Diluc's family is wild af. Crepus is a Harbringer (possibility), his mother is a witch (also possibility) and his adopted brother, Kaeya is a Khan'reah Noble descendant.
I highly doubt his mother is one of the witches. I've heard others say it will be alice, but that's even too far fetch. I believe his mother is just an ordinary person, to which hyoyo doesn't want to discuss.
@@Daily_Dose_of_GrassShe might be a witch, but probably not Alice. Or Alice has some deeper connection to the winery, since the pottery on the witch table resemble the patterns in the winery and on Dilucs clothes.
If you look up Brighella, there's a rather interesting quote from wikipedia: "...he often was portrayed as a member of the middle class such as a tavern owner."
I don't think crepus is middle class considering Diluc is extremely rich and the fact Dawn winery is a mansion he's most likely upper class that and the fact I think but i could be wrong that the Ragnvidr family are probably seen as the unofficial official royalty if Mondstadt but then again somethings will most likely be changed for the lore of genshin plus that detail probably ain't important
I hope Diluc comes back into the story, there's so much around his character, being an enemy to both major villains, and the potential connection the hexenzirkel. He was also attacked by the Harbingers, and I'm surprised none of them say anything about him
@@GoldfishOfDoom the theory comes from the hexen 3.5 event. We saw the same teapot in the diluc's house present in the hexen table.Well, that teapot might belongs to alice herself but you can just watch ashikai video about it
Most characters that lorewise have a deep hatred or hunt for Fatui have these as Materials. Rosaria and Wryo are perfect examples. Diluc destroyed several Fatui camps from Mondstadt to the frontiers of Snezhnaya using the Delusion, and even fought some Harbingers.
@@blueveil3277 diluc hunted the abyss order not the fatui. the abyss order was the one who tricked his dad into buying a fake delusion... its more likely that diluc is the missing harbinger, since his delusion is not fake
@@blueveil3277He didn't actually fight any Harbinger directly.... he's not that foolish. He demolished their camps and escaped when Harbingers appeared. It is said that he "survived" the Harbingers multiple times....I think it's mostly related to escaping them
One thing some people seem to forget is that you dont necessarily have to be the most powerful fighter to join the Harbingers. After all, Pantalone is a rich businessman and owner of a bank and Pulcinella is the major and therefore presumably a high ranking politician. Crepus is a member of a rich and prestigious clan and owner of a winery. The wine industry is one of the most important exports from Mondstadt, presumably already before Diluc took over. So Crepus would have been an important business man with connections to the important people of Mondstadt. He would have been a great asset to have for the Fatui, especially because they wanted to exert more influence on other nations
The fatui harbinger ranking is based on strength, not knowlege, skills or status. We know that Childe is the 11th harbinger and at the same time he is the weakest, so the other harbingers must be stronger then him. Also Nahida sais that the top 3 harbingers (Pierro, Dottore, Columbina) has god-like powers. But you are right! You don't have to be a good fighter in order to join the fatui. Afterall we fight fatui members and agens every day and win.
@MasterMan445 we don't actually know if it's only based on physical strength. Not all of the Fatui Harbingers are fighters after all. Pulcinella is only ever described as the mayor, someone with a hidden motive in inducting Tartaglia and someone who apparently rarely leaves the homeland. If it were ranked on pure strength, then it would suggest this guy is stronger than Scaramouche and Signora. From what we know about him, that isn't the case. Pantalone is a business man and in charge of the economy. He sends out people to conduct business deals for him. Nothing about him points towards him being a fighter or physically more powerful than Tartaglia. This would also suggest that Arlecchino is stronger than Scaramouche as well. Nothing so far has indicated that. We don't yet know if she is an extremly strong fighter or if maybe she got 4th because she is the head of the House of the Hearth, the training ground for future soldiers and the spy network. Columbina and Dottore are heavily suggested to be exttemly strong, unlike the other Harbingers. So far we can't really say if they are ranked on physical strength or not, but from what we know of some of these characters, I would be very surprised if that was the only factor.
@@jenilein113 but we know that is ranked on strength and strength only. Nahida said that the top 3 harbingers have god-like powers (so they can beat anyone under them) and in Tartaglia's story quest Childe tells us that if you prove your strength then you can be one of the harbingers. Furthermore The Knave wasn't the head of the Hose of the Hearth until she become a harbinger. I wouldn't make sense to train fatui soliders if you are not stronger then them and you're not one of them. So she got the House of the Hearth from Pierro or someone else with the 4th rank as well. And it makes sense too, since the top 3 has god-like powers, so they has god-like jobs to do, so it's only natural that the moost powerful currently free harbinger trains the soldiers.
This would make a ton of sense. I also was very curious of the missing 10th harbringer. It would also make sense in this, because no one else in Mondstadt has a delusion except him. I wonder if Genshin Impact will ever touch on this lore?
theres only 1 fact that debunks that theory completely. the delusion he had was a fake one, that was given to him by an abyss mage.. if he was an harbinger he would have had a real delusion, like what diluc have
It wasn't a delusion for Diluc. It was his own vision who backfired like one because he was against his first ambition (the one to protect Mondstadt. He was just destroying every fatui back there for vengeance and not really protecting Mondstadt anymore so his vision acted like a delusion according to his profile)@@yukichan177
I can see Crepus leaving the Harbingers because of their Gnoses Hunt and maybe Dottore assassinated him because he knew too much about their plan. Also do you think now we can confirm that the Second Thrones won the war against the Heavenly Principles because Nuevillette calls the Priomodial One the "First Usurper" and taking in the fact that the Shades seem to have been exiled from Celestia.
Wei had a theory that there was no 'Second Thrones', the 2nd who came might have actually been Nibelung (the Dragon King) since Apep said he left Teyvat and gained abyssal powers. Apep never mentioned the 2nd Who Came when we talked to her in Nahida's 2nd quest even though it was a very important part in Teyvat history, that's the leading point for now.
"now imagine the look on Diluc's face when he learns his father was a fatui harbinger, and his mother a hexenzirkel witch"... dude sounds like an anime protagonist, my travel is beginning to sweat profusely.
Signora despite using a method not everyone in the Harbinger ranks agreed, after her death still get respected and even Pierro promised her that he will succeed and made sure her sacrifice is not in vain. Then we got Crepus thrown away like that presumably under everyone’s agreement in the Harbinger ranks since nobody mention him anymore nor respect him following his death. Well that is if he’s really the 10th Harbinger.
Hmm, if he is, we do have the Wanderer who can tell us about it since he's no longer loyal to the Fatui (well, he never really was loyal to the Fatui but you get my point)
It's a bit strange to me that the first 3 constellations make a nice placement order (right, left, right of the symbol) but then the rest is kind of random but then 11 at the bottom..
Maybe his adoption of Kaeya isn't even an accident on Crepus' side, maybe he was ordered from Pierro to take Kaeya in I doubt Kaeya's dad left him in an unknown land under a storm that could possibly kill the last hope of Khaenri'ah without a solid reason that ensured his safety.
Same thought bro, i honestly think that Wrio have some connection with Diluc in just by looking at his design, and his Lore too ofc. I wish he was one of the Underground Inteligence Network
I do like the constellation choices for all of them. Idk why im still hung up on Arlecchinos as I thought hers would be the hand of glory, but I think both work for both Crepus and Arlecchino
Along with his mother being a witch I was a bit skeptical about Crepus being a harbinger however it definitely explains a lot. If he only got it from someone then he technically shouldn't know how to use it so effectively, and he does have a possible motive to join the fatui. Maybe when he was a teen he tried to become a knight but much like Noelle is stuck being with the knights but not a knight, Crepus probably fell short. Being from a famous family that most likely fought a god and aided in a rebellion, he felt frustrated at his lack of ability and not being granted a vision so he sought other ways to gain power. But maybe taking power from gods wasn't something he wanted to do and went back to Mond to inherit the business. (Or learning the truth of the world made him walk away) Looking at the conversation between him and Diluc before Ursa attacked makes me wonder if he came to conclusion about himself in that moment, perhaps Diluc helped him out a lot more then he realizes. Which just makes the moment even more sad.
I kinda support this theory. Like how did Master Crepus managed to get a powerful Delusion? A Delusion that differs from others from Fatui agents. Judging by the looks of it, it seems that it wields with the power of Abyss.
Probably a family heirloom. Remember the cutscene in Venti's story quest? There's a red head guy there that wear's a red colored thing with the same shape of the Crepus delusion gem. That red head guy probably Diluc and Crepus ancestor. The Ragnavindr delusion probably is being inherited by each clan generation
It's cool to see an updated version of this theory. I definitely think it holds more weight now. There's just too many plot points regarding Diluc's family to ignore. Something that might be worth considering is looking at the role that Childe fills for the Harbingers. If I recall, the Stutterer archetype is viewed as a joke character; not someone who is meant to be taken seriously. For the Harbingers, I view Childe as effectively being their scapegoat. He's meant to do the ground work while the higher ranks actually move the pieces around proverbial chess board. Perhaps he was inducted as the 11th seat in order to fulfill the role left empty by the theorized, disgraced 10th seat? With regards to the constellations, Arlecchino having the crying mask instead can be justified. From I recall hearing and reading, the Harlequin and the Jester archetypes in the Comedia are viewed as a kind of counterpart. So if the rumors are true and she is playable we can get more confirmation by looking at her Constellation. Given the gem of the casing on her back has the Pyro symbol on it rather than the Fatui symbol, I'm more inclined to think she will be playable after all.
