The bar is pretty low. Shadowheart is a complete disaster with the self awareness of a stone. Karlachs situation forbid her from developing emotions even more than Mintharas did. Lazel is maybe an even bigger disaster than Shadowheart which seems impossible. Jaheira is best girl but only because she doesn't get a character arc. she starts the game already at the end of her growth.
@@peacefulwarrior9518 Judgmental much? Shadowheart has been mindfucked by the Church of Shar and has NEVER been allowed to develop a real personality and self-awareness, because her personality has been wiped several times. Lae'zel is little more than a frightened teenager in a plane completely different from hers, cut off from a cult she has been indoctrinated by since birth. Maybe think before you post?
Feels like Minthara should have had a redemption type recruitment instead of just dying. Especially when you see the scene she's being discarded at Moonrise
I can see a "middle evil" outcome where you convince Minthara and the goblins to spare the teifling refugees and only kill off all the druids. Maybe you could convince her that if anyone is likely to have a powerful artifact, It would be the druids. I dunno. You'd still lose Wyll in the playthrough, he'd never go along with that scheme, but I figure most of the other companions would have a sour opinion of the druids anyway and while they might not like you for it, they won't outright hate you.
In BG2 (spoilers obviously) you can push Viconia into being neutral instead of evil, if you romance her and work hard. I could see that being a decent fit for new drow waifu
Or you could just kill all the goblins and knock her·out (a useless feature that changes nothing) so that her being at moonrise tower would trigger normaly.
Id much prefer an option to persuade her that goblins aren't worth the time and have her take her leave to act 2 and able to recruit her legitimately without siding with the goblins, but if you wanted her then and there in your party, have the consequences be losing Karlach and Halsin, like i get that they want you to make choices that impact the story but i also hate being out a companion based on something as impactful as killing innocent tieflings
She is in some warhammer books on tape we heard yesterday. One of the Horus books. She plays a sister of silence and voices her thoughts. She is PERFECT!
The way the line "May I?" is delivered is simply stellar. So much repressed anxiety and uncertainty, yet such a strong urge to trust someone in those two words. Just brilliant
i think that minthara was omitted as a full-scale-companion simply because of lack of evil choices in game, the state of game right now feels like the tradeoff for her is uncannily big.
larian said it was a bug and they're working on it. according to the grapevine her romance can only start if you don't flirt with any other companions at all but I have yet to try
Mod Details: I have created 2 mods for Minthara. Daughter of Lolth: The first allows you to use a ring to summon her at any point in the game, any act, if she is alive or dead, doesn't matter. She will join as a full featured companion with dialog and everything. It's pretty buggy if used in Act I as you might expect. Though, you can use it before the Tiefling Victory party and she'll attempt to seduce you like she did at the Goblin party. Get it here: www.nexusmods.com/baldursgate3/mods/1515 Daughter of Lolth - Chosen Path: The second allows you to defeat her in Act I like normal, but instead of dying, after her health gets low she escapes. She is then later recruitable in Act II at the normal place. This allows you to recruit her while keeping all companions and no Tieflings need to die. It's a more polished, closer to vanilla experience than the other mod. I've also included some flavor items like a (non-cannon) journal. Get it here: www.nexusmods.com/baldursgate3/mods/1713
@@b_is_alive If I can ever get infront of bug fixes- that's what I plan to do. I haven't even been able to play a campaign with her because i've been to busy making it possible lol
So according to a blog post from Larian, a ton of Minthara's content (roughly 1500 lines of dialogue) is currently inaccessible due to a single bug preventing a certain dialogue flag for her. So it's possible, in fact probable, that we'll see a huge expansion to her character in one of the upcoming patches.
Unfortunately it's not just a flag that causes the block. That is an issue - but even setting the flag manually won't allow the dialog to start. When I did this, I had to pass an old version of the dialog tree itself
@@u9w30y This dialogue not new at all. It was all I got from her in Act 3 before patch 1, also a line about that she needs longer time to trust somebody. By the way it is not bug, it is cut content, some of her story was connected to upper city, however they cut upper city too, so they had to "disable" Minthara's story line until they don't fix it with the cut parts. Larian will never tell the truth about the cut content and that they released the game earlier than they expected.
@@Chibanah Larian already made an announcement about that "cut content". They said that the game is a big as it was supposed to be. The cut content just didn't fit well with the final version of the campaign. BUT most importantly, they said that they would bring back some/most of this conent for the hardcore fans. Perhaps optional side quests etc. But people like you will than complain that it is unpolished and unfinished.
@@michaelrenper796 Why complaining is a bad thing? Do you know what is criticism? Can you explain it to me? So people can be only fanboys or haters? People like you think like this for sure, there no in-between like I like the game, but I can use common sense to feel there are also problems with the game and I can rightfully put out my complaint as a customer.
@@Chibanah "Larian will never tell the truth about the cut content and that they released the game earlier than they expected." - This is crossing the line from criticism to slander. Check for Larians statement on this.
They should make it possible to actually knock Minthara out after the Grove assault as a story choice. Where after being defeated you get a cutscene of her on the ground at your mercy and the choice to just kill her or imprison her. The way she first opens up to the player now indicates the Absolute was mind controlling her and without the Absolute’s voice in her head she started to see things your way. It would therefore make sense the same happens if you imprison her after defending the grove, and after a couple of longrests worth of time being in your camp, her memories of how she was abducted and tortured in Moonrise returns to her and she decides to join your quest while not having to make the evil choice.
I mean I just "killed" all three goblin leaders by killing the hobgoblin, priestess and leaving her knocked out and butt naked. We'll see if she comes back later in cutsceneshopefully still naked and furious with me
@@arcurtis11 No, she won't. I tried half dozens playthroughs. I knocked her out during the fight to kill the 3 goblin leaders and while in the siege of the grove. It doesn't matter, she will be dead lore-wise. If you side with the tieflings or the druids (or both) Minthara is locked out of the game. Which doesn't really makes sense.
Honestly, I forsee her and Halsin getting story rewrites like Beast in D:OS2 in the future. BG3 sold too well to not get a 'definitive edition' at this point.
