Sim Racing vs. Arcade Racing
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- Опубліковано 2 лис 2024
- The recent Project CARS 3 debacle got me thinking - why are communities for arcade and simulation racing games so different? What makes sim racing appealing, and what makes some not so interested? In this video I discuss what I think about sim racing vs. arcade racing games.
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I'm on the same boat as you, really. I enjoy both for their own individual benefits. There's as much fun to be had in sims as there are in arcade racers IMO. Both genres are made for different audiences, after all. But I'm also glad we have stuff like GT, Forza, GRID and soon, Project CARS 3 where they combine the best of both worlds and I hope it continues, honestly.
Simply arcade racing is just fun, Sim racing is retarded, because you don't have feeling of the car (and G-FORCES) and if you want realizm just go and drive real car
@@A-BYTE64 That’s literally one of the most stupid things i have ever heard. That’s the same thing as saying Arma is stupid because you won’t die in real life if you get shot, just do the real thing.
Also Jesus why are you salty as hell lmao, you have at least 3 comments saying the same thing. Why, you can’t even get out of the pits in sim racing without crashing? LMAO.
I'm glad I grew up playing the variety of racing games I did growing up. Gran Turismo 3, NFS Carbon, Flatout 2, Burnout 3, Forza Motorsport 4, Split Second, Forza Horizon 1, Midnight Club 1... I've just always been able to get so much enjoyment from pretty much any racing game with good physics. That being said, I don't think I've ever played a REEEEAL Sim game, and the closest I've ever gotten was probably TOCA Race Driver 3 on the PS2. I'd love to try one at some point, but I just don't have the kind of money to spend on a decent rig to get the 'proper' experience.
Gran turismo is kinda a Sim game. It's way more realistic than most, I'd say it's a 7/10 on realism. Only games like Assetto Corsa, rFactor or iRacing have more realism than GT
@@RodrigoroRex Seems like an accurate assessment to me.
@@RodrigoroRex they're half arcade half sim its a simcade
I've played and enjoyed sims, but I always feel like they never compare to the real thing. There's always something missing from a sim that can't be made up for with a wheel/pedals, or even a VR headset. Great video king
For me it's the weight transfer. No matter how much you spend on a sim setup it just doesn't feel the same as driving a Honda Civic around a track. The weight transfer will make you engage all of your senses, making you use your body to feel the car moving.
Yeah you need to feel the g forces. Professional racing teams already have rigs that simulate real life force so maybe in a few years, as technology progresses, we can have those rigs at home or something
@@romiarkan450 You can get an actuated chair to shake your butt around, but it is impossible to simulate the acceleration.
Def the danger. You can't really die on a racing sim.
I am very into sim-racing games cause they offer you a challenge and it’s very satisfying to win a clean race but sometimes you just want to have fun and that’s when I enjoy the most arcade racing games something like wreckfest or Need for speed
I never enjoy arcade racers. Like never. It really gets boring when all you need to do is turn left or right. No challenge, and arcade games teach you nothing about driving a real car.
@@dmaster20ify It's all about what the individual wants. We're opposites and thats fine. I drive alot in real life so when I get home, I just want to turn my brain off and just have aome arcade/simcade fun.
For me personally , I don't have a controller ( or a wheel for that matter ). So i play on keyboard , so sim racing can become quite repetitive after some time. It is fun , but it's just not it for me. On mobile real racing 3 is quite fun and i used to play it at times.
If you consider arcade games like nfs heat. It has a sense of progression. You can get into the story , its great. There's so many crazy stuff to do and then there's cops like it's an adrenaline rush all around. An on top of that , customization. There's just something about customizing cars like crazy that you can't in real life. After that there's just a huge open world to explore , find hidden stuff , collectibles and just feeling the game world. It's amazing
Yeah, Simply arcade racing is just fun, Sim racing is retarded, because you don't have feeling of the car (and G-FORCES) and if you want realizm just go and drive real car
I play both Arcade and Sim as well.
I just want a street racing sim 😫Great story, progression, sim physics, highly detailed. No festival bs or pro racing team management, maybe some type of car club or underground syndicate of racers.