I definitely think this theory could be true. After all of your points that you pointed out it seems obvious. I really want to learn more about the mondstadt crew as a whole in the future. We still have so many unanswered questions.
Ashikai made a video about this theory a few months back and I'm excited to see someone else talk about it! I think that this is a very real possibility for being correct
I like how mondstadt was the first region at face value all the characters there are kinda shallow and plain with not as much deep lore. Now kaeya is getting built up, venti not having a story quest 2 (maybe we'll get it with the mondstadt explains), now we are theorising that diluc's dad maybe a harbinger, not to mention we still don't even know much of varka and the hexen circles. Mondstadt maybe a sleeper powerful region with alot of still alive and standing mythological creatures like dvalin and boreas. Waiting for mondstadt having a second wind in the expansion
If the Ursa thing was Dottore plans, maybe he was not intentionally trying to kill Crepus, but instead just testing something, and Crepus died in the process, which doesn't mean anything to Dottore, since he sees everything and everyone as if they're in his lab test zone, and never interfere in the results.
@@kim_genshin I was just wandering and leaving some info that someone could link to sonething concrete, wasn't my intention to build some thought. But, after i spent some time thinking, i got a conclusion, which alignes much more with your video than with my comment. That was Crepus mission, he was the one in charge to use Ursa to attack Mondstadt and defeat it, his ilusion was perfect for the job. But he refused, i don't know why, maybe because he now have a family. Dottore received Crepus previous mission and killed him.
I’d say that after crepus left the fatui he told Varka but Varka still couldn’t trust him as he was well part of an organisation which has caused thousands of deaths of innocents for there own motives he probably believed crepus might be lying or couldn’t risk it which is understandable. This theory is pretty good it has me hooked. Can’t wait for more!
@@kim_genshin Considering how Diluc means Dawn, and Crepus means Dusk, I want to believe that before Diluc took over the winery, it used to be called Dusk Winery. (There is also the fact that Dawn and Dusk are times of the day, and we know how important the subject of Time is. Plus, Twilight is before Dawn, and after Dusk … and we have Dainsleif who is called the Twilight Sword … these could all just be coincidences, but still an interesting thought to entertain.)
would you like to crack a theory into Sandrone's background? ppl thinks she's Mary-Ann but also *NOT Mary-Ann* because 1.she died inside Elynas but her body nowhere to be found, 2.little oceanid Ann in "Ann in Wonderland" WQ who claims to be Mary's persona but having amnesia about anything Mary-Ann related stuffs -also is Sandrone not the girl's name, but her robot companion's?. someone told me that point
I still like that theory that Sandrone is not the girl but the person inside that giant armor, and the girl is the actual puppet. This would make sense considering Mary Ann is kinda confirmed dead, so Sandrone could be one of Mary Ann’s brothers from the Institute who created a robotic copy of her to be his puppet.
@@asafin100 my theory is that there's no one inside the armor and that Sandrone is just a particularly intelligent and powerful ruin machine that Pierro made a harbinger and that the puppet girl was created by it to serve as its mouthpiece as it likely cannot vocalize, as well as to throw people off thinking the girl is the harbinger.
it all makes sense now I found it weird how Arlechino was revealed as the 4th we thought that Capitano is either 2nd(Before Il Detore's reveal) or 4th and Pierro as 1st but now we can confirm that Capitano is 1st and that we're missing a 10th(also know there was also a theory about this before but now it's confirmed)
I Love this theory but we must keep in mind that the habingers are more Like the counter Part of their role in the comedia del Arte. For Example Childe in the comedia is the oldest of them and in game he is the youngest of them all. And Arlecchino is a Guy in the comedia.
@@racool911 No pantalone is greedy but what I wanted to say is that not every harbinger is a Copy of their character in the comedia. Like I said some are the complete opposite.
I love this theory and can honestly see it being a good possibility. It makes waayy too much sense and there HAD to be a reason for the fatui to kill crepus and not diluc
Given to the fact that arlecchino’s constellation is the hand of glory that means that, if he was a memeber, his constellation was the drama mask, or the two faced constellation. That could still imply he betrayed the fatui
Arlecchino is the leader of the House of The Hearth, so the hand of glory fits her very well especially since the constellation really resembles her hand with the claws, and is holding a flame which could represent the Hearth.
@@kim_genshin arlecchino is the hand of glory because hoyoverse decided to make her the hand of glory, I’m not too sure why yet but we will see when the story progresses
@@kim_genshin Arlecchino is the only harbinger we’ve seen whose hands/forearms are significant focal points of her design. The hand of glory is a deformed, clawed hand holding a flame, like how Arlecchino’s blackened, clawed hands hold the House of the Hearth.
My previous theory about the 10th harbinger was that Capitano was the 10th, but thanks to some A-hole exposing me to "forbidden knowledge" about fatui ranks my new theory is that the 10th harbinger is from Natlan and as people from Natlan almost never leave unless it's by force, they simply are still in Natlan. The reason why they weren't mentioned in the Winter Night's Lazzo trailer like Scaramouche was, is because the 10th isn't AWOL like Scara was at that point in time. Even if Dottore knew where Scara was, it was clear Capitano (who was the one to ask) and the others didn't know where he was.
@@leonardomeloni69 Why would the fatui need to drag 10th out? If they're getting steady progress reports and they know where the 10th is, they'd have no reason to not let number 10 do what they please.
@@jasoncummings1970 multiple reasons actually 1) first and foremost you need to swear to the Tsaritsa to become a Harbinger, which implies leaving at least once and implies the others must therefore know about him/her Video conference? Lol 2) He may go rogue while pretending to serve the Fatui (Scaramouche even though Dottore knew about it as he was involved) so either they go and check on him every time or he has to go and report personally like everyone else, also to gain the colleagues' trust I dont think a 10th has all that power to get granted such s privilege of not informing personally. 3) If he actually existed, they would still talk about him in the voice lines
@@leonardomeloni69 for starters the voice lines for the others didn't add in until after the Winter Night's Lazzo, so for a harbinger they didn't introduced us to in that trailer, it would make sense to give us no voice lines about them yet. Second, Capitano is currently in Natlan, so I'm sure the 1st is keeping a good eye on our unknown 10th. Natlaners supposedly have bad things happen to them if they leave Natlan, (like Vanessa becoming a gladiator for the Lawrence Clan's amusement for example people also think Bennet was born in Natlan because of this), so perhaps something bad happened on the journey to swear loyalty so now the others don't try and get the 10th out of Natlan. Finally, some people like to speculate on things like this because they find it fun, in fact, if people didn't like to speculate, then this video we're commenting on wouldn't exist, so let people speculate on what they want to, half the fun of speculation is waiting to see how close you got it.
@@jasoncummings1970 it doesnt matter if the voicelines were added later, they would still talk about him just like they talk about Columbina and other harbingers not introduced in the story yet Vennessa* And yeah speculation is fun if it has a base that makes sense, not random assumptions as Bennett is unlucky because he is from Natlan (also he could have bad luck because he is from Natlan, not because he left Natlan. Correlation is not Causation) or the implication that Natlan people dont want to leave after being segregated there since they were born. Imagine if someone as powerful as a Harbinger wouldn't have loved to leave that place. And they have no way to know what happens to those who leave because if you go out you dont go back easily. Same reason why correspondence is highly unlikely unless you disturb a Harbinger every single time just to make him cross the Mare Jivari. If my speculation sucked I would like others to tell me the reasons why
I mean if you really consider for a minute crepus could have been to weak and joined the fatui out of resentment but then when he has a son he realized his mistake and quit
I'm also curious about the family name, Ragnvindr, because it is historic to Mondstadt so I feel like it would've been mentioned if someone from the Ragnvindr family decided to join the Fatui ranks unless one of two possibilities. 1: If we follow Brighella's character in the play, he is a great liar so that could be how Crepus hid his secret identity. 2: After coming to Mondstadt to create a new identity, Crepus took on the family name of his wife, but then we'd need an explanation for why Crepus and Varka are best friends. Or maybe not and I'm forgetting something completely different, so if you see any issues please comment!
Those exploring fontaine must have noticed a tower east of fontaine inaccessible as of 4.1 now, If Snezhnaya too has a tower somewhat like that, counting the 3 towers - fontaine one, snezhnaya one and mondstadt one(stormterror's tower), all three can possibly pinpoint towards celestia in centre, possibly a way to get into celestia after unlocking some kind of hidden mechanic still hidden in them, what do y'all think?