It makes me sad that Minthara is such a well-written character trapped behind an evil route that you need to lose like half your other potential companions to do. The trade off just isn't worth it.
@@Tay-v6v Uh, no. You miss out on Wyll, Karlach, and especially Halsin. You can persuade Gale not to leave. How about you do some googling yourself so you don't make yourself look like an ass. Granted from what I've heard you can have Wyll and Karlach by essentially sequence breaking and completely ignoring the druids by rushing to act 2, but that's lame and you're not playing the game at that point. Not at all how I imagine act 1 is meant to be played.
@@Tay-v6v To romance her you have to kill the grove. If you do that you lose Halsin, Wyll, and Karlach. You can recruit her by only losing Halsin but the grove still dies so you lose out on those NPCs' later quests. Its a bad tradeoff
i had no idea she could be this chill??? the moment i met her in act 1 i didn't even know she could be a companion cuz she seemed so overly evil that i didn't even bat an eye killing her... :/
Minthara in the act one is under the complete influence of the absolute, bringing all the extreme sides of her personality, she is evil, just like any drow, but not crazy genocidal as she is under the absolute
worst part about Minthara being locked behind the "evil" play through is that how you meet her again in act 2 could totally fit if you just knocked her out instead of killing her in act 1.
Her being knocked out and chastized for failing makes 30x more sense than her simply not finding the artifact when no one else in the Aboslute's service has found it either
@@LuZ-vg6fy I think there are still just a few more when you are in Astral Plane after confronting the Absolute, and some dialogue in the ending. But I do feel this scene is bugged, because she does not do anything at night.
@@lochuynh9200 she is absoutlely still bugged. First of all, if you push her approval past a certain point after the "initating romance" conversation, she'll act like you romanced someone else afterwards. And then the scene is, as you said, still bugged....I kinda gave up on my Durge playthrough until she's fixed. Like fully fixed.
Yeah, her voice fascinates me. It's so deep, rasp and rough, it feels like it should belong to a man, and yet it's undeniably a woman's voice I'm not sure if I explained it right, but I never heard a voice actress with a voice that even comes close
YEAH I WASN'T THRILLED ABOUT THAT. But it was so difficult to get this scene to actually proc that I didn't want to try recapturing it, especially since the lighting was good in this one :(
I did the "only evil for act 1" playthough, JUST so I could recruit Minthara. She's certainly worth the effort, though I hate having to lose half of my other companions to get her
I think if you do not bother with druid grove and recruit karlach without wyll you might be able to get wyll minthara and karlach but do not quote me on that.
you can still get all of them as long as you ignore the druid arc. you can kill all at the goblin camp and ignore her, she will still show up at moonrise and you can save her there, and still have will and karlach in the party. That's what i did.
It wasn't cut. They announced there is a bug that is stopping something like 1500 lines of her dialogue. They found it. It should be in the next bug fix. We're already on Patch 2, so, don't think it will take long. They launched Patch 2 the day after announcing there was a patch, so.
@@ChaoticGoodPeasant23 That really sucks as I just finished my long evil playthrough, hoping to romance Minthara the whole time but it just didnt work.
A route that saves the teiflings and allows the player to recruit Minthara is top among my wishes for content at the moment. I desperately want to have her in my party but I find it very hard to raid the grove.
Well damn, that was oddly sweet. Thanks for posting this. I'm never going to do a Minthara playthrough, so it's great to be able to see what I'm missing. Also, your character looks great. I'd ship them.
Minthara is the best companion in my team and my favourite character in the video games, tough warrior with sharp tongue, leader like no other who carried me through all my battles. And she knows her value - each time when I wanted her to rest in camp she reminded me I was commiting a mistake because she was most valuable asset xd. I always took her advice ... Brilliant character indeed, in every aspect.
This is possible to trigger. I just finished Act 2 last night and did all I could to make Minthara approve during my work in the Shadow Lands. I was at 13 approval before the fight with Ketheric, and after the fight, processing that and her thoughts on his death got me to low 30's. Talking about Orin to upper 30's. Then this conversation happened when I went back to camp but before leaving the Shadow Lands. Approval now 51. I rested and nothing followed (no cutscene for the "lay with you tonight" comment).
You can trade all the tieflings and halsin or go to the goblin camp ( kill them dont who cares ) BUT when you get to minthara you need to not immediately attack and instead steal anything near her to make her gain the trait “ TEMPORARILY HOSTILE” then knock her ass out and you’ll see her later at moonrise and you can save her
Emma Gregory has such a unique voice. When I heard Minthara speak for the first time I knew it was her and got so excited. Too bad I was doing a good play-through 😢
I hope Larian adds more to support an evil playthrough. I know you can skip the conflict to still get all of your companions but if you want to help thr Goblins you lose Wyll, Karlach, and Halsin as well as making it impossible to save the Forest at Moonrise. I'd love to see an option added where you could save the Goblin at moonrise and have him become a companion along with Minthara for evil games.
Minthara lovers, your ship has come in. This hotfix takes care of a bug that blocked access to some of Minthara’s lines of dialogue, including some hot takes from your companions about your decision to date the ruthless Oath of Vengeance Paladin. If approval is high enough, your romance with Minthara will progress in Act 3. This unlocks several new dialogues allowing you to explore and deepen the relationship, and discover more details of Minthara's backstory. Alongside many lines of interactive dialogue, many more non-interactive voiced lines are available with Minthara as a romantic partner. Minthara isn't the only one who has new things to say though. Other companions in the party will comment on the relationship and may even find themselves on Minthara's bad side (there is no good side; we've looked really hard for it) should they have their own romantic entanglements with you. And Minthara won't watch silently if you stray from her side, whether your dalliance is with another member of the party, or [redacted].