Juiced:yes
You just gotta enjoy both. I personally love simcades the most because they combine the best of the two worlds
Sim racing be like: vroooom car (serious racing) vrooom
Arcade racing: VROOOOOOOOOOOOM TATATATATATATATATATAT ENGINE SOUNDS WWAAAAAAAAAALUIGI VROOOM (Flyes and dies by a bug)
😂😂
NFS HEAT : Duar🔥 duar🔥
The craziest stuff always happens in arcade
Simply arcade racing is just fun, Sim racing is retarded, because you don't have feeling of the car (and G-FORCES) and if you want realizm just go and drive real car
@@A-BYTE64 i like sim racing more than arcade, but that is just preferences
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I like track racing more as i grew up more with stuff like that, having played Prostreet and Shift 2 and GT6 on my Ps3 growing up. But respect to arcades for being quick affordable fun most of the time
Personally I think Shift 2 is one of the best sim racers ever made
People will murder me for saying this but this is why I like Project Cars 3, yes the naming is horrible but it’s a fun balance of arcade and sim
I just can't afford sim racing, it costs half a monthly salary to get a G27 here. So I must stick to keyboard and controller.
_A racing game is a racing game_
Thats a decent quote.
100% intimidation factor for most people as the sim community is full of assholes I am a sim racer and see it a lot also people think it is too hard it’s really not it’s actually very fun to anyone wanting to try a sim do it don’t be intimidated there are some really cool people in sim racing who will be happy to help you out with wheel settings if you use one car setups and so on give it a try you’ll be hooked
Absolutely. Realistic doesn't equal hard or un-fun.
Depends on the game as well. iRacing can be very intimidating cause of the whole "competitive atmosphere". Assetto Corsa, you can just drive around offline and learn
It is not hard if you porpousfully leave a lot of safety margin, and slowly build up the pace to learn the limits of your setup, however that means you will be performing like shite for quiet a long time.
Or you can try and push yourself early, and in that case you will spin a lot.
Sims completely fail to tutor you, and give positive reinforcement, its something you invest 100 hours into on your own to be halfway capable of not endangering the fun of others.
Simcade and assists might be a possible gateway, but thats one more thing to invest energy into.
Granturismo has the best music for a sim racer
@OriginalFake it's still a sim racer
SUSHILOW 2ND SAYS: nice video bro, very well explained and nice skits bro.
Simply arcade racing is just fun, Sim racing is retarded, because you don't have feel of the car (and G-FORCES) and if you want realizm just go and drive real car
people should make more games in the middle, nothing beats the feeling of hearing you fans cheer you when you pass inches away from them in the dirt games
More arcades are needed, there is too much fucking "simularors"
Simply arcade racing is just fun, Sim racing is retarded, because you don't have feeling of the car (and G-FORCES) and if you want realizm just go and drive real car
@@A-BYTE64 As a person who mainly plays arcade racers, while I agree with you on the fact that far too many racing games nowadays are leaning more towards sim physics, you arent helping by being toxic towards the sim community. Both types of games have their charm, and the argument of telling them to drive a real car is not too smart, like you think an average Joe can just hop into a GT3 car whenever he wants? I think both communities need to set aside their differences, by being toxic this is what leads the sim community to hate the arcade community as well. At the end of the day, we all play for the thrill of the speed and to chase perfection.
Sim racing simply ain't affordable to most folks. It's that simple.
True. Having a crappy steering wheel of 100eu, I really want to upgrade because missing force feedback makes it so much less fun. But a good steering wheel starts at 250 bucks... 😅
@@aartwallow the used market is your friend
you can find used g29/g920 for much lower than new
@@aartwallow Thrustmaster T150, I got a brand new one for £170, 1080 degrees of rotation and force feedback. Only comes with two pedals though, no clutch so you can only do gears with the paddle shifters on the wheel. I later upgraded and got a compatible 3 pedal set and gear stick to go with the wheel. But seriously its the cheapest new force feedback wheel which you can find and it is a really good one.
@@bobmarley6306 seconded, I have the T150 too and the same 3 pedal set, had it for about 3 years now. It's a brilliant little wheel
@@MahmWithThePlan Oh wow im glad to hear it lasts a long time and is durable. I've also got the th8a gear stick and i love the set to bits I can't go back to a controller now.
