They won't cancel completely because they don't want to lose face with investors. It's sunk-cost fallacy as Dave states. I don't know what the terms of the contract with the Tolkien Estate is and whether Amazon are liable for financial penalties if they axe it early. Whatever one thinks of Simon Tolkien's attitude to his grandfather's legacy, he's probably not bothered either way as he gets to keep the money. In a few years' time this show will have been forgotten, hopefully.
The "modern audience", it turns out, is the gender studies department at Smith College and all of their acolytes. It is what they wished the world looked like (people that believed the same BS that they do). It is too small to fund projects like this on its own, so they have to glom on to popular franchises and run them into the ground.
They're succeeding. It's a slow process, but there will come a point where the average person won't even notice the wokeness anymore; it'll just be the way things are and have always been. That's why they take such pains to saturate everything they can with their messaging. These people may not be creative geniuses, but they do know a lot about psychology and persuasion.
@@lancevance60 I'm not quite as depressed as you are. I think things are turning and companies are starting to reject Wokism, if for no other reason that it is costing them money.
@@andyklapper8484 I wonder. I think part of their modus operandi is to overreach on purpose. That way, even if the wokeness is dialled back, they've still moved the ball up the field. And of course they can always count on spineless conservatives to lap up any old shit if it's presented in a certain way... which is how you get the Yellowstone effect. It might cost them money, yes, but these are ideologues investing in a future they want. They're more than willing to take the odd financial hit if it means they can usher in the utopia.
Yeah, and it’s working too. I have friends who don’t even notice that Rings of Power looks like the cast was plucked from a coffee shop in LA despite Jackson’s trilogy looking completely different, almost medieval in terms of its ethnic mix.
@@Quaristice Unfortunately the average person on the street is largely unaware that this culture war is even in progress. They are just mindless consumers.
Indeed. If you let them into your organization, they will sacrifice your money, your brand, and your customer goodwill on the altar of Marxism... then move on to the next brand.
These properties are like buying a classic car. Even though you may have to make repairs to restore the vehicle (or maybe you want to update the technology), you still keep the design aesthetic. You still keep it true to the original idea and theme. When you take it to a car show, no one wants to see a '67 Bel Air with a fast and furious spoiler on the back. The problem is that these people running the franchise DO NOT want to pay tribute to the original, they want to tear it down and replace it with their golden calf so they can legitimize their own perversions.
RoP is like buying a Rolls Royce Silver dawn in mint condition, then spray painting it rainbow colors, slapping a bunch of woke gibberish bumper stickers all over it, and swapping out the engine for a Honda 4-banger.
" so they can legitimize their own perversions." Yep. How else could they write their own dialogue, characters, and scenes and think it's up to par with Tolkien's work?
@@aleksander8497 It doesn't even need to be "on par with Tolkien", it would be already enough if its somewhat decent, but they dont even reach that low standard
We keep being told that we can't handle strong female characters, and yet Buffy the Vampire Slayer premiered almost thirty years ago, and was and still remains very popular.
I lost my vision awhile back; so I'm using a screen reader just to leave my wonderful UA-cam comments now. When I listen to clips of Rings of Power, all I hear is male characters that sound like they have an allergy to Testosterone, and female characters that sound like they were written as male characters, and cast with an actress.
That's something I also noticed. If you put a male in the place of the Badass Strong Independent Female Protagonist of every movie, it effortlessly becomes a cool character. It will just never translate to females because men and women are different things, and society have apparently forgotten about that around 2005
@@vipondiu It isn't that it becomes a Cool character, really. It is more that it becomes a BELIEVABLE character. To me, this is a lot of Uncanny Valley stuff going on. Look at this Star Wars Outlaws video game. It is basically a Han Solo video game, but they replaced Han with a frail little woman. It doesn't make any sense. It has an uncanny valley effect. It would be like putting Harrison Ford as the lead in a Bridget Jones' Diary film. It creates a mental barrier that is very hard to get around. But the people doing these decisions, are doing them entirely out of spite. It is all driven by spite.
It's an exercise in Western cultural demolition and a billion bucks is a trivial price to pay for such a significant work as Tolkien's. They will run this to the bitter, ghastly end.
@@christopherhowarth9801 Maybe one day they will ban his book because of his Catholic beliefs and traditional worldview. Don't think for a second we are living in a free and fair world where this can not happen. We are slowly being marched towards it and most people are completely unaware.
They have sunk too much money, time and media hype into it to can it now. My best guess is they will squeeze out another couple of seasons until they are forced to quietly shelf it.
They will get more seasons because people actually watch it. That's the only reason why shows live or die. Amazon is like Netflix. Take outer range. Great show critics and fans praised it but after 2 seasons Amazon cancelled it. Why? Cause nobody watches it except me and a fanbase you can count on one ✋🏻. UA-camrs dump on this show but it's top 5 streaming. Simple math. You watch it lives. You don't watch it's cancelled.
I've read a comment in Nedrotic's video about the Star Wars Outlaw. The commenter said that they should create a sequel and spent double the budget. I laughed and agreed. Amazon should go forth with the 5 seasons of Rings of Power and go beyond what a TV show budget should be. After that, it will be the best example of HOW NOT TO DO a TV show lol.
Or did they keep bleating the message out to 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, 14-year-olds? Where are the normal heroes? Anyone have a young lad that's going to rescue society in their household. He Gets beaten down by the unionized teachers anytime he gets active. These shows aren't failures, they're victories. Think about the damage they're doing 20 years from now.
Well you're missing out. Check back in and watch. I'm in the same demographic and am enjoying it. Season 1 started slow but it picks up in later episodes and season 2 is better with more monsters, ghosts 👻 and goblins and tree beard makes an appearance. And you see Gandalf coming into his own. I find the Sauron character arc confusing as heck.