I really wish we didn't have to kill her to save the Tieflings. Just from what I've seen, she's an character with the kind of redemption story that warms my heart. I wish Larian would give us an additional route to recruit her and also save the refugees. I just can't bring myself to harm the innocent in any of my playthroughs unless I'm really trying to do an evil run
I find Minthara and Lae'zel to be one in the same, in the sense that both are victims and products of the environment they were born in. Deep down, neither isn't necessarily "evil," they just didn't know what being good is like because they were never given the chance to be.
lae'zel was born into a society that believes that nothing matters except thwarting the grand design, which objectively, on a cosmic scale, is probably true. they're just very blunt and pragmatic in service of that goal. being courteous or nice to strangers who aren't helping you achieve the ultimate goal is counterproductive. kill illithids, receive ascension, that's all. they raid the prime material plane because it's more efficient to have most of your race be military, and let other races do stuff like "have food" and "mine metals" and just take it from them. all in service of killing more mind flayers minthara is a baenre. not just any lolth-sworn drow, but the first house of menzoberranzan. to baenres, there are only superiors (to be plotted against) and inferiors (to be used in those plots and then discarded). menzoberranzan openly follows an unabashedly evil goddess. they don't raid to survive, they raid because they can. they also hold slaves, practice torture for fun, do ritual sacrifice, etc etc etc there are shades of evil in d&d. some of it's evil for its own sake. some of it is pragmatic-evil. baenres in particular are evil because they view morality as a scoreboard and are going for the high score of evil
She's pretty evil to me, my first playthrough was dark urge evil and all her interactions and +approves are centred around exploiting other people and dominating the weak. But she does not like violence without meaning. So more like Lawful evil. Astarion just like any sort of crazy evil stuff though. Lae'zel is kinda like a paladin with duty bound doctrine she follows so I'd agree that she isn't inherently evil.
@@ergopropterhoc"View morality as a scoreboard, and going for the evil highscore" LMFAO! I have never heard it put in such a way that sums up Menzoberranzan and Lloth Drow perfectly. But that does. Lloth-sworn Drow know they are evil. They do not care. They do evil for, literal, fun. Githyanki are just the example of an entirely militaristic culture. From the leader to the lowest cook.
Lae'zel is indoctrinated by a society that pretty much regards itself as "uber", has its own honour code, seens extremely straightforward and pragmatic etc.. But, without giving too much away in the form of spoilers, the moment she realizes there is proof that anything she has learned growing up isn't true or just a lie she is not too proud or ignorant to swiftly accept the facts and adjust her views and goals accordingly. I would not consider her evil one bit. She just can't stand wasting time helping someone, when there are more pressing issues at hand.
This is excellent work. BTW, one of the directors of Grinding Gear Games was asked at ExileCon 2023 what they looked for in resumes of people applying for jobs. He said the #1 thing was whether people had modding experience, because it meant they knew how to add to a complex game engine.
Damn, I was slowly pushing the approval of Minthara and felt strange that she didn't change her attitude like other romance partners until I see your video. Guess I need to stop my playthrough until they patch the Minthara romance progression.
As someone who was deeply in love with Viconia the most out of all the BG2 ladies, I definitely approve of a new Drow Waifu in position to take the role. Viconia will always be top spot, but Minthara looks very fun indeed.
i love her, i hope they add more to her arc, Larian is still adding dialogue and content, so i will keep my hopes up that she can get a nice redemption arc
you guys are just giving really difficult things to implement, a simple option: "I help you with the grove but leave the thieflings alone" would make total sense and is fucking easy to implement, losing only Wyll in the process, allowing you to use Karlach and Minthara
Honestly with modern gaming there is so much room to expand this game. I'm hoping we could get some expansions/DLC. I'd love to play through as a Goblin. I'd love for Minathra to have a redemption arc. Honestly it makes sense for the merciful paladin archetypes or the Cold blooded logic types to try to save her. All they need is an opportunity.
Posting this here: You don't HAVE to be evil. You can literally have Wyll, Karlach, and Minthara. I did it in my dark urge play through. Having recruited Wyll and Karlach, I investigated jagha so that the grove wouldn't be sealed (and down the line lock out Karlach's quests via Dammon being unavailable). Then I rescued Halsin but told him to stay at the prison because I would kill the 3 Goblin leaders. Rescued the dude being tortured on the rack in the Goblin fortress so that he could warn the grove (I don't actually know if this matters). Then I killed 2 of the Goblin leaders, completely avoiding Minthara. Then I proceeded to Act 2 without participating in the grove battle. Then Minthara was available in the moonrise towers to rescue. Done, all 3, not evil, no one locked out. Try it.
except this results in the tiefs never actually leaving act 1, effectively killing them. Dammon won't show up in Act 2 or 3. Karlach's quest halts and i believe shadowhearts romance is also prevented. I did exactly what you did in my first playthrough and mostly regretted how much content I lost because of it. If you want Minthara on a good playthrough I suggest just grabbing a mod for her recruitment so you don't lose access to all the npcs otherwise lost
@@Vincinate i mean sure but it still closes off that entire ending for the player of going to avernus with her and the romance scenes. My point was that recruiting minthara in such a way is mostly just a good way to lose access to content and choices. Your "umm actually" type response seems completely unneeded
It would habe been nice, from a good campaign perspective, to have a chance for a redemption arc with Minthara, similar to the ways you can turn things around with Lae'zel and Shadowheart. It would be nice to see her shed the evil grip that Lloth, the Absolute, and her family have all had on her throughout her whole life. In this video she really REALLY downplays the evil she grew up in. She's a member of Baenre of Menzoberranzan, arguably the most ruthless and cruel family in Drow society. Her family is the primary matriarchy of Menzoberranzan; the top family. Menzoberranzan's society is comprized of Houses, and Lloth forces them to basically backstab, scheme and murder eachvother to try and take the mantle as her most favored family and followers. So she SERIOUSLY downplays the evil and atrocities that she grew up around when she tells you about it.. It would be a really nice narrative to see her shed that incredibly weighty expectation and influence and discover herself, free of control from all of these evil aspects of her past, and her worship to these evil deities. From the perspective of a good playthough, i would LOVE to see her break all these chains and seek to discover herself in the light of new friendships and a search for justice, to right the injustices and hate that shadowed her whole life up to this point 💜
The most reasonable Evil characters are Tyrants (Lawful Evil) The evil ending for the Druid Circle arc is carnage (Chaotic Evil) The issue lies with the ending itself.