Arcade: Project Cars 3 joined the lobby
For sure tho!
Honestly I’m a fan of simcade racing because you have a little bit of both genres
great video, i play arcade racing because I'm used to it and i have been playing with keyboard since my first time gaming and i never had a controller and the only times i use a wheel is when i go play racing games in a mall. i tried playing dirt rally and raceroom but i didnt enjoy because of keyboard, the closest thing to i played racing games on track are grid 2 and nfs prostreet
Simcades (in all the sense of the word) must come back. I miss those days of Gran Turismo 1-4, and I've never had the pleasure to try PGR (apart from Java).
Dude, how the hell you have so few subscribers?) I hope your channel blows up soon)
I cannot drive well in sim games. I would 100% be faster around a real track in a real car than in the sim and the reason for that without real feedback from the car it's hard to judge what it's actually doing. In a sim racer I would need of those crazy g force simulating rigs to even come close to the level of feedback a real car gives you but with just a wheel or just a controller it's just not possible to know what the car is doing. In a sim racer it feels like I'm always trying to figure out what the physics engine will do, rather than driving the car. I have to try to figure out what's going on with the car and track logically from knowing the physics rather than intuitively from feeling the car on track. For this reason I prefer arcade racers and for a more "realistic" experience I'll do sim-cade instead. For me, trying to drive realistically with no information from the car is just not fun, it's just babying the car and usually I end up overcooking it at some point anyway.
Your videos are brilliantly edited and really interesting, I can't understand why you don't have more views or popularity you deserve it : )
Ik he deserves way more views
As someone who considers himself more on the sim side I have to agree with sims lacking atmosphere, that is a good point. That’s why I love Project Cars 2.
Meh, to me sim games are slow and boring in general. respect to those who enjoy them, but I just can't. I took the time to learn and get good a driving sim but it never got fun. Just a lot of boring, tedious work. Arcade is just way more fun, more of a sense of speed, story elements, features etc....I play it a lot more which justifies my purchase.
2:23 Sssuuuch a goood example!!!
I just personally don't think of racing sims as "games" (some people gets mad when I say this). I just think _most_ of them as just that, a "simulator" for racing.
I very much get the appeal of racing sims, trying to be as immersive and making an experience as close to real life as possible is awesome. But most of the motivation to play a sim comes intrinsically like "I just want to be a better driver" or "I want to memorize this track) and for the life of me I just couldn't use those long enough to continue playing them.
What I truly love are actual racing "games", I want progressions, some cheap goals for me to strive towards, dumb medals and rewards for me to get, funky/unique setting or premise, and maybe some cheesy story on the side.
If I were to compare and make an analogy with these 2 genres, racing sims would be a sandbox that could only be as good as you make it to be and traditional racing games would be a theme park where it will only be as good as the devs envisioned (and of course develop) it to be.
Him:sim racing is harder than real life
Me:*laughs in flying in the sky when crashing in a go kart accident*
If you want to get into sim racing, you can slowly move to it. I started playing asphalt 8, then got the crew, the got forza horizon 4, and then got project cars 2, slowly getting more realistic with each game. Equipment can also be a bit expensive, so it is important to ask yourself if this is something you want to spend time and money on.
Both offer either a physics, music, explosions/intensity, career structure, circuit limits or open space/more open space on the core path and ability to go off track in arcade in rally or flatout/burnout. Different goals, different energy, different fun factor of restrictions. Open city highways/closed off ones. Open roads, closed off. Then underdog championship goal to a street ranking credit.
Serious or explosions, weapons, lifestyle/culture. More action movie then real car racing expectations even if via menus and events and sometimes story.
Music in Sims are a big part after the races and energy in the race. What because the licensed songs and vibes are different. I love the menu music of Sims not arcade because mostly aren't good cool off music between races or more than intense licensed songs. Licensed vary and most I don't care for in either.
Doing a cone event versus a time attack, drift, point a to b, destroy objects, elimination, zones, weapon, touge and more vary between arcade and Sims.
I forget about the audience on track sometimes but they can be lifeless.
Or some people want a Flatout minigames, or AI/derby moments. Or driving a sofa in Wreckfest because why not.
In terms of driving I find driving in real life harder and less fun then racing games. Whether my favourites that are somewhat arcade/simcade and I get used to elements of Sim racers always played them and the odd arcade of Outrun 2006 or Grid simcade to later MotorStorm, Driveclub, OnRush, PGR 1-4, Fuel, WipEout/F Zero, and many more.
The community is very particular. I agree but at the same time I do find I seek old/new ideas then just the same games or specifics. But yes the old/young can be seen as such. Whether 20+ maybe 30-40 year Olds in Sim community maybe versus whichever type in arcade.
Wheels are fine but yeah don't care to always use my wheel.
But yes intimidating even if depends on the side of the platform.
Funny bit there but ah. I think yeah Forza/GT are Sim but not deep as iRacing or others of course let alone annual ones like F1/MotoGP/WRC.
I do think the career modes were bad for 8th gen is an issue because the content/structure can likely bore people. The bowling, cone challenges in Forza Motorsport, I guess even GTI Club Tomatoes, Bomb hot potato, soccer, more silly can be more appealing with mode personality then just racing and other such are probably more appealing to casuals or core gamers the way they were in the 2000s.
I mean car soccer is what rocket league is after all. Besides lifestyle open world games. Yet Sims PC the GT/Forza Motorsport seems to offer some like the fuel, cone and more but it's kind of 30/40% of the game maybe 20% so it depends. Or they don't even notice those mode types. How someone ignores Forza Motorsport 3&4 if hillclimbs, cone challenges and bowling exist. Sure it's like 3 rows of the list of events but I mean they are there.
Wreckfest it's a mix of derby, racing and such but it's also very few times a bus, sofa, tractor kind of thing in them. Like the brief minigames in Flatout.
Outrun 2006 makes sense to just drive, do the tasks of gates, avoiding cars, hitting them, coins, gauging speed and more, get the cars/music/tracks and such as a bonus.
More out there ideas
I mean Sims bore me because the dealerhsyof PGR2, Sega GT car builder or Apex even. Shell designs of Supercar Street Challenge (arcade) among other ideas get left behind and we get oddd remix of ideas like Forza Motorsport 5-7 where they work but eh. While I mean 1 lap magic is cool but it took Forza Motorsport 6 games to do it. GT fuel challenges and cone ones are cool but yeah how many to offer in GT6 before you go oh racing again.
It depends.
It's why arcade modes vary of do races, unlock car classes of GT3 was fun but it's not the same as a bunch of event unlocks arcade career mode I think which would make more sense.
Dirt 3 made me go oh ok this is the rally events and gymkhana mix. It works, some are awkward to do but still work well enough as a back and forth.
Project Cars 3 somewhat does but the restrictions don't help either. And issues Shift 2 had 10 years ago while both I played back to back/close enough without a 10 year gap and it was clear what didn't change.
Besides the name/expectations from audiences. I sometimes have fun with it while sometimes not. Depends on the physics, the event type the AI. The career restrictions being too restrictive so grinding. Irs awkward.
a perfect example of both sim and a arcade gaming is Need for Speed shift. Shift was insane. The sense of speed with both realistic and arcadey. As the tunnel vision effect, the crashes, was too realistic. Everytime you crash the screen turns gray and you can’t see anything. The faster your car go the more blurry your vision gets. the unrealistic part was the cornering and how fast the cars felt. you would drift and slide every corner as you hear the tired screaming, and the speed is INSANE. if you were going 80 mph in the game, it AUTOMATICALLY felt like you were going 160 mph. I miss the game it was too memorable.
the best simcade racing game of all time
@@Treylendagreat2imo shift 2 and forza motorsport 4 were better but shift is not too far behind
sim racing in general feels dead
you see, an arcade racer can be whatever the hell it wants to be, devs can be much more creative with arcade racing, while sim racing is always the same thing, real tracks and gt3 cars which is really boring imo, i like kart racing with wacky items, futuristic racing with dizzying speeds, street racing with car tuning and cop chases sometimes, whatever the hell really
and music is probably the 3rd thing i valorize the most in a game, it just builds up an atmosphere and makes the game much more memorable (nfs most wanted for an example, you can't really imagine that game without shapeshifter or you'll be under my wheels, these songs are memorable just like the game and its aesthetic)
in general arcade racers are also easier to get into, you don't need to know how a car works, you don't need a steering wheel, only a controller, the plataform and the game itself
so yeah i think arcade > simulation racing
yeah Daytona without it's iconic intro wouldn't be as classic
I like both but I slightly prefer Arcade , because I am 14 and I'm not that patient to learn to change gears I tried I like it , not my thing.
Forza Motorsport 5 has music during races, and I think it's pretty cool
Music in Gran Turismo ❤️
It would be very interesting to be able to have my favourite NFS Heat car - 1 286 hp Corvette GS - imported to Asetto Corsa. Just to have some sort of experience how it would be in real life. I'm new to Asetto Corza and it's very fun and sometimes very frustrating.
I like arcade racers because I can't do that in real life. Anyone can buy a car and upgrade it with performance mods to take it to a track.
However street racing is illegal and can involve innocent people being hurt/killed and a long prison sentence.
I'm in a racing game identity crisis and i can't decide whether if i like arcade or sim racing games
And sim-cade doesn't work for me either
My issue with console heavy hitters us that they lack proper FOV settings and driving them is wierd because of that
I find sim racing boring because I mostly play games like burnout and NFS most wanted which has you dodging and weaving through traffic and raising absolute hell in the world you’re in. And in burnouts case you can even race dirty and wreck your opponents.
Have you played Assetto Corsa Compet or automobilista 2? Those hVe great graphics and atmosphere.
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Juiced, from 2005. The joy of trying to catch a good corner from a sim, combined with the bragging opponents from a an arcade racing game, combined with a gambling addiction after you bet $8000 on yourself AND THEN SPIN OUT IN THE LAST CORNER AND SUE YEN FROM THE VIXENS TAKES P1, LITERALLY LAST CORNER. I promise I am not mad. Not salty at all.
I'd like to see more middleground games like Wreckfest, realistic physics with slightly ridiculous tracks.
My biggest wish is that fh5 will be driveable with a wheel, that would be so awesome.
@@VV-ky1gz is FH4 not drivable with a wheel?
Yeah, it's not. Compare FH to GRID 2019 or DiRT 2 or 3 on a wheel - those are good arcade racers on a wheel.
ME: wheel on NFS and ACC and GT7
You forgot velocal combat. Car repair, team management, space racing, boat racing, car crashing, and stock car.
The thing that turns me off from Sims is that they make it so realistic that you are no longer really having any fun. I don't mind some more realistic physics and driving around real tracks instead of crashing into stuff with arcade-y physics, the issue is things like having to refuel, tire wear, races being like as long as real ones (who wants to play a single race for 30+ minutes?), having to do qualifying and practice before getting to the actual race (making that long time even longer), having to remember a whole bunch of extra functions like turning on/off a battery, planning race strategy, having to pit, etc.
That's why I like things like Forza, they have the realistic Sim feeling without all the extra cruft normal sims have. 5-10 minute races, no pitting, just drive.
I’d agree that’s why I dumped my sim games and play forza 7 and fh4 just a more enjoyable experience IMO but I also don’t like arcade I like it in the middle so forza again :)
Forza games only LOOK realistic and that's all.
Why does this only have 5k views? I thought this was alot higher quality than that
He's just getting recommended now. Once he grows more, he'll get more views
On the subject of cars being harder to drive in sims than real cars, it's probably because those games are simulating cars that are much faster than your average grocery getter, and those cars also lack some of the driving assists that the average street car has to make driving easier and safer.
Me personally, I prefer arcade racers for their raw thrills. My favorite racers are Burnout and F-Zero for their ridiculous speeds, snappy handling and drifting/power sliding, and not having to follow strict lines on a closed pro-racing course. It kinda goes along with with my general taste in games outside of racers, I like games with octane thrills where I get to do cool stuff. Realism isn't bad or anything but I like the fantasy in games, and generally faster paced games in any genre usually grab my attention more easily than slower paced ones (think Titanfall over Battlefield or Guilty Gear over Street Fighter).
For your first statement, the assist is not particulary true. I've drive a car without active assists like TC and SC and I still feel harder to play sims games because the power to weight ratio is too much that you need precisely to control the gas and/or clutch pedal. I don't have steering wheel controller, so I still stick with arcade games that friendly with keyboard and joystick.
I just love Arcade racers in general. Simracing and even Simcade games are way too boring and realistic, they’re just not fun for me. I just wanna pick a car that looks cool and go fast with simple controls. Simracing and Simcade feels very complicated.
And I am sad that Arcade racers are dying. I just want unrealistic fun back in my racing games.There are games like Hotshot Racing and even NFS Hot Pursuit 2010 Remastered, but that’s just it and only o e of them have a dead playerbase.
I just wanted to say that you don't need to lower your FFB lol I mean it comes with a personal feeling how you want it too be- I myself like a rough and hard FFB- (Just saying I got pretty good FFB settings on Assetto Corsa CM okay xd So just ask if you want the real deal (well just saying since it's hard to find the perfect everything.. I tried everything out and yeah.. I got my FFB how I think it's best lol. Why am I even writing this... Assetto Corsa isn't even the topic of the video lol
To me, I understand that everybody have different taste in game genres. So if you like sim racers that's ok. What I hate about them is, how we call it in our country, bag got tear up with them. There's so many sim racers and so little arcades even from indie community. So many game developers droped their arcade titles, and those who are still there, are bad
nice backyard u got
I prefer Arcade racing cause of the freedom, customization and more than just road racing
What about drive club 🤔 where does that sit?
DRIVECLUB is arcade.
I think both can be great. But one thing that really sucks is break to drift or the car starts drifting without a reason. For example like new Asphalt games and any NFS after Shift2. I prefer sims, because the car's movements are much more predictable, that's why I hate scripted drifting games where my cars start to drift randomly and wouldn't start when you wanted to. Old style arcades are the best like Ford Racing and the Undergrounds, plus I think the GRID series really nailed physics from GRID2.
But Forza Horizon gives the nest balance between the 2 styles, after that Forza Motorsport.
Holy shit tell me about it. I have attempted to do pendulum turns on the canyon runs in nfs carbon, and the unholy display of black magic the artificial physics system produced as a result caused me physical pain to behold.
Somehow the inbuilt stability assist, when you try to porpousfully utilize instability to take a corner turns you backwards and acdelerates you straight into the outer corner wall with phantom forces.
Its just bizarre.
Gran Turismo 3 and 5 are my favorite sim racers
They’re more arcade than sim.
@@ghostieeboi gran turismo is arcade?
@@bsosmoove simcade.
@@ghostieeboi so what games are full on sim?
@@bsosmoove Asseto Corsa, Project cars 2, iRacing, BeamNG, Live for Speed, Rfactor, F1, and Dirt Rally.
I would like to see your opinion on wreckfest
I just enjoy playing racing simulator games also enjoy arcade racing simulator games
Arcade racing all day, although I did play the hell out of Gran Turismo 2.
I don't try too many sim games because I'd need a wheel and it makes me sad that I'll never have the spare money bros ...
I think you should take a look at f1 sim racers their actually very different from what you describe, people like Aarava and Tiamerduk
Sim-cade is the answer for everyone then.
I like Real racing 3 and i like the need for speed series i also like burnout paradise
Which was that game u plated in start
*played
Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit (2010)
you said you ll talk why arcade racers dont get into sim and why sim racers wont get into arcade , but you only talked about why arcaders don get into sims you dint really talk bout why sim racers dont get into arcade
I think part of that boils down to most entrenched sim racers being pretty likely to dump a bunch of money on a sim rig. A Wheel, pedals, shifter, and all that extra stuff can add up to quite a big chunk of money. "I already spent the money on it and set it up, so I may as well get as much value out of it as possible."
On the other hand, pretty much every arcade/sim-cade racing game only requires a console, a copy of the game, and the controller.
I feel it's a similar situation as PC vs Non-PC gamers. You can dump SO much money into PC gaming that once you do, you never want to turn back in fear of feeling like you wasted a ton of time and money.
@@jaygiemtg7511 Turing machines are turing machines, control setups are control setups.
Just as a PC can BE a console through the magic of emulation, a sim rig can play any game set up for analog input.
