@@zartic4lifeeven adjusted for inflation all three films, the LoTR trilogy comes in at roughly $500M on a high estimate. Just the rights to this show cost Amazon half that, and there's roughly a billion dollars worth of show that they've made so far. If you break it down to individual films, even RoTK had a budget of $100M less than just the rights to RoP. Yes, Jackson had a fraction the money to work with
@zartic4life also, don't forget you must apply inflation to RoP too, if you've watched rates from the last 4 years. Not much, but pushes it just that much further away from the originals in terms of budget
@@PBRatLord Actually, using the BLS' inflation calculator (so the "optimistic" official inflation as per the US Federal Government) - there's almost 21% of inflation from September '21 to August '24 which is unfortunately not exactly "not much"
And they also tried to make it grey rather than good v evil but that doesn’t at all work for Tolkien. They’re trying to humanize orcs and Sauron and villainize elves.. it’s just a bad fanfiction from people who think they’re better than Tolkien
Snarky, I will cue up the whole extended version of Peter Jackson's LotR and feed you pealed grapes throughout. All you have to do is show up. Sincerely, pretty much every nerd alive.
Like legit, those were SIMPLER, but the writers weren't retarded. There's a difference between simplifying a complex situation, like trying to figure out the identity of the bad guy criminal, and just writing abject nonsense. They're not stupid enough to have the criminal go "By the way I'm the criminal, see ya later" And then the characters go "Man, WHO is the criminal? We gotta find out."
Not-Galadriel walking around the orc camp unseen with the hood over her head had the same energy as that time Obi-wan was smuggling little Leia under his oversized coat.
The ONE fucking time they could've made her canonically cool. Because Elves are supposed to be incredibly graceful to an almost supernatural degree. It'd make sense that she could in a really cool way sneak through an entire orc camp, so long as there was like other shit going on to keep them a bit disorderly. But she's too fucking stupid to TIE UP HER HAIR! For fuck's sake, is she the bestest evar or not!?!?!?!!?!?
I mean, the fact snarky hasnt seen LOTR even still, is pretty unacceptable. If you're going to be a fantasy reviewer, how can you go without seeing one of the best trilogies of all time. Literally of all time. Inexcusable.
6 minutes in to the video and she has offered nothing to the conversation other than "I haven't watched the lord of the rings trilogy" and "I haven't even watched the rings of power episode that we are currently discussing" I'm not sure why she is even there?
This episode looks to me like an IQ test. You are Adar and want to kill Sauron. In your Orc camp is Galadriel who also wants to kill Sauron. You both know that Sauron is alone in an Elven city 1 km away. What do you do ? 1) You kill Galadriel and attack the Elves. 2) You return to Mordor because your army wants to go back to wives and children. 3) You escort Galadriel to the city where she, as Commander of the Northern Armies, gathers the Elven soldiers and kills Sauron. 4) You do nothing and wait till something happens.
The correct thing would be to do 3 first, then 2, then 4, and bypass 1 unless something happens that makes it necessary to perform. I'd be surprised by anything other than 1 being done, though.
For all its missteps, the Hobbit trilogy did at least try to respect Tolkien’s work. Rings of Power is what you get when modern writers arrogantly believe their vision is better than that of the original source material.
For all its missteps, the Hobbit trilogy did at least try to respect Tolkien’s work. Rings of Power is what you get when modern writers arrogantly believe their vision is better than that of the original source material.
Technically they could have done this with the Numenoreans, Ar-Pharazon and Miriel are supposed to be cousins (He forcibly marries her to get the throne, she's entirely secondary, but it is noted how even this forced marriage was abnormal because of how closely related they were).
Nope, participation trophies came from putting women in positions of power and then thinking everyone equal when we aren’t and that goes back to letting women vote. Huge mistake. Everything came from there. Women shouldn’t run society. If you google ubisoft and studio 343 and other Disney companies for entertainment and video games. ITS ALMOST ALL MIDDLE AGE WOMEN WITH DYED HAIR ITS FUCKING CRAZY. Then we wonder why entertainment sucks now.
Elrond stops the charge to save Guyladriel...5 minutes later ...Elrond tells Adar he can take her life. So charge wasted, war lost, 1000s of elves gone because Elrond changed his mind in 5 minutes over a Karen
Yeah, mostly agree. Still not a fan of The Hobbit Trilogy, mainly because it was turned into a trilogy! Also sad that Rings of Power managed to be even worse then then those three movies.
Not to worry; if future alien archaeologists are smart enough to come here, and then uncover an artifact like the Rings of Power show, and comprehend what it's supposed to be/the story it's trying to tell, they'll also be able to realize that the race behind its creation had to have been far smarter than the particular people who made this show. Even if they never uncover any other, better shows, including Jackson's trilogy. Simple logic would dictate that this show could not be made without ages of brilliance building up to the creation of the technology used.
It's like that episode of Futurama where Fry spills beer on some control panel in the year 2000 and ruins the airing of an episode of Single Female Lawyer, so aliens invade 1000 years later because they're mad they didn't get to see that episode when it finally made it there 1000 light years away. Except in this case, they'll invade us simply to stop the signal from getting to their planet anymore. Or they'll want future humans to re-write the whole thing.
You had one job, Rings of Power, and you blew it. Most fantasy battles are easy to execute; provided you have the right people to make it believable. 🎉
One reason why the Germans could defeat other armies in the first years of WW2, is that they put a radio receiver in every one of their tanks. It made a huge difference that everybody could be reliably and immediately told what to do. So, in a horseback army I would expect to see a system of flags. A single person yelling is not good enough.
ROP is like an onion of stupidity. It’s got layers of dumb to it. It’s not even well written on its own merits. I’ve had plenty of ROP stans try to tell me I’m just a lore purist or don’t have good taste( Yes. Someone claimed this. I wish I was joking). My response is that I don’t need to know the lore to know this is poorly made. When you have to use metaphors every other line, make nightime scenes hard to follow, have characters act inconsistently from episode to episode, incoherent distance and timelines etc. I can claim this series is badly written. I’m not using lore. I’m using what the series has provided me. If folks want to enjoy this series, be my guest. But we aren’t the ones who wrote this series. So it’s not our fault it sucks.