We’ve seen three types of complaints that are being referred to as cut content: The first references content that actually doesn’t properly trigger because of a bug, for instance some of Minthara’s reactivity. We’ve located what’s causing that and are working on it - expect a fix for this soon. (C) Larian From the latest update: Minthara no longer references irrelevant topics or passes judgement on companions more than once. Fixed the dialogue flow when dating Minthara. Fixed Minthara's body disappearing at camp after you decide to . You can no longer recruit both Halsin and Minthara to camp in the same playthrough.
Yeah - no insinuation of cut content here. This is bugged content I was able to make work through heavy scripting. This will fixed soon as per the Larian interview with IGN pertaining to Patch 2
I've killed Minthara in every run as I like the good path but I wish we could recruit her in a good playthrough (without mods). I've only seen bits and pieces but she sounds like a great companion
I got this dialogue on my good playthrough. I knocked her out in the goblin camp and saved her in moonrise towers. I long rested a few times and did some quests and talked to her and poofed it triggered this dialogue.
It was hinted that Shadowheart is open to polygamy as long as you let her have you first (while talking with the drow siblings at the brothel in act 3) And drow society loves orgies so maybe Minthara won't mind :D I also remember one of the news article that says Shadowheart and Minthara should be open to polygamy.
I wish they hadn’t made her locked behind an evil play through. Should have either been, you help the goblins and get her as a companion immediately in act 1 - or you kill the goblins, can spare her and in act 2 you can recruit her as a good character and she can have a redemption arc. We already have the option to convince shadowheart and lae’zel to be completely evil or sway them to be good, what is the difference?
I got this naturally (no mod) by leaving her untouched and essentially skipping the grove questline (killed other two leaders and investigated khaga) then recruited her at moonrise. After that, picking enough unhinged evil choices gets her approval to good, and i got this dialogue
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Somehow the "evil" companion is the most emotionally mature of the bunch.
The bar is pretty low. Shadowheart is a complete disaster with the self awareness of a stone. Karlachs situation forbid her from developing emotions even more than Mintharas did. Lazel is maybe an even bigger disaster than Shadowheart which seems impossible. Jaheira is best girl but only because she doesn't get a character arc. she starts the game already at the end of her growth.
@@peacefulwarrior9518 Judgmental much? Shadowheart has been mindfucked by the Church of Shar and has NEVER been allowed to develop a real personality and self-awareness, because her personality has been wiped several times. Lae'zel is little more than a frightened teenager in a plane completely different from hers, cut off from a cult she has been indoctrinated by since birth.
Maybe think before you post?
Feels like Minthara should have had a redemption type recruitment instead of just dying. Especially when you see the scene she's being discarded at Moonrise
I can see a "middle evil" outcome where you convince Minthara and the goblins to spare the teifling refugees and only kill off all the druids. Maybe you could convince her that if anyone is likely to have a powerful artifact, It would be the druids. I dunno.
You'd still lose Wyll in the playthrough, he'd never go along with that scheme, but I figure most of the other companions would have a sour opinion of the druids anyway and while they might not like you for it, they won't outright hate you.
In BG2 (spoilers obviously) you can push Viconia into being neutral instead of evil, if you romance her and work hard. I could see that being a decent fit for new drow waifu
Or you could just kill all the goblins and knock her·out (a useless feature that changes nothing) so that her being at moonrise tower would trigger normaly.
Id much prefer an option to persuade her that goblins aren't worth the time and have her take her leave to act 2 and able to recruit her legitimately without siding with the goblins, but if you wanted her then and there in your party, have the consequences be losing Karlach and Halsin, like i get that they want you to make choices that impact the story but i also hate being out a companion based on something as impactful as killing innocent tieflings
@@Mearaxes is it possible?
BG3 has no right to hit me this hard with these emotions. God i love Minthara. And her VA. Amazing.
She is in some warhammer books on tape we heard yesterday. One of the Horus books. She plays a sister of silence and voices her thoughts.
She is PERFECT!
sucks you cant keep her AND karlach
Emma Gregory. She's a gem
I could legit use Minthi's voice as asmr before sleep. Her and Karlach are my fav girls.
I never imagined myself finding a woman with such a deep voice so attractive, like a real woman, not a fake one
The way the line "May I?" is delivered is simply stellar. So much repressed anxiety and uncertainty, yet such a strong urge to trust someone in those two words. Just brilliant
i think that minthara was omitted as a full-scale-companion simply because of lack of evil choices in game, the state of game right now feels like the tradeoff for her is uncannily big.
larian said it was a bug and they're working on it.
according to the grapevine her romance can only start if you don't flirt with any other companions at all but I have yet to try
She's been confirmed to be bugged. Larian said that she has something like 1500 lines which aren't triggering. They're working on a fix.
@@lrhty1825Alright, well, does that mean she’ll be available whilst saving the tieflings?
@@NexusEhh no info about that i think, but i assume she wont(unless modded) On the other hand there is non-lethal attack so technically it would work.
@@NexusEhh No that's not the bugged part.
Mod Details:
I have created 2 mods for Minthara.
Daughter of Lolth:
The first allows you to use a ring to summon her at any point in the game, any act, if she is alive or dead, doesn't matter. She will join as a full featured companion with dialog and everything. It's pretty buggy if used in Act I as you might expect. Though, you can use it before the Tiefling Victory party and she'll attempt to seduce you like she did at the Goblin party.
Get it here: www.nexusmods.com/baldursgate3/mods/1515
Daughter of Lolth - Chosen Path:
The second allows you to defeat her in Act I like normal, but instead of dying, after her health gets low she escapes. She is then later recruitable in Act II at the normal place. This allows you to recruit her while keeping all companions and no Tieflings need to die. It's a more polished, closer to vanilla experience than the other mod. I've also included some flavor items like a (non-cannon) journal.