And I think it comes down to complexity.
Arcade games can become trivial to someone practiced with a sim, unless instead of the fine control they specifically focus on an extreme pace.
Yeah. Gran turismo sport is a game where you can plug a steering wheel and play it like an actual sim and it is realistic. But when you just want to go and hit the gas on tokyo or any other street circuit with a controller, it is like an arcadeish game that is easy to play with both wheel and controller.
I really, really want to try GT Sport with my wheel, but I have the Xbox/PC compatible Logitech G920. Hope I can get a DriveHub to try it on my PS4.
@@TheJakeMG I hope you can try it. But unfortunately if you are below B S rating you are probably not gonna have great races because dirty racers. But when you go to C ratings end, you will start to have very clean races. I am about to go to B rating and there is clean racing.
What about 70% arcade 30% Simulation?
forza
@@prod.gregupnext2958
Yeah i know but i want more games like that
They call Simcade
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Here's your taco, mister.
As a sim racer at heart I always love to hop on an arcade racer just foe a bit of a laugh
I think to summarize it arcade racing fans are basically casual racing fans who really are not that hardcore into game mechanics and physics and just want to have a good experience and care more about graphics
Where is Sim fans are more like gearheads for who take a deep dive into niche details and realistic driving experience
I love sims for the massively better driving experience, but they hardly offer any reason to experience it. They're barely even games, just software toys. Just a barebones menu system with no real 'game' aspects at all. A quick tour of the cars and tracks and I'm done. It wouldn't take a lot of time or effort to wrap some basic CarPG elements around things, or even just some quick preset challenges. But they don't even try.
U can play sim racing game as an arcade racing, if you want to..😝
They're both good to me.
I think that the main problem with simracers not playing arcade racing games is lack of good arcade racing games. For me at least, most of new arcade racing games feel extremely bad. I've replayed NFS Carbon, Shift 2 and MW, PGR4, Burnout Paradise, FM2 and FM4 recently and I've had a blast. I really wanted to enjoy NFS Heat and Grid 2019. I really wanted to. Yesterday I've uninstalled Heat for the 4th time. There is no fun in driving and it is just exhausting. For me quick test of whether driving model is good or not is driving slow car around technical stage. It has to be fun, it has to be possible to "upset" car enough to break grip, there has to be smooth and visible weight transfer. Enthusia, Gran Turismo, Forza Motorsport 4 and Project Gotham Racing 4 are amazing at making driving FUN.
About simracing community itself: most of guys here actually enjoy many arcade games. Wreckfest and Art of Rally are examples of games I know many simracers pick up regularly. I am in search for fun circuit racing games to pick up casually with gamepad.
I have to add that I disagree with opinion that simracing is hard: it is hard to become top tier competitive but just getting behind a wheel and driving "good enough" is easier as you already have most of skills required. I have "tracked" my Impreza few times now and driving one in Assetto Corsa (mod by Stereo on RaceDepartment) feels almost identical. Setting your wheel up is easier than ever as there are already big amount of great setups available online. I also doubt that you've hit over 1,5g lateral force or drove above 200km/h in your road car.
5:17 its not intimidation some people just like the arcadey handling way more
Sim racing gets boring day after day
That's why blur NFS MW 2005 split 2ND velocity have more Replay value than Grid or Forza games
Grid and forza games aren’t sim though lmao they’re arcade sim
I agree with you on the sim racing games in general but I don't agree with you on forza or grid games. At least for me.
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@@prod.gregupnext2958 nowhere near a sim bro, more like sim-cade I’ve played forza Motorsport and it’s nowhere near stuff like assetto corsa or project cars 2
GRID nor Forza are sims. I would also disagree that games like Split/Second they have more replay value than a sim. It's down to your taste.
UPDATE: changed my mind, decided to get a Thrustmaster T150 with a Reasnow Crosshair S1 converter instead, just gotta set it up is all
ORIGINAL: Speaking as someone in which the closest thing to a Sim they played was a demo of Gran Turismo 5, probably going to be awhile before/if I decide to get into sims. Mainly cuz there's a bunch of other simcades I still want to play like Tourist Trophy on PS2. Though to maybe help grow my interest, I'm bout to get a wheel, probably the DOYO 270 cuz it seems decent and I can use it across different platforms.
