run any more. If I replace the Torque Sensor, I need to calibrate the Motor with the besst Tool, or do you have a better solution? How do I get an Access for the best Tool Software? Can you Support me? Best regards
Sincere apologues for the delay Alex. you are in luck. I have recently liaised with a licenced Bafang distributor/Service Centre based in Germany called 'Royal Bike Parts'. They offer repair, service and stock Bafang motors and equipment. Please feel free to head over to the Dengfu Facebook Community Group, where I can introduce you to the Owner. Alternately, you can reach them at, sales@royalbikeparts.com failing this, please do not hesitate to get back in touch 👍🏿
hey im searching the internet to find out if its possible to change assist parameters with m600 using any of the new displays with BT and bafang go+ . so far no really reliable info ... maybe you know ???
How did you put the 216x62.5MM onto the E10 bike? Is it safe to do if your riding hard, i.e Downhill/Enduro/FR style? Where did you get the yoke to get the extra travel?
Hi Chris, I don't use a 216x63mm rear shock (although, I've seen others who have). Instead, I run a 210x60mm rockshox monarch plus rc3 rear shock (Trek proprietary for the Trek Slash 2014). This gives me 163.5mm of rear travel. Whilst it does void the warranty as the rear triangle can now move further than Dengfu had initially designed, I have yet to who cracked or damaged the frame after multiple 6-7foot huck-to-flats. The seat tube has not made contact with the bridge after full bottom out. But again, running the shock I'm using technically voids the frame warranty. The 210x60 shock allows me to retain the same geometry, similar to a 210x55. The shock is essentially a metric rear shock with a longer stroke, meaning that it installs into the existing yoke with the same eyelet bushes used for any Rockshox rear shock. I have overforked my E10v1 (180mm with 27.5 wheels or 170mm with 29). The 2° angle headset also aids in the handling and capabilities of the frame. Hope this answers your question but if you need a visual reference, I took a picture of my E10v1 using the 210x60 👍🏿
@@neekodevinchiyes it does, but i have seen people running 216x63 but am having hard time finding the custom Yoke. How do you feel about going from 160mm fork to a 2023 zeb Ultimate 170mm or 180mm or 2023 Fox 38 Grip2. I want to put that 216x63 on my bike the MRP Hazard coil rearshock. Unless you have a better recommendation. Love your content, you kick ass. Thank you for everything. I also runn 27.5x 2.8inch wheelset. Ordering custom Onyx Classic hubs w/Raceface Arc35 offset HD rims. Right now LunaCycles X2 V2 is on sale for $3950. Watt wagons just released new M560 with archon controller(gives the power i run on my Luna Cycle x2 v2 ludicrous, without worry of overheating)
It depends on the build of the E55. Mine weighs roughly 28kg with the 1040wh battery. It may increase in weight further, as I do plan on replacing certain components in due course (fork, shock, wheelset, tyres etc). Notwithstanding, the Bafang M630 which weighs more than the M620 but more powerful, will increase the weight even more👍🏿
Corn head grease is still recommended and optimised for the M620. Especially around the main reduction gear and subsequent secondary gears. The clutch requires a very thin layer of light non-viscuss grease. Suspension grease I find to be sufficient. But I'll elaborate on this, when I shoot my 'bafang motor service videos'. Keep a watchful eye for upcoming content and thanks for your comment 👍🏿
Corn head grease isn't the best grease for the M600. It is still optimised for the M620. The reason why is due to the revolutions per the reduction gear vs viscosity and heat. I'll go into detail about this in due course but Corn Head grease is still the best grease to use for the M620 👍🏿
What about the grease for the outer seal that sits on top of the crankshaft bearing? I imagine that place needs to be greased in order for the seal to be more water tight.
At 6foot 1inches, I would recommend the large frame E22. From my experience, its easier to shrink a bigger frame. Compared to lengthening a smaller frame. I'm 6foot 3inches, and the bike fits me very well. Be sure to check out the E22 frame thread on EMTB Forums (the first 2 pages 😅). Hopefully this helps and thanks for your comment 👍🏿
@@neekodevinchi Thank you very much for precious info. I have also already checked the thread on the forums and it's been very informative to say the least 😉👍. Great channel!
I am 5' 11" and I ride a Medium E-10. Had to change a lot with the cockpit to make it fit me right. I.E had to go to 60mm Stem, & run a 200mm Dropper post w/ travel adjust. Now it fits me perfect. I wish I had gone with a large tbh.
It too am 75inches (6foot 3inches). The large frame E22 (with 210 One Up dropper with a 50mm stem and rolling on 29er wheels is surprisingly big. The frame's silhouette and proportions (in terms of headtube height and seat tube height), are similar to other manufacturers XL's. Truth be told, I have never felt cramped on the bike. But I do recognise that I did build my E22 from scratch as a pose to buying a complete build. Hope this helps and thanks for your comment 👍🏿
You are the bafang and dengfu knowledge king on youtube!! thanks
Thanks John 👍🏿
Best Q&A ever. So glad I found your channel. Keep up the good work 👍
You're very kind. I'll be shooting a further q and a video for this year, so don't hesitate to ask away👍🏿
I'd love to see some tear down video of Bafang motors and see the internal differences side by side Neeko 👍🏽
Working on it dude 👍🏿 Anything specific you want me to delve into?
Curious to see the internal difference between the M620 and the newer motors. The newer motors are lighter but the fundamentals 'being geared' remains the same throughout all of their motors. Could you weight each component within each motor 👍🏽
That, I can do 👍🏿
Good for you for answering the questions about Bafang's warranty and servicing motors. Your testimony comes across as legit 👊🏽
Glad to help. I'll always keep it real 👍🏿
Waited so patiently. Great stuff, thank you!
Sincere apologies for the delay. I'll try to upload more often and stick to a schedule 👍🏿
i have not seen the video yet. but just liked and give a comment to support you. thank you so much for answering my question!
No worries!
Let me know if you have any further questions 👍🏿
Great QnA! You're doing an awesome job and I really enjoy your videos as well as forum publications!
Sincere apologies for the delay Theosaurus.
You're very kind. I'll always try and spread the word and pass on what I've learnt.
If you have any questions, don't hesitate to contact me.
Again, apologies for the delay and thanks for your comment 👍🏿
This was a great video. Thank you so much for sharing some of the information that you have learned. I do not own a Bafang powered bike, but after mucking around with simple service issues Shimano-based motors (that cannot be done because of the Shimano "lockdown"), I see a Bafang bike in my future. Again, super video and thanks for sharing.
You're very kind. By all means, don't hesitate to reach out to me if you have any questions Bafang related👍🏿
@@neekodevinchi This may not be the proper place for this question, but if I buy a e10 and I build it up with a 29er rear wheel, should I get the Bafang motor configuration to be set to 29 for the rear wheel? Also, if I want to change the rear wheel to a 27.5 later, can I make the change to 27.5 in the motor configurations? Thank you.
Depending on where you buy the M500/M600/M510 motors, you can specify the wheel size and top speed.
I have the besst tool and an account with Bafang. This is to not only change the wheel size in case of mullet setup for myself or others. But to ensure that the motor is running the newest firmware.
Reach out to GBK (Green Bike Kits), and they might be able to do you a bundle pack for the motor system, besst tool and set you up with an account with Bafang 👍🏿
@@neekodevinchi thank you very much for your clear, helpful response.
OMG totally surprised to see my forum question on there! thx lol
You bet!
it was a good question😀
Sprag bearing clutch is the design which has taken over from the pawls. New to emtb but been used in engineering industry for a far time now. P.s. Keep the videos coming. I am looking to build my first E10 / 22. Hopefully soon.
I am actually ordering a Custom wheelset this week with Custom Onyx classic hubs, & Raceface ARC35 offset HD rims tubeless. Only hubs besides DTswiss that can handle throttle on my bike. Though after long talk with Spank they plan to redesign their Hex J-type hubs to handle the tuned m560 & handle the throttle power. But not out yet . So Onyx Classic is only way to go.
I have an ebike mate x bafang motor 250w. The eggrider v2 will work on my bike? Thanks
Great Job! Thank you!
You're very kind. Much appreciated 👍🏿
As a new Bafang & Dengfu e22 owner. Happy to have found your channel. I've been lusting for so long and 2 weeks ago... she happened and I've put 300 miles on it. 😂
Gotta figure out a drivetrain. 3x3 Nine IGH, Linkglide groupset or Revolut IGH.
I run an SRAM NX Groupset & I will tell you it rides amazing and I ride very very hard. But I run an E10 with M600 that is custom tuned & can run at up to 2000Watts of power, but I normaly run it around 1000Watts. Bafang Recently released a New Motor(FLX WEAPON X) an american company will be the first to run that 1000Watt engine. It was called the M610 by FLX and now I believe it is called the M560. It is also lighter than the M600 by a lot, & with a way better power curve, plus doesn't over heat at 1000watts of power.
Be sure to keep a watchful eye on upcoming content Chris. I'll be covering that motor in great depth and comparing it to the M500, M600, M510 & M620👍🏿
Hi Neeko. Do you think the 620 motor is noisy? Seems like the black E55 you demoed made quite the whine. If so was it annoying to you?
Hi Jim, the M620 isn't as loud as you think. Yes, it can be heard when you're reaching higher speeds and using high levels of assist. But the motor is pulling more power than most.
Their are hacks to make the motor's quieter. But it involves using a different grease.
Because of the performance benefits of the motor, the noise is a slight compromise (similar to Bosch Gen4 motors). But it's not distracting imo👍🏿
Great long awaited Q&A session, thank you, thank you, thank you. Alas I have one question. What if you are simply repulsed at the idea of riding a fully carbon E-Mtb. Are there any viable aluminium (alloy) Chinese e-Mtb frames available that you would recommend?
Also doing Bafang do a frame where the battery is placed in the side of the downtube instead of underneath it?
I dunno if you saw a recent Rob Rides UA-cam where he and a mate gave both the Bafang motor and Dengfu carbon frame a right good bashing both in the air and on the ground on a bike park trail. It kind of answered all those questions about the durability of such Chinese sourced EMTB’s!
Apologies for the delay John.
In answer to your 2nd question, yes. Their are some Emtbs which use the Bafang system with side mounted batteries. They are removable via a key and lock design.
As for your 1st question, the alloy frame options are available. The Seroxat Hybrid comes to mind. Along with an alloy frame I picked up from GBK (which I'll debut in due course).
Yes, I have seen Rob Rides' video. I recognise that he tested the E10 & M500 / M510 motor. Not the E22 with M620. In addition, Rob never answered the question "How do the bikes hold up after a year+, nor his experiences regarding any rudimentary/in-depth maintenance and service?".
Still, I'll share my experiences and pass on what I've learnt 👍🏿
How did you fit a 220x 65 rear shock into the e55 like your video shows? I’m installing the Fox Float X and it hits the seat post down tube on the frame, What is the max length of the rear shock?
That's bizarre.
A 230x65 shock should fit. And when fully compressed, the seat tube shouldn't hit the seatstay bridge.
Can I confirm that you're using the correct bushes for the shock eyelets?
Are you still planning on posting a eggrider display review? I was hoping to hear your more in-depth thoughts on it and possibly a discount code on it haha :)
Apologies Bengy. I did make an eggrider v2 display video. However, I wasn't satisfied with it because it didn't highlight the features which I felt were truly noteworthy. However, Eggrider have come onboard in terms of an upcoming video (E22 v E55). It'll be that video, which will highlight the strengths of the Eggrider v2 display. But feel free to ask any questions about the display, as I'm very familiar with it👍🏿
@@neekodevinchi I look forward to watching that video! Mostly just curious if it holds up to all the praise it gets online haha! I'm in unique situation to where I require a eggrider to go 72v on my bbshd bike but I've been happy with my 860c display, worried about visibility in the sun and with sunglasses on mostly, also on if you can customize the layout / what information is displayed. Also I've heard rumors of out of the box vesc support in the future which sounds cool! Get eggrider a discount code to share for us when you post that video and me and wallet will be forever grateful! 😂
I'm in touch with Eggrider and whilst I recognise that they're still further developing the eggrider v2 display, I'm not too sure what the status is for the vessc platform overall.
As for visibility of thr display compared to the 860, I'm sure the bigger display will be more easier to read whilst riding. But predominantly, I prefer to look back at my ride data after a ride. Hence, where the eggrider comes in handy👍🏿
Nice
Much appreciated 👍🏿
@NeekoDeVinchi can you help me please. I need to find that custom Yoke to fit the larger rear shock on my Dengfu e10 V2.
The yoke throughout the Dengfu E10, E22, E23, E55 & E56 are the same. I have not needed a custom yoke or offset bushings for the 210x60 rear shock. Essentially, the extra stroke length allows the rear wheel to move further. This giving 162.5mm of travel. The dimensions of the 210x60 are the same as the 210x55 shock.
However, running this shock does void the frame warranty (although, my E10 hasn't cracked throughout me continuously using it👍🏿
I'm in the States and that Luna X2 is calling my name... Now I've just to pull together the $4200!
I'm sure Luna Cycles will offer support, should you buy an X2(E10). But examples of E10 builds you may have seen, would be applicable 👍🏿
I own the LUNA X2 V2 Ludicrous. If you run over 1000watts, You can plan on OVERheating really fast when climbing. Their WHEELSET SUCKS, so plan to upgrade that, if you want to run DH or FR at all plan to upgrade the Brakes, Wheelset, Dropper post, Peddals, & rear shock. I also swapped seat, bar, grips, shifter and deraileur. I run NX groupset with HG+, considering upgrading to a GX groupset, but I run INdustry Nine Hydra Hubs, w/ 32H RaceFace ARC35 Offset rims with Cushcore + 27.5"rims with 2.8" tires. It may be cheaper to build your own. OR WAIT & get the FLX WEAPON X which is a very nice bike, much better specs all around, For nearly the same Price. Plus you get 1000watts with a lighter motor that replaces the m600. My Bike No weighs 52lbs. But it is nearly impossible to get a second Battery from LUNA, their QUANTA hubs suck, rims are pretty crappy as well. So unless you want to put another $1500 into the bike or you plan to only ride desert trails or AM. No hard riding then LUNA X2 V2 is ok. But the FLX Weapon X coming out in a Month is a way better bike for the money. With way more power. It is also adjustable so you can turn down the power like the LUNA X2 V2. Honestly If your price range is $4k-$5k their are a ton of better e-bikes out there for the money. I do regret buying my LUNA X2 V2 and I was lucky to get my with the NX setup, because they were out of SX parts. I have 900miles on my bike and never redlined it but have come close to doing so, & had to sit and wait for 30minutes while it cooled down. But if you don't get the ludicrous overheating isn't an issue. But if you don't plan to get ludicrous then buying a $4k-$5k bike that runs teh BOSCH motor is a much wiser buy. I learned the hard way. Wish I had spent a lot more and got a better bike.
how much is just the e55 frame with motor and monitor, can i take my giant trance x 29er parts and put on this frame?
If I'm not mistaken, the Giant Trance X uses a trunion rear shock. The E55 uses a metric eyelet rear shock. In addition, the Trance X uses a 150mm travel fork. The E55 needs atleast 160mm travel upfront. So it wouldn't be a simple 'swap over parts job'.
The E55 frameset and motor is about £1400 inclusive postage👍🏿
Hello Neeko. I am using E22 dengfu with M620 motor. Can I change to M510 to my E22 frame? I think have to use one kind of adapter (bracket). Where can I find it?
Hi there,
I have seen third party adapters which will allow you to use the M510 motor on any M620 frame. I've never used one. But in that circumstance, I suspect the wire harness and speed sensor would need to be swapped as well.