Get it here: www.nexusmods.com/baldursgate3/mods/1713
I wonder at one point of time there will be restoration mod like kotor 2 to restore all the lock content. One can hope
Bro, you are the real GOAT. Thanks for this mod, now I dont have to wait for Daddy Larian to fix the best companion in the game.
interesting :O
would love to do another Dark Urge Redemption pack with this:
Daughter of Lolth - Chosen Path
@@b_is_alive If I can ever get infront of bug fixes- that's what I plan to do. I haven't even been able to play a campaign with her because i've been to busy making it possible lol
Does the Chosen Path allow for her romance? I'm downloading regardless of course. Such a GOAT mod.
Everyone loves shadowheart until they choose the evil run and get to know minthara.
Nah, I prefer Laezel from beggining
Karlach best girl
Having done both shadowheart runs, and recruiting/romancing minthara, shadowheart still my favorite overall, but minthy is a close second
Doing a playthrough that could either go Lae or Karlach but honestly I’m not sure any of them are gonna beat Shart I love her sm
@@radeksilar543 laezel is the goat ,
So according to a blog post from Larian, a ton of Minthara's content (roughly 1500 lines of dialogue) is currently inaccessible due to a single bug preventing a certain dialogue flag for her. So it's possible, in fact probable, that we'll see a huge expansion to her character in one of the upcoming patches.
Unfortunately it's not just a flag that causes the block. That is an issue - but even setting the flag manually won't allow the dialog to start. When I did this, I had to pass an old version of the dialog tree itself
@@u9w30y This dialogue not new at all. It was all I got from her in Act 3 before patch 1, also a line about that she needs longer time to trust somebody. By the way it is not bug, it is cut content, some of her story was connected to upper city, however they cut upper city too, so they had to "disable" Minthara's story line until they don't fix it with the cut parts.
Larian will never tell the truth about the cut content and that they released the game earlier than they expected.
@@Chibanah Larian already made an announcement about that "cut content". They said that the game is a big as it was supposed to be. The cut content just didn't fit well with the final version of the campaign.
BUT most importantly, they said that they would bring back some/most of this conent for the hardcore fans. Perhaps optional side quests etc.
But people like you will than complain that it is unpolished and unfinished.
@@michaelrenper796 Why complaining is a bad thing? Do you know what is criticism? Can you explain it to me? So people can be only fanboys or haters? People like you think like this for sure, there no in-between like I like the game, but I can use common sense to feel there are also problems with the game and I can rightfully put out my complaint as a customer.
@@Chibanah "Larian will never tell the truth about the cut content and that they released the game earlier than they expected." -
This is crossing the line from criticism to slander. Check for Larians statement on this.
They should make it possible to actually knock Minthara out after the Grove assault as a story choice. Where after being defeated you get a cutscene of her on the ground at your mercy and the choice to just kill her or imprison her. The way she first opens up to the player now indicates the Absolute was mind controlling her and without the Absolute’s voice in her head she started to see things your way. It would therefore make sense the same happens if you imprison her after defending the grove, and after a couple of longrests worth of time being in your camp, her memories of how she was abducted and tortured in Moonrise returns to her and she decides to join your quest while not having to make the evil choice.
True. You can leave so many enemies alive, why not her right. One that comes to mind is the shar priest "mother superior".
I mean I just "killed" all three goblin leaders by killing the hobgoblin, priestess and leaving her knocked out and butt naked. We'll see if she comes back later in cutsceneshopefully still naked and furious with me
@@arcurtis11 No, she won't. I tried half dozens playthroughs. I knocked her out during the fight to kill the 3 goblin leaders and while in the siege of the grove. It doesn't matter, she will be dead lore-wise. If you side with the tieflings or the druids (or both) Minthara is locked out of the game. Which doesn't really makes sense.
@@Veridiano02 well then good thing I stole her clothes
Honestly, I forsee her and Halsin getting story rewrites like Beast in D:OS2 in the future. BG3 sold too well to not get a 'definitive edition' at this point.
“I knew the bonds of fellowship and family could be broken by Discord.”
.....
Minthara's evil smile is cursed.
>:)
Her voice actor was perfect as well
Well, Karlach has got some competition when this is legit attainable.
You can keep her and karlach
It makes me sad that Minthara is such a well-written character trapped behind an evil route that you need to lose like half your other potential companions to do. The trade off just isn't worth it.
You only miss out of Halsin. Why do people like saying things that are easily googled to be wrong, perhaps to farm likes
@@Tay-v6v Uh, no. You miss out on Wyll, Karlach, and especially Halsin. You can persuade Gale not to leave. How about you do some googling yourself so you don't make yourself look like an ass. Granted from what I've heard you can have Wyll and Karlach by essentially sequence breaking and completely ignoring the druids by rushing to act 2, but that's lame and you're not playing the game at that point. Not at all how I imagine act 1 is meant to be played.
@@Tay-v6v To romance her you have to kill the grove. If you do that you lose Halsin, Wyll, and Karlach. You can recruit her by only losing Halsin but the grove still dies so you lose out on those NPCs' later quests. Its a bad tradeoff
Her path is fixed nowadays. You can knock her out and you are done
@@frankfrankfrankfrankfrank thats where you make 2 playthroughs
i had no idea she could be this chill??? the moment i met her in act 1 i didn't even know she could be a companion cuz she seemed so overly evil that i didn't even bat an eye killing her... :/
Minthara in the act one is under the complete influence of the absolute, bringing all the extreme sides of her personality, she is evil, just like any drow, but not crazy genocidal as she is under the absolute
worst part about Minthara being locked behind the "evil" play through is that how you meet her again in act 2 could totally fit if you just knocked her out instead of killing her in act 1.
yeah, like if you kill all her other allies she retreats (you can still kill her, obviously), and you can meet her there or something
Her being knocked out and chastized for failing makes 30x more sense than her simply not finding the artifact when no one else in the Aboslute's service has found it either
Worst part is that this is the last romance scene. She is still bugged.
@@LuZ-vg6fy I think there are still just a few more when you are in Astral Plane after confronting the Absolute, and some dialogue in the ending. But I do feel this scene is bugged, because she does not do anything at night.