@@jonfreeman9682 Lol no he's not. It's absolutely atrocious. I love hate-watching it but anyone claiming this picks up instead of getting worse as it pertains to Tolkien's world is just lying.
It's not a billion. The media got it wrong. More like $400 million. Yeah it's still alot. But this is Tolkien you're talking about and it deserves a big budget to do it justice. It's top 5 most watched now and it's got more fans than GOT even.
Well, part of the contract Amazon agreed to on being able to do this was 5 seasons. So honestly it really shouldn't be surprising. But people don't dig that much into these details. Everyone always jeeps saying that the good shows are cancelled while the bad ones continue. They never usually ask why, because the answer doesn't fit their view. These "good shows" just didn't have the eyes to justify the cost. They never got their popular acclaim till much later after it was cancelled. And this is a common trend. John Carpenter's The Thing was a flop and heavily panned when it came out. It's only been years after it was released on Home Video did it get the popularity it has now. And as for the bad shows continuing, they probably got more favorable contracts that even if they weren't performing any better than the canceled "good shows" they already had season planned ahead of time and still stuck to their budget that the loss wasn't as bad. I agree that it sucks shows that are just getting good are cancelled before they even hit their peak or finish their story; but the reality is just there wasn't enough eyes on it. And they don't get the appreciation they could have till later. But with streaming essentially eliminating physical copies, that won't happen as there is no incentive for these studios now to push out DVDs. So now it's left up to accessibility and word of mouth.
I think Amazon is almost too big to fail. Unlike other streaming services, Amazon is not primarily an entertainment company. It is essentially the Walmart of online shopping. It can afford to waste money in ways that other companies cannot. For example, Disney is worth 160 billion dollars, but Amazon is worth 1.8 trillion.
It can afford it, but ultimately, I guess it comes down to whether or not there are limits to how much it is willing to lose. Ultimately, for streaming shows, the way they make money is by bringing people in to watch it. If people aren't watching it and if more people aren't getting Prime in order to watch it, then, Amazon isn't getting anything out of it. They're not even winning awards with it which they really want to do with their shows. But I think they may not be willing to admit failure and they may carry through on the plan of 5 seasons.
@@ChaoticYak1 Most people subscribe to Prime because they want quick delivery of packages, not because they want to watch television. Because of that, they have a subscriber base that is locked in regardless if anyone watches.
@@ChaoticYak1 Amazon Prime subscriptions in the USA have gone from around 80 million in 2022, to an estimated 180 million by the end of 2024. Amazon could not care less that people think their show sucks. In their eyes, it's one of the contributing factors to their rapid growth.
I would be shocked if Amazon pulled the plug on ROP for 3 reasons: - ROP isn’t resulting in Amazon (overall) brand damage. People aren’t ordering fewer packages bc of it. - we view $1B expense far differently than does Amazon - Amazon doesn’t want to be seen as capitulating with competing Tolkien projects being developed.
Can you imagine if they kept to the lore... told the story the way Tolkien told it.. .instead of this juvenile and immature 'shipping' they told the story of Beren and Luthien? The love affair between man and elf that was so impressive and beautiful even the gods wept? What about the story of Elrond's origins and his father's boat carrying one of the Silmarils is the morning and evening star? That his Brother Elros decided to become human and was the first king of Numenor? What about the real story of why the Elves attacked Morgoth when he stole the silmarils and put them in his crown? That is heart breaking literature... beautiful and terrible at the same time. Or the real story of the fall of Numenor? MY GOD> it would be a TV masterpiece. It would be worth every penny I spent to watch it! I don't know if it will continue for another season, I certainly won't be watching it, it is a disgusting piece of garbage, unworthy of my attention... I only listen to all the reviews of it because they are wonderfully amusing and well done. I love Critical Drinker and the rest of the luminaries here on you tube, really do!
They need to update it for a modern audience. Times have changed since Tolkien's days and the modem audience is different from back then. But it's still a darn good show. In many ways it even improves on Peter Jackson's masterpiece.
There's an AI trailer that features a Rings of Power trailer, but if it had been created by Peter Jackson. THAT is a show that I would have checked out.
Unlike Disney but like Apple , Amazon is actually cash rich so they don't need DEI money per se . They could continue to fund the show for some tax loop hole purpose , they probably don't even truly care if breaks even or not.
@@Rare.99 That's exactly what I've been telling people for years. They make more than a billion dollars a day from their online retail business. That's not counting profits from their web hosting services.
My question is this: what story do the showrunners think they are going to tell in seasons 3-5?? 1.5 seasons in, and it's already a slow, muddled mess. What is the overall story arc they are going for, and does it require 5 seasons? OR, did they start with getting approved for 5 seasons and they are backing their 'story' into that expectation? I think it's the latter, unfortunately...
They should have done one story line per season. It would still be terrible , but at least it would be better structured. Now ,they are jumping around between story lines and not fully developing any of them . They wanted to copy the Game of Thrones format and it's a mess.
I had an exchange with European Lore about this very topic just after Season 1 dropped. He argued Amazon will let them do three seasons, I aimed at two. MSM reported the showrunners having three-seasons contracts back in Spring this year so it's likely Seb was correct but... I still don't lose hope. My assessment is Amazon will watch audience response VERY closely in following weeks and after finale premiere. If The Acolyte shill debacle repeats here, that may affect Amazon's final judgment.
I’m glad that I grew up in a time when under-a-million viewers might be what a popular rerun on local television might bring in the metropolitan New York City region, and any moderate to hit show would be seen by a fifth, a quarter, or even a third of the US population. I’ve often tended for more boutique things in music, film, literature, etc (when the highest quality exists), but there’s something to be said for a large shared popular/middlebrow cultural experience. That we have become so Balkanized that a BILLION DOLLARS can be even contemplated for a series that brings in a million (or even five million) viewers is a sad state of affairs
You forgot one critical difference: Disney has suffered too many financial failures not to rein things in. They simply ran out of money and cannot afford to plow the message at a loss anymore. But Amazon has unlimited funds to burn if they decide their corporate pride would be hurt too much by not finishing all five seasons.
