Baikal Side by Side Review - The Gun Shop
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Beretta is the Ferrari of the shotguns, Browning is the BMW, Baikal-Izhmash is the tank T -34 of the shotguns
I agreed with you
Nothing better than browning designs, guy was genius
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I've been shooting a Baikal SxS since 1978. I own a bunch of guns, but that old Baikal is the one that accompanies me hunting grouse, every time. It is the gun I have paid the least for ($135 CDN in 1978), and it is the gun I use the most. Can't beat that.
Baikal o/u and sxs with double trigger are way more reliable than the 80% of others in the market, even some English handmades. You will never see, a well treated baikal in a gunsmith, also avoid automatic injectors and interchangeable chokes. They have from production */*** barrels but actually they are 1.5/3.5. They shoot very well, they are cheap, reliable and because off the weight, have low recoil. Some experts they say that they are the perfect survival shotguns. Here in Greece, we have baikals, from the 60's with ten of thousands rounds, and the locking system is like new. You should know that some English men, they put a 20gauge and a 12 gauge cartridges both in the barrel and shoot, in a laboratory of course. The only shotgun that wasn't destroyed was the o/u baikal, not berreta, not benelli, not browning, not even the English brands. For what? 500 euros? The same gun, with the two cartridges was shootable after the test. So don't be so snob
MVK & Sharpening well said my friend well said
Had my26e for 51 years and wouldn’t swap il for any other gun. Has fired many thousands of rounds and is still like new!
Both me and my old man have Baikals, 12. gauge and not lackered though.
You know those dreams where you're supposed to count sheep... Well i could count roe deers, hares and capercaillies that's been laid down by these guns well into the next week. True enough they are not exceptional over engineered German craftmanship. But that is also exactly why i own one, not for the flair at some skeet shooting contest, over a daily fox hunt with stiff upper lips. But as a reliable work horse out in the wild. And for that purpose, they are great.
Agreed mine hasn't ever failed me or let me down. Great fun to shoot and in the right hands a great hunting weapon. And you're not going to cry if it gets wet.
No your right there aren't german engineering at it's best because it's russian
We have a ton of baikals, their over and unders are exceptional and their auto loading shotguns are also fantastic and very pretty
@@andrewcorry2251 Too Damn Funny
I only started shooting in April 2023. I own 2 old Baikals, an UO and a SBS like the one in the video. As an entry level gun the price could not be beat…..I paid £90 for the UO and £35 for the SBS, which had a very slightly rattle due to a loose joint. I have now fixed this. Both guns work as I would expect a shotgun to work. What I have discovered though is there is a lot of brand snobbery emanating from people who own a more refined and expensive gun. They are virtually sneered at. This is quite natural for the human species, it happens with all things, whether it be cars, motorcycles (Japanese motorcycles were treated the same after the 2nd World War in the US), this snobbery is not limited to Baikal shotguns……back in the 1970s and 1980s anything from what we used to call the ‘Eastern Block’ (one of the communist Russian governed countries) was viewed as cheap, nasty, and ‘agricultural’, unrefined. Lada cars from that period for example, or Zenit 35mm film cameras……Now as a Baikal owner, having used mine for trying to bust clays and shoot Wood Pigeon on some farmland, I tend to agree with the points raised in the video. Let’s be honest, they are basic, cheaply made, but solid reliable guns. That’s it. Nothing more can be said really. But please don’t sneer at them. They are what they are, and have undoubtedly enabled many many people to enjoy shooting over the decades for not a lot of money. If I had money to invest in a gun then yes, I would be buying a Baretta Silver Pigeon 3, or similar very pretty gun, with nicely figured walnut and hand chased graving of Woodcock, duck, Labrador, whatever…... But I don’t have a lot of money. What I have had over the last few months is a lot of fun……as a child born in the late 60s I can remember the Cold War very well, and the fall of the Communist State in the USSR….there were a lot of people in Russia, and there probably still are, that do not live the comfortable Western lifestyle we are so accustomed to…..they live on the breadline, and some rely on these guns for pot hunting on a daily basis. Let’s look at the gun for what it was intended for. Not the English Gentry…..but the down to earth Russian bloke living in a wooden house with no central heating, not much income, and the need to supplement his meagre diet and income with a few birds and bunnies with a cheap, reliable shotgun. And also to deter the odd wolf and bear when they meet. I get a bit miffed when people look down their nose at mine. They can get stuffed, I love mine to bits purely because they were both so cheap…..refined they are not, however my SBS does have a cheap walnut stock…..it’s not beech, the majority of them were beech, but this one is definitely Walnut, just a fairly plain bit. And they do what they are supposed to do. They go bang. 💥💥 😂
Crome lined barrels made for and in the most extreme conditions in the world and they still work and work and work , i love my beretta and Brownings , I bet when they break my Russian baikal will still be going
thesheepman220 no shit your right.