@@lochuynh9200 she is absoutlely still bugged. First of all, if you push her approval past a certain point after the "initating romance" conversation, she'll act like you romanced someone else afterwards. And then the scene is, as you said, still bugged....I kinda gave up on my Durge playthrough until she's fixed. Like fully fixed.
0:32 my heart melted
Uh oh...the more I watch these videos on youtube the more I slowly turn into a Minthara simp....forgive me Shadowheart
Love the voice of Emma Gregory. Tough, formal, and noble all in one. She plays an awesome Jennet Sulla in the Ciaphus Cain audio books
Yeah, her voice fascinates me. It's so deep, rasp and rough, it feels like it should belong to a man, and yet it's undeniably a woman's voice
I'm not sure if I explained it right, but I never heard a voice actress with a voice that even comes close
Anyone else check their discord after they heard the popup sound at 1:37?
YEAH I WASN'T THRILLED ABOUT THAT. But it was so difficult to get this scene to actually proc that I didn't want to try recapturing it, especially since the lighting was good in this one :(
I did the "only evil for act 1" playthough, JUST so I could recruit Minthara. She's certainly worth the effort, though I hate having to lose half of my other companions to get her
I think if you do not bother with druid grove and recruit karlach without wyll you might be able to get wyll minthara and karlach but do not quote me on that.
2 =/= half.
you can still get all of them as long as you ignore the druid arc. you can kill all at the goblin camp and ignore her, she will still show up at moonrise and you can save her there, and still have will and karlach in the party. That's what i did.
@@kirin5891If you do that, do you get to have Dammon fix Karlach?
@@jonathanrich9281no
Good news is that you can recruit minthara in a good playthrough now
The fact this was cut (or broken) is a literal warcrime. And not even the fun kind that ends with a big goblin party.
It wasn't cut. They announced there is a bug that is stopping something like 1500 lines of her dialogue. They found it. It should be in the next bug fix. We're already on Patch 2, so, don't think it will take long.
They launched Patch 2 the day after announcing there was a patch, so.
@@ChaoticGoodPeasant23 some stuff, like the pregnancy plotline, was probably cut flat out, this could always be like that.
@@ChaoticGoodPeasant23 That really sucks as I just finished my long evil playthrough, hoping to romance Minthara the whole time but it just didnt work.
A route that saves the teiflings and allows the player to recruit Minthara is top among my wishes for content at the moment.
I desperately want to have her in my party but I find it very hard to raid the grove.
Well damn, that was oddly sweet. Thanks for posting this. I'm never going to do a Minthara playthrough, so it's great to be able to see what I'm missing. Also, your character looks great. I'd ship them.
Minthara is the best companion in my team and my favourite character in the video games, tough warrior with sharp tongue, leader like no other who carried me through all my battles. And she knows her value - each time when I wanted her to rest in camp she reminded me I was commiting a mistake because she was most valuable asset xd. I always took her advice ... Brilliant character indeed, in every aspect.
Thank you for your hard work. Now I hope they will completely fix her triggers in patch 2
Amazing scene! Can't wait to experience it myself
Thx to Patch 5 we can all have her without sacrificing anyone. Except some goblins of course.
Really makes me mad that you cant just knock her out and exterminate rest of the goblin camp. Shes a good edition to the rest of the group.
Yeah. I tried it, but the game considers her dead even if you deal her non-lethal damage...
What? I knocked her out then recruited her later at moonrise...
addition
@@Spiralblitzful like recently?
@@bgill6623 that was like a week ago on my second playthrough I'm on my third now. It could be situational like how haslin works.
you lucky bastard
Luck nothing. This is from like 2 weeks of researching and building mods. I'm exhausted aha.
@@u9w30y Man you made my day go get so sleep you deserved it.
This is possible to trigger. I just finished Act 2 last night and did all I could to make Minthara approve during my work in the Shadow Lands. I was at 13 approval before the fight with Ketheric, and after the fight, processing that and her thoughts on his death got me to low 30's. Talking about Orin to upper 30's. Then this conversation happened when I went back to camp but before leaving the Shadow Lands. Approval now 51. I rested and nothing followed (no cutscene for the "lay with you tonight" comment).
Awwww, little Minty cares!
You can trade all the tieflings and halsin or go to the goblin camp ( kill them dont who cares ) BUT when you get to minthara you need to not immediately attack and instead steal anything near her to make her gain the trait “ TEMPORARILY HOSTILE” then knock her ass out and you’ll see her later at moonrise and you can save her
Minthara has this sexy older woman vibe and I like it! ❤️
She may be the oldest companion
@@codyvandal2860 she maybe old but a sexy one ;)
@@codyvandal2860 nah, jaheira is.
@@letuanhai6901 Jaheria isn't even older than Halsin or Astarion. She is about 150 and Astarion is at least 200.
always found it interesting how minthara sounds like she's been truckin' and going through 2 packs of unfiltered smokes daily for 20 years
And the cool part is the voice actor does not have a voice like that naturally! She created a gritty, experienced voice herself and it's just perfect.
She doesn't. It's deep but smooth, not rugged and worn out.
Emma Gregory has such a unique voice. When I heard Minthara speak for the first time I knew it was her and got so excited. Too bad I was doing a good play-through 😢
I hope Larian adds more to support an evil playthrough. I know you can skip the conflict to still get all of your companions but if you want to help thr Goblins you lose Wyll, Karlach, and Halsin as well as making it impossible to save the Forest at Moonrise.
I'd love to see an option added where you could save the Goblin at moonrise and have him become a companion along with Minthara for evil games.
Minthara lovers, your ship has come in. This hotfix takes care of a bug that blocked access to some of Minthara’s lines of dialogue, including some hot takes from your companions about your decision to date the ruthless Oath of Vengeance Paladin.
If approval is high enough, your romance with Minthara will progress in Act 3. This unlocks several new dialogues allowing you to explore and deepen the relationship, and discover more details of Minthara's backstory. Alongside many lines of interactive dialogue, many more non-interactive voiced lines are available with Minthara as a romantic partner.