Great video but i wanted to point out that capitanos constellation might rather be the one in the north of the circle as its literally the sign he has on his helmet and on his shoulder wear but im not completeley sue
But thats the fatui symbol as a whole not a constellation for a harbinger. And all the harbingers wear the fatui symbol on their shoulders just like Capitano
Crepus did not start dawn winery, Dawn winery has been owned by the Ragnvindr "for several generations" (qoute from wiki page). The least believable part about the theory for me is the when and why Crepus supposedly became a Harbinger. In fact let me make a case for Diluc being a Fatui- if unknowingly (and not a Harbinger). I find it very hard to believe that several Harbingers pursuing him after laying waste to their bases all over Teyvat would let him live. Like leave him to die and not make sure he actually does. That's like super sloppy why would they do that? So, the secret organisation that picked him up after? The Fatui. pulling a scam on Diluc who is too delirious to tell at first and trusts them already later on. Besides, the organoisation is super sketchy already, I doubt the Fatui would allow them in Snezhnaya, not enough to pick up Diluc, whom, if they actually exists for ssure any Harbinger would have been aware of a party following them following Diluc. That one aside, I wonder what Pierro could have offered Crepus for joining, because he gave every Harbinger something in exchange for their loyalty, so I wonder what that could have been (and if it would have been enough to sway Crepus)
becuz he wasnt an harbinger... the delusion crepus had was fake and was given to him by the abyss order.. only that fact proves that he wasnt one of them... its more likely that diluc became an harbinger cuz they have a common enemy: abyss order
@@yukichan177 Diluc is no Harbinger, especially because he would be rank 12, under Tartaglia, because we know they don't rearrange upon death, so 10 is taken Also given he still hates the Fatui he would not volunterily and knowingly join them. May I suggest: Kaeya's dad is Harbinger 10 and his "gift" was Kaeya's safety
@@DarknightVoid okay yeah I can't really say much to that other than Herald was also already taken XD. I still don't think he's a Harbinger of the Fatui... would be the ultimate punch against him though, turn him into the traitor
Childe's voiceline doesn't have past tense in calling Pierro a Harbinger in CN, he just says Pierro is the first harbinger Childe saying Capitano is too high ranked to talk to him also doesn't confirm he's 1st, since we dont know if that distinction was a military ranking or harbinger ranking and we know Childe can have decent enough communication with rank 4 of the harbingers, so it doesn't seem like ranking within the harbingers affects their ability to communicate.
in Chinese, pronouns are not specified and this does not mean that this does not apply to the past, even if he did not directly say "was" the first harbinger is a broad concept that can denote the date of entry, not rank, otherwise it would have been said in Chinese "rank 1" and he also calls him not the "first harbinger" but the "original harbinger".Sit down
Childe's words have a high probability of referring to ranks, and he also admirss and respects the strong, and it is logical for him to respect the strongest most, and desire his attention.Such praise does not make sense for 10
ans Wanderer in chinese said tgat Capitano possesses the pinnacle/apex of strength, using same word for ranking criteria, so it would be logical for person with apex of criteria to be 1st
and all leaks, voiceline order says he 1st.Scara also said that Capitamo constantly praised by otgee fatui, has countless military achievments, extremely dangerous and fearless.And he not mention his lower rank and weak sides as with harbingers lower than him, so he can't be 10, he 1st.
I think brighella could even be the previous knave as he was portrayed as the shrewd servant Just my thoughts what if the hand of glory is actually arlecchino's since childe mentioned how she can turn her back towards them at any given time i feel like the mask with the tear on the left could be the zanni mask?
I really support this theory, i was getting curious of some of the details in diluc's outfit, but they were related to the fatui. Also, i wonder how did crepus get the delusion? It is in a heirloom?
idk if someone could really be a missing Fatui Harbinger they would've been on Signora's funeral. If even Pierro or the strongest out of all of them attended the funeral, there shouldn't be a reason for the missing Fatui not to attend. Also, if you guys mention Scaramouche not being able to attend, at least we and the Harbingers were informed about his whereabouts unlike this so called missing Fatui who wasn't even mentioned in "The Winter Nights Lazzo"
11 Fatui harbingers - 11 disciples of Christ Crepus - Judas Iscariot Somehow, this Gnostic themed game is not Christian friendly accusing God as the villian and Lucifer as the hero. We're getting deeper there.
This theory makes so much sense! 😮 Although right now hand of glory was confirmed to be Arlecchino's constellation, so I wonder how does it change the whole picture in regards of that 🤔 Would that make the masks his constellation with a different meaning? I think I can see that working if we dig deeper into it 🤔
if i remember correctly, there's this villain who was part ofthe knights and was probably just dottore infiltrating them. maybe that was a segment who happened to find out that crepus tried to join the knights or told varka he's a harbinger
I disagree, a lot of this theory only works under the assumption that Crepus is already the 10th harbinger rather than proving he could be. Arlecchino's constellation could still be the hand of glory. Her hands resemble it, and the candle could symbolize the House of the Hearth. Meanwhile, the tragedy mask could refer to any one who's ever put on an act, most notably one of tragedy. She also possesses a pyro vision/delusion. This point isn't to counter your argument, but I don't think we should treat unconfirmed speculation as inarguable facts. We don't know where Crepus' delusion came from, but we do know its power specifically resembles that of the god's possessing Collei's body, that all delusions are made using the remains of dead gods, and that Dottores were involved in both Collei's experimentation as well as the creation and production of delusions. For Crepus' specifically, Dottore remarks that it "piques his interest" and compares it to his own "wondrous mind", suggesting that another Dottore could have personally worked on it. It's possible that the research gathered from Collei's experimentation was also applied towards delusions in order to create more powerful ones, which could explain why their powers resemble one another and why Crepus' delusion is unique even amongst the harbingers' delusions. I wouldn't assume that Crepus was recruited into the Fatui just so he could get a delusion, one which he also specifically got for Diluc. He even says, "I guess you won't need this anymore..." as he holds the delusion during the carriage ride home. He's clearly talking about Diluc. As evidenced by Watatsumi's soldiers and the delusion factory, the Fatui are more than willing to mass produce and distribute delusions if it favors their cause and they will do so without having to recruit anyone into their own ranks. While it's true that delusions will always have backlash, it'd be stupid on behalf of the harbingers/tsaritsa to give Crepus a delusion knowing he wouldn't be able to handle its cost just so he could be the 10th harbinger. Crepus lost his life within less than half a day of battle, he is comparable to Teppei in that regard. He couldn't be the 10th harbinger if the only way he could fight (not beat) Childe is by disintegrating himself trying, and the harbingers are canonically ranked in order of their combat strength. Since Diluc is the youngest cavalry captain of the knights and acquired his vision before that, it can be inferred that Crepus has had the delusion for a good couple of years. He could have been practicing with it in the mean time, as he also wished he could have been blessed with a vision, explaining how he is adept at using it. He could have been out and about doing missions for the Fatui too, but I don't see how he would have been able to do so without anyone else figuring him out. He was a very well known and well liked figure in Mondstadt, and a busy one. Someone would have approached him if he were seen, anyone could have witnessed whatever he was doing. We know from the many other popular figures of Mond (Barbara, Noelle, Jean, etc.) that a not-insignificant number of Mondstadtians aren't sensitive enough to consider whether these figures would want to be alone and would approach them regardless. News of Crepus "finally getting a vision" or "wielding a dark and mysterious power" would have spread like wildfire, just like it did with the Darknight Hero. If his assignments were much more subtle in nature, not requiring the use of a delusion, then why did he have one and why would that of all things make him a harbinger? He was well-connected, but there's a plethora of Fatui operatives ranging from other harbingers to HotH agents to lesser fatui who could have done the exact same jobs. Crepus also doesn't appear to have a motive to join the Fatui. He wanted to be a knight but couldn't become one, yet he still appeared to have a good relationship with them. He was good friends with Varka, knights frequented Angel's Share, and his wish for his son was for Diluc to become Mond's most esteemed knight and safeguard Mond. He did not appear to resent the knights, nor was he ever mentioned or shown to have positive feelings about the Fatui. Instead, it's implied throughout the game that Crepus' wish was much more intense than first shown, as Diluc obtaining his vision was what "finally, [Diluc] could make his father proud" and Diluc's skin mentions that Crepus' expectations of Diluc bled into "every little detail of [their] life". None of this means that Crepus couldn't have joined the Fatui, or later defected from it, but that doesn't mean he was a harbinger either. I'd also like you to clarify this in your theory: When did Crepus join the Fatui and become a Fatui harbinger? Children as young as Noelle (teen), Ellin (preteen to teen), and Diluc (10? to 14?) are capable of training and taking the knights exam, which Crepus notably did as well while "young". If Crepus were as young as them, how would he be a Fatui harbinger for Varka to deny him knighthood? If he were at least 18-20, like Childe, I could see it, but then when and where do his wife, family, and the wine industry come into play? There is, however, a motive for the Fatui to be connected with Crepus. As stated before, he was well-connected, well-liked, well-respected, wealthy, and influential. The Fatui have always tried to gain some form of influence within a nation before executing their plans. For Mond, it was Dottore "slaying" Ursa the Drake as well as Pantalone buying out the Goth Hotel for the Fatui's indefinite use years later. These established a diplomatic tie and presence between Snezhnaya and Mondstadt that cannot be ended without major political backlash for Mond. If the Fatui couldn't get Crepus to ally with them, either as a Fatuus or economically, then they would be compromised and Crepus would need to be dealt with. We don't know why the Fatui decided to target him specifically, but it did hit two birds with one stone. Crepus died to the Fatui's convenience and Dottore scored diplomatic points. Diluc's ceremonial outfit is quite strange in how much it resembles Arlecchino's suit and bears many Fatui design motifs, but the mask is another altogether. It could have been something he picked up while traversing through Teyvat or stole from a different Fatui agent. This point in time is after Diluc has returned to Mond, but before our Traveler arrived, and we know that Diluc has fatui masks at the ready for disguise. I don't think there's much connection between Brighella and Crepus either. Their similarities in appearance are... really weak at best, and Brighella being a "tavern owner" is meant to fall under Brighella being a servant or middle-class, which Crepus certainly is not. Cyrus has a better chance of being Brighella than Crepus ever would, at least he wears white and green. /s I'm not denying that Crepus could have a connection to the Fatui, just that he's anyone that mattered to them. Really, the thing I find most suspicious about Crepus is that he went out of his way to get a fancy delusion instead of just buying a dead vision and seeing if Diluc or himself could awaken it. He certainly has the money to do so and likely the connections. Maybe he didn't know it was a delusion, maybe he didn't know what dead visions looked like, maybe he wanted to ensure that he or Diluc would be able to make use of it, but in the end he still died without fulfilling either of his dreams.
