Trap Gun vs Skeet Gun?
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- Опубліковано 23 бер 2019
- For many years lonely little skeet and trap guns have sat in the shelves of UK gun shops, being poo pooed in favour of the multichoke sporter.
Jon and Dave head on out to the Clay Ground to see how these guns at very different ends of the spectrum compare and how they perform on Sporting Clays.
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People read too many shooting magazines, blogs etc and believe the marketing hype - "you have to have the latest superdooper gun with carbon-fibre everything and a shock absorber in the stock, extended chokes at a £100 each"
Rather than buying a reasonable quality gun, new or second hand, that fits them and spending the rest of their money on cartridges and having fun !
Part of the fun for me is having a nice gun that I admire. If you've got the money for a nice new gun, why have an old one ?You can become a great driver in a Honda Civic but, it's a lot more fun for most people to drive a Ferrari (if you've got the means). Same concept with guns.
@@orion7873 Could not agree more mate.
Have to agree if the gun fits you point in the right direction does not matter what chokes or cartridges you are using it will break.
@@orion7873 I can afford any gun on the planet but most often reach for an old Parker that my Father gave me. It fits me well and my targets break just as well as those being shot (or shot at) by people using exotic tools of the trade. Amazing how often men ask to try a couple of shots with my gun.
SGC has been approved, will be down to botley within the next few weeks when it arrives to pick up my first gun
Great vid. Ive always said chokes are in your mind to a degree. Lovely old 800 miroku. I have the trap version. They have a very distinctive sound when you close them.
I started out shooting trap with a Miroku Superior O/U trap gun. Wished I still had that one, it fit perfect and I shot my first 50 straight with that one right after I bought it. Great guns for the price.
Good vid. I have a first-year edition 12 ga. Rem. 11-48 that sports on of those "De-Lux" vented Poly-Chokes. The thing is in really good shape and shoots well. Important thing to remember on those is to keep the recoil spring well-lubed.
What were the two guns used? Could you do a comparison/differences apart from chokes.
Great video, a shotkam would be perfect to go along with videos like these. Might even give novices like me some subtle tips!
Whats the old skeet gun used is it a miroku 800. They all look similar the old nikkos and mirokus
Cheers mate, great vid as always!
Ammunition type can make a noticeable difference in how a gun patterns. Knowing how various ammo patterns in your gun can be very useful, especially if you have to use a choke that is not ideal for the application.
Exactly, one can not blindly trust the choke or bore, it's vital to test all possible shots and brand's.
Interesting video with a very good looking clay ground. 💥💥
“Suckle.... I’m a biter” Possibly the greatest repartee of TGS thus far, love it!
My club! Great video guys wish I had been there!
Can u make a video on the effect of eye dominant on shooting? And on one eye shooting or two eyes opened shooting? Thank you
I’m right handed and left eye dominant, I shoot both eyes open. Persistence.
I started shotgun for the first time in late August, got AA in two and a half months. But I’m probably in it for five or six thousand shells already. Tried the patches, tried the tape, tried squinting and all that crap. Would recommend both eyes open for anyone that is willing to persist. It’s more likely your gun mount than your master eye. If you close your left eye and the bead isn’t perfectly square, then that’s your problem. If your left eye is locking onto the front sight when you swing the gun, then persist until you completely ignore the beads.
A shooting journalist friend of mine once gave me some after-market chokes for my Beretta, IC & Skeet, so I patterned them with every make of cartridge that I could find. The differences in patterning of the different makes of cartridge were huge, with some fibre wads being equally (and surprisingly) as tight as plastic wads. There is much sense in what you both say. Very enjoyable film only let down by barely being able to see the clays break.
Skeet's always been hopeless every time I've visited there, just so windy!
Mark Brown I like shooting in the wind, really gets you too concentrate on the birds. I catch myself sometimes shooting where I think the bird should be, shooting in the wind tends to break you of that habit.
What size shot were you using?
learning your gun is the key.
Great video. Love to see trap gun versus field gun.
Would be good fun
love the landscape.
I honestly think theres a lot of ponce in shooting around the gun, ultimately a shotgun is a very simple device with two barrels, in terms of function theres near no difference between a cheap & expensive gun.