Minthara isn't the only one who has new things to say though. Other companions in the party will comment on the relationship and may even find themselves on Minthara's bad side (there is no good side; we've looked really hard for it) should they have their own romantic entanglements with you. And Minthara won't watch silently if you stray from her side, whether your dalliance is with another member of the party, or [redacted].
2:09 sneaki boi
I really wish we didn't have to kill her to save the Tieflings. Just from what I've seen, she's an character with the kind of redemption story that warms my heart. I wish Larian would give us an additional route to recruit her and also save the refugees. I just can't bring myself to harm the innocent in any of my playthroughs unless I'm really trying to do an evil run
I find Minthara and Lae'zel to be one in the same, in the sense that both are victims and products of the environment they were born in. Deep down, neither isn't necessarily "evil," they just didn't know what being good is like because they were never given the chance to be.
lae'zel was born into a society that believes that nothing matters except thwarting the grand design, which objectively, on a cosmic scale, is probably true. they're just very blunt and pragmatic in service of that goal. being courteous or nice to strangers who aren't helping you achieve the ultimate goal is counterproductive. kill illithids, receive ascension, that's all. they raid the prime material plane because it's more efficient to have most of your race be military, and let other races do stuff like "have food" and "mine metals" and just take it from them. all in service of killing more mind flayers
minthara is a baenre. not just any lolth-sworn drow, but the first house of menzoberranzan. to baenres, there are only superiors (to be plotted against) and inferiors (to be used in those plots and then discarded). menzoberranzan openly follows an unabashedly evil goddess. they don't raid to survive, they raid because they can. they also hold slaves, practice torture for fun, do ritual sacrifice, etc etc etc
there are shades of evil in d&d. some of it's evil for its own sake. some of it is pragmatic-evil. baenres in particular are evil because they view morality as a scoreboard and are going for the high score of evil
well, you can always do some research on the drow lol
i recommend reading some of the drizzt books!
She's pretty evil to me, my first playthrough was dark urge evil and all her interactions and +approves are centred around exploiting other people and dominating the weak. But she does not like violence without meaning. So more like Lawful evil. Astarion just like any sort of crazy evil stuff though. Lae'zel is kinda like a paladin with duty bound doctrine she follows so I'd agree that she isn't inherently evil.
@@ergopropterhoc"View morality as a scoreboard, and going for the evil highscore" LMFAO! I have never heard it put in such a way that sums up Menzoberranzan and Lloth Drow perfectly. But that does.
Lloth-sworn Drow know they are evil. They do not care. They do evil for, literal, fun. Githyanki are just the example of an entirely militaristic culture. From the leader to the lowest cook.
Lae'zel is indoctrinated by a society that pretty much regards itself as "uber", has its own honour code, seens extremely straightforward and pragmatic etc.. But, without giving too much away in the form of spoilers,
the moment she realizes there is proof that anything she has learned growing up isn't true or just a lie she is not too proud or ignorant to swiftly accept the facts and adjust her views and goals accordingly. I would not consider her evil one bit. She just can't stand wasting time helping someone, when there are more pressing issues at hand.
DAMN IT I LOVE HER VOICE
Afaik minthara is like missing almost 1500 lines of dialog and is bugged. So definitely waiting for that before i go mommy minthara route.
Soon as I heard there was dialogue that was datamined involving her kid, I knew I had to do the same.
This is excellent work. BTW, one of the directors of Grinding Gear Games was asked at ExileCon 2023 what they looked for in resumes of people applying for jobs. He said the #1 thing was whether people had modding experience, because it meant they knew how to add to a complex game engine.
Damn, I was slowly pushing the approval of Minthara and felt strange that she didn't change her attitude like other romance partners until I see your video. Guess I need to stop my playthrough until they patch the Minthara romance progression.
A drow woman telling a male that they trust them...yeah thats a confession if i ever heard one
As someone who was deeply in love with Viconia the most out of all the BG2 ladies, I definitely approve of a new Drow Waifu in position to take the role. Viconia will always be top spot, but Minthara looks very fun indeed.
This shit hit me in the feels
i love her, i hope they add more to her arc, Larian is still adding dialogue and content, so i will keep my hopes up that she can get a nice redemption arc
damn, that face she makes is so good.
in my dark urge run, minthara breaks up with me after this cutscene :/
you guys are just giving really difficult things to implement, a simple option: "I help you with the grove but leave the thieflings alone" would make total sense and is fucking easy to implement, losing only Wyll in the process, allowing you to use Karlach and Minthara
That fucking face on 1:04, I'm dead, I'm literally dead 🤣And she does it again a bit later.
Minthara is a gorgeous as long as she kept her sad face or being emotionless.
Honestly with modern gaming there is so much room to expand this game. I'm hoping we could get some expansions/DLC. I'd love to play through as a Goblin. I'd love for Minathra to have a redemption arc. Honestly it makes sense for the merciful paladin archetypes or the Cold blooded logic types to try to save her. All they need is an opportunity.
Posting this here: You don't HAVE to be evil. You can literally have Wyll, Karlach, and Minthara. I did it in my dark urge play through. Having recruited Wyll and Karlach, I investigated jagha so that the grove wouldn't be sealed (and down the line lock out Karlach's quests via Dammon being unavailable). Then I rescued Halsin but told him to stay at the prison because I would kill the 3 Goblin leaders. Rescued the dude being tortured on the rack in the Goblin fortress so that he could warn the grove (I don't actually know if this matters). Then I killed 2 of the Goblin leaders, completely avoiding Minthara. Then I proceeded to Act 2 without participating in the grove battle. Then Minthara was available in the moonrise towers to rescue. Done, all 3, not evil, no one locked out. Try it.