I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that what we are dealing with here is a failure to communicate. What we need to communicate to these people is that we don’t care what they do anymore. No more getting angry, no more insulting them no more showing them any emotion other than laughing in their face. I think it’s their tasking to make us miserable. The more angry we are the more they push us with the demolishing of our loved franchises. They need to see results one way or another and they will not stop until the no longer see any results whatsoever. They will go away if ignored.
Oh there's communicate alright. It's all in the metrics. You watch it lives. You don't watch it gets cancelled. UA-camr comments don't matter. The numbers decide if a show lives or dies. Amazon cancelled a show I liked. Outer range got great reviews from critics and fans but nobody watches so it's cancelled after 2 seasons. Netflix is even worse. They cancel shows with no mercy if they don't meet numbers.
@@jonfreeman9682 I watched that show too and I really enjoyed it for the most part. I thought it was a great concept and that it was going somewhere. As a First Nations person tho I didn’t like how they portrayed my people with the wokeness and that lesbo cop.
@@jasonvoorhees8545 Yeah every show has LGBTQ now. They even put that in Disney cartoon Buzz Lightyear. But I was hoping Outer Range would get a third season to explain the time travel. I also subscribe to AMC as I'm a fan of the walking dead, really dumb show, but they have a great series called Dark Winds about Navajo police detectives starring the amazing Zahn McClarnon. I'm not sure how accurate it portrays real life tribal police but I thought the show was well done. 👌🏻
No unfortunately. Unlike Disney, Amazon is too big to fall and has a lot amount of money to greenlighted good shows or awful shows and not caring if people watch it or not since people will still buy stuff off from Amazon.
Just think if amazon had taken all the money spent on this series and used it to give warehouse employees better wages and working conditions. Wouldn't that have done more for women and minorities?
I actually think Amazon will double down after the show ends and start producing smaller scale spinoff shows that somehow worse like the Witcher did with Blood Origins.
Canceling would be admitting a mistake, which can never happen. The most likely scenario is a scramble behind the scenes to wrap it up next year and announce: "this show was always intended to run three seasons, where did you get the idea that it was five?"
Amazon as a company cares about one thing above all else; money. This show HAS to be hemorrhaging money. I predict (hope) it will be cancelled after the second season. What I'd really like to see is that they put the show into hiatus after S2, fire EVERYONE involved, get some competent writers and producers and retcon seasons 1 and 2 into the dustbin of history. But the odds of that happening are nil.
The biggest problem right out of the gate is that, to my knowledge, Amazon didn't buy the rights to the Silmarilion, so they literally don't have enough rights to tell the actual events that Tolkien created, and they have to do this farcical Frankenstein monster of a story that in many cases literally copy and pastes content from Lotr and the Jackson movies word for word. Any executive should have immediately asked "do you have the rights to the downfall of Numenor story? No? Then we won't make that story into a show will we?" But for some reason that didn't happen and we are left with an abomination.
They bought the rights but Tolkien's books only tells the main story. This prequel was created by screenwriters using his notes when he created the story.
@jonfreeman9682 I am pretty sure Amazon does not have the rights to the Silmarillion, which is the book that has the full story of the events around the rise and fall of Numenor. Amazon is basically working with whatever info they can glean from the Lotr appendices and then trying to copy the look and feel of the Jackson films.
The thing, though, is that the show has ALREADY stepped in the "forbidden pool" of rights. By copying and pasting (and straight up copying LOTR scenes), they HAVE essentially already violated rights they don't have. Yes, that helps with the consistency issue they have with the show, but at the same time it might also wander into the waters that some might argue is straight up plagiarism. It ALSO creates an impenetrable barrier for the writer(s) - how exactly are you supposed to world build in a world where you aren't ALLOWED to use anything that MADE the world because you don't have rights to ANYTHING?
You know, I have to be honest, we shouldn’t all sit down and wait the downfall of a show… …but this shit is the alternative so pass the popcorn, at least it’s entertaining!
Second season's costumes look a bit better, though. I would be interesting to know if that is STILL more or less the same budget, or whether there was an increase in budget, because I'm sure a LOT of people will want to know where all that money went in the first season.
Remember, many people tried to adapt lord of the rings to film and failed. The anomaly was Peter Jackson, his adaptation was celebrated for succeeding and then he failed with the hobbit. It is a hard feat to create anything in this Tolkien world, and this when cinematic writing is at a low creative point .
There are many successes and they all succeed in their own way. But when adapting to TV format and film some changes are often made. But Peter Jackson trilogy was very well done.
@@reek4062 lol no. He was celebrated for staying true to the world and message. Aragorn being a reluctant hero changes very little, if anything, of substance.
The Hobbit would have been good if it was only one movie. But corporate greed forced Jackson to stretch it out into a trilogy, which required inventing new material to fill the gaps. As good as Jackson was at adapting Tolkien, and as much reverence as he had for his work, as soon as he was set loose on his own with no training wheels, he shit the bed. And he is gearing up to make the same mistakes all over again l with the upcoming Gollum movies. Now take all of the talent and reverence out of that equation, and you have Rings Of Power.
This may be why Christopher Tolkien didn't like Peter Jackson's movies. He may have realized that things would escalate to the point of absurdity and people would not bother to read the actual books.
They won't cancel it because of sheer fookin hubris.
Yep. Seems like they are fine with losing money so long as it helps them avoid a huge public embarassment.
Yes, Admiral.