There was no way in Middle Earth an army of elves on horseback IN THE MIDDLE OF A FULL CHARGE, could stop on a dime like that. Thank god I wasn't drinking anything or I might have done a spit take!
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Some people maybe just dont like fantasy and are more into science fiction, then even an extraordinary fantasy movie isn't probably that interesting to them
People should realize the only reason most of these shows/movies get 'greenlit' and made is to propagandize to impressionable adolescents, their 'modern audience'. It was never about providing world-class, quality entertainment for fans. The shows are an advertisement for 'UN Policy Initiatives'. Diversity, Immigration, Depopulation, Female & Alphabet Empowerment & Enterprise, Justice & Order, Environmental Advocacy, Employment, Climate Change, Food Security , Clean Water, Resource Management, Equitable Governance and don't forget Entomophagy!
Yea, I do find it hilarious that the clouds just cover the Orc army perfectly. No reason behind it of course within the show, unless Sauron is doing that, because there's no other explanation. Morgoth and Sauron would both do that for their armies to give them cover from sunlight (Saruman's Uruk-Hai didn't need it because he made them to withstand sunlight) . . . but Adar knows he doesn't have anyone in his service to do this . . . so why would the clouds be so perfectly following them, UNLESS it was Sauron? In which case he should be thinking: "Hmmmm, clouds don't act this way and didn't act this way the entire time we were fighting previously, maybe he wants me to do this?" Which is the whole ridiculousness of Adar's plot and how he simultaneously knows yet doesn't know what Sauron's doing, and is just playing right into his hands even though he supposedly is familiar enough with Sauron to know how he acts. Lance also hit on the point I thought of as well seeing the whole mountain BS: if the mountain is that fragile, why not just shoot the cliff face directly ABOVE the whole damn city, and cause avalanches of tons of rock? Even if you don't hit the entire city, you'll bury at least half of it, which will almost certainly include wherever Celebrimbor's forge is! Celebrimbor is entirely bastardized as a character. Because they did the Rings in reverse order AND are doing the Sacking of Eregion simultaneously, he has NO WAY to redeem his character. He was SUPPOSED to figure out that Anatar was Sauron BEFORE he finishes the Three Elven Rings, hence why he alters them and why they don't work as Sauron intended, and Sauron REALLY wanted those ones to work because he considered the Elves to be his greatest threat, hence why the Three were made last, all of the others were 'practice'. Sauron figures out they were altered, when he tests out the One Ring right after he forges it, senses the Three didn't work, and realizes: "Celebrimbor must have screwed me". THEN he goes and leads his formed up Orc army to sack Eregion, and kill Celebrimbor, personally. Celebrimbor still dies no matter what, but he gets those moments of actual defiance where he upsets Sauron's plan after realizing he was tricked for so long. An echo of Feanor and his sons' defiance against Morgoth. Here? That can't happen. Oh, he hands the Nine Rings off to Galadriel . . . so what? That doesn't change the nature of the Nine, we know where they end up, on the hands of the Ringwraiths, Sauron's most terrible servants. All this means is somewhere along the line here Galadriel will screw-up again, and the Nine Rings will end up one way or another, where they're supposed to be, partially because of her now because they handed them off to her because now. Meaning Celebrimbor's defiance here amounts to NOTHING. He realized his mistake, for NOTHING. He'll die a pathetic character who had no chance to amend his mistake, and what he did do amounts to merely delaying the inevitable, instead of fixing what he could despite being tricked and thus saving the greatest of his race in Middle-Earth from eternal servitude to a Fallen Maia.
The show writers either didn't have the time or didn't care to really read the material. It feels like a show made from cliff notes of Tolkien. Like a quick glimpse through The Hobbit, the three books of LOTR and the Silmarillion with no time to digest the material. I went back and watched the trilogy again and the difference is blaringly obvious.
It is not hard to get a medieval/fantasy battle to feel epic. LOTR pulled it off in back to back films with huge epic long sieges that you could feel the tides constantly turning. How each side plans, makes mistakes, makes intelligent smart decisions in response to whatever the enemy is doing and so on. Hell you can fcking cheat, take a battle from history or siege from history and just copy and paste it in. Add in whatever mini epic or dramatic moments for characters as you want and bam you got yourself a battle. ROP battles have huge flaws, no understandable scale, many scenes are lacking the numbers that should be there, we see what only a dozen men manning the walls and what a few hundred orcs running alone from each other, no formations or battle tactics and finally we're lacking in fantasy creatures. Where are the trolls? Where are other nasty evil creatures that could be called on? Look at all the massive battles in history, men move in lines and stick in formations. That is the only thing that keeps you alive in these kind of fights. We don't even understand the geography of the city or fields around it and so the battle is boring and meaningless because we can't understand it. You fcking kidding me? This is what writers can do, DRAW A FCKING MAP ON A PIECE OF PAPER! Map it out, draw it out. This is one of the basics of fantasy. You map out cities and battles in huge detail.
Exactly! Tolkien's battle of Pelenor fields draws from historical battles, including a Hungarian army arriving to help lift the siege of Krakov by the Mongols in 1287.
I mean they had farmers defend a village at the bottom of some hills in the first season. The people involved with this show don't even understand the basic concept of firing arrows into a village from the hills that surround it. Trying a battle on a larger scale was just asking far too much of their abilities. Although the lack of tactical acumen on Adar's part in that episode seems to be continuing in this episode so yeah for consistency.
How would the orcs have had enough time to kill galadriel in a steel cage with 10,000 elves riding down on them on horses at 30 mph? That cage would have been surrounded and all the orcs dead around her within seconds.
Galadriel hiding herself from orks is nonsense. She should have walked through them shining with power and they would have began killing each other to get closer to her.
Rings of power = biggest money laundering project to date. Why have snarky in this conversation? My advice is go watch the OG trilogy and watch some lore videos to understand the gravity of how big of a deal it is that this show failed so miserably.