@@kim_genshin Pierro did say he have plans to revive signora so it makes sense to not fill up her seat, even if his plan fails, Pierro respects signora too much to have her seat filled by someone else. As for scara, canonically his seat was vacant ever since the creation of the fatui, this could be irmunsul being able to not clean scara from the history properly.
He has to be a harbinger, because how the heck he has a DELUSION. Also why at 4:24 the harbinger order changed, I thought it would be a globus crociger, but it's Regrator's symbol.
All Fatui members have a delusion, how do you think they would fight us otherwise, with Visions that are by, lore standards, rare? If they are not given to everyone how would an entire armada have Visions, and I think in the archives it says they have delusions but I'm too lazy to check that rn
Oh shit now knave and childe is going to betray if traveler make them redeems or in some ways dottore have some schem to harm them who knows i hope not If i remember the knave protect lyney from using delusions she know that dottore whould use that i do think that she doesn't need delusion but i don't know my only concern is childe
Personally I think Kaeya is the 10th harbinger whether or not he himself knows it, there’s no reason why the Fatui would kill one of their own harbingers
I dont think so because during his 3 year trip outside Mondstadt, and after he almost died to the Harbingers he " took a long hard look at his past and the anger he had harbored for so long" basically he had character developpement and let it slide
I have a theory that Diluc killed the old 11th fatui harbinger the one before childe because it will be real if there is a 11 member before childe and childe was just a replacement for him after he’s death and we know that Childe have missions everywhere in teyvat but the stronger harbinger doesn’t really appear much only if it was related to that nation and I will say that after Diluc committed much of killing sprays on fatui the cryo archon gave a mission to the 11th harbinger to kill Diluc and he failed to kill him and got killed and that’s why Snezhnaya hates monstadt now and try to get monstadt weaker and no Childe wasn’t the 11th fatui harbinger in that time he was still a teenager who train in the abyss
If even childe can't use his full delusion for more than 10 seconds without needing a long rest (his story quest), then using it for a full battle and fighting one of the most powerful monsters, who was centuries old AND HOLDING IT OFF would be enough to kill him. Remember that they had to send the second harbinger to deal with it.
Crepus was affected by the delusion but diluc has been using it for over 4 years and nothing happened to him so he might be immune somehow🤔 also thank you🙏
I believe Pierro could still be both the first AND leader of the Fatui Harbingers, being number 1 can still equal as being the strongest and therefor commanding all the other Harbingers that's why Childe as number 11 doesn't have authority over any of the other Harbingers who are all above him in ranking and the one who commands all the Harbingers including Pierro is Tsaritsa who's their director or more like co-director if Pierro's really also her right-hand, I honestly still don't really buy into the idea of Crepus having been a Harbinger too but I could always be mistaken. Edit: And if it's true, then wow Diluc sure has a badass family.
That would be impossible because all of the Harbinger's ranks were confirmed and the only unconfirmed one yet is Capitano but then there would be no way for him to be 10th when Childe himself said he's "ranked too low" for Capitano to notice him. Plus it wont make sense for Capitano to get the most praise if he's that low in rank. So it would only make sense for him to be the 1st Harbinger while Pierro is the leader of the Harbingers. So it's canon that the 10th Harbinger is indeed missing and unknown
well he is leader so he is no.0 no 1 captiano can't be 10 as if he is 10th then childe should know obviously and won't say he is way far up too notice me i believe this is true and unless they add another harbinger which will be unecessary crepus can be the ex-10th harbinger who prbly left
Can't believe it's still debate.Voiceline order fits ranks,Pierro rank was never confimed for a reason, he only called original and founder in cn.Capitano is 1st and strongest l, Tartaglia said he many seats behind in cn so he can't be 10,and he praised by everyone and everywhere.Even scara in cn says that Capitano possesses the apex of strength, has countless military achievements and extremely dangerous, even other fatui constanlty praise him and Tartaglia admires him most
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Diluc's family is wild af. Crepus is a Harbringer (possibility), his mother is a witch (also possibility) and his adopted brother, Kaeya is a Khan'reah Noble descendant.
I highly doubt his mother is one of the witches. I've heard others say it will be alice, but that's even too far fetch. I believe his mother is just an ordinary person, to which hyoyo doesn't want to discuss.
@@Daily_Dose_of_GrassShe might be a witch, but probably not Alice.
Or Alice has some deeper connection to the winery, since the pottery on the witch table resemble the patterns in the winery and on Dilucs clothes.
and his adopted mother is also a witch
Not just noble descendant, he is descendant of the fucking Abyss Order founder uuuhh...
@@hadeness789poor kaeya he just wants to live a normal life LMFAO 😭
If this is true, Diluc is going to have one existential crisis
one HELL of an existential crisis
He already had one after his dad's death. His vision backfired himself during the time he seek for vengeance.
If you look up Brighella, there's a rather interesting quote from wikipedia: "...he often was portrayed as a member of the middle class such as a tavern owner."
oh? 👀
What is this theory😢😢😢
I don't think crepus is middle class considering Diluc is extremely rich and the fact Dawn winery is a mansion he's most likely upper class that and the fact I think but i could be wrong that the Ragnvidr family are probably seen as the unofficial official royalty if Mondstadt but then again somethings will most likely be changed for the lore of genshin plus that detail probably ain't important
I hope Diluc comes back into the story, there's so much around his character, being an enemy to both major villains, and the potential connection the hexenzirkel. He was also attacked by the Harbingers, and I'm surprised none of them say anything about him
im pretty sure well come back to mondstat and its charcters in the future
Not to mention he's totally like MC for Mondstadt. And his background is the one of the most well written among all the other Mondstadt. characters
Sorry, idk much, but how is his possibly mother a hexenzirkel witch? thanks in advance! :)
@@GoldfishOfDoom the theory comes from the hexen 3.5 event. We saw the same teapot in the diluc's house present in the hexen table.Well, that teapot might belongs to alice herself but you can just watch ashikai video about it
There should still be an area to apear in mondstat the next de years, donan port or something, can't wait
Makes sense, given that Diluc's ascension materials are also Fatui related.
Most characters that lorewise have a deep hatred or hunt for Fatui have these as Materials.
Rosaria and Wryo are perfect examples.
Diluc destroyed several Fatui camps from Mondstadt to the frontiers of Snezhnaya using the Delusion, and even fought some Harbingers.
@@blueveil3277 diluc hunted the abyss order not the fatui. the abyss order was the one who tricked his dad into buying a fake delusion... its more likely that diluc is the missing harbinger, since his delusion is not fake
@@blueveil3277He didn't actually fight any Harbinger directly.... he's not that foolish. He demolished their camps and escaped when Harbingers appeared. It is said that he "survived" the Harbingers multiple times....I think it's mostly related to escaping them
That's just because he hunted them for years
@@ravishukla7493 makes more sense I guess.
You guys forgot that there is a weapon called "Harbinger of dawn". Probably the same thing as a Harbinger from Dawn Winery
Holy Shi.. 0-0 You are right
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omg!!!!
And diluc's c5 name is phoenix, harbringer of dawn)
Fatui Father, Witch Mother, Khaenrianh step brother, canibal maid... Man, Diluc's family surely is something else
Shes not a cannibal 😢😢
Not step brother but adoptive brother?
cannibal maid is not real
One thing some people seem to forget is that you dont necessarily have to be the most powerful fighter to join the Harbingers. After all, Pantalone is a rich businessman and owner of a bank and Pulcinella is the major and therefore presumably a high ranking politician. Crepus is a member of a rich and prestigious clan and owner of a winery. The wine industry is one of the most important exports from Mondstadt, presumably already before Diluc took over. So Crepus would have been an important business man with connections to the important people of Mondstadt. He would have been a great asset to have for the Fatui, especially because they wanted to exert more influence on other nations
It's anime bro, they all fight...
@@dot.237 im really confused how can pantalone with no vision can be stronger than childe who has a vision, delusion and abyssal powers?
The fatui harbinger ranking is based on strength, not knowlege, skills or status. We know that Childe is the 11th harbinger and at the same time he is the weakest, so the other harbingers must be stronger then him. Also Nahida sais that the top 3 harbingers (Pierro, Dottore, Columbina) has god-like powers.