SLAP HEAD hmmm?
I have a Baikal 20 gauge over under and I love 💕 it! It’s built like a tank it hits what I shoot at and it’s fit and finish is pretty nice. I bought it used from my favorite gun store in Colorado Springs for 250 bucks. I have owned several more expensive guns but this one gets the job done ✅
Personally I think they have a very classic look . It’s not about the money .
I own an ij58 as you tested, have other expensive shotguns and very often take the baikal, enough said!!!!!!
I live in Kazakhstan which has been part of USSR and I have IJ58, this gun is for real hunting purposes and perfectly work at +40 to -40 C. Very simple and very reliable
I used to shoot a Baikal over and under that my friend owned. It was a delight to shoot and I would recommend one to anybody who wants a no frills gun that does the job.
My 60 year old Baikal 16 bore Hammer double gun (purchased new) will outlast me. No one laughs at Russian guns when they are pointed at them.
I think a lot of people forget that in the UK, firearm ownership is probably really difficult and expensive, so Brit gun owners probably tend to choose highly crafted, handmade hunting shotguns because that's probably the one gun they're allowed to own, and if you're buying a gun in Britian you're probably rich af anyways, so they tend to look down on utilitarian mass produced pieces like that Baikal.
Izhak 58, knows how many of them have faithfully served russian hunters for decades and continues to serve...has a circulation of more than 1 360 000 units, will remain forever in our hearts, reliable, profitable, warming the heart a simple hunter, a laborer from the factory and the engineer of design bureau, the eternal ensign and general of the army and experienced fishers in the distant taiga zaimka...
And now they are sold in large quantity changing, 2-3, and even more owners, depending on the sound for the price 5 000 - 20 000 rubles (45-200 pound sterling).
Thank you for the review, all honestly said!
It's blyatiful my friend, I bought one last year for only 90 pounds and it works, got a dent on the barrel by accident and guess wat, it didn’t makes me heartbreak. Now I removed the firing pins and some other funny stuff to deactivated it, still hanging on the wall of my house. :)
Picked up an old one just to have, and now my son is shooting pairs with it. He likes it because it "looks like the gun from Doom".
I got 6 Baikal side by sides, 4 of them 12ga, 2 of them in 20ga, wish I could get more, purchased them all in like 2009 to 2011, fit and finish is excellent, great shotguns!
What makes the double barrels so hard to get open can that be fixed
"They are the AK-47 of the S...."
*AK fanboy giggling* "Well I bought one"
Edit: I now own one and I couldn't be happier.
I shoot trap league with mine and it still shoots great after 2yrs and 50 rounds a week
Does it have an auto safety ? Thinking of buying one for my brother but I'd like him to have an auto safety as he's new to shooting.
@@conlaiarla Mine is 40 years old and it has auto safety.
To be honest, Baikal shotguns, particularly the IJ-27 (MP-27) are absolutely staple firearms amongst hunters and farmers in Russia (yes, I live here). They absolutely work, I just saw an old IJ-27M the other day. The finish has seen better days, but it is in perfect running condition. These shotguns are tools, designed to get the job done consistently with little fuss.