Lance comments that he wanted it to be good. ME TOO! My friends and I were absolutely STOKED when LotR by Bakshi was coming out. We were super excited. And then, well... Bakshi made it. Ouch. We got burned so badly by Bakshi, that when the Peter Jackson trilogy was announced, we were honestly scared. It turned out awesome! The Hobbit trilogy... not awesome, but (and I'll fight you if you want) I enjoyed all three movies. Not great, but I liked them. They captured the "spirit" of Middle Earth (for me). So I was excited to hear a "big money" series was coming. But from the moment of the first info, the first press articles, the first interviews, I was again terrified. All of my fears have been revealed. For your part in this desecration of Tolkien, I condemn you Jeff Bezos! The Gods will determine your fate, but I (sadly) hope it is painful.
Why is someone on the panel who doesn't know LOTR? It's kind of a waste of space where someone else could have contributed. And a bit awkward for the person who doesn't know what everyone's talking about 😄
I guess I understand why people are glomming onto Rings. They're starved for action/fantasy and this is better than nothing...actually it's NOT, but I don't want to Streisand- effect this Amazon crap.
It's rather impressive how a seemingly small change such as the order in which the rings were crafted can have such staggering consequences to the internal consistency of the story, but RoP proved conclusively that such seemingly small details matter. The three elven rings were forged last, after Sauron had fled Eregion when his true nature was under threat of discovery, and while they were still partially tainted due to being forged with the craft that Sauron had taught him, the three elven rings were by far the most powerful of all the rings save for the One Ring itself. Celebrimbor also forged all the other rings with the intention of them being worn by the elves, he nor Sauron ever had any intention of giving them to the dwarves or to men as that was a later altering of Sauron's plan due to the elves becoming suspicious of him. Yet here... the nine rings specifically meant for men come last... and after Celebrimbor becomes aware of Sauron's true nature... so Celebrimbor has NO REASON to forge those rings, none at all. He should and _would_ have stared right at Sauron and said "No" and would have died before he knowingly forged evil rings of that sort. Yet here, he's fully aware that he's making evil rings, and all he has to say about it is effectively "Alright fine I'll make your evil rings... but I'm very upset about this situation I'll have you know"
I like how no one gets out alive, every character HAS to be vandalized beyond measure. It's like watching a tsunami coming in, the destruction, waiting as the water goes out again and then a BIGGER tsunami comes. And it's just a cycle, you want to follow the destruction in awe. You want to drive slowly by the accident and in your mind you want to know, how, where did the car flip over, how many times, how did it catch on fire, did anyone survive, you are counting the cars in the pile up... 99... 100...? The spectacle is in not questioning how much more terrible this can be, but how the writers will execute it because you know they will find a way. It's like you surviving a plane crash or parachute not opening, but the doctor says you have inoperable cancer, and your house burned down, and the IRS have sent you an indictment, and in your hotel room you just want to sleep... but then aliens take you and probe you and they say sorry, we ran out of anesthesia. At this point you'd be like, being it on... BRING IT! How much worse can it get... and the universe surprises you because that's what it does.
I wonder where all that money went. That battle was just awful, not only because of the writing, but also because of the astonishing lack of epicness. - Hours (or days? there never is any sense of time in this show) after the attack began, there are still the same 12 people running left and right in the same place, like headless chicken, not like 100s or 1000s years old elves who have seen many wars. - Eregion is one of the elves strongholds in Middle-Earth and they have like 10 soldiers on the walls to defend the capital city? Where are all the inhabitants of that huge city? There must be thousands or even tens of thousands of elves be living in a city of that size. - Magic mountains and magic river ... oookeyyyy - Epic moment: The army of the elves appears. It looks like a decent sized, well armed and armored actual army. I am having hopes. - Cavalry attack stopped within 10 meters in front of the enemy line. Well that worked out great, looks like the army is very disciplined, can hold formation and magically stop gallopping horses instantly - fine. But very anti-climactic. Just when it started to get good it was already over. - Boring Galadriel escape takes ages and contributes nothing to the story, should have been a 40 second scene - Cavalry decides to attack in dense forest. Not a great idea for cavalry. - Incompetent 12 elve soldiers on the wall need lowly smith apprentice to boss them around and make them aware of giant siege weapon - Asian elven lady does a Boromir - Orcs massacre elven army, alleged captain of the army Elrond sits in the mud and is sad, does nothing for 10 minutes of screen time (one hour in show time maybe?). - Elves do not retreat behind the walls after destroying the siege weapon, prefer to commit suicide by orc - Because Elrond is sad, elven king orders elves to form ranks. I am getting somewhat hopeful again. Those elves have proven to be highly disciplined and able to hold a formation, even in the middle of a cavalry attack. This is gonna be epic! - 7 elves do not get into formation, where is the rest of the hundreds or maybe thousands of the elven army? Are they all dead already? 7 elves jump into the mass of attacking orcs. Elrond is sad. Worst battle ever. Compare this to the battle at Helm's Deep. The defenders are only human, not old and wise and experienced elven warriors. They are afraid, but they don their armour and weapons and man the walls, scared but ready to fight to the death. Women and children are terrified, but they do not go ape-chicken, they hide and listen to what is happening outside. Nobody is running aimlessly left and right and left again for hours and hours. The Uruks march in close formation and shout encouragement and bash their weapons against their shields and stomp their pikes like one man, none of them goes to their commander and asks in a whiny voice if they really have to attack this fortress, because, you know, many will die, and the union is against it, and safety regulations and stuff .....
Cavalry is for breaking up formations for other troops to then deal with them... The English Spear(???) formations at one point got sassy enough to reform and turn around instead of running away like most in the face of a Cavalry charge....
I didn't think it was so bad. After all, it was a mystery science theater 3000 show, wasn't it? Oh, wait. You mean we were supposed to take that seriously? My bad.