100% and amazon has money to burn 🔥
They won't cancel completely because they don't want to lose face with investors. It's sunk-cost fallacy as Dave states. I don't know what the terms of the contract with the Tolkien Estate is and whether Amazon are liable for financial penalties if they axe it early. Whatever one thinks of Simon Tolkien's attitude to his grandfather's legacy, he's probably not bothered either way as he gets to keep the money. In a few years' time this show will have been forgotten, hopefully.
I hope not I've enjoyed watching Sauron work this season...
The "modern Audience" isn't something that exists. It's something they're trying to make.
The “modern audience” are fans of the moronic Peter Jackson films.
The "modern audience", it turns out, is the gender studies department at Smith College and all of their acolytes. It is what they wished the world looked like (people that believed the same BS that they do). It is too small to fund projects like this on its own, so they have to glom on to popular franchises and run them into the ground.
They're succeeding. It's a slow process, but there will come a point where the average person won't even notice the wokeness anymore; it'll just be the way things are and have always been. That's why they take such pains to saturate everything they can with their messaging. These people may not be creative geniuses, but they do know a lot about psychology and persuasion.
@@lancevance60 I'm not quite as depressed as you are. I think things are turning and companies are starting to reject Wokism, if for no other reason that it is costing them money.
@@andyklapper8484 I wonder. I think part of their modus operandi is to overreach on purpose. That way, even if the wokeness is dialled back, they've still moved the ball up the field. And of course they can always count on spineless conservatives to lap up any old shit if it's presented in a certain way... which is how you get the Yellowstone effect.
It might cost them money, yes, but these are ideologues investing in a future they want. They're more than willing to take the odd financial hit if it means they can usher in the utopia.
Have you ever noticed how these networks usually renew shows that nobody likes, while cancelling shows people do like?
It’s really annoying, isn’t it?
They want to change us it takes time.
Aka Firefly Syndrome.
@@Adelina-293 Jericho 😢
Like The Acolyte!
Social engineering doesnt care about making a profit or about quality.
Yeah, and it’s working too. I have friends who don’t even notice that Rings of Power looks like the cast was plucked from a coffee shop in LA despite Jackson’s trilogy looking completely different, almost medieval in terms of its ethnic mix.
@@Quaristice Unfortunately the average person on the street is largely unaware that this culture war is even in progress. They are just mindless consumers.
Indeed. If you let them into your organization, they will sacrifice your money, your brand, and your customer goodwill on the altar of Marxism... then move on to the next brand.
True, I was thinking the same thing. World power is more important
The money is an expendable asset and there is lots more where that came from.
These properties are like buying a classic car. Even though you may have to make repairs to restore the vehicle (or maybe you want to update the technology), you still keep the design aesthetic. You still keep it true to the original idea and theme. When you take it to a car show, no one wants to see a '67 Bel Air with a fast and furious spoiler on the back. The problem is that these people running the franchise DO NOT want to pay tribute to the original, they want to tear it down and replace it with their golden calf so they can legitimize their own perversions.
RoP is like buying a Rolls Royce Silver dawn in mint condition, then spray painting it rainbow colors, slapping a bunch of woke gibberish bumper stickers all over it, and swapping out the engine for a Honda 4-banger.
" so they can legitimize their own perversions."
Yep. How else could they write their own dialogue, characters, and scenes and think it's up to par with Tolkien's work?
@@aleksander8497 It doesn't even need to be "on par with Tolkien", it would be already enough if its somewhat decent, but they dont even reach that low standard
We keep being told that we can't handle strong female characters, and yet Buffy the Vampire Slayer premiered almost thirty years ago, and was and still remains very popular.
It is was always a lie but when the Media is on your side you have the Power to Gaslight People.
they exist all through time. just the extreme far left woke it's refuse to see it. just like they refuse to see common sense/
"You lie! Our show features the first strong wamen evah!" (them, probably)
Don't forget Xena, Warrior Princess.
My favourite show of all time. But what would I know, I’m just a far right, sexist, racist, male, white privileged, homophobic misogynist.
They should've kept going with The Expanse
let amazon keep wasting cash on trash
Marginally better than the Jackson films, but I think Amazon should aim for a higher standard.
You think this is better then Jackson films?
@@reek4062 You cannot be serious.
@@reek4062 And you're not a political activist at all
@@reek4062 😂
nice troll, you caught a few fish here
I lost my vision awhile back; so I'm using a screen reader just to leave my wonderful UA-cam comments now.
When I listen to clips of Rings of Power, all I hear is male characters that sound like they have an allergy to Testosterone, and female characters that sound like they were written as male characters, and cast with an actress.
You've opened a window into perception. Do more of it.
@@therealpatriarchy I plan on it.
That's something I also noticed. If you put a male in the place of the Badass Strong Independent Female Protagonist of every movie, it effortlessly becomes a cool character. It will just never translate to females because men and women are different things, and society have apparently forgotten about that around 2005
@@vipondiu It isn't that it becomes a Cool character, really. It is more that it becomes a BELIEVABLE character. To me, this is a lot of Uncanny Valley stuff going on. Look at this Star Wars Outlaws video game. It is basically a Han Solo video game, but they replaced Han with a frail little woman. It doesn't make any sense. It has an uncanny valley effect. It would be like putting Harrison Ford as the lead in a Bridget Jones' Diary film. It creates a mental barrier that is very hard to get around. But the people doing these decisions, are doing them entirely out of spite. It is all driven by spite.
It's an exercise in Western cultural demolition and a billion bucks is a trivial price to pay for such a significant work as Tolkien's. They will run this to the bitter, ghastly end.
It's a futile exercise because nobody cares and ultimately it will be forgotten while Tolkien works live on.
@@christopherhowarth9801 Maybe one day they will ban his book because of his Catholic beliefs and traditional worldview. Don't think for a second we are living in a free and fair world where this can not happen. We are slowly being marched towards it and most people are completely unaware.