Another good thing about it is that it`s not an over and under.
I am a Texan American and I do love my Winchester shotguns but I'm getting more into the Cowboy Single Action competition thing in my older years now . I have a Ruger Vaquero 45lc and a Marlin 30-30 but I didn't have a Coachgun which is needed to compete so I have been looking for one. I did my homework and to my surprise I was told to buy a Baikal instead of a Stoeger by the oldtimers! I was told by experts that the Baikal's were Tanks and actually last longer so today I purchased a .12 gauge SxS model 43 I think? I was not misinformed thank god. Great Tank of a gun. I would recommend this Shotgun to others.
Eric Casas Hey sir how’s she still holding up on broker now looking to pull the trigger
Colton Martens oh cool! Do it, she's a beautiful shotgun. I only have 1 complaint honestly and that is that I didn't purchase it originally first. I am actually the 3rd owner but the 2nd guy only put like 10 rounds through it. If you can be the first then do it my friend.
Colton Martens oh I forgot! Make sure that you get a double trigger ok.
Good to go waiting my slow 10 day period thanks for your comment back Im happy with the buy and haven’t even Shot it yet next I hope to find a nice conversion open top 1872 👍🏼
Colton Martens wow! Good move and I'm sure that you won't have any regrets. Goodluck with your next purchase and the next one and then the one after that and.....you get my point! Lol! And a Merry Christmas to you as well.
I can't I can't count the amount of pigeon that I have extinguished with one of these.
I still own a Baikal 16 bore hammer double that I bough new in 1964 and it is still tight and shoots straight.
I had one- the only thing I didn’t like was the single trigger. Gimme a double trigger and I’d buy it in a heartbeat.
Single triggers are not for hunting with the exception of birds taken at close range. If you don't have the manuel dexterity to move your finger 1 inch, perhaps you should not be trusted with the operation of a shotgun!
So do you like the weapon or not. I can’t tell.
My dad bought one, then I bought one, then my brother bought one. They actually work very well for a dependable hunting gun in western PA.
Soo, if I get this biased opinion right.. the Russian gun is reliable and unbreakable, BUT because the biased reviewer doesn’t like the engraving or the lacker finish, that makes it a BAD gun. Hmmm ookay. Could not be more biased even if you tried))
vkmariner1 Felt the same starts video saying bad firearms not worth anything and then goes about the bird engraving lol these damn Euros
Baikals are awesome hunting shotguns, super robust and still look quite beautiful
This was the first gun I ever bough, used my first ''student loan'' check at the age of 16, we could buy a shot gun in Norway at that time no questions asked as long as you were of age ''16''. I carried this gun in the mountains of Norway for years, in all kinds of weather condition from -20 to +25. This shot gun held up in all this conditions and the shots I missed was not because of the gun. It is not a match grade, and never ever tried to pretend it is. It is a tool, if you like, and it does the job very well. If you know anything about Norway, you understand hunting the mountains is like being on a Motorcycle hill climb event, bring your Ferrari and see how far you get before it is totaled. Now I have more handguns and rifles that I can count, but no shotguns, actually, but I bought my son a stagecoach shotgun that is very nice, open hammers of course. I gave my Baykal to one of my nephews, something I regret, since my daughter now took her hunting education and needed a shotgun, would have been nice to hand her my LADA.
I bought one used in mint condition for $150. Its a cheap gun, but ive never had issues with it. Had it for 22 years. Mine is the bounty hunter 12gauge. Its fun, yet painful, to kick off both barrels at the same time.
According to this video. Buy an expensive gun that manufacturers spend more time on making it pretty than actually making it shoot well and last long. Ohh boy what a biased anti Russian vid
Pre 90's, pre 80's Soviet shotguns were much better in quality then. One who made reject in that era would quickly get into trouble. :D Nowadays IZH-43s are much less durable than old IZH-54s, IZH-58s and so on. Also old Tula TOZ series were great guns. They had quite some external hammer shotguns too. In the old socialist era in Hungary not many people could get a rifle (only people "close to the fire" if you get what I mean). So the shotgun must used as a rifle with slugs for wild boar. Certainly it is not allowed to shoot any kind of deer in Hungary with shotgun slugs so hunting deer was only for the upper class back than. So shotguns with slugs were the "rifles" of the lower class hunters and those old Soviet/Russian shotguns did it very well. Many of them had the Greener lock as well. There are some older Hungarian guys on local forums they knows much about the real old Russian shotguns. I surprised how many types they had and many had higher quality (for the upper class, certainly). But the average ones were built to last as a tool at the taiga. And they did actually.
These rifles are made for hunter's.
The fancy rifles are made for the living room.
Wish I could buy one from you guys but seeing as I live in America I don't think importing a singular firearm from across the pond is even possible, it's difficult to find these for a reasonable price if you can find someone willing to sell at all, anyway thank you for the amazing content.
£200 quid? Got my side by side for £30 and under/ over for £50.
Super reliable and tough. Absolutely love my Russian ladies.
Just swapped my pa08 2010 20 bore 2+1 for one your right cracking acquisition thanks for the advice
they don't make the 58 anymore(as far as I know ) but they make the izh 43 ,which is available with the mentioned features,and is also a lot better
Θοδωρής Μοαβίνης
The 58 (made in USSR) are in a lot better build quality than the newer 43.
Both in material, finish and tolerances
@@simonsms410 In Bulgaria the older 54 is considered the best. I inherited one from my grandpa who bought it new in 1962. I used it heavily and sold it in 1997 in brand new condition. Now I live in Canada and am considering buying a 58, 'cause I can't find a 54 :)))
Well, These Are Really Good Guns Actually. They Just DON~T BRAKE
This gun is made to get full of mud and to live on a farm to never be cleaned and to bash things over the head with , I love my bikal and hate it at the same time
They are like a shovel. Do you want a pretty shovel that cost 10x more than the regular shovel so someone can say hey nice shovel.
I own one and an IZH 27 over and under.....poor mans shot gun but when you pull the trigger it goes bang. No worries . they go for about 6 or 7 hundred dollars US. Cant go wrong.
I had one of these. I sold it. A few weeks later the Police came to the door. It had been bought from me with a fake Certificate. The Police knew this because they found the Certificate on the new owner. Plus the Baikal. He was in a Bank, with the barrels "modified" [sawn off], asking the clerk for money. He didn't actually have an account at that bank so the clerk pressed the concealed "robbery in progress" button !.
That gun was refinished and is not stock. I have one and they are a flatter sheen to the wood. Had it since I was a teen. My first gun and never had an issue with it. Your correct on the price. Not the most expensive gun but Ive beat mine up and it has never failed me. Mine is 41 years old and I used it when I was younger about 3 times a week out in the field. . Very durable and not a show piece but not a lady boys gun...hehehe
They are a no frills shotgun but still get the job done!
I just found a nice one in 12 gauge with double triggers here in Canada. I enjoyed the video.
I’ve got 3 baikal’s sxs 2 12g 1 410 and have out shot people with 5k guns, yes cheap and not pretty but work in all weathers I love them
Epic shotguns always work
I bought my 16 gauge hammer Biakal double in 1963 and had to wait for it to be re-proved here in UK before I could take possession of it. Since then I have put thousands of rounds through it Along with my Baikal .308 rifle. Anyone that considers Russian equipment inferior should have to face a loaded AK47, I have and it is not funny.
Sir if you're not interessed to this gun, would you like to sell it to me? Im a Baikal lover, and this model it's a dream shotgun for me. Please tell me, Im serious.