People, you must decide: if Sauron just uses a wing to disguise himself is stupid, but if Galadriel uses a coat to do it is also as lame? -Writers rooms opinion, probably.
when the elves were charging i was pretty pumped because at last there was going to be something epic or epic adjacent in this show. then i saw the orcs wheeling something out and i just couldnt help but laugh, i was like "i knew it!! it was too good to be true, of course these idiots are gonna fuck up a simple cavalry charge, of course its gonna be galadriel underneath the sheet, of course they're gonna hit the breaks and of course its gonna be cringe as fuck" and it was. it was so so stupid.
Maybe that was just a bad translation because i watch the show in German, but did Celebrimbor really order to strengthen the foundations of the wall while it was being breached? How many elves do you need to reinforce the foundations of a giant city wall within let's say one month? Because time doesn't really exist in this show, and there is totally time enough to work on the effing foundations of a wall that will probably collapse within the next few minutes.
Wait a minute?! Are you suggesting that rings of power actually made sense somewhere among the shit so far 😱. I do not believe it... i can not believe it!
Not watching the lord of the rings trilogy and calling yourself a movie critic is like calling yourself a mechanic but not knowing how an engine works.
That part that gets to me is how Elrond non discreetly removed his pin in front of everyone, and then the orc holding Galadriel says he ain't armed but somehow missed Elrond removing his pin.
i was the same way when the 2 fake elfs died i cheered! was best eps yet :D now.. can they pls do the same to the Harfoots that would make this show 100 times better :)
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When you realize that Jackson’s trilogy is over 20 years old and had a fraction of the budget, and they’re a million times better than this series.
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It didn't have a fraction of the budget it was massive you need adjust your brain for inflation but it was still less then Amazons total costs.
@@zartic4lifeeven adjusted for inflation all three films, the LoTR trilogy comes in at roughly $500M on a high estimate.
Just the rights to this show cost Amazon half that, and there's roughly a billion dollars worth of show that they've made so far.
If you break it down to individual films, even RoTK had a budget of $100M less than just the rights to RoP.
Yes, Jackson had a fraction the money to work with
@zartic4life also, don't forget you must apply inflation to RoP too, if you've watched rates from the last 4 years. Not much, but pushes it just that much further away from the originals in terms of budget
@@PBRatLord Actually, using the BLS' inflation calculator (so the "optimistic" official inflation as per the US Federal Government) - there's almost 21% of inflation from September '21 to August '24 which is unfortunately not exactly "not much"
Elves were more dignified and disciplined even in the face of greater enemy numbers overwhelming them at the Battle of Helm's Deep.
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The DM was nerfing their attack and damage rolls.
Dignity was something that Jackson respected, and Amazon doesn't understand.
Amazon really trying too hard in making Tolkien's work to be Game of Thrones 2.0 in a nutshell.
nothing more nothing less.
Exactly they even made mention of it being, or supposedly being on that level.
And they also tried to make it grey rather than good v evil but that doesn’t at all work for Tolkien. They’re trying to humanize orcs and Sauron and villainize elves.. it’s just a bad fanfiction from people who think they’re better than Tolkien
@@Catherine.Dorian. THIS
and they didn’t want to pay for writers with even the smallest amount of writing ability
Galadriel and Elrond: 💋💋💋
Celeborn and Celebrian: 👁️ 👄 👁️
It's worse when you realise that he's kissing his mother in-law.
Snarky: I haven't watched the LOTR movies:
Me: Repent Heathen! *holding up DVD set of LOTR*
Cue the scene from Clockwork Orange with Malcolm McDowell watching the movie. "Okay, this Lord of the Ring!!"😳😳😳
She’s annoying af. We all know why people “like” her.
She’s useless without it.
True fans have blu-Ray extended editions. Fuckin’ poser
Snarky, I will cue up the whole extended version of Peter Jackson's LotR and feed you pealed grapes throughout. All you have to do is show up. Sincerely, pretty much every nerd alive.
I was the same but then the defiant part of me was like. You've come this far, you go girl 😂
i thought the major season 1 plotpoint is that those orcs can't fight in daylight 🤔yet they fight in daylight here no problemo 🤔
Eregion put on walls after S2 because contrivances
Adar leveled-up the Orc’s sunlight tolerance after completing his quest to capture Mordor.
And Sauron no longer breeds red blood as Halbrand in S1 but for some reason turned into Venom with black venom blood 😂
I'm not entirely unconvinced the script was not at least 50% A.I. generated.
How dare you insult those poor mindless software algorithms by insinuating they write as badly as this.
Nah, 100% Genuine Stupidity
6:30 now that's just an insult on Saturday morning cartoons. Then again those aren't really a thing anymore.
Like legit, those were SIMPLER, but the writers weren't retarded.
There's a difference between simplifying a complex situation, like trying to figure out the identity of the bad guy criminal, and just writing abject nonsense.
They're not stupid enough to have the criminal go "By the way I'm the criminal, see ya later" And then the characters go "Man, WHO is the criminal? We gotta find out."
Not-Galadriel walking around the orc camp unseen with the hood over her head had the same energy as that time Obi-wan was smuggling little Leia under his oversized coat.
The ONE fucking time they could've made her canonically cool.
Because Elves are supposed to be incredibly graceful to an almost supernatural degree. It'd make sense that she could in a really cool way sneak through an entire orc camp, so long as there was like other shit going on to keep them a bit disorderly. But she's too fucking stupid to TIE UP HER HAIR! For fuck's sake, is she the bestest evar or not!?!?!?!!?!?
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." - Shakespeare.
@@DarthDevorin EXACTLY
I mean, the fact snarky hasnt seen LOTR even still, is pretty unacceptable. If you're going to be a fantasy reviewer, how can you go without seeing one of the best trilogies of all time. Literally of all time. Inexcusable.
6 minutes in to the video and she has offered nothing to the conversation other than "I haven't watched the lord of the rings trilogy" and "I haven't even watched the rings of power episode that we are currently discussing"
I'm not sure why she is even there?
@@mikehunt4265 You are aware that this is a cut of a longer video where they talked about different stuff?
@@dredeth no I was not aware of that
yeah I heard that and immediately wrote her off lol
This episode looks to me like an IQ test.