Bless your soul. I hope you get pinned
except this results in the tiefs never actually leaving act 1, effectively killing them. Dammon won't show up in Act 2 or 3. Karlach's quest halts and i believe shadowhearts romance is also prevented. I did exactly what you did in my first playthrough and mostly regretted how much content I lost because of it. If you want Minthara on a good playthrough I suggest just grabbing a mod for her recruitment so you don't lose access to all the npcs otherwise lost
@@path9760Karlach's quest dead ends eother way. Dammon can't fix her and tells her she needs to go to Avernus, lol
@@Vincinate i mean sure but it still closes off that entire ending for the player of going to avernus with her and the romance scenes. My point was that recruiting minthara in such a way is mostly just a good way to lose access to content and choices. Your "umm actually" type response seems completely unneeded
@@path9760 is it really lost content when it's sitting there waiting for you on another playthrough? adds replayability imo
It would habe been nice, from a good campaign perspective, to have a chance for a redemption arc with Minthara, similar to the ways you can turn things around with Lae'zel and Shadowheart. It would be nice to see her shed the evil grip that Lloth, the Absolute, and her family have all had on her throughout her whole life.
In this video she really REALLY downplays the evil she grew up in. She's a member of Baenre of Menzoberranzan, arguably the most ruthless and cruel family in Drow society. Her family is the primary matriarchy of Menzoberranzan; the top family. Menzoberranzan's society is comprized of Houses, and Lloth forces them to basically backstab, scheme and murder eachvother to try and take the mantle as her most favored family and followers. So she SERIOUSLY downplays the evil and atrocities that she grew up around when she tells you about it..
It would be a really nice narrative to see her shed that incredibly weighty expectation and influence and discover herself, free of control from all of these evil aspects of her past, and her worship to these evil deities. From the perspective of a good playthough, i would LOVE to see her break all these chains and seek to discover herself in the light of new friendships and a search for justice, to right the injustices and hate that shadowed her whole life up to this point 💜
I'm glad I didn't have to participate in the raid to get Minthara. She's such a good companion
As a Warhammer fan, especially of the audiobooks...it is a *trip* to hear Emma Gregory doing anything else. A good thing, but still jarring lol
Beautiful🥰
"I belong only to you." Wowza😮❤️🔥
The most reasonable Evil characters are Tyrants (Lawful Evil)
The evil ending for the Druid Circle arc is carnage (Chaotic Evil)
The issue lies with the ending itself.
We’ve seen three types of complaints that are being referred to as cut content:
The first references content that actually doesn’t properly trigger because of a bug, for instance some of Minthara’s reactivity. We’ve located what’s causing that and are working on it - expect a fix for this soon. (C) Larian
From the latest update:
Minthara no longer references irrelevant topics or passes judgement on companions more than once.
Fixed the dialogue flow when dating Minthara.
Fixed Minthara's body disappearing at camp after you decide to .
You can no longer recruit both Halsin and Minthara to camp in the same playthrough.
Yeah - no insinuation of cut content here. This is bugged content I was able to make work through heavy scripting. This will fixed soon as per the Larian interview with IGN pertaining to Patch 2
Damn, she's deep
The discord ping got me
I've killed Minthara in every run as I like the good path but I wish we could recruit her in a good playthrough (without mods). I've only seen bits and pieces but she sounds like a great companion
I love Minthara
Shadowheart and Minthara my favorites!!!!
I hate DRUIDS!!!!
Awww, didn't think I would end up liking late game Minthara
I got this dialogue on my good playthrough. I knocked her out in the goblin camp and saved her in moonrise towers. I long rested a few times and did some quests and talked to her and poofed it triggered this dialogue.
Gods, the dialogues are strong.
Ok, after watching this redemption arc vid my mind has changed ... I may recruit and romance her afterall in my next playthru.
+1
Minthara is still bugged after patch 2. But I'm glad there's more to expect in the future.
3:47 This grin will never get old
Every background character being yeeted out of the frame like errant child is amusing.
Dude, I got this scene, and then not a damn thing ever happened after it, ever again.
man still not worth it losing the tiefing im too fond of them saving them every playthrough. i hope you can just knock her out in act 1 :(
2:05 Glitch Gnome photobombing a heart-warming moment
That was beautiful
With a voice like that she can pat my head and read me a book.
It's unfortunate the scene after this never happens because she's bugged as hell and hasn't been fixed yet
I was wondering why she's like "I belong only to you" then cut to "aaaah good morning!" LOL
haha, I love how we all collectively rewound the video at 1:35 to make sure the discord notification was the video, not us.
Best girl
Now I feel bad for going trough the goblin camp guns blazing...
Fineee ill play through the game one more time!
Minthara has replaced Shadowheart as my primary love interest, but I wish I could have both!
It was hinted that Shadowheart is open to polygamy as long as you let her have you first (while talking with the drow siblings at the brothel in act 3)
And drow society loves orgies so maybe Minthara won't mind :D
I also remember one of the news article that says Shadowheart and Minthara should be open to polygamy.
@@saint8257Minthara doesn't like to share lol
Why is she so hot???? I love her voice, and shes so pretty??? Shes such a Handsome woman 😭💖
Nice!
Minthara is my number 1! Gladly gave up half my companions.
If only our wives could be as devoted.
Nice work!!
1:37 The discord notification sound scared me! 🤣
I wish they hadn’t made her locked behind an evil play through. Should have either been, you help the goblins and get her as a companion immediately in act 1 - or you kill the goblins, can spare her and in act 2 you can recruit her as a good character and she can have a redemption arc.
We already have the option to convince shadowheart and lae’zel to be completely evil or sway them to be good, what is the difference?
1:37 to get pinged 🤣
How do u say no to that cute murderous face
I sacrificed what I needed to romance her and then snapped her neck . In the name of Bhaal xD
1:34 Behold! The rare breed of teleporting gnome!
I'm still sad that she bugged out in my evil playthrough, and she kept repeating the dialogue from right after the Ketheric fight :(
I fixed this tonight, i just attacked her to zero and resurrected her with Withers.
And for me it's something like "Let's leave that crypt" answer for anything since Act 2
Shes so great
I got this naturally (no mod) by leaving her untouched and essentially skipping the grove questline (killed other two leaders and investigated khaga) then recruited her at moonrise. After that, picking enough unhinged evil choices gets her approval to good, and i got this dialogue