My Greener GP is bloody hilarious when it comes to clays. My daughters 20 bore semi-auto is good fun too. I don't care if I miss a few; it's all a good mickey taking laugh!!
I have a Greener, too. It's 118 years old and still shoots beautifully.
I am very tempted by a Greener, I must say. They look like great fun!
I used to shoot with a guy in the 80s game shooting Norfolk and north Wales he used a Winchester 101 skeet gun and Winchester winner 8s at everything he was a bloody good shot and he could hold his own with anyone. I took my lad to Dumfries about 9 years ago game shooting he had a beretta 680 skeet gun he was 13 we drew a peg next to a conservationist 😉 my lad was folding pheasants up behind him using black gold 7's he even got the shot of the day on a partridge.What does he shoot now ? mk38 sporterised trap gun, wish I had never sold that beretta tho it was a great all round gun.
“If you are on it, you are on it”
Wise words.
Really liked this video guys. I’m a biter btw lol. Good shooting and I like the range rashings given out lol
End of the day just getting out and shooting your tool is %99 of it. Cheers !!
It would be nice if you guys had a Shotcam ... I can't really tell when one is being hit or missed.
Watch it on the TV and they are clear. Chatting to shotcam about getting one for review
Yup, most of us watch on our crappy phones.
A buddy of mine just bought an electric thrower that runs off his truck battery. I brought my 8.5” single and my brother-in-law brought his 18.5” tactical-cool double and my buddy brought his 3 shot 16” pump. We all laughed our fool heads off and stole each other’s clays. Way more fun then a stuffy right gun for right sport nonsense. Don’t get me wrong proper shooting is super fun too but I’ve never had so much fun as that day. I’m really excited about my next trip up north to the farm to do it all again.
Days like these are usually the best, when nobody is taking it seriously at all! Having fun is what a lot of people in competitive clay shooting forget about.
For sure. I do serious competition shooting. 3 gun, various pistol and occasionally even 2 gun, (black rifle and pistol). I know my way around a shotgun and certainly appreciate a fine superposed gun but I’m quite excellent with a handgun when under pressure, (as long as everyone else is as well). But truly I have way more fun screwing around and shooting weak hand or ludicrous handicaps that guarantee losing as long as I have at least one other compatriot doing the same. I have a friend who will bring a couple super obsolete pistols he just bought but never fired to a serious event and offer one to me to shoot the day with. I have yet to say no because, well fun. The winners aren’t always on the podium.
I am using a Browning Citori for hunting as well as skeet and trap. If I don't hit while hunting it is usually my own fault. Same with skeet and trap, but there I usually hit 27-30 out of 30. I can't even tell you which chokes I use in the top or bottom barrel. Have never changed them. Comes all down to practice I guess
30? For what game? Every game I play is 25, since that's how many are in a box.
@@adams7763 I wouldn´t consider shooting a gun playing (or this is just a misunderstanding of the word since I am not a native speaker) but since you ask, in Germany we shoot 15 Trap and 15 Skeet when it comes to competetive shooting according to german hunting association. Additionaly we shoot 3 stationary targets with the rifle at 100m, each 5 shots. Standing without support on a wild boar target, standing with the support of a fixed pole on a roebuck target and lying on a fox target. At last we shoot at 60m, also with the rifle on a moving wild boar target also 5 shots
2:39 Im not gonna go on to my knees... cuz Im not being paid 50 quid for it. 🤣😂
Johnny, could you say how effective it is to use a shotgun with a 71cm barrel for sporting?
Itll do the job fine imo its more about chokes and even then as this proved that doesnt matter hugely.
A 28” will be fine for most average sporting targets. It might be a little harder to control on longer stuff, but will break them just as well
Hahahaha. Suckel..... I’m a biter...
As always great video. I shoot skeet and trap with a 30”S/S so yea for sure you can use any gun on any range. It all about enjoying yourself!
Me, too!
A trap gun is less useful. Ive shot 25 straight in trap and skeet with 24",26", 28" and 30" barrels. The better your technique the more a long barrel becomes cumbersome. 24" is just too short too shoot well with consistently. 28" and up just takes more time to get on target and or switch targets vs 26". The longer barrel does make the follow through after the shot a little easier. The more practice you get the less that mattress. 28" is great when learning to shoot. These days I use a 26" Benelli. My opinion is based on bird hunting. Things may be different if you interest is serious clay shooting.