They aren't demolishing anything, except their own fortunes and their own reputation. Nobody is confusing Rings of Power with Tolkein's work.
Ghastly is the perfect word
I absolutely agree. They wont leave a single saga, tale, story without spoiling, perverting and leave as n empty shell.
RoP is more like hate fiction than fan fiction.
Yes. Even bad fan fiction (if it isn't just mindless smut) stems from a love of the source material, channeled through bad or lack of writing skills.
“There wis a tempwest in me!!”
Galadriel, age 5.
I kinda see why she was bullied in elf kindergarten tbh
"ya gotta deal wit it!"
probably Galadriel also
Galadriel age 3: “There is a compost in me!” * Yeets diaper of unicorn rainbow turds *
No. They would spend billions to destroy Tolkien. This is nothing for them.
I'm actually beginning to believe it's not Amazon.
Who has Billions to destroy cultural masculine icons, and for what gain?
That is what he missing, they are actively trying to destroy everything Tolkien created to replace it with their own trash.
Except they'll never destroy Tolkien, regardless of how much they spend.
Tolkien is taking a beating right now but will outlive it and only get better.
@syntaxusdogmata3333 the old that is strong does not whither.
Deep roots are not touched by the frost.
Way to honor Grandpa, Tolkien family. Way to go.
They got the 💰💰
They have sunk too much money, time and media hype into it to can it now. My best guess is they will squeeze out another couple of seasons until they are forced to quietly shelf it.
They will get more seasons because people actually watch it. That's the only reason why shows live or die. Amazon is like Netflix. Take outer range. Great show critics and fans praised it but after 2 seasons Amazon cancelled it. Why? Cause nobody watches it except me and a fanbase you can count on one ✋🏻. UA-camrs dump on this show but it's top 5 streaming. Simple math. You watch it lives. You don't watch it's cancelled.
@@jonfreeman9682 Nah
@@jonfreeman9682 You are aware that Amazon can control whats on the Top 5 arn't you.
Amazon has way too much money to care. They will push it out to 3 or 5 seasons regardless of how much money it loses.
A billion dollars is nothing for Amazon. They are way bigger than Disney.
It's an accounting error to them.
A billion dollars is something for Amazon.
@@dsmyify On Amazon Prime day in 2023, Amazon raked in almost 13 billion in sales. IN ONE DAY. The cost of this show is a drop in the bucket to them.
@@dsmyify maybe but they make more billions than they lose
But it's not the money. This is a good show fans love. More seasons needed as Tolkien is a rich lore.
Cancel? Please no. With no Acolyte or ROP, I’d have nothing to watch on You Tube .
I second that.
People hate-watching boring garbage and click farming. No thanks.
I 3rd that. I get excited to make fun of it .
I've read a comment in Nedrotic's video about the Star Wars Outlaw. The commenter said that they should create a sequel and spent double the budget. I laughed and agreed. Amazon should go forth with the 5 seasons of Rings of Power and go beyond what a TV show budget should be. After that, it will be the best example of HOW NOT TO DO a TV show lol.
But we will still have Velma. 🤣
The Velma show runner is getting more work too. So clearly these woke corpos learned nothing
Or did they keep bleating the message out to 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, 14-year-olds? Where are the normal heroes? Anyone have a young lad that's going to rescue society in their household. He Gets beaten down by the unionized teachers anytime he gets active. These shows aren't failures, they're victories. Think about the damage they're doing 20 years from now.
@@MrGamman3yt Nailed it.
Well they have a mandate to add woke. It's a requirement.
They get huge tax and loan incentives to do it from Blackrock. Until we outlaw DEI practices as being raycyst it's not going anywhere. Period.
How dare you! Velma is a cult classic, one of the best shows in the last 30 years. I love it. Have a good day mate.
I never watched season 1
The Sea is Always Right!
You should. I only watched it just now and love it. Season 2 is better. You're missing out.
@@jonfreeman9682 You lie for money or for free ?
Go watch it for free why you should pay for it
I’m 45. Male. Prime audience. I stopped watching after the “they took our jobs” episode.
Well you're missing out. Check back in and watch. I'm in the same demographic and am enjoying it. Season 1 started slow but it picks up in later episodes and season 2 is better with more monsters, ghosts 👻 and goblins and tree beard makes an appearance. And you see Gandalf coming into his own. I find the Sauron character arc confusing as heck.
@@jonfreeman9682 How much do they pay you to do this? Is the money good?
@@haitolawrence5986 JFC I hope he gets paid. The alternative would be so sad.
@Jonfreeman did you like cuties too?
@@jonfreeman9682 Lol no he's not. It's absolutely atrocious. I love hate-watching it but anyone claiming this picks up instead of getting worse as it pertains to Tolkien's world is just lying.
'We have to force behaviors' - viewers to Disney, Amazon etc.
Here's hoping. But it is a fool's hope I fear.
Well, Frodo did destroy the Ring... So we may have a chance
@@g.t.werber4476 No, he failed, actually.
Spending a billion dollars on a single entertainment venture puts an exclamation point on the failures of society as a whole.
Except it's not an entertainment venture. It's an ad to sell Amazon Prime subscriptions, nothing else.
Failure or victory?
It costs a billion dollars to brainwash 6 to 12 to 18 year old girls and boys. And 40yr old single cat ladys.
entertainment is as much of a business as any other company. they paid a billion because they thought they could earn on it.
@@stephengibbons4771 It's not even that, it's a medium to sell the message.
It's not a billion. The media got it wrong. More like $400 million. Yeah it's still alot. But this is Tolkien you're talking about and it deserves a big budget to do it justice. It's top 5 most watched now and it's got more fans than GOT even.
I can’t believe it got a second season… my only justification is that it comes from a studio with more money than sense. 🤷♂️
Well, part of the contract Amazon agreed to on being able to do this was 5 seasons. So honestly it really shouldn't be surprising. But people don't dig that much into these details.