But you are right! You don't have to be a good fighter in order to join the fatui. Afterall we fight fatui members and agens every day and win.
@MasterMan445 we don't actually know if it's only based on physical strength. Not all of the Fatui Harbingers are fighters after all. Pulcinella is only ever described as the mayor, someone with a hidden motive in inducting Tartaglia and someone who apparently rarely leaves the homeland. If it were ranked on pure strength, then it would suggest this guy is stronger than Scaramouche and Signora. From what we know about him, that isn't the case.
Pantalone is a business man and in charge of the economy. He sends out people to conduct business deals for him. Nothing about him points towards him being a fighter or physically more powerful than Tartaglia.
This would also suggest that Arlecchino is stronger than Scaramouche as well. Nothing so far has indicated that. We don't yet know if she is an extremly strong fighter or if maybe she got 4th because she is the head of the House of the Hearth, the training ground for future soldiers and the spy network.
Columbina and Dottore are heavily suggested to be exttemly strong, unlike the other Harbingers. So far we can't really say if they are ranked on physical strength or not, but from what we know of some of these characters, I would be very surprised if that was the only factor.
@@jenilein113 but we know that is ranked on strength and strength only. Nahida said that the top 3 harbingers have god-like powers (so they can beat anyone under them) and in Tartaglia's story quest Childe tells us that if you prove your strength then you can be one of the harbingers. Furthermore The Knave wasn't the head of the Hose of the Hearth until she become a harbinger. I wouldn't make sense to train fatui soliders if you are not stronger then them and you're not one of them. So she got the House of the Hearth from Pierro or someone else with the 4th rank as well. And it makes sense too, since the top 3 has god-like powers, so they has god-like jobs to do, so it's only natural that the moost powerful currently free harbinger trains the soldiers.
Definitely a theory that could become canon
I swear if it's true that would be crazy!
This would make a ton of sense. I also was very curious of the missing 10th harbringer.
It would also make sense in this, because no one else in Mondstadt has a delusion except him. I wonder if Genshin Impact will ever touch on this lore?
They diffenetly will,but i think only after natlan
theres only 1 fact that debunks that theory completely. the delusion he had was a fake one, that was given to him by an abyss mage.. if he was an harbinger he would have had a real delusion, like what diluc have
@@yukichan177deluc use his father's delusion deluc never have his own
It wasn't a delusion for Diluc. It was his own vision who backfired like one because he was against his first ambition (the one to protect Mondstadt. He was just destroying every fatui back there for vengeance and not really protecting Mondstadt anymore so his vision acted like a delusion according to his profile)@@yukichan177
I can see Crepus leaving the Harbingers because of their Gnoses Hunt and maybe Dottore assassinated him because he knew too much about their plan.
Also do you think now we can confirm that the Second Thrones won the war against the Heavenly Principles because Nuevillette calls the Priomodial One the "First Usurper" and taking in the fact that the Shades seem to have been exiled from Celestia.
I havent finished the fontaine story quests yet so i cant tell you my opinion for now😔
Wei had a theory that there was no 'Second Thrones', the 2nd who came might have actually been Nibelung (the Dragon King) since Apep said he left Teyvat and gained abyssal powers.
Apep never mentioned the 2nd Who Came when we talked to her in Nahida's 2nd quest even though it was a very important part in Teyvat history, that's the leading point for now.
The First Usurper was the first Hydro Archon; the dragons refer to the archons as Usurpers.
@raeoverhere923 The First Usurper was Phanes, the first hydro archon was Egeria, who existed after the Kingdom of Remuria fell.
"now imagine the look on Diluc's face when he learns his father was a fatui harbinger, and his mother a hexenzirkel witch"... dude sounds like an anime protagonist, my travel is beginning to sweat profusely.
Signora despite using a method not everyone in the Harbinger ranks agreed, after her death still get respected and even Pierro promised her that he will succeed and made sure her sacrifice is not in vain. Then we got Crepus thrown away like that presumably under everyone’s agreement in the Harbinger ranks since nobody mention him anymore nor respect him following his death. Well that is if he’s really the 10th Harbinger.
I wonder if it has anything to do with him being connected to kaya's dad, who is connected to the abyss because they were from k'hanreia
Hmm, if he is, we do have the Wanderer who can tell us about it since he's no longer loyal to the Fatui (well, he never really was loyal to the Fatui but you get my point)
@@katcrow or could be their family's connection to the Hexenzirkel
@@BadassHatdog or maybe all of the above? 👀 The Hexenzirkel is very interesting so that would be very cool
Bro Diluc's burst is Harbinger of Dawn 😮
It's a bit strange to me that the first 3 constellations make a nice placement order (right, left, right of the symbol) but then the rest is kind of random but then 11 at the bottom..
Son of a harbinger, a witch and become the older brother to the a survivor (possibly prince) of Khaenri'ah.
No wonder Diluc is the way he is...
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Maybe his adoption of Kaeya isn't even an accident on Crepus' side, maybe he was ordered from Pierro to take Kaeya in I doubt Kaeya's dad left him in an unknown land under a storm that could possibly kill the last hope of Khaenri'ah without a solid reason that ensured his safety.
the betrayal might be related to how crepus treated kaeya too
Watch Diluc, Kaeya, Venti and Dvalin have a cameo in Fontaine or something (crazy idea). Plus Wrio could be part of Diluc's underground network.
Same thought bro, i honestly think that Wrio have some connection with Diluc in just by looking at his design, and his Lore too ofc.
I wish he was one of the Underground Inteligence Network
I sense a Diluc story quest act 2
I'm begging and will pay for this to be true ASAP
I do like the constellation choices for all of them. Idk why im still hung up on Arlecchinos as I thought hers would be the hand of glory, but I think both work for both Crepus and Arlecchino
Idk, I thought it made sense too. Probably because it fits her Aesthetic more than the other harbingers imo
Along with his mother being a witch I was a bit skeptical about Crepus being a harbinger however it definitely explains a lot. If he only got it from someone then he technically shouldn't know how to use it so effectively, and he does have a possible motive to join the fatui. Maybe when he was a teen he tried to become a knight but much like Noelle is stuck being with the knights but not a knight, Crepus probably fell short.
Being from a famous family that most likely fought a god and aided in a rebellion, he felt frustrated at his lack of ability and not being granted a vision so he sought other ways to gain power. But maybe taking power from gods wasn't something he wanted to do and went back to Mond to inherit the business. (Or learning the truth of the world made him walk away)
Looking at the conversation between him and Diluc before Ursa attacked makes me wonder if he came to conclusion about himself in that moment, perhaps Diluc helped him out a lot more then he realizes. Which just makes the moment even more sad.
I kinda support this theory. Like how did Master Crepus managed to get a powerful Delusion?
A Delusion that differs from others from Fatui agents. Judging by the looks of it, it seems that it wields with the power of Abyss.
Probably a family heirloom. Remember the cutscene in Venti's story quest? There's a red head guy there that wear's a red colored thing with the same shape of the Crepus delusion gem. That red head guy probably Diluc and Crepus ancestor. The Ragnavindr delusion probably is being inherited by each clan generation
It's cool to see an updated version of this theory. I definitely think it holds more weight now. There's just too many plot points regarding Diluc's family to ignore.
Something that might be worth considering is looking at the role that Childe fills for the Harbingers. If I recall, the Stutterer archetype is viewed as a joke character; not someone who is meant to be taken seriously. For the Harbingers, I view Childe as effectively being their scapegoat. He's meant to do the ground work while the higher ranks actually move the pieces around proverbial chess board. Perhaps he was inducted as the 11th seat in order to fulfill the role left empty by the theorized, disgraced 10th seat?
With regards to the constellations, Arlecchino having the crying mask instead can be justified. From I recall hearing and reading, the Harlequin and the Jester archetypes in the Comedia are viewed as a kind of counterpart. So if the rumors are true and she is playable we can get more confirmation by looking at her Constellation. Given the gem of the casing on her back has the Pyro symbol on it rather than the Fatui symbol, I'm more inclined to think she will be playable after all.
"hand of glory" also sometimes connected to being a punishment fo ra traitor
I definitely think this theory could be true. After all of your points that you pointed out it seems obvious. I really want to learn more about the mondstadt crew as a whole in the future. We still have so many unanswered questions.
there's a ton of lore that didn't explained from character in mondstadt. Can't wait to see it in the future
this... is actually a solid theory
Ashikai made a video about this theory a few months back and I'm excited to see someone else talk about it! I think that this is a very real possibility for being correct
Yeah i took some inspiration from her video and i added some of my own thoughts and proofs😙
@@kim_genshin I'm just excited to see another theory video about it :)
I like how mondstadt was the first region at face value all the characters there are kinda shallow and plain with not as much deep lore. Now kaeya is getting built up, venti not having a story quest 2 (maybe we'll get it with the mondstadt explains), now we are theorising that diluc's dad maybe a harbinger, not to mention we still don't even know much of varka and the hexen circles. Mondstadt maybe a sleeper powerful region with alot of still alive and standing mythological creatures like dvalin and boreas. Waiting for mondstadt having a second wind in the expansion
We know Diluc has a lot of connections so wouldn't it make sense that Crepus did too?