Always known there is a lot of bull talked about chokes! Nice one John.
Cheers Mate!
Nice club 😎What length barrels were in these two guns ?
32 and 27
The Gun Shop 👍👍sorry for all the quest what models are these guns ?
So I’m still learning to shoot shotguns and most of the guys at the trap club have a different gun for each discipline. Well I’ve only shot Trap two months with my 725 Sporting and I’m averaging 22-24, and my 11yr old using the same gun is 17-20 ( which the gun is to big for him, but he likes it ). So while I “want” a few different guns for the different shotgun sports, I don’t think it’s necessary unless a person was completing in major events. I need to find a O/U for boy so I can get my gun back and we can shoot together at the same time.
I comparing the Fabarm Elos Allsport, msrp $2950 ( 2 interchangeable ribs, 1- 50/50, 1- 65/35 ) or a Browning CX Adjustable, msrp $2500 ( 60/40 ) My son likes the looks of the Fabarm which also has a 13-3/4 lop, 30” barrel, 7lbs-11oz, while the Browning has a 14-1/2” lop, 30” barrel, 8lbs-4oz.
My son shoots my old Mossberg Silver Reserve O/U. It was $400 new and he loves it. I made the mistake of letting him shoot my 725 Skeet last weekend and now he is eyeing it. LOL
I was just curious how common Remington, Winchester, or Ruger shotguns were on that side of the pond.
While trap,skeet, & sporting clays remain popular here in America they don't have the levels of participation they had 50 years ago.
Winchester shotguns are very common, I have seen a plenty of Remington (but usually semi or pump) but have not yet seen a ruger shotgun in the flesh.
Wouldn't even call Ruger shotguns all that common here. Have a straight grip 20 red label O/U which is nice enough. But if you go to a shooting club you're not seeing Ruger.
Didn't the red labels run for less than 5 years same with the "newer" peerless not the 3200
For all the shooting vids you all make, pony up for the clays that show up on video.
Blimey, we got a name for a gun for every job. Anyone else remember when a gun was a gun?
Yeah my mossberg does almost everything
Ron Bailey that’s to be expected from a mossberg
Try keeping your head on the gun and following through with your head down on the stock rather than snap shooting stopping and throwing the gun down off your shoulder. As far as trap vs skeet gun, use equal chokes in both guns and try again. Also refine your definition of a trap gun and a skeet gun. Vintage or historic? Modern variants of both for the top of the games are basically the same guns with different rib/poi adjustments. A vintage trap doubles gun makes a decent modern skeet gun once the choke issue is addressed though still falls short of the current top of the sport firearms. Bottom line If your POI is understood and your leads spot on with a 12 gauge the trap chokes won’t impact your skeet score. You just have to be spot on with your leads and elevation. Not to mention technique ala head on the stock and follow through.
Gentlemen,
What were you shooting?
What did / do they cost?cheers
Do you mean the orange discs? They are called clay pigeons.
Here in America they cost 5 or 6 dollars for 100.
William Prince ummm, thanks. I was talking about the shotguns. I think one is a Miroku 800, but I haven’t seen one for sale at £350 so I could be wrong....
@@engineer6250 Sorry.....3 am here when I responded. I was evidently not seeing the obvious.
One is a Miroku 800 skeet, we get through a lot of these between £3-600.
The other is Jonnys mk38. They can be had for around the £1000 mark.
The Gun Shop I wish we could get Miroku guns here in the US. Their harder to find, and more reasonably priced than the Browning version. I want an MK38!!
It's been a long time since I shot skeet at a real field, God I miss it.
Jon, what gun is that you're shooting?
A heavily modified MK38
@@tgsoutdoors Nice! I am looking at getting a dedicated sporting gun over the next few years (have to save up for it) and am between the Beretta 692 and the Browning 725 Pro Sporting. I shoot a Browning Cynergy now that's my duck gun as well as my clays gun and I really like the low profile of it. At my shooting club I have heard the 692 having a lot of issues. What are your thoughts/recommendations assuming both fit well? Or is there something else you would recommend I look at?
The 725 pro sport is an absolute machine - probably the best serious clay gun out there at the price. (If you like a heavy ‘more planted’ gun )
Cool.