Everyone always jeeps saying that the good shows are cancelled while the bad ones continue. They never usually ask why, because the answer doesn't fit their view.
These "good shows" just didn't have the eyes to justify the cost. They never got their popular acclaim till much later after it was cancelled.
And this is a common trend. John Carpenter's The Thing was a flop and heavily panned when it came out. It's only been years after it was released on Home Video did it get the popularity it has now.
And as for the bad shows continuing, they probably got more favorable contracts that even if they weren't performing any better than the canceled "good shows" they already had season planned ahead of time and still stuck to their budget that the loss wasn't as bad.
I agree that it sucks shows that are just getting good are cancelled before they even hit their peak or finish their story; but the reality is just there wasn't enough eyes on it. And they don't get the appreciation they could have till later. But with streaming essentially eliminating physical copies, that won't happen as there is no incentive for these studios now to push out DVDs.
So now it's left up to accessibility and word of mouth.
I think Amazon is almost too big to fail. Unlike other streaming services, Amazon is not primarily an entertainment company. It is essentially the Walmart of online shopping. It can afford to waste money in ways that other companies cannot. For example, Disney is worth 160 billion dollars, but Amazon is worth 1.8 trillion.
It can afford it, but ultimately, I guess it comes down to whether or not there are limits to how much it is willing to lose. Ultimately, for streaming shows, the way they make money is by bringing people in to watch it. If people aren't watching it and if more people aren't getting Prime in order to watch it, then, Amazon isn't getting anything out of it. They're not even winning awards with it which they really want to do with their shows.
But I think they may not be willing to admit failure and they may carry through on the plan of 5 seasons.
@@ChaoticYak1 Most people subscribe to Prime because they want quick delivery of packages, not because they want to watch television. Because of that, they have a subscriber base that is locked in regardless if anyone watches.
It just takes a bit longer for them to fail but when they do it's pretty impressive. Many such cases.
@@ChaoticYak1 Amazon Prime subscriptions in the USA have gone from around 80 million in 2022, to an estimated 180 million by the end of 2024. Amazon could not care less that people think their show sucks. In their eyes, it's one of the contributing factors to their rapid growth.
Didn't people used to say "too big to fail" about the major banks, or IBM? All empires fail, commercial and countries.
Oh I hope so. This is such a disgrace to Tolkiens legacy.
I thought Jackson fans liked Tolkien’s legacy being r4ped
@@reek4062 Jackson never r@ped it. You really need to do some some inner thinking if you think that. 😂
@@reek4062 I'm a Tolkien fan. Jackson did what he could. Far far better then Amazon could even dream.
@@anonfaceless6088 Thanks for proving my point
@@reek4062 Hahaha.... Oh wow... Okay.... What point...
I think amazon will have to cut the budget and possibly canel any future seasons as they cannot continue on the current course.
Galadriel: “There is a tempest in me!“
Audience: “That is not a tempest. It is PMS.“
Such a dislikeable character, and badly acted. I hate how she constantly has to *rrrrroll* her *rrrrrs* 🤮
@@IainFrame the character is a true Mary Sue. Obnoxious and unbelievable.
As a female, I agree. She conveys the obnoxious, irrational pissiness of PMS pretty well. Pathetic, not to be taken seriously.
I really hope it doesn't continue and gets cancelled asap. #RespectForTolkien.
What I want to know is where did all that money go?, half a fucking billion a series???.
It doesnt help that Galadriel actress chews every scene shes in.
Also rolling them RRRRRRs every time she says SauRRRRRRRRon
I would be shocked if Amazon pulled the plug on ROP for 3 reasons:
- ROP isn’t resulting in Amazon (overall) brand damage. People aren’t ordering fewer packages bc of it.
- we view $1B expense far differently than does Amazon
- Amazon doesn’t want to be seen as capitulating with competing Tolkien projects being developed.
They could suspend it indefinitely and just never admit defeat.
The only way Bezos and company would be bothered is if Prime memberships declined.
I've bought a copy of Bakshi's 1978 animated version.
Can you imagine if they kept to the lore... told the story the way Tolkien told it.. .instead of this juvenile and immature 'shipping' they told the story of Beren and Luthien? The love affair between man and elf that was so impressive and beautiful even the gods wept? What about the story of Elrond's origins and his father's boat carrying one of the Silmarils is the morning and evening star? That his Brother Elros decided to become human and was the first king of Numenor? What about the real story of why the Elves attacked Morgoth when he stole the silmarils and put them in his crown? That is heart breaking literature... beautiful and terrible at the same time. Or the real story of the fall of Numenor? MY GOD> it would be a TV masterpiece. It would be worth every penny I spent to watch it! I don't know if it will continue for another season, I certainly won't be watching it, it is a disgusting piece of garbage, unworthy of my attention... I only listen to all the reviews of it because they are wonderfully amusing and well done. I love Critical Drinker and the rest of the luminaries here on you tube, really do!
You know your lore💪
Watch the woke critic. It is absolutely hilarious what he does.
By the way, great original post.
They need to update it for a modern audience. Times have changed since Tolkien's days and the modem audience is different from back then. But it's still a darn good show. In many ways it even improves on Peter Jackson's masterpiece.
There's an AI trailer that features a Rings of Power trailer, but if it had been created by Peter Jackson. THAT is a show that I would have checked out.
As long as the DEI money keeps flowing, the mangling of this franchise will continue.
There is no "DEI money", it loses money.
@@mat.b. They get huge amounts of fake, printed money from financial institutions like Blackrock, which is heavily into DEI.
@@mat.b.When investment companies give out money based on political quid pro quos rather than profitability, losing money is not their concern.
Unlike Disney but like Apple , Amazon is actually cash rich so they don't need DEI money per se . They could continue to fund the show for some tax loop hole purpose , they probably don't even truly care if breaks even or not.