Harbinger + witch = Batman
If the Ursa thing was Dottore plans, maybe he was not intentionally trying to kill Crepus, but instead just testing something, and Crepus died in the process, which doesn't mean anything to Dottore, since he sees everything and everyone as if they're in his lab test zone, and never interfere in the results.
Why would that fatui guy attach that bird device on the wagon that crepus was using tho?
@@kim_genshin i have no idea haha who knows
@@kim_genshin I was just wandering and leaving some info that someone could link to sonething concrete, wasn't my intention to build some thought. But, after i spent some time thinking, i got a conclusion, which alignes much more with your video than with my comment.
That was Crepus mission, he was the one in charge to use Ursa to attack Mondstadt and defeat it, his ilusion was perfect for the job. But he refused, i don't know why, maybe because he now have a family. Dottore received Crepus previous mission and killed him.
I’d say that after crepus left the fatui he told Varka but Varka still couldn’t trust him as he was well part of an organisation which has caused thousands of deaths of innocents for there own motives he probably believed crepus might be lying or couldn’t risk it which is understandable. This theory is pretty good it has me hooked. Can’t wait for more!
and also Diluc's 5th constellation is the Harbinger of Dawn
I wonder if the Devs are teasing at this possibility as well, considering that there is a 3* Sword called “Harbinger of Dawn”
Yeah and "dawn" is heavily connected to the Ragnvindr family
@@kim_genshin Considering how Diluc means Dawn, and Crepus means Dusk, I want to believe that before Diluc took over the winery, it used to be called Dusk Winery.
(There is also the fact that Dawn and Dusk are times of the day, and we know how important the subject of Time is. Plus, Twilight is before Dawn, and after Dusk … and we have Dainsleif who is called the Twilight Sword … these could all just be coincidences, but still an interesting thought to entertain.)
Arlecchino has the hand of glory, so what's left is the theatre mask signifying crepus betrayal?
would you like to crack a theory into Sandrone's background?
ppl thinks she's Mary-Ann but also *NOT Mary-Ann* because 1.she died inside Elynas but her body nowhere to be found, 2.little oceanid Ann in "Ann in Wonderland" WQ who claims to be Mary's persona but having amnesia about anything Mary-Ann related stuffs
-also is Sandrone not the girl's name, but her robot companion's?. someone told me that point
marry an is a little oceanid doesnt she, it would be interesting if allain could just split mary ann consciousness
I havent done that quest yet
I still like that theory that Sandrone is not the girl but the person inside that giant armor, and the girl is the actual puppet. This would make sense considering Mary Ann is kinda confirmed dead, so Sandrone could be one of Mary Ann’s brothers from the Institute who created a robotic copy of her to be his puppet.
@@asafin100 I also think the girl is actually the puppet
@@asafin100 my theory is that there's no one inside the armor and that Sandrone is just a particularly intelligent and powerful ruin machine that Pierro made a harbinger and that the puppet girl was created by it to serve as its mouthpiece as it likely cannot vocalize, as well as to throw people off thinking the girl is the harbinger.
it all makes sense now I found it weird how Arlechino was revealed as the 4th we thought that Capitano is either 2nd(Before Il Detore's reveal) or 4th and Pierro as 1st but now we can confirm that Capitano is 1st and that we're missing a 10th(also know there was also a theory about this before but now it's confirmed)
I thought the hand of glory would be Arlecchino. Because her hairband shape on the back totally looks like the hand of glory
You're right!!! Leaks are out and it shows Arlechinno's constellation is the hand of glory!
WHY IT MAKE SENSE?? my poor diluc
The Harbinger, The Witch, and the audacity of this-
This actually makes so much sense
I Love this theory but we must keep in mind that the habingers are more Like the counter Part of their role in the comedia del Arte. For Example Childe in the comedia is the oldest of them and in game he is the youngest of them all. And Arlecchino is a Guy in the comedia.
arlecchino is also called "father"😊
@@toothlesshewhoreignsoverdr1190 yeah that because the "Leader" from the House of hearth is called father, Not because she is Male
@@tss_erenyeager9855 no shit sherlock
So Pantalone is actually not greedy?
@@racool911 No pantalone is greedy but what I wanted to say is that not every harbinger is a Copy of their character in the comedia. Like I said some are the complete opposite.
This is actually one of the most believable theories I have seen so far
I love this theory and can honestly see it being a good possibility. It makes waayy too much sense and there HAD to be a reason for the fatui to kill crepus and not diluc
It’s funny how the script for the video is worded like an essay
I never thought about this but it actually makes a lot of sense
This is awesome! I had a few theories myself, and now its sorta confirmed, but not in cannon. Diluc should've figured it out by now.
Given to the fact that arlecchino’s constellation is the hand of glory that means that, if he was a memeber, his constellation was the drama mask, or the two faced constellation. That could still imply he betrayed the fatui
How is arlecchino the hand of glory? Crepus being it makes more sense, same as arlecchino being the theatre mask also makes the most sense
Arlecchino is the leader of the House of The Hearth, so the hand of glory fits her very well especially since the constellation really resembles her hand with the claws, and is holding a flame which could represent the Hearth.
@@kim_genshin arlecchino is the hand of glory because hoyoverse decided to make her the hand of glory, I’m not too sure why yet but we will see when the story progresses
@@Audentes_Fortuna_Iuvet when did hoyo make this decision
@@kim_genshin Arlecchino is the only harbinger we’ve seen whose hands/forearms are significant focal points of her design. The hand of glory is a deformed, clawed hand holding a flame, like how Arlecchino’s blackened, clawed hands hold the House of the Hearth.
My previous theory about the 10th harbinger was that Capitano was the 10th, but thanks to some A-hole exposing me to "forbidden knowledge" about fatui ranks my new theory is that the 10th harbinger is from Natlan and as people from Natlan almost never leave unless it's by force, they simply are still in Natlan. The reason why they weren't mentioned in the Winter Night's Lazzo trailer like Scaramouche was, is because the 10th isn't AWOL like Scara was at that point in time. Even if Dottore knew where Scara was, it was clear Capitano (who was the one to ask) and the others didn't know where he was.
Sure, as if the fatui wouldn't be able to drag him out of there or as if they would have a harbinger they cant communicate with
Dont be ridiculous
@@leonardomeloni69 Why would the fatui need to drag 10th out? If they're getting steady progress reports and they know where the 10th is, they'd have no reason to not let number 10 do what they please.
@@jasoncummings1970 multiple reasons actually
1) first and foremost you need to swear to the Tsaritsa to become a Harbinger, which implies leaving at least once and implies the others must therefore know about him/her
Video conference? Lol
2) He may go rogue while pretending to serve the Fatui (Scaramouche even though Dottore knew about it as he was involved) so either they go and check on him every time or he has to go and report personally like everyone else, also to gain the colleagues' trust
I dont think a 10th has all that power to get granted such s privilege of not informing personally.
3) If he actually existed, they would still talk about him in the voice lines
@@leonardomeloni69 for starters the voice lines for the others didn't add in until after the Winter Night's Lazzo, so for a harbinger they didn't introduced us to in that trailer, it would make sense to give us no voice lines about them yet.
Second, Capitano is currently in Natlan, so I'm sure the 1st is keeping a good eye on our unknown 10th.
Natlaners supposedly have bad things happen to them if they leave Natlan, (like Vanessa becoming a gladiator for the Lawrence Clan's amusement for example people also think Bennet was born in Natlan because of this), so perhaps something bad happened on the journey to swear loyalty so now the others don't try and get the 10th out of Natlan.
Finally, some people like to speculate on things like this because they find it fun, in fact, if people didn't like to speculate, then this video we're commenting on wouldn't exist, so let people speculate on what they want to, half the fun of speculation is waiting to see how close you got it.
@@jasoncummings1970 it doesnt matter if the voicelines were added later, they would still talk about him just like they talk about Columbina and other harbingers not introduced in the story yet
Vennessa*
And yeah speculation is fun if it has a base that makes sense, not random assumptions as Bennett is unlucky because he is from Natlan (also he could have bad luck because he is from Natlan, not because he left Natlan. Correlation is not Causation) or the implication that Natlan people dont want to leave after being segregated there since they were born. Imagine if someone as powerful as a Harbinger wouldn't have loved to leave that place. And they have no way to know what happens to those who leave because if you go out you dont go back easily. Same reason why correspondence is highly unlikely unless you disturb a Harbinger every single time just to make him cross the Mare Jivari.
If my speculation sucked I would like others to tell me the reasons why
I mean if you really consider for a minute crepus could have been to weak and joined the fatui out of resentment but then when he has a son he realized his mistake and quit
In Diluc's cutscene bro just fall from the sky to punch some bitches 💀
Bro can reach celestia with that jump
Thanks for the video! It's so intriguing!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I'm also curious about the family name, Ragnvindr, because it is historic to Mondstadt so I feel like it would've been mentioned if someone from the Ragnvindr family decided to join the Fatui ranks unless one of two possibilities.
1: If we follow Brighella's character in the play, he is a great liar so that could be how Crepus hid his secret identity.
2: After coming to Mondstadt to create a new identity, Crepus took on the family name of his wife, but then we'd need an explanation for why Crepus and Varka are best friends.
Or maybe not and I'm forgetting something completely different, so if you see any issues please comment!
Those exploring fontaine must have noticed a tower east of fontaine inaccessible as of 4.1 now, If Snezhnaya too has a tower somewhat like that, counting the 3 towers - fontaine one, snezhnaya one and mondstadt one(stormterror's tower), all three can possibly pinpoint towards celestia in centre, possibly a way to get into celestia after unlocking some kind of hidden mechanic still hidden in them, what do y'all think?
Great video but i wanted to point out that capitanos constellation might rather be the one in the north of the circle as its literally the sign he has on his helmet and on his shoulder wear but im not completeley sue
But thats the fatui symbol as a whole not a constellation for a harbinger. And all the harbingers wear the fatui symbol on their shoulders just like Capitano
Crepus did not start dawn winery, Dawn winery has been owned by the Ragnvindr "for several generations" (qoute from wiki page).
The least believable part about the theory for me is the when and why Crepus supposedly became a Harbinger.
In fact let me make a case for Diluc being a Fatui- if unknowingly (and not a Harbinger). I find it very hard to believe that several Harbingers pursuing him after laying waste to their bases all over Teyvat would let him live. Like leave him to die and not make sure he actually does. That's like super sloppy why would they do that? So, the secret organisation that picked him up after? The Fatui. pulling a scam on Diluc who is too delirious to tell at first and trusts them already later on. Besides, the organoisation is super sketchy already, I doubt the Fatui would allow them in Snezhnaya, not enough to pick up Diluc, whom, if they actually exists for ssure any Harbinger would have been aware of a party following them following Diluc.
That one aside, I wonder what Pierro could have offered Crepus for joining, because he gave every Harbinger something in exchange for their loyalty, so I wonder what that could have been (and if it would have been enough to sway Crepus)
becuz he wasnt an harbinger... the delusion crepus had was fake and was given to him by the abyss order.. only that fact proves that he wasnt one of them... its more likely that diluc became an harbinger cuz they have a common enemy: abyss order
@@yukichan177 Diluc is no Harbinger, especially because he would be rank 12, under Tartaglia, because we know they don't rearrange upon death, so 10 is taken
Also given he still hates the Fatui he would not volunterily and knowingly join them.
May I suggest: Kaeya's dad is Harbinger 10 and his "gift" was Kaeya's safety
@@meraniaodinien4126Diluc's 5th constellation is called Harbinger of Dawn
@@DarknightVoid okay yeah I can't really say much to that other than Herald was also already taken XD. I still don't think he's a Harbinger of the Fatui... would be the ultimate punch against him though, turn him into the traitor
Childe's voiceline doesn't have past tense in calling Pierro a Harbinger in CN, he just says Pierro is the first harbinger
Childe saying Capitano is too high ranked to talk to him also doesn't confirm he's 1st, since we dont know if that distinction was a military ranking or harbinger ranking
and we know Childe can have decent enough communication with rank 4 of the harbingers, so it doesn't seem like ranking within the harbingers affects their ability to communicate.
in Chinese, pronouns are not specified and this does not mean that this does not apply to the past, even if he did not directly say "was" the first harbinger is a broad concept that can denote the date of entry, not rank, otherwise it would have been said in Chinese "rank 1" and he also calls him not the "first harbinger" but the "original harbinger".Sit down
Childe's words have a high probability of referring to ranks, and he also admirss and respects the strong, and it is logical for him to respect the strongest most, and desire his attention.Such praise does not make sense for 10
ans Wanderer in chinese said tgat Capitano possesses the pinnacle/apex of strength, using same word for ranking criteria, so it would be logical for person with apex of criteria to be 1st
and all leaks, voiceline order says he 1st.Scara also said that Capitamo constantly praised by otgee fatui, has countless military achievments, extremely dangerous and fearless.And he not mention his lower rank and weak sides as with harbingers lower than him, so he can't be 10, he 1st.
why it's still an argument, lmao, obvious af that he is 1st.
I think brighella could even be the previous knave as he was portrayed as the shrewd servant
Just my thoughts what if the hand of glory is actually arlecchino's since childe mentioned how she can turn her back towards them at any given time i feel like the mask with the tear on the left could be the zanni mask?
Needs this theory to be somewhat accurate and be told by Capitano and Varka when we meet them in Natlan
I really support this theory, i was getting curious of some of the details in diluc's outfit, but they were related to the fatui. Also, i wonder how did crepus get the delusion? It is in a heirloom?
Shit, Capitano is secretly Jesus, OMG!
idk if someone could really be a missing Fatui Harbinger they would've been on Signora's funeral. If even Pierro or the strongest out of all of them attended the funeral, there shouldn't be a reason for the missing Fatui not to attend. Also, if you guys mention Scaramouche not being able to attend, at least we and the Harbingers were informed about his whereabouts unlike this so called missing Fatui who wasn't even mentioned in "The Winter Nights Lazzo"
7:34 i talked about why crepus who could be the 10th harbinger was never mentioned
arlecchino scold lyney suggestion to use delusion. Arlecchino know how delusion affects to human
dude...it all make sense now!
Your theory’s are great!❤
11 Fatui harbingers - 11 disciples of Christ
Crepus - Judas Iscariot
Somehow, this Gnostic themed game is not Christian friendly accusing God as the villian and Lucifer as the hero.
We're getting deeper there.
This theory makes so much sense! 😮 Although right now hand of glory was confirmed to be Arlecchino's constellation, so I wonder how does it change the whole picture in regards of that 🤔 Would that make the masks his constellation with a different meaning? I think I can see that working if we dig deeper into it 🤔
if i remember correctly, there's this villain who was part ofthe knights and was probably just dottore infiltrating them. maybe that was a segment who happened to find out that crepus tried to join the knights or told varka he's a harbinger
Eroch?
This one might be the closest theory to reality or else the reality itself
I disagree, a lot of this theory only works under the assumption that Crepus is already the 10th harbinger rather than proving he could be.
Arlecchino's constellation could still be the hand of glory. Her hands resemble it, and the candle could symbolize the House of the Hearth. Meanwhile, the tragedy mask could refer to any one who's ever put on an act, most notably one of tragedy. She also possesses a pyro vision/delusion. This point isn't to counter your argument, but I don't think we should treat unconfirmed speculation as inarguable facts.
We don't know where Crepus' delusion came from, but we do know its power specifically resembles that of the god's possessing Collei's body, that all delusions are made using the remains of dead gods, and that Dottores were involved in both Collei's experimentation as well as the creation and production of delusions. For Crepus' specifically, Dottore remarks that it "piques his interest" and compares it to his own "wondrous mind", suggesting that another Dottore could have personally worked on it. It's possible that the research gathered from Collei's experimentation was also applied towards delusions in order to create more powerful ones, which could explain why their powers resemble one another and why Crepus' delusion is unique even amongst the harbingers' delusions.
I wouldn't assume that Crepus was recruited into the Fatui just so he could get a delusion, one which he also specifically got for Diluc. He even says, "I guess you won't need this anymore..." as he holds the delusion during the carriage ride home. He's clearly talking about Diluc. As evidenced by Watatsumi's soldiers and the delusion factory, the Fatui are more than willing to mass produce and distribute delusions if it favors their cause and they will do so without having to recruit anyone into their own ranks.
While it's true that delusions will always have backlash, it'd be stupid on behalf of the harbingers/tsaritsa to give Crepus a delusion knowing he wouldn't be able to handle its cost just so he could be the 10th harbinger. Crepus lost his life within less than half a day of battle, he is comparable to Teppei in that regard. He couldn't be the 10th harbinger if the only way he could fight (not beat) Childe is by disintegrating himself trying, and the harbingers are canonically ranked in order of their combat strength.
Since Diluc is the youngest cavalry captain of the knights and acquired his vision before that, it can be inferred that Crepus has had the delusion for a good couple of years. He could have been practicing with it in the mean time, as he also wished he could have been blessed with a vision, explaining how he is adept at using it. He could have been out and about doing missions for the Fatui too, but I don't see how he would have been able to do so without anyone else figuring him out. He was a very well known and well liked figure in Mondstadt, and a busy one. Someone would have approached him if he were seen, anyone could have witnessed whatever he was doing. We know from the many other popular figures of Mond (Barbara, Noelle, Jean, etc.) that a not-insignificant number of Mondstadtians aren't sensitive enough to consider whether these figures would want to be alone and would approach them regardless. News of Crepus "finally getting a vision" or "wielding a dark and mysterious power" would have spread like wildfire, just like it did with the Darknight Hero. If his assignments were much more subtle in nature, not requiring the use of a delusion, then why did he have one and why would that of all things make him a harbinger? He was well-connected, but there's a plethora of Fatui operatives ranging from other harbingers to HotH agents to lesser fatui who could have done the exact same jobs.
Crepus also doesn't appear to have a motive to join the Fatui. He wanted to be a knight but couldn't become one, yet he still appeared to have a good relationship with them. He was good friends with Varka, knights frequented Angel's Share, and his wish for his son was for Diluc to become Mond's most esteemed knight and safeguard Mond. He did not appear to resent the knights, nor was he ever mentioned or shown to have positive feelings about the Fatui. Instead, it's implied throughout the game that Crepus' wish was much more intense than first shown, as Diluc obtaining his vision was what "finally, [Diluc] could make his father proud" and Diluc's skin mentions that Crepus' expectations of Diluc bled into "every little detail of [their] life". None of this means that Crepus couldn't have joined the Fatui, or later defected from it, but that doesn't mean he was a harbinger either.
I'd also like you to clarify this in your theory: When did Crepus join the Fatui and become a Fatui harbinger? Children as young as Noelle (teen), Ellin (preteen to teen), and Diluc (10? to 14?) are capable of training and taking the knights exam, which Crepus notably did as well while "young". If Crepus were as young as them, how would he be a Fatui harbinger for Varka to deny him knighthood? If he were at least 18-20, like Childe, I could see it, but then when and where do his wife, family, and the wine industry come into play?
There is, however, a motive for the Fatui to be connected with Crepus. As stated before, he was well-connected, well-liked, well-respected, wealthy, and influential. The Fatui have always tried to gain some form of influence within a nation before executing their plans. For Mond, it was Dottore "slaying" Ursa the Drake as well as Pantalone buying out the Goth Hotel for the Fatui's indefinite use years later. These established a diplomatic tie and presence between Snezhnaya and Mondstadt that cannot be ended without major political backlash for Mond. If the Fatui couldn't get Crepus to ally with them, either as a Fatuus or economically, then they would be compromised and Crepus would need to be dealt with. We don't know why the Fatui decided to target him specifically, but it did hit two birds with one stone. Crepus died to the Fatui's convenience and Dottore scored diplomatic points.
Diluc's ceremonial outfit is quite strange in how much it resembles Arlecchino's suit and bears many Fatui design motifs, but the mask is another altogether. It could have been something he picked up while traversing through Teyvat or stole from a different Fatui agent. This point in time is after Diluc has returned to Mond, but before our Traveler arrived, and we know that Diluc has fatui masks at the ready for disguise.
I don't think there's much connection between Brighella and Crepus either. Their similarities in appearance are... really weak at best, and Brighella being a "tavern owner" is meant to fall under Brighella being a servant or middle-class, which Crepus certainly is not. Cyrus has a better chance of being Brighella than Crepus ever would, at least he wears white and green. /s
I'm not denying that Crepus could have a connection to the Fatui, just that he's anyone that mattered to them. Really, the thing I find most suspicious about Crepus is that he went out of his way to get a fancy delusion instead of just buying a dead vision and seeing if Diluc or himself could awaken it. He certainly has the money to do so and likely the connections. Maybe he didn't know it was a delusion, maybe he didn't know what dead visions looked like, maybe he wanted to ensure that he or Diluc would be able to make use of it, but in the end he still died without fulfilling either of his dreams.
DID I PREDICT THE FUTURE?? I WROTE A SELF INSERT FANFIC LAST YEAR WHERE THE READER WAS FATUI AND THEIR FATUI NAME WAS BRIGHELLA 😭😭😭
Wait but doesnt that mean Childe would be the 10th harbinger? Since he would take over Crepus position?
Same question should be asked conserning scara's and signora's seats but no one toke over those seats
@@kim_genshin Pierro did say he have plans to revive signora so it makes sense to not fill up her seat, even if his plan fails, Pierro respects signora too much to have her seat filled by someone else. As for scara, canonically his seat was vacant ever since the creation of the fatui, this could be irmunsul being able to not clean scara from the history properly.
I love this theory its one of my favs
At this point, it genuinely makes sense to why he had the Delusion
4.2 boss fight :) r u all ready!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 🔥_🔥
imagine the story like batman begin where bruce were once affiliate with ra's al gul and crepus affiliate with the fatui once
He has to be a harbinger, because how the heck he has a DELUSION.
Also why at 4:24 the harbinger order changed, I thought it would be a globus crociger, but it's Regrator's symbol.
The constellations arent in order
All Fatui members have a delusion, how do you think they would fight us otherwise, with Visions that are by, lore standards, rare? If they are not given to everyone how would an entire armada have Visions, and I think in the archives it says they have delusions but I'm too lazy to check that rn
Actually in 3:35 the symbol at 9 o clock is Pierro cuz its half a mask like his face isn't it?
Pierro doesnt count among the eleven Harbingers (he's their leader).
And in that fatui wheel there's only 11 constellations so he cant be there
Maybe Crepus is a Fatui Harbinger but when he died, he was replaced by another harbinger such as Childe????
Childe is the 11th, he's not the 10th.
@@Izira_Talia yes i know that, what i meant was that he was replaced by another harbinger after his death.
2:29 this is also on arlechinos back
Oh shit now knave and childe is going to betray if traveler make them redeems or in some ways dottore have some schem to harm them who knows i hope not
If i remember the knave protect lyney from using delusions she know that dottore whould use that i do think that she doesn't need delusion but i don't know my only concern is childe
This theory will definitely come true
Diluc finding out his father’s apart of his worst enemy group lmaoo
Personally I think Kaeya is the 10th harbinger whether or not he himself knows it, there’s no reason why the Fatui would kill one of their own harbingers
i think kaeya would be the prince of khaerinah cuz dainsleif said he’s a descendant of the alberich family
Wanderer already leak the number of Fatui Harbinger.
6th is now also unknown lol!
I always knew Knave is 4th al along
Nice theory Kim .
Do you think Diluc still wan to figh Fatui Harbinger again to avenging his father death ?
I dont think so because during his 3 year trip outside Mondstadt, and after he almost died to the Harbingers he " took a long hard look at his past and the anger he had harbored for so long" basically he had character developpement and let it slide
@@kim_genshin i though he still want to fight Harbinger because i have theory he will help us and Childe fight the remaining Harbinger in Snezsnaya
2:45
I’m not joking, when I saw Alechno I literally texted my friend and said
“Why does she have the same outfit as Diluc?”
If pierro isn't number 1
Then this theory is most likely true
I have a theory that Diluc killed the old 11th fatui harbinger the one before childe because it will be real if there is a 11 member before childe and childe was just a replacement for him after he’s death and we know that Childe have missions everywhere in teyvat but the stronger harbinger doesn’t really appear much only if it was related to that nation and I will say that after Diluc committed much of killing sprays on fatui the cryo archon gave a mission to the 11th harbinger to kill Diluc and he failed to kill him and got killed and that’s why Snezhnaya hates monstadt now and try to get monstadt weaker and no Childe wasn’t the 11th fatui harbinger in that time he was still a teenager who train in the abyss
Good theory,
Now let me give you another one 😏,
Listen to Neuvillette ascension voice lines, then read the Hydro ascension gems description. 💎
Interesting
If even childe can't use his full delusion for more than 10 seconds without needing a long rest (his story quest), then using it for a full battle and fighting one of the most powerful monsters, who was centuries old AND HOLDING IT OFF would be enough to kill him. Remember that they had to send the second harbinger to deal with it.
Do you mean his foul legacy? It's not delusion, it's abyss power
Reading comprehension issues I see
Someone has uploaded this theory before.. and I've created this theory before both of these people uploaded these videos.
I hope this becomes cannon! Diluc will lose his mind lmao! xD Diluc Ragnvindr, The Son of The 10th Fatui Harbinger! That would be fuckin awesome! xD
If crepus had the Delusion But Died due to its Side effects.Did it Pass on to Diluc? btw I Love your Lore Videos and your Editing Style
Crepus was affected by the delusion but diluc has been using it for over 4 years and nothing happened to him so he might be immune somehow🤔 also thank you🙏
I believe Pierro could still be both the first AND leader of the Fatui Harbingers, being number 1 can still equal as being the strongest and therefor commanding all the other Harbingers that's why Childe as number 11 doesn't have authority over any of the other Harbingers who are all above him in ranking and the one who commands all the Harbingers including Pierro is Tsaritsa who's their director or more like co-director if Pierro's really also her right-hand, I honestly still don't really buy into the idea of Crepus having been a Harbinger too but I could always be mistaken.
Edit: And if it's true, then wow Diluc sure has a badass family.
That would be impossible because all of the Harbinger's ranks were confirmed and the only unconfirmed one yet is Capitano but then there would be no way for him to be 10th when Childe himself said he's "ranked too low" for Capitano to notice him. Plus it wont make sense for Capitano to get the most praise if he's that low in rank. So it would only make sense for him to be the 1st Harbinger while Pierro is the leader of the Harbingers. So it's canon that the 10th Harbinger is indeed missing and unknown
He's not tho he's the diractor Nr.0
Wouldn't make sense for capitano who is the strongest individual in teyvat to be number 10
well he is leader so he is no.0 no 1 captiano can't be 10 as if he is 10th then childe should know obviously and won't say he is way far up too notice me i believe this is true and unless they add another harbinger which will be unecessary crepus can be the ex-10th harbinger who prbly left
Can't believe it's still debate.Voiceline order fits ranks,Pierro rank was never confimed for a reason, he only called original and founder in cn.Capitano is 1st and strongest l, Tartaglia said he many seats behind in cn so he can't be 10,and he praised by everyone and everywhere.Even scara in cn says that Capitano possesses the apex of strength, has countless military achievements and extremely dangerous, even other fatui constanlty praise him and Tartaglia admires him most
Wait signora has her own constellation?
Lorewise everyone has their own constellation. Based on the symbols of the harbingers her constellation would be a moth
Anyone knows who was the person they talk about in Yelan Story Quest?