@@NexGenSubies I have thought of trading the STI in for a supra in the future because I really like the supra too but I don’t know if I could ever sell the STI I love it too much. I really wanna get a tomei exhaust for mine though
The VB can make 400hp with ethanol blend with just an intake, turbo back exhaust and reliably, just need to upgrade the clutch and you’re solid. That’s the beauty of the fa24, direct injection, and not having to break the bank for performance on a stock block.
you should really drive a 500 to 650WHP sti. those are like the sweet spot in these cars and youll piss yourself hahaha. mine was 620whp and was bad as shit man
I don't think you should regret your VB purchase at all. This VA STi has tens of thousands of dollars of modifications, which you CAN do to your VB!!! You can put an STi transmission from FlatIrons or somewhere else, and build the FA 24 withall of the modifications on this VA, switching from only direct injection to both direct and port injection, and your "built" car will beat the VA you have in this video! No regrets Sepp 😊
I'm no expert on VBs but I have Built G3 nothing left untouched or unmodified inside the engine case and outside however throwing on such turbo and port injection doesn't constitute "built". From Subarus proven track record of shitting themselves with over 300hp I can say fa isn't any better... Happy to be corrected
@sarverg2207 thanks for you're message. Forgive me if I wasn't clear; by suggesting that the proposed VB have the STi tranny, and port injection, was not thr full list of mods needed, but to continue with the rest of the modifications the VA STi owner did for his car to build it from short block and internal upgrades, through to the finish, because it was plain to see the VA had at 20, 000+ of parts, labour, RnD, and dino time to get that reliable 400hp.
Had my 2015 STI for almost eight years. First engine went at 105k and second at 155k after hard driving. Now getting cp pistons installed. Engine gonna be rated for 600whp. Paired with my Recaro Japan sr7 seats, 20g turbo, equal headers, Volk ce28 wheels, Cusco braces and fortune auto swift springs coil. It’s a perfect car. Never wanted a rotated turbo STI. Love the low end torque these have.
I have a VA WRX and I built it, makes about 500whp. Pretty quck car, only reason everyone prefers the STI over both VB or VA WRX is because the transmission is much much more stout, if you want to make high horsepower numbers it’s better.
And the sti has limited slip diffs unlike the wrx, wishbone suspension, unlike the wrx, real power steering, unlike the wrx, and actually sounds good, unlike the wrx. Stock for stock (which is all I care about). Sti is a real car. Wrx is just unfinished
It’s no surprise stock for stock the STI is the more performance packed car. The WRX has always been the more liveable, less motorsport orientated car. It has a balance of being daily drivable and also fun to just toss around. Both cars are pretty real to me, one is higher performing than the other sure, but the WRX isn’t unfinished. It has its place in the subaru lineup as a sportier option than the impreza, but will not and should not fill role of the STI. It boggles my mind people are looking to find STI performance in a stock WRX, it’s a WRX, not a STI.
@@ianholmquist8492 Classic sti guy take the stick out of ur ass. Both are great platforms nothing unfinshed on the wrx. Im also pushing 500whp whats ur ej pushing if u even own a car.
Just put built 2007 STI into my 2000 GC8 coupe ready in next 2 weeks 350/400 hp it is a single owner car with 400000 k on the car but it is basically new
VB WRX as told by my friends who own one has a bit of chassis flex compared to the Civic Type R, Integra Type R, and GR Corolla. It's very slight, but enough to make it substantial. You're not wrong in the regret. Something feels a bit cheaper in the VB compared to the "final" STI.
Vb doesn't have any noticeable flex at all an definitely doesn't compared to sti the new chassis is like 35% stiffer than last gen which was stiffer then the gens before
@apex_gr there's tons of articles out there about the stiffness an rigidity improvements of the new chassis from going to the global platform you just don't know what your talking about
@@JoshDillon-lm3hw real world experience beats some nerd talking percentages. he same goes for the RX8 vs FD RX7 but no one cares about the RX8. Same with the VB WRX. It’ll be a forgotten car.
How much did he spend to get to 400whp?? All you need on the VB is an intake, Ethanol and a tune and you’re at 400, unlike the STi, that’s why VA STi owners hate us, so don’t regret getting your VB
@@claudio_wrx I can’t say the price for sure, but if you look at the build list and get the cost for each, it’s not cheap. Labor on top of that all will be even more.
Do you guy think a rwd sti worth it? I been seeing a conversion kit where you replace the spool by deleting the dccd. No welding. I’m going to do it fuck it!!!!!
I think the biggest Wins for FA20 and FA24, is the timing chain. After doing my 3rd timing belt on my car, EJ257, I can't lie a timing chain lasting roughly the life of the vehicle, is sounding pretty sweet. At least for a daily with 400whp or less, any excuse to not pull my motor for maintenance is a win for sure. To be clear, I love my EJ, it's built stout, but I'm the one that works on my car, so less wrench time is more seat time.
I’ve got a 2015 sti and I really enjoy it. ACT HDSS clutch, Grimmspeed Intake/Catted dp and the Cobb nextgen flex fuel kit. Car feels fantastic on E85.
Nice vid. Owning a vb I wish the in cabin motor sound were a bit more inspiring like the ej . I feel ya, I don’t regret getting the vb but still an STI /EJ is special. Anyway I’d be scared to buy a used STI😅 and not planning on tuning and mods
A used STI is a roll of the dice sometimes. Even if you get all the inspections in the world, it could still be lemon. But, in the near future I do want a STI project car. Even if the engine grenades, it’ll give me an excuse to start building up a motor similar to Jay’s STI. But for a brand new, warranty backed, fun everyday car, the VB still takes the spot for me!
Such a pleasant and enjoyable video. Your videos and commentary really are a pleasure to watch. Thank you for sharing and creating this channel, Sepp! 🥰 (from an 04 STi owner )
That turbo is good for 500 and he has literally every supporting mod needed to make the power without having to worry about anything. I wonder why he only wants to make 400.
Probably takes care of to track days & about 450whp is where wear & tear starts to go up substantially. Also cost to endure lap after lap becomes harder.
Yall comparing two different cars. STI - Engine based on racing platform, 6 piston brembos, race suspension/chassis, 2 LSDs and a electronic center diff, close ratio (just like the type r) strong transmission, hydraulic steering, much more sport oriented interior (alcantara, red leather, seat belts), and ofcourse looks and sounds alot better (looks subjective, sound objective lol). 19+ STIs also have the stronger internals, hence why the S209 uses it (makes 370whp just with a tune). Everyone saying oh 400hp is easier, yeah sure, what about 450? Once you start looking to upgrade the turbo is when you gotta put money into any wrx/sti engine platform. The fa24 is literally an fa20 with slightly more displacement. The VB is not hitting 450 on stock turbo. The STI can with slightly upgraded turbo and E. At the end of the day, VB is a good compact family sedan. STI is a driver focused true sports car. The aftermarket support is also something yall need to consider. Hundreds of built blocks and internal upgrades already exist for the STI, with supporting mods. But yeah its a discontinued car. So nothing wrong with buying a VB, just stop saying its a better car cