Comparing Persona and Stand Design Philosophies
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- Опубліковано 19 чер 2022
- Throughout the years many comparisons have been drawn between Stands and Personas, both conceptually and visually. But what exactly sets apart the design of Stands from Personas? Are there any guidelines to follow when creating one of these spectral pals for yourself? Those questions possibly answered in this video.
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I think the difference in Stand and Persona design to me is “A Stand’s design might focus more to its ability, whereas a Persona’s design might focus more on its inspirations.” At least that’s my take
One thing about persona's designs is that it takes in the user's thought and belief, Persona 4 is the epitome of this. Soejima said in a interview that when he designed the P4 Personas he didn't rely on how the gods/characters traditionally looked in the myths. He think of how would a Japanese highschooler would think of when they hear the name of these characters. Izanagi is personification of masculinity and Jiraya is just what Yosuke thought is cool
One of the biggest points is that Araki needs to draw these stands individually every time they appear while personas in modern games just need to have concept art and official art, and then once the in-game model is created, it'll be ready to move how the game needs, so far more intricate designs can be created. Not that stands are less detailed, but looking at how varied one part of most personas' designs is compared to stands which flow relatively well with their own parts, it's easy to see the difference.
I can't believe they talk about Stands not usually wearing clothes. And Wonder of U wasn't even mention.
There's a funny meme that I can't find right now where it shows Araki using his 'Pattented Stand Power Idea Creator' where he uses a random search on Wikipedia to find a random ability for a stand and I like that idea to bring creativity to the designs of stands as well
For me personally, I think of it like this: Stands look humanoid, while Personas look human. Like for most Personas you could feasibly strip away all the fluff and have a normal person, and while Stands look close to human, they're always off in some way
Well, I think the reason stands became more robotic is because it is meant to emphasize the fact that these are an alien force from a meteorite (In the Stardust Crusaders universe). The reason I feel the Personas became more human is because the modern persona games decided to use a central theme around the persona designs, in Persona 3 it's Greek Mythology, In Persona 4 it's Japanese Mythology and Persona 5 is Modern Fiction/Modern Mythology. If you look at Persona 3 and see "statues" it's because it was meant to be inspired by greek mythology, if you see Persona 4 and see Tokusatsu it's because Tokusatsu is a profoundly japanese thing, if you see Persona 5 and feel like they are very human it's because due to being modern therefore less mistified than old greek myth and japanese mythology/literature. I feel like Persona and JoJo are very much masterclasses in their own type of design, love both series and they are probably the coolest designs out there.
I think with persona it comes down to the theme of them. 3 being Greek alot of them look like statues or regal in appearance. 4 being Japanese they all based off of Japanese tropes or characters. 5 being famous thieves they all look sly or mysterious.
Speaking of making your own stand, I’ve made my own before. I named it 624, after ‘25 or 6 to 4’ by Chicago, and it was a colony stand that was a bunch of eyes, with beastial claws on the optic nerves. They could attach to someone, and make the person they attach to unable to regain any stamina. So, essentially, you could feel tired, go to sleep for 8 hours, and wake up not feeling any different.
I think the example of Star Platinum, Silver Chariot, and Magician’s Red is still closer to unifying than say Magician’s Red next to Hermit Purple next to Bastet.
Stand: Take a superpower. Now over-design something based on that.
To me, a stand seems like it could be a sentient alien, capable of consciousness. They also seem to be more abstract in a way.
The key difference I always found is Personas (at least party member and default protagonist ones) are pretty much universally humanoid with only really Futaba breaking this rule, meanwhile Stands can be everything from humanoid to a radio tower.
When designing fan stands, I lean more into the lyrics of the song itself and aesthetic elements from album and single covers. Killer Queen and Kira have lots of aspects of the lyrics
I feel like something else to keep in mind is the fact that stands, like the rest of Araki's design sensibilities, take a lot from high fashion. There's a kind of abstract, high-fashion-y look to stands that falls in line with the aesthetics of the series as a whole. Personas are designed moreso to look cool in a more conventional sense. Stands are cool in a more abstract, unconventional way.
The main thing that sticks out to me is that stands don’t need to be tied to people. The biggest example I can think of is the stand that is literally an electrical tower from part 4. They are of course usually tied to people, but in my mind it’s almost like spirits that choose users that align with the stand’s qualities (like both Jotaro and SP being buff as shot and stoic). Personas seem more like actual creatures, because you can acquire the shadows and use them as personas, almost like a Pokémon
I feel like comparing Persona and stand is like comparing Pokémon and Digimon.
Both Persona and Stand offer something different but similar to the table being that are manifestations of certain aspects of the user with Personas being that of the archetypal representation of one's soul while while stands are the pure representation of one's willpower giving way to equally interesting and unique designs. As a huge fan of JoJo and Persona I'm glad more people are looking at both sides with equal respect as opposed to saying one is better than the other.
I've always seen Hey Ya! as the alternate version of Cheap Trick. Their abilities are identical if you ignore CT's murdering it's host, and that is pretty easily explained by it's original user being a weak person.
An interesting thing I want to bring to light with a the persona design philosophy is that you can make a distinction between historical figure and literary/ mythological figure. For example, Mitsuru’s initial and ultimate Personas, Penthesilia has a very exaggerated knight aesthetic while Artemisia is just a human in a blue dress with her armor mask and weapon being the only exaggerated parts of her design. This is a pretty obvious detail once you notice it and it helps you learn about who the persona is based on because the more more exaggerated and wild design you can tell it’s a literary/ mythical figure and the “human”* (in big air quotes just look at Captain Kid) the more likely it will be a historical figure.