I find it a bit amusing you were complaining about the wind while shooting Skeet, with a 12 gauge. Here in the States we call a windy day 410 weather. Because some of us will go out in a heavy wind and shoot 410. Actually my primary practice caliber is the 410. It's the least expensive caliber to reload, the recoil won't build a flinch, and it forces you to shoot with more precision. As a result when I step up to a larger caliber the hit rate goes up.
Anyone can help me? Is it OK to shoot clay pigeons on Sunday or is the use of guns a flat out no no on a sunday? I can't seem to find much info on this other than its not ok to shoot game on a sunday
Its fine mate went out today at one of our local clubs and there was atleast 50 others. Infact most shoots for clays around here are sunday. So sometimes i get a cheeky saturday and sunday on the clays if money permits.
I was at the Churchill shooting grounds today. Shouodnt be a problem at all.
stephen mac legally I believe that you can’t shoot game on sundays, but you can shoot vermin and deer.
look up the cpsa and they will have dates of fixtures for all the registered clay grounds. and go from there. i know one local to me we cant start before 9am on a sunday. which is fair
Its fine to shoot clays on a Sunday. It was one of the few days that I got the chance.
I've shot Skeet using full choke. Love the way it absolutely vaporizes the bird!
Also shot Trap Doubles with my Citori Skeet. Both barrels choked "Skeet 1".
Just got to get on them quick!
Now I just use Modified for everything!!
Whether it’s Skeet or Trap a smooth swinging gun, crisp triggers and correct patterns is the gun that will give you an edge. These guns more often than not are very expensive. The other determining factor is quality. A serious Trap or Skeet shooter will put 6000 rounds of practice and another 5000 rounds of tournament rounds through their gun. Cheaper guns cannot and will not withstand this punishment.
Yes and no, either of those 2 mirokus will stand up to that level for a lifetime- many guns such as perazzi will need rejointing before them, consistent mount on a gun that feels and fits you best, with lots of practice to learn what style of shooting/lead suits you per target is far more important than a trigger pull or perfect patterns imo
Shooting sporting with full choke is super badass.
Damn Straight!
George Digweed full and full plus swing thru....👍😍
Trouble is with a Baikal it can be difficult to find the right place to point to hit the target !!!.🤣🤣🤣.
mossberg 930 for clay allday for me
Why not just get a different set of chokes for each discipline that's what I do
Both of the guns that were being used were fixed choke guns I believe.
can you make a podcast
It is on the cards
In conclusion it is the shooter not the gun who is responsible for hitting the target. Training is key, the more you shoot the more you hit ;)
As they say around here, it's the Indian not the arrow!
And that's why Mr Teague sold his business!
Why does every youtuber think they are Michael Bey.?
You guys need a shot cam desperately be for you do any more filming
"Born at adequate height"..... Purely a subjective statement....... I prefer genetically superior as a tall person myself. ;)
you didn't say what the difference is.
No usable information here !
I couldn't understand a word you guys said
You must be American , we can always understand you !
@@banzai385 canadian
@@banzai385 I had to rewatch it. I couldn't understand "little john". I think his mic was setup differently and he had a slightly different accent.
Why does the most of the videos show people using double barrel O/U or S/S in all these games? Why not use a semi-automatic or a pump gun? Most of the pumps or semi-auto are lighter than most double barrel guns but remove the plug and they hold several more shells. Most of the bird hunters I have ever talked to use a Rem 1100 or 870 most of the time (with plug left in the gun). Taking everything from Dove to Turkey
I just don't see why restrict yourself to a double barrel. If they are better, what makes them better , please explain it. Don't just say they are better. Explain why they are better.
Sorry Jon, don't need the music.
😂
cant see the clays worth shit. would make it 100 times better if the clays were visible in these videos
Frustrating to watch. Camera guy, go to manual focus, zoom up a tiny bit and set the focal range to where the clays are flying. As viewers we came to see clays break and analyze the patterns as well as the shooters lead or lack of lead. Find a way to be raised and behind the shooters and they can be blurred in the foreground but the target's flight crystal clear. Thank you.
this could have been a better video
I can't understand sht they are saying
This was almost a good video but it’s too lame with the edits and the music. It reminds me of a reality tv show.
Useless, sorry.
Never take advice on guns from a non American.