You are Adar and want to kill Sauron. In your Orc camp is Galadriel who also wants to kill Sauron. You both know that Sauron is alone in an Elven city 1 km away.
What do you do ?
1) You kill Galadriel and attack the Elves.
2) You return to Mordor because your army wants to go back to wives and children.
3) You escort Galadriel to the city where she, as Commander of the Northern Armies, gathers the Elven soldiers and kills Sauron.
4) You do nothing and wait till something happens.
The correct thing would be to do 3 first, then 2, then 4, and bypass 1 unless something happens that makes it necessary to perform.
I'd be surprised by anything other than 1 being done, though.
@@wilhelminawill9495 Excellent answer which shows that your IQ is approximately 3 times the combined IQ of the writers of the show :)
All of a sudden the hobbit is looking like a master piece in comparison to this
For all its missteps, the Hobbit trilogy did at least try to respect Tolkien’s work. Rings of Power is what you get when modern writers arrogantly believe their vision is better than that of the original source material.
For all its missteps, the Hobbit trilogy did at least try to respect Tolkien’s work. Rings of Power is what you get when modern writers arrogantly believe their vision is better than that of the original source material.
The drinker and I adopted an orc and named him mork 👹
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Na-Nu, Na-nu 👋🏽
Get him a brother named Gork then you'll 'ave a propah foight. WAAAAGH
@@dretchlord873 up the irons mate
@@ScooBdont rest in peace Robin Williams 😢
Seems like this show is trying to be GoT so badly it starts tip-toeing on the edge of incest. So far just mother in law but….
I’ve never watched GOT and I certainly don’t plan on watching Rings Of Power
Those elves sure are dirty, ja?
Unlike RoP, GoT has never been boring and lifeless.
Technically they could have done this with the Numenoreans, Ar-Pharazon and Miriel are supposed to be cousins (He forcibly marries her to get the throne, she's entirely secondary, but it is noted how even this forced marriage was abnormal because of how closely related they were).
@@GideonRavenor712 it still may happen…
This is the result of giving kids participation awards.
Yeah. It's surely one part of the problem.
Nope, participation trophies came from putting women in positions of power and then thinking everyone equal when we aren’t and that goes back to letting women vote. Huge mistake. Everything came from there. Women shouldn’t run society. If you google ubisoft and studio 343 and other Disney companies for entertainment and video games. ITS ALMOST ALL MIDDLE AGE WOMEN WITH DYED HAIR ITS FUCKING CRAZY. Then we wonder why entertainment sucks now.
In the finale, it will be revealed that Annatar isn't Sauron after all, he is ... Hannah Montana!
That's insane enough to be right up rhe -writers'- word assemblers' alley.
The writers aren't that clever...
At least that would be entertaining 😂
A real heartfelt thanks to all the people that come on these streams....u guys have saved me so many hours of watching shit tv shows, I owe you a lot.
Snarky's interest during the conversation is like the audience of the Ring of Power! Its a boring show, for anyone even "normies"!
How can you like Tolkien and this show?! They're completely at odds.
Elrond stops the charge to save Guyladriel...5 minutes later ...Elrond tells Adar he can take her life. So charge wasted, war lost, 1000s of elves gone because Elrond changed his mind in 5 minutes over a Karen
Jay looked so bored. She should start watching LOTR on her desk the next time she's on.
Everyone to The Hobbit Trilogy: "Perhaps we treated you too harshly."
On further review, no, no we didn't. It's still bad, Rings of Power is just that much worse.
@@toms7114 I liked them, tbh
@@chasehedges6775 And that has nothing to do with their quality
Shit doesn't stop being shit just because there is bigger shit out there.
Yeah, mostly agree. Still not a fan of The Hobbit Trilogy, mainly because it was turned into a trilogy! Also sad that Rings of Power managed to be even worse then then those three movies.
i hope the aliens dont find a copy of this series a million years after the Trust Fund Brigade wipe out humanity, and judge us on it.... its not fair
Not to worry; if future alien archaeologists are smart enough to come here, and then uncover an artifact like the Rings of Power show, and comprehend what it's supposed to be/the story it's trying to tell, they'll also be able to realize that the race behind its creation had to have been far smarter than the particular people who made this show. Even if they never uncover any other, better shows, including Jackson's trilogy. Simple logic would dictate that this show could not be made without ages of brilliance building up to the creation of the technology used.
It's like that episode of Futurama where Fry spills beer on some control panel in the year 2000 and ruins the airing of an episode of Single Female Lawyer, so aliens invade 1000 years later because they're mad they didn't get to see that episode when it finally made it there 1000 light years away. Except in this case, they'll invade us simply to stop the signal from getting to their planet anymore. Or they'll want future humans to re-write the whole thing.
Rings of Power is just bad fan fiction nothing more nothing less
They brought her in like Taylor Swift getting to the stage.
You had one job, Rings of Power, and you blew it. Most fantasy battles are easy to execute; provided you have the right people to make it believable. 🎉
One reason why the Germans could defeat other armies in the first years of WW2, is that they put a radio receiver in every one of their tanks. It made a huge difference that everybody could be reliably and immediately told what to do. So, in a horseback army I would expect to see a system of flags. A single person yelling is not good enough.
ROP is like an onion of stupidity. It’s got layers of dumb to it. It’s not even well written on its own merits. I’ve had plenty of ROP stans try to tell me I’m just a lore purist or don’t have good taste( Yes. Someone claimed this. I wish I was joking). My response is that I don’t need to know the lore to know this is poorly made. When you have to use metaphors every other line, make nightime scenes hard to follow, have characters act inconsistently from episode to episode, incoherent distance and timelines etc. I can claim this series is badly written.
I’m not using lore. I’m using what the series has provided me. If folks want to enjoy this series, be my guest. But we aren’t the ones who wrote this series. So it’s not our fault it sucks.
"I don't want to hate the show. I am a big Tolkien fan." Great start for this segment. Lmao
There was no way in Middle Earth an army of elves on horseback IN THE MIDDLE OF A FULL CHARGE, could stop on a dime like that. Thank god I wasn't drinking anything or I might have done a spit take!