Eventually, revenue speaks for itself
When it became apparent that they were going to make this show to the "left" of Jackson's LOTR the writing was on the wall.
I appreciate how much you have used restrained language. Very civilised! I gave up watching half way thru s1 e3. Life is too short. 😊
Here's my answer: NO.
Too much money vested in gas lighting the fandom.
Sunk cost fallacy fersure. Jeffy B's ego is also too big to admit failure
@@Annatar_Lord_of_Gifts I wonder if his son is watching it since apparently he's a fan of Tolkien.
they can afford to keep it running to make their point since they have all the money in the world
@@Rare.99
That's exactly what I've been telling people for years. They make more than a billion dollars a day from their online retail business. That's not counting profits from their web hosting services.
The reason they don’t care about failure is because it’s The Revolution.
one thats failing as everyone now knows the playbook.
Its not a Critical failure. Bezos has paid enough critics.
War of the Rohirrim doesn’t look much better.
Nah, this thing is done. The wind is turning. Slowly, but is turning.
Nope it's a hit and getting another season.
@@jonfreeman9682 Lol, actual Amazon shill. Amazing stuff, though I'm not sure you're worth the 50c per post.
@@Arcessitor He actually is a shill. Hes all over saying it a success when it clearly not.
My question is this: what story do the showrunners think they are going to tell in seasons 3-5?? 1.5 seasons in, and it's already a slow, muddled mess. What is the overall story arc they are going for, and does it require 5 seasons? OR, did they start with getting approved for 5 seasons and they are backing their 'story' into that expectation? I think it's the latter, unfortunately...
They should have done one story line per season. It would still be terrible , but at least it would be better structured.
Now ,they are jumping around between story lines and not fully developing any of them . They wanted to copy the Game of Thrones format and it's a mess.
Not until it becomes more expensive to keep it on the air than it is to break the five season contract they have.
I had an exchange with European Lore about this very topic just after Season 1 dropped. He argued Amazon will let them do three seasons, I aimed at two.
MSM reported the showrunners having three-seasons contracts back in Spring this year so it's likely Seb was correct but... I still don't lose hope.
My assessment is Amazon will watch audience response VERY closely in following weeks and after finale premiere. If The Acolyte shill debacle repeats here, that may affect Amazon's final judgment.
This is why I have serious doubts about the upcoming animated Ride of the Rohirrim.
don´t do this, Dave. don´t give us hope.
They need a term for anti-fan fiction. Like, fiction by people who don't LIKE the source material.
That's what we're getting in a lot of shows now.
If it wasn't written by Tolkien it's not canon
I’m glad that I grew up in a time when under-a-million viewers might be what a popular rerun on local television might bring in the metropolitan New York City region, and any moderate to hit show would be seen by a fifth, a quarter, or even a third of the US population. I’ve often tended for more boutique things in music, film, literature, etc (when the highest quality exists), but there’s something to be said for a large shared popular/middlebrow cultural experience. That we have become so Balkanized that a BILLION DOLLARS can be even contemplated for a series that brings in a million (or even five million) viewers is a sad state of affairs
You forgot one critical difference: Disney has suffered too many financial failures not to rein things in. They simply ran out of money and cannot afford to plow the message at a loss anymore.
But Amazon has unlimited funds to burn if they decide their corporate pride would be hurt too much by not finishing all five seasons.
My guess would be 3 seasons in total.
It would be so big L for Amazon so they rather keep paying. They are so big multicorp that loses are just a tax deduction 🤔
I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that what we are dealing with here is a failure to communicate. What we need to communicate to these people is that we don’t care what they do anymore. No more getting angry, no more insulting them no more showing them any emotion other than laughing in their face. I think it’s their tasking to make us miserable. The more angry we are the more they push us with the demolishing of our loved franchises. They need to see results one way or another and they will not stop until the no longer see any results whatsoever. They will go away if ignored.
Oh there's communicate alright. It's all in the metrics. You watch it lives. You don't watch it gets cancelled. UA-camr comments don't matter. The numbers decide if a show lives or dies. Amazon cancelled a show I liked. Outer range got great reviews from critics and fans but nobody watches so it's cancelled after 2 seasons. Netflix is even worse. They cancel shows with no mercy if they don't meet numbers.
@@jonfreeman9682 I watched that show too and I really enjoyed it for the most part. I thought it was a great concept and that it was going somewhere. As a First Nations person tho I didn’t like how they portrayed my people with the wokeness and that lesbo cop.
@@jasonvoorhees8545 Yeah every show has LGBTQ now. They even put that in Disney cartoon Buzz Lightyear. But I was hoping Outer Range would get a third season to explain the time travel. I also subscribe to AMC as I'm a fan of the walking dead, really dumb show, but they have a great series called Dark Winds about Navajo police detectives starring the amazing Zahn McClarnon. I'm not sure how accurate it portrays real life tribal police but I thought the show was well done. 👌🏻
No unfortunately. Unlike Disney, Amazon is too big to fall and has a lot amount of money to greenlighted good shows or awful shows and not caring if people watch it or not since people will still buy stuff off from Amazon.
Just think if amazon had taken all the money spent on this series and used it to give warehouse employees better wages and working conditions. Wouldn't that have done more for women and minorities?
4:01 That’s not all that’s in her.
No one would notice, because no one is watching.😂😂😂
I actually think Amazon will double down after the show ends and start producing smaller scale spinoff shows that somehow worse like the Witcher did with Blood Origins.
Depends if fans want it. Witcher started great but went downhill. The less said about blood origins the better.
@@jonfreeman9682 Witcher started with a BLACKED scene for Yennefer. It was never on a peak high enough to go downhill.
Canceling would be admitting a mistake, which can never happen. The most likely scenario is a scramble behind the scenes to wrap it up next year and announce: "this show was always intended to run three seasons, where did you get the idea that it was five?"