The adapters can be found on Ebay, Aliexpress or through a quick Google search👍🏿
@@neekodevinchi thank you neeko. I already search at aliexpress, alibaba and found a few but I am not very clear how that adapter works. It should be 3 braket nut for frame and 3 braket nut for motor. Most of it I notice only 3 hole. Thanks you for your reply. The reason I want to change to m510 is to make my emtb more lighter. Now 28 kg. Hard for me to cross fence, river and gate. Need 2 person helping me lift the emtb.
Hi, could please let me know if the wireless SRAM GX EAGLE AXS will work on the E55 ? Thank you
Hi there,
The original gx1 axs can be used on the E55, as it's not dependent on the sram udh. The new T-type axs unfortunately cannot be used on the E55. This is because the E55 doesn't use the sram udh.
Hope this answers your question👍🏿
@@neekodevinchi Perfect! Thank you so much. The original gx1 axs is good enough :)
Great job on the Dengfu bike question do you know if I can put a 230mm x 65mm shock on the Dengfu E22 it has a stroke of 60mm currently. Thank you 👍
Apologies for the delay Michael. The E22 cant be over-stroked in the same way as the E10.
Whilst myself and many others assumed that by running a 230x65 rear shock would give 163mm'ish of rear wheel travel, essentially you would only raise it to near 155mm'ish.
So in short, yes. You can use a 230x65mm shock. But the travel increase is minor. I run a 230x62.5 and it comfortably gives 150mm of travel.
Hope this helps 👍🏿
Could you comment on appropriate rear wheel and hubs that can accommodate 1000 watts without shredding?
Would seem that you only want steel hubs, cassettes and derailleurs but who makes them besides DT Swiss and Hope?
A good question.
I'm running a steel freehub body on my WTB STI30s. I haven't experienced any issues so far (although, I'm not running the M620 at 30amps). But I am liaising with someone who is on the verge of experimenting with the new WTB ebike specific wheelset. Be sure to keep a watchful eye on the E22 Frame thread. Naturally, I'll spread the word when my friend publishes his findings👍🏿
Hello Neeko. Alex here from Germany. I have a Problem with my Dengfu E10 with the bafang m600 . The Display Shows Error31 so and does Not run any more. If I replace the Torque Sensor, I need to calibrate the Motor with the besst Tool, or do you have a better solution? How do I get an Access for the best Tool Software? Can you Support me? Best regards
Sincere apologues for the delay Alex. you are in luck. I have recently liaised with a licenced Bafang distributor/Service Centre based in Germany called 'Royal Bike Parts'. They offer repair, service and stock Bafang motors and equipment. Please feel free to head over to the Dengfu Facebook Community Group, where I can introduce you to the Owner. Alternately, you can reach them at, sales@royalbikeparts.com
failing this, please do not hesitate to get back in touch 👍🏿
Hold up, so do Bafang motors have warranty now? Please look into this Neeko 👍🏾
I'm looking into it dude. Believe me!!
I'll spread the word and share my findings 👍🏿
hey
im searching the internet to find out if its possible to change assist parameters with m600 using any of the new displays with BT and bafang go+ . so far no really reliable info ... maybe you know ???
Thanks for your comment.
Your in luck, my next upload will answer that very question. So keep a watchful eye👍🏿
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How did you put the 216x62.5MM onto the E10 bike? Is it safe to do if your riding hard, i.e Downhill/Enduro/FR style? Where did you get the yoke to get the extra travel?
Hi Chris, I don't use a 216x63mm rear shock (although, I've seen others who have). Instead, I run a 210x60mm rockshox monarch plus rc3 rear shock (Trek proprietary for the Trek Slash 2014). This gives me 163.5mm of rear travel. Whilst it does void the warranty as the rear triangle can now move further than Dengfu had initially designed, I have yet to who cracked or damaged the frame after multiple 6-7foot huck-to-flats. The seat tube has not made contact with the bridge after full bottom out. But again, running the shock I'm using technically voids the frame warranty.