What a snob I wouldn't think you'd see this chap out in the wilds actually having to hunt for his food no shoot a pheasants and if that's to hard shoot a few peasants instead and a jolly good laugh with his chums after while sipping a pink martini POSH PLONKER what's daddy buying you this xmas a personality would be a good start
You genuinely don’t know me at all
Ok prove me wrong do an honest review between a27EM1C and any gun of your choice anybody can pick up a beat up old gun of any brand and bad mouth it but no you won't just keep making fun of anybody that has a different opinion is snob and a rude one at that
So a Baikal vs Beretta video is what you are after?
Finally I found one s×s in 28 gauge a little dream
Simple mechanism that will never fail. Steal that will never rust. I've got one sauer-beretta s56e, one fausti Stefano magnum and mechanically I trust my 58 over the Italian girls.
does it serve its purpose.
I'd say the Saiga / Verpa 12 is the AK of the shotgun world.. because they are based on an AK design haha.
Watching your older vids, you seem like really biased! More than two years later, your 'worst gun I 've ever shot' vid is a Baikal.
I own 2 Baikals. I used to own 3. I gave one to my cousin. I think he forgave me. Good farm gun. Truck gun. Cheap and reliable.
Baikal shot pattern is not different than any $1000 gun pattern
I have had one of these they are very good hit high birds at Doveridge no problem , the best 410 shotgun out there 3" single trigger ! you want to try one before you slag them of chum
Me and another staff member own them, like all shotguns with a true bore they break clays and kill birds if you point them in the right place. They are very functional tools, what they certainly are not is nice.
i like this gun sir
Jolly Good
I love all my Baikal shottys
Does this firearm have the capability of firing 12 Ga Slugs as well or solely birdshot ?
I wish these were more available in the US. Getting one is a crap shoot. Never going to find one on shelves; 90% of the struggle, is finding a gun store that'll order from Baikal.
I have a 1924 Ithaca Flues, a Spanish AYA Model 300 made some time in the 1950's, a brand-new Stoeger Uplander, an L.C Smith Field, now I need to get my hands on a Baikal.
Heinrich Von Kekelnazi Remington is or was importing them
Siberia special.
my first shotgun was a baikal cost £65 i spent more on cartreges than i did on the gun 😂😂😂 but it was great to learn on and yore right you dont cry when you drop it tou just say bugger pick it up brush it off and keep shooting 😆 its a tank of a gun 💪
What's the two tone on the stock? Looks like it was left standing in a bucket of creosote
Someone has left a rubber extender pad on there, and the rubber colourant stains the wood
You missed it's other comedy use as a walking stick at a shoot 😁
Shovel, broom, walking stick, seat, paddle, hammer, gun - the possibilities are endless!
very nice
A mate has a `Kreekoff`. . when it breaks . . out comes his S/S Baikal ! Multi choked too!! Got it from auction room is AS NEW £120!! Value or what!!
Wish someone would import Bunch of Baikal shotguns to USA 🇺🇸
Buy one, chuck it in the land rover when going checking the stock, robust reliable everyday knockabout guns.
And you dont care when you break it.
If you can break it
@@tgsoutdoors good luck breaking that :) it seems cheap but solid
Which model of baikal is this kindly mention it
Snobby review...Baikal guns shoot well
It's not snobby to say they look like crap but are made very strong and will shoot forever, what did he say that was wrong?? They are cheap and reliable is true. They look rubbish also true
Best shotgun out there
Hi can you do a similar review for the O/U bikal single trigger game gun?
Thanks.
My brother Ger never shoots less than 45/50 at sporting clay shoots every Sunday . .they make him remove the sling to compete 😁
Sounds exactly what I'd be after. I'm moving to from Queensland to Tasmania where they don't allow bowhunting and I've always wanted a side by side. If I can get that there that will be perfect
Mad Mitch they are certainly utilitarian! Enjoy the move.
Bow hunt more ethical ?
What is your thought on durability of this thing. I could have passed it to my next generation please?
These are MOST durable guns you can buy... from the worlds biggest arms factory.
Doñt listen to this toffee nosed kid. He doesn't know much 🙁
Lasts forever
Have had one for thirty years excuse the bun ,but it's bullet proof,if you want to hand down a firearm that's built like a tank and shoots like a shot gun should, buy one, if you want a project gun ,to polish up and make a nicer stock on, buy one,you can't loose for the price of them
Other different shooters like hickok etc think you don't know what you are thinking about when what is the real true value of a gun
Baikal is the best gun in my opinion
What makes the double barrel 20 gauge so hard to open can it be fixed
Ask Midwayusa
My grandpa that died,had double barrel baikal shotgun that my grandma burried in our garden during the Croatian Homeland War but now its just a decoration
Why don't you bring it back to life?
@@bowieknife71 we can't and we don't want to
Whats up with the ones on the scrap pile then if they dont go wrong
Well noticed, sometimes they have little problems that make them not worth selling
I have a ij-58 side by side shotgun that I just own I try it and shoot a box shell and never miss any clay Hahaha the only downside of this shotgun is the ejector
I have 3 baikal shotguns the oldest is an IJ 26e old as the hills shoots beautifully .The side by side 410 is a super vemin gun, they are made to used and relied upon , not looked at and admired! get yourself out of that shop and into the wild young man see how long your fancy stuff lasts then.
Hi have a Single barrel 1 it woos £50 it’s in good order I finck if you dropped out a ✈️ it wood still be ok lol good video I probably wood like a sbs Single tiger one
That,s the best about Russian guns they are made like tanks. If you run out of bullets use it as Tors hammer:)
I liked your review..I got one before looking at this video:(! I cant find my answer online, wanted to ask if can shoot steel with this Baikal? slug? Thank you
My AK is nicer than that boat anchor. However the comparison is not lost on me.
Please stick to gun reviews and don’t talk bad about Alfa Romeo ! :) cheers
So it a good farm gun or a gun you can take hunting and not care if it gets banged up
Please make a video on Webley brimingham side by side shotgun auto eijector on eajector system and replace the eajector
My break down lever very tight, is there a way to make it a little easier?
The forend lever or top lever?
@@tgsoutdoors top lever
Do you recommend this gun for upland use? Also please let me know if it is model mp 43?thanks in advance.
Great review! My 58 came with a pistol grip stock, do you by any chance have any extra stocks for the 58 lying around with the english style?
Hi all. I just picked up at a gun show a Baikal 410 Over/Under used for $500. I think maybe I paid too much huh?
It is in very good condition and is still quite stiff in the action.
I don't think it has had very many rounds shot through it as the inside of the barrel shows no signs of wear. ( I mean the inside of the barrel is still like a mirror) no lines made from exiting pellets.
I'm thinking that the 410 round is quite expensive and not all that good at trap...maybe it's still quite new.
Oh well, I always wanted a 410 so now I have one.
What does the Gun Shop World think?
gpbuck89011 sorry buddy to much money. I bought a used .12 gauge SxS in decent shape today for $250 . I think they go for about $300 new online at Buds Gun.
@@ericcasas7398 they dont have em new in US, sanctioned, unless that's changed in the last year
I actually bought one of these. Couldn't hit anything with it
Sir thank you for sharing this with us. How do you feel as this shotgun is fit for hunting please
Baikal are usually tightly choked but you could get a gunsmith to open the chokes up for little cost well built and reliable.
baikal are decent guns
What kind of steel is used in the barrels? What are the proof standards?
Russia is C.I.P. member as is United Kingdom thus same base-line standards apply.
Does everyone know where I can buy a baikal
You probably bought one by now? Shame because I've got a N.K 58MA side by side 12 bore Baikal which I've had donkey's years. It's hardly been used because I get more fun with the 22. A shooting teacher expert once said. Your shooting with that Baikal 1/2 & full choke is quite surprising. Have a shot with my Browning. I must say it felt lovely. When I shot with it at clays I felt as if nothing could possibly fly over me without dropping. Is it right no shotguns are allowed to be posted to the US of A?
I'm seeling mine because I just don't go any more as I'm 80 and just about shot.