As long as Jeff Bezos allows Jennifer Salke to run Amazon MGM Studios. This show will run five years
Please...cast it to the fire of mount doom
Amazon as a company cares about one thing above all else; money. This show HAS to be hemorrhaging money. I predict (hope) it will be cancelled after the second season.
What I'd really like to see is that they put the show into hiatus after S2, fire EVERYONE involved, get some competent writers and producers and retcon seasons 1 and 2 into the dustbin of history. But the odds of that happening are nil.
"A dOg MaY bArK aT tHe MoOn, BuT hE cAnNoT bRiNg It DoWn."
Shakespeare-level writing, guys. I'm not sure how they're going to top this. 🙄
they have to keep the propaganda going, no matter the costs
The tv show will vanish into the ocean of dross in time.Tolkiens literary work will live on permanently.
The biggest problem right out of the gate is that, to my knowledge, Amazon didn't buy the rights to the Silmarilion, so they literally don't have enough rights to tell the actual events that Tolkien created, and they have to do this farcical Frankenstein monster of a story that in many cases literally copy and pastes content from Lotr and the Jackson movies word for word.
Any executive should have immediately asked "do you have the rights to the downfall of Numenor story? No? Then we won't make that story into a show will we?" But for some reason that didn't happen and we are left with an abomination.
They bought the rights but Tolkien's books only tells the main story. This prequel was created by screenwriters using his notes when he created the story.
@jonfreeman9682 I am pretty sure Amazon does not have the rights to the Silmarillion, which is the book that has the full story of the events around the rise and fall of Numenor. Amazon is basically working with whatever info they can glean from the Lotr appendices and then trying to copy the look and feel of the Jackson films.
The thing, though, is that the show has ALREADY stepped in the "forbidden pool" of rights. By copying and pasting (and straight up copying LOTR scenes), they HAVE essentially already violated rights they don't have. Yes, that helps with the consistency issue they have with the show, but at the same time it might also wander into the waters that some might argue is straight up plagiarism. It ALSO creates an impenetrable barrier for the writer(s) - how exactly are you supposed to world build in a world where you aren't ALLOWED to use anything that MADE the world because you don't have rights to ANYTHING?
They will be remembered for producing number two. Lots and lots of number two, piles of it in fact.
You know, I have to be honest, we shouldn’t all sit down and wait the downfall of a show…
…but this shit is the alternative so pass the popcorn, at least it’s entertaining!
I mean, I hope there's another season. The memes and content it inspires is very entertaining. 😅
Rings Of Power should never have been greenlit or written.
It is so expensive yet it looks so cheap: from costume design to acting.
Second season's costumes look a bit better, though. I would be interesting to know if that is STILL more or less the same budget, or whether there was an increase in budget, because I'm sure a LOT of people will want to know where all that money went in the first season.
Remember, many people tried to adapt lord of the rings to film and failed. The anomaly was
Peter Jackson, his adaptation was celebrated for succeeding and then he failed with the hobbit. It is a hard feat to create anything in this Tolkien world, and this when cinematic writing is at a low creative point .
There are many successes and they all succeed in their own way. But when adapting to TV format and film some changes are often made. But Peter Jackson trilogy was very well done.
Peter Jackson was celebrated for r#ping Tolkien’s characters.
@@reek4062 lol no. He was celebrated for staying true to the world and message. Aragorn being a reluctant hero changes very little, if anything, of substance.
The Hobbit would have been good if it was only one movie. But corporate greed forced Jackson to stretch it out into a trilogy, which required inventing new material to fill the gaps. As good as Jackson was at adapting Tolkien, and as much reverence as he had for his work, as soon as he was set loose on his own with no training wheels, he shit the bed. And he is gearing up to make the same mistakes all over again l with the upcoming Gollum movies. Now take all of the talent and reverence out of that equation, and you have Rings Of Power.
@@jakeviolet2195You have absolutely no clue what you’re talking about.
The show is designed to attract ESG bonuses, like tax breaks and investments by private funds. As long as they get enougj, they will go on.
The Acolyte and Rings of Power cancelled during the same season?
Don’t give me that kind of hope…..
I am still waiting for the Rings of Power - Acolyte crossover.
Lord of ring franchise rest in peace 1963-2024 👑🤴👸🧝♂️🧝♀️🧙♂️💍.
Lol 😅
Destroying something beautiful
They will happily waste billions
They will finish 5 seasons - it’s the message and ego - and that sweet sweet black rock money
This may be why Christopher Tolkien didn't like Peter Jackson's movies. He may have realized that things would escalate to the point of absurdity and people would not bother to read the actual books.
I think that season 3 will be a condensation of the planned seasons 3, 4 and 5.
To spite “the trolls” , they’ll spend at least a another $400,000,000
I noticed after S1, Amazon Prime raised its membership rate. Coincidence?
Well these shows ain't cheap.
Pls no! Nerdrotic would be devasted, poor guy!
I hope so. I think it's a possibility. THey are losing money
I saw bits of it. It's like watching paint dry.
Watch it stay on for the full 5 years and become the next Star Trek Discovery. That would be terrible indeed.
I think Amazon are happy to just spunk money into the void.
Well said.
Too much Rings of power, and NOT ENOUGH REACHER!
I wonder if those writers even read those books...My guess no...they couldn't of.
My childish guffaw @ 4:01 woke the next door neighbours, the kicker is, I live next door to the cemetery.
We can hope.
It had potential.
All they had to do was stick to the source material, not update it for 'Modern Audiences'.
It's still on?? Haha I had no idea 😂😂
We can only hope.....
One can only hope...
No way its getting a 3rd season.
I hope so. It don't have purpose . It's not entertaining Its wasting money.Dont have quality.
One does not simply: flush a flotter