I would say that Forza Motorsport 6 is a sim
I Think Arcade Game Is Way Better COZ It's Fully Challenging. satisfied Nitrous, So Many Things
"driving in sim is way harder than driving irl" 😂😂 😂😂😂 try driving at 12pm at 100 degrees plus 😂😂😂😂 knowing that your life is on the line should anything go wrong 😂😂😂😂😂
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GRID is the best arcade racing game
Arcade is for kids who easily get bored of everything and don't appreciate the driving experience or engine note. They prefer a crappy music in the background. People who complain that the car is too hard to drive do not know how to drive. Game developers probably think that it scares the players away and they go the same way as a every bad hollywood movie where you have to trump the previous one with unrealistic action and lots of explosions. While drifting you get more points by crashing into things than from a proper clean drift just like in a Forza game. Some games like GTA 5 won't let you drift (power slide is not a drift) at all cause slippy cars are too hard to drive for most kiddos. The Crew Motorfest is just another arcade like NFS, can't slide a car smoothly without causing a madness in the area. People would respond: yea you're just a bad driver. No, I can drift very well in Forza and some other more realistic sim games. Every racing game or any game which include cars should have a option to do both, drive with or without a traction control. I personally always turn every HELP off, including background music, use the most slippery tires and make clean runs because I CAN DRIVE. And you can too, you can learn, raising kids in cotton candy helps no one, life is hard and they should learn it in a young age to become prepared :)
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aint reading all that, hyperrealism sucks
Ridge Racer is fun and has some of the best bangers tho
I want cars to behave like... well cars.
That's why I enjoy Forza Horizon but cannot enjoy NFS or other arcede racers. Need for Speed is to racing what Tony Hawk games are to skateboarding. They are about the idea of the sport, but don't feel like the real deal.
In Forza Horizon you can do some intense realistic racing if you so choose, but you can also do quite unrealistic stuff. The cars' handling however is always based on real world car behaviour.
In Nead for Speed and most other arcade racers, drivng is heavily stylized to a point where it's its own separate things. You cannot take your knowledge from real racing to those arcade games, beecause they function completely different. In those games Drifting, boosting, tuning etc. have nothing in common with real cars. In Forza Horizon however, you can apply all your knowledge about Racing line, breaking, race strategy, car tuning, etc...
While I get what you mean and also understand your preference is more on the simulator side
You must understand that arcade racers don't feel like the real deal because that's the point, they're not the real deal. They're the "what if"s of the racing genre
Plus, Need for speed heavily focuses on illegal street racing and intense cop chases. How do you do that with realistic physics? A single cop car side slamming your car and you're done, pursuit's over
NFS is stylised because it has to be. Forza, Asseto Corsa, iRacing (all great sim games btw) cannot give you the intense cop chases of NFS now, can they?
They offer something different and NFS (and other arcades) offer something else
Horizon is not pro racing tho, it’s Forza Motorsport.
Need for Speed Shift was lit!
its true that in ever review or gameplay i saw about racing sim games , they feal so dead like why are you even playing kinda vibe
Yeah, talk about me. I'm an all time NFS fan and now I'm playing F1 22 on a daily basis 😂
Wait is forza Motorsport 7 really that bad that you had to say “what the hell is this?”
No forza 7 is a good game and very enjoyable
I Love sims but a Perfect sim for me whould be a fusion of dirt 4 and dirt rally 2.0
Off topic: The ps5 could change the whole experience of both categories
Then there be destruction racers such as flatout, burnout, and some dimilar games
Also beamng goes brrrr
BeamNG is probably without exaggeration the most accurate physics simulation in any racing game, making it per definition, the most accurate sim on the market, yet you dont ever see it mentioned.
One wonders why.
Sim Racing is neither enjoyable nor available for the broad audience.
Arcade>sim
Dont @ me
😂 funny
simracers are car guys and arcade racers are gamers
I'm a car guy and I prefer arcade racers
Racing WITHOUT any kind of Music (preferably Rock/Metal/Electronic, fuck off Rap/Hip-Hop 🙄) isn't any good imo 🤷♂️