The 210x60 shock allows me to retain the same geometry, similar to a 210x55. The shock is essentially a metric rear shock with a longer stroke, meaning that it installs into the existing yoke with the same eyelet bushes used for any Rockshox rear shock. I have overforked my E10v1 (180mm with 27.5 wheels or 170mm with 29). The 2° angle headset also aids in the handling and capabilities of the frame.
Hope this answers your question but if you need a visual reference, I took a picture of my E10v1 using the 210x60 👍🏿
@@neekodevinchiyes it does, but i have seen people running 216x63 but am having hard time finding the custom Yoke. How do you feel about going from 160mm fork to a 2023 zeb Ultimate 170mm or 180mm or 2023 Fox 38 Grip2. I want to put that 216x63 on my bike the MRP Hazard coil rearshock. Unless you have a better recommendation. Love your content, you kick ass. Thank you for everything. I also runn 27.5x 2.8inch wheelset. Ordering custom Onyx Classic hubs w/Raceface Arc35 offset HD rims. Right now LunaCycles X2 V2 is on sale for $3950. Watt wagons just released new M560 with archon controller(gives the power i run on my Luna Cycle x2 v2 ludicrous, without worry of overheating)
Are Dengfu releasing any new ebikes for 2023?
In short, yes.
Keep a watchful eye for upcoming content 👍🏿
how much does the e55 weigh??
It depends on the build of the E55. Mine weighs roughly 28kg with the 1040wh battery. It may increase in weight further, as I do plan on replacing certain components in due course (fork, shock, wheelset, tyres etc). Notwithstanding, the Bafang M630 which weighs more than the M620 but more powerful, will increase the weight even more👍🏿
What is considered the best grease for the M620?
Corn head grease is still recommended and optimised for the M620. Especially around the main reduction gear and subsequent secondary gears. The clutch requires a very thin layer of light non-viscuss grease. Suspension grease I find to be sufficient. But I'll elaborate on this, when I shoot my 'bafang motor service videos'.
Keep a watchful eye for upcoming content and thanks for your comment 👍🏿
Thanks as always! In the video I think you said "I know it's not the best grease" referring to Corn Head, so what do you consider to be the best?
Corn head grease isn't the best grease for the M600. It is still optimised for the M620. The reason why is due to the revolutions per the reduction gear vs viscosity and heat.
I'll go into detail about this in due course but Corn Head grease is still the best grease to use for the M620 👍🏿
Right on! Thanks for clarifying!
What about the grease for the outer seal that sits on top of the crankshaft bearing? I imagine that place needs to be greased in order for the seal to be more water tight.
I'm 6"1' and I don't know which size of e22 to pick. I want to pick L size but I'm afraid it's to big for me.
At 6foot 1inches, I would recommend the large frame E22. From my experience, its easier to shrink a bigger frame. Compared to lengthening a smaller frame.
I'm 6foot 3inches, and the bike fits me very well.
Be sure to check out the E22 frame thread on EMTB Forums (the first 2 pages 😅).
Hopefully this helps and thanks for your comment 👍🏿
@@neekodevinchi Thank you very much for precious info. I have also already checked the thread on the forums and it's been very informative to say the least 😉👍. Great channel!
GET THE LARGE with 29" rims and you will be fine
I am 5' 11" and I ride a Medium E-10. Had to change a lot with the cockpit to make it fit me right. I.E had to go to 60mm Stem, & run a 200mm Dropper post w/ travel adjust.
Now it fits me perfect. I wish I had gone with a large tbh.
Is there a dengfu e22 frame size suitable for 75in tall rider?
It too am 75inches (6foot 3inches). The large frame E22 (with 210 One Up dropper with a 50mm stem and rolling on 29er wheels is surprisingly big. The frame's silhouette and proportions (in terms of headtube height and seat tube height), are similar to other manufacturers XL's.
Truth be told, I have never felt cramped on the bike. But I do recognise that I did build my E22 from scratch as a pose to buying a complete build.
Hope this helps and thanks for your comment 👍🏿