If you remember in the trilogy riders of rohan took a big turn to stop, like a proper horsriders.
"We Wuz Famleez" - Orcs
Hay COUZINZ - WE have come to conclusion Ring o PowerPuff iz only the bread to sell Amozon Baloney - tv shows have alwayz been aboot selling the commercialz 🍀🇨🇦⚜️
Seriously- how tf can you claim to be a nerd while actively refusing to watch LOTR? blows my mind.
Some people maybe just dont like fantasy and are more into science fiction, then even an extraordinary fantasy movie isn't probably that interesting to them
Lord of the Dorks
There are different kinds of nerds. Some are comic only. Some are Sci fi but no fantasy. Some are gamer needs, etc. Etc.
People should realize the only reason most of these shows/movies get 'greenlit' and made is to propagandize to impressionable adolescents, their 'modern audience'. It was never about providing world-class, quality entertainment for fans. The shows are an advertisement for 'UN Policy Initiatives'. Diversity, Immigration, Depopulation, Female & Alphabet Empowerment & Enterprise, Justice & Order, Environmental Advocacy, Employment, Climate Change, Food Security , Clean Water, Resource Management, Equitable Governance and don't forget Entomophagy!
Marketing iz everywhere for this monstrosity of Tolkien's story - just another IP to own 🍀🇨🇦⚜️
Did anybody notice that the Elvin armor is a cheap, very cheap knock offs of the Elvin armor at the prologue of Jackson's Fellowship.
Yea, I do find it hilarious that the clouds just cover the Orc army perfectly.
No reason behind it of course within the show, unless Sauron is doing that, because there's no other explanation.
Morgoth and Sauron would both do that for their armies to give them cover from sunlight (Saruman's Uruk-Hai didn't need it because he made them to withstand sunlight) . . . but Adar knows he doesn't have anyone in his service to do this . . . so why would the clouds be so perfectly following them, UNLESS it was Sauron? In which case he should be thinking: "Hmmmm, clouds don't act this way and didn't act this way the entire time we were fighting previously, maybe he wants me to do this?"
Which is the whole ridiculousness of Adar's plot and how he simultaneously knows yet doesn't know what Sauron's doing, and is just playing right into his hands even though he supposedly is familiar enough with Sauron to know how he acts.
Lance also hit on the point I thought of as well seeing the whole mountain BS: if the mountain is that fragile, why not just shoot the cliff face directly ABOVE the whole damn city, and cause avalanches of tons of rock? Even if you don't hit the entire city, you'll bury at least half of it, which will almost certainly include wherever Celebrimbor's forge is!
Celebrimbor is entirely bastardized as a character. Because they did the Rings in reverse order AND are doing the Sacking of Eregion simultaneously, he has NO WAY to redeem his character.
He was SUPPOSED to figure out that Anatar was Sauron BEFORE he finishes the Three Elven Rings, hence why he alters them and why they don't work as Sauron intended, and Sauron REALLY wanted those ones to work because he considered the Elves to be his greatest threat, hence why the Three were made last, all of the others were 'practice'.
Sauron figures out they were altered, when he tests out the One Ring right after he forges it, senses the Three didn't work, and realizes: "Celebrimbor must have screwed me". THEN he goes and leads his formed up Orc army to sack Eregion, and kill Celebrimbor, personally.
Celebrimbor still dies no matter what, but he gets those moments of actual defiance where he upsets Sauron's plan after realizing he was tricked for so long. An echo of Feanor and his sons' defiance against Morgoth.
Here? That can't happen. Oh, he hands the Nine Rings off to Galadriel . . . so what? That doesn't change the nature of the Nine, we know where they end up, on the hands of the Ringwraiths, Sauron's most terrible servants. All this means is somewhere along the line here Galadriel will screw-up again, and the Nine Rings will end up one way or another, where they're supposed to be, partially because of her now because they handed them off to her because now.
Meaning Celebrimbor's defiance here amounts to NOTHING. He realized his mistake, for NOTHING. He'll die a pathetic character who had no chance to amend his mistake, and what he did do amounts to merely delaying the inevitable, instead of fixing what he could despite being tricked and thus saving the greatest of his race in Middle-Earth from eternal servitude to a Fallen Maia.
Everything is a copy of a copy of a copy
Fight Club (1999)
The show writers either didn't have the time or didn't care to really read the material. It feels like a show made from cliff notes of Tolkien. Like a quick glimpse through The Hobbit, the three books of LOTR and the Silmarillion with no time to digest the material. I went back and watched the trilogy again and the difference is blaringly obvious.
Snarky, that’s ain’t funny. How dare you call yourself a reviewer, if you watch shit tv show and haven’t seen an epic trilogy
It is not hard to get a medieval/fantasy battle to feel epic. LOTR pulled it off in back to back films with huge epic long sieges that you could feel the tides constantly turning. How each side plans, makes mistakes, makes intelligent smart decisions in response to whatever the enemy is doing and so on. Hell you can fcking cheat, take a battle from history or siege from history and just copy and paste it in. Add in whatever mini epic or dramatic moments for characters as you want and bam you got yourself a battle.
ROP battles have huge flaws, no understandable scale, many scenes are lacking the numbers that should be there, we see what only a dozen men manning the walls and what a few hundred orcs running alone from each other, no formations or battle tactics and finally we're lacking in fantasy creatures. Where are the trolls? Where are other nasty evil creatures that could be called on? Look at all the massive battles in history, men move in lines and stick in formations. That is the only thing that keeps you alive in these kind of fights. We don't even understand the geography of the city or fields around it and so the battle is boring and meaningless because we can't understand it. You fcking kidding me? This is what writers can do, DRAW A FCKING MAP ON A PIECE OF PAPER! Map it out, draw it out. This is one of the basics of fantasy. You map out cities and battles in huge detail.
Exactly! Tolkien's battle of Pelenor fields draws from historical battles, including a Hungarian army arriving to help lift the siege of Krakov by the Mongols in 1287.
I mean they had farmers defend a village at the bottom of some hills in the first season. The people involved with this show don't even understand the basic concept of firing arrows into a village from the hills that surround it. Trying a battle on a larger scale was just asking far too much of their abilities.
Although the lack of tactical acumen on Adar's part in that episode seems to be continuing in this episode so yeah for consistency.
This show just proves that Middle Earth got fed up and got rid of all the DEI bs in the Third Age.
How would the orcs have had enough time to kill galadriel in a steel cage with 10,000 elves riding down on them on horses at 30 mph? That cage would have been surrounded and all the orcs dead around her within seconds.
Galadriel hiding herself from orks is nonsense. She should have walked through them shining with power and they would have began killing each other to get closer to her.
Why put yourself through this, I know why so we can listen to you absolutely roast this f--ing shit show. Keep going guys 👍
No amount of pipe weed would make rings of power good to watch I tried
Thumnail looks like Discount Willem Dafoe
Rings of power = biggest money laundering project to date. Why have snarky in this conversation? My advice is go watch the OG trilogy and watch some lore videos to understand the gravity of how big of a deal it is that this show failed so miserably.
They probably talked about other stuff too during the livestream
The Ding's with no Power
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The setup and payoff was busted.
Someone on the panel hasn't seen the Peter Jackson LOTR trilogy?
What then is her reference for well-made Tolkien productions?
They have a cave troll....
is this taken from a live stream or something ?
Yes
@@TheRonan92 where can i find it ?
Its his live channel called Drinkers Chasers
@@myheathenheart1259 cant find any recent live stream, unless its an older one cut in pieces
@kingvejita8827 It's streamed on Thursdays. If you aren't able to catch it live, you have to wait until he puts up the video on Sunday or Monday.
A WOMAN directed this!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
“A WOMAN IN A DRESS!”
- Terry Anne Blues, probably
And all female writers too! 😂
Lance comments that he wanted it to be good. ME TOO! My friends and I were absolutely STOKED when LotR by Bakshi was coming out. We were super excited. And then, well... Bakshi made it. Ouch. We got burned so badly by Bakshi, that when the Peter Jackson trilogy was announced, we were honestly scared. It turned out awesome! The Hobbit trilogy... not awesome, but (and I'll fight you if you want) I enjoyed all three movies. Not great, but I liked them. They captured the "spirit" of Middle Earth (for me). So I was excited to hear a "big money" series was coming. But from the moment of the first info, the first press articles, the first interviews, I was again terrified. All of my fears have been revealed. For your part in this desecration of Tolkien, I condemn you Jeff Bezos! The Gods will determine your fate, but I (sadly) hope it is painful.
Hard to believe people haven't watched LOTR yet. It's been 22yrs since FOTR came out!
Why is someone on the panel who doesn't know LOTR? It's kind of a waste of space where someone else could have contributed. And a bit awkward for the person who doesn't know what everyone's talking about 😄
I guess I understand why people are glomming onto Rings. They're starved for action/fantasy and this is better than nothing...actually it's NOT, but I don't want to Streisand- effect this Amazon crap.
It's rather impressive how a seemingly small change such as the order in which the rings were crafted can have such staggering consequences to the internal consistency of the story, but RoP proved conclusively that such seemingly small details matter.
The three elven rings were forged last, after Sauron had fled Eregion when his true nature was under threat of discovery, and while they were still partially tainted due to being forged with the craft that Sauron had taught him, the three elven rings were by far the most powerful of all the rings save for the One Ring itself. Celebrimbor also forged all the other rings with the intention of them being worn by the elves, he nor Sauron ever had any intention of giving them to the dwarves or to men as that was a later altering of Sauron's plan due to the elves becoming suspicious of him. Yet here... the nine rings specifically meant for men come last... and after Celebrimbor becomes aware of Sauron's true nature... so Celebrimbor has NO REASON to forge those rings, none at all. He should and _would_ have stared right at Sauron and said "No" and would have died before he knowingly forged evil rings of that sort. Yet here, he's fully aware that he's making evil rings, and all he has to say about it is effectively "Alright fine I'll make your evil rings... but I'm very upset about this situation I'll have you know"
Alternate title: Woman waits for four men to stop melting their brains over Rings of Power
(Not hating on y'all, just a funny scene).
I like how no one gets out alive, every character HAS to be vandalized beyond measure. It's like watching a tsunami coming in, the destruction, waiting as the water goes out again and then a BIGGER tsunami comes. And it's just a cycle, you want to follow the destruction in awe. You want to drive slowly by the accident and in your mind you want to know, how, where did the car flip over, how many times, how did it catch on fire, did anyone survive, you are counting the cars in the pile up... 99... 100...?
The spectacle is in not questioning how much more terrible this can be, but how the writers will execute it because you know they will find a way. It's like you surviving a plane crash or parachute not opening, but the doctor says you have inoperable cancer, and your house burned down, and the IRS have sent you an indictment, and in your hotel room you just want to sleep... but then aliens take you and probe you and they say sorry, we ran out of anesthesia. At this point you'd be like, being it on... BRING IT! How much worse can it get... and the universe surprises you because that's what it does.
I wonder where all that money went. That battle was just awful, not only because of the writing, but also because of the astonishing lack of epicness.
- Hours (or days? there never is any sense of time in this show) after the attack began, there are still the same 12 people running left and right in the same place, like headless chicken, not like 100s or 1000s years old elves who have seen many wars.
- Eregion is one of the elves strongholds in Middle-Earth and they have like 10 soldiers on the walls to defend the capital city? Where are all the inhabitants of that huge city? There must be thousands or even tens of thousands of elves be living in a city of that size.
- Magic mountains and magic river ... oookeyyyy
- Epic moment: The army of the elves appears. It looks like a decent sized, well armed and armored actual army. I am having hopes.
- Cavalry attack stopped within 10 meters in front of the enemy line. Well that worked out great, looks like the army is very disciplined, can hold formation and magically stop gallopping horses instantly - fine. But very anti-climactic. Just when it started to get good it was already over.
- Boring Galadriel escape takes ages and contributes nothing to the story, should have been a 40 second scene
- Cavalry decides to attack in dense forest. Not a great idea for cavalry.
- Incompetent 12 elve soldiers on the wall need lowly smith apprentice to boss them around and make them aware of giant siege weapon
- Asian elven lady does a Boromir
- Orcs massacre elven army, alleged captain of the army Elrond sits in the mud and is sad, does nothing for 10 minutes of screen time (one hour in show time maybe?).
- Elves do not retreat behind the walls after destroying the siege weapon, prefer to commit suicide by orc
- Because Elrond is sad, elven king orders elves to form ranks. I am getting somewhat hopeful again. Those elves have proven to be highly disciplined and able to hold a formation, even in the middle of a cavalry attack. This is gonna be epic!
- 7 elves do not get into formation, where is the rest of the hundreds or maybe thousands of the elven army? Are they all dead already? 7 elves jump into the mass of attacking orcs. Elrond is sad.
Worst battle ever. Compare this to the battle at Helm's Deep. The defenders are only human, not old and wise and experienced elven warriors. They are afraid, but they don their armour and weapons and man the walls, scared but ready to fight to the death. Women and children are terrified, but they do not go ape-chicken, they hide and listen to what is happening outside. Nobody is running aimlessly left and right and left again for hours and hours.
The Uruks march in close formation and shout encouragement and bash their weapons against their shields and stomp their pikes like one man, none of them goes to their commander and asks in a whiny voice if they really have to attack this fortress, because, you know, many will die, and the union is against it, and safety regulations and stuff .....
Cavalry is for breaking up formations for other troops to then deal with them... The English Spear(???) formations at one point got sassy enough to reform and turn around instead of running away like most in the face of a Cavalry charge....
It's like a Force Awakens. That should be a verb - they force awakens it.
I wanted it to be good, I was excited when I heard a show about Middle-Earth was in the works. That’s why I’m so upset about what we’ve been given.
There's nothing, imho, to like about it at all but fair play to Lance. He's a bigger man than I. This show is rubbish start-to-finish.
Arondir stabbed with a 2 meter sword from 10 cm, while his hugging Galadriel's wife.. how did he do? ...and yes Adar is Celeborn super spoiler
I didn't think it was so bad. After all, it was a mystery science theater 3000 show, wasn't it? Oh, wait. You mean we were supposed to take that seriously? My bad.
People, you must decide: if Sauron just uses a wing to disguise himself is stupid, but if Galadriel uses a coat to do it is also as lame?
-Writers rooms opinion, probably.
You can try to like, be constructive, don't matter, it's filmed. Stop setting your expectations so high especially after last season.
It's so thoroughly bad, so poorly laid out and written so dumb it's beyond explanation! Where do you start? Who approved this? Lol
Could have also broken the thumb instead of cutting ✂️✂️
when the elves were charging i was pretty pumped because at last there was going to be something epic or epic adjacent in this show. then i saw the orcs wheeling something out and i just couldnt help but laugh, i was like "i knew it!! it was too good to be true, of course these idiots are gonna fuck up a simple cavalry charge, of course its gonna be galadriel underneath the sheet, of course they're gonna hit the breaks and of course its gonna be cringe as fuck" and it was. it was so so stupid.
So the question is will Rings of power commit with Sauron's new banner after he sacks and destroys Eregon?
Forget horses, try to get 200 bicyclists to stop like that with all of them having in-ear radio communication.
Maybe that was just a bad translation because i watch the show in German, but did Celebrimbor really order to strengthen the foundations of the wall while it was being breached? How many elves do you need to reinforce the foundations of a giant city wall within let's say one month? Because time doesn't really exist in this show, and there is totally time enough to work on the effing foundations of a wall that will probably collapse within the next few minutes.
Wait a minute?! Are you suggesting that rings of power actually made sense somewhere among the shit so far 😱. I do not believe it... i can not believe it!
Not watching the lord of the rings trilogy and calling yourself a movie critic is like calling yourself a mechanic but not knowing how an engine works.
Wouldn't it be surprising if it did? When you regularly mess up stupidly it becomes pattern recognition.
I could have seen it 😂 I'm disappointed yet impressed at the same time snarky. I'd say stick to the guns you have come this far why not
If they had seen LoTR they would know it only takes 5 guys (im not sure how much the hobbits actually helped) to kill a troll 😂 trolls aint 💩
Woke WhamMen do not care about tactics. They are focused on shipping 🙄
As someone who watches classic Scooby-Doo, and even Jonny Quest, I can say they are better written than this sounds.
Calvary is effective over large, open fields; NOT in heavily dense forests! At this point, the Elves deserve to lose.
That part that gets to me is how Elrond non discreetly removed his pin in front of everyone, and then the orc holding Galadriel says he ain't armed but somehow missed Elrond removing his pin.
I love how the Orc Catapults can destroy a mountain, but they can't figure out to aim them at the weaker city wall.
Orc looking at Galadriel in a cloak : "Look at that orc walking tall. I wish I could have posture like that."
Hold on, am I seriously the only one who noticed the kung fu horse? That was the funniest thing I've ever seen
i was the same way when the 2 fake elfs died i cheered! was best eps yet :D
now.. can they pls do the same to the Harfoots that would make this show 100 times better :)
So why was Snarky there? She had nothing to contribute to the conversation because she didn't know what they were talking about.
You know Galadriel survives/escapes since she's a main character in the future, so where's the sense of concern for her character?
Beez Pos asked for a list of great scenes and gave it to the writers. "Gi've me , give me, give me" he cries like a toddler..
Kelebron cosplaying Mandarin could be pretty dope.
How has snarky jay not watched LOTR?
11:13 "--you just put your lips together and blow"😂
Those weren't orcs shooting arrows into the elf lady, it was all friendly fire.
Them making elves more human like is just not good elves are a different kinda of creation than humans
I think you were expected to be too rainbow and DEI dizzy to care.
Am trying to imagine someone holding a knife to a walking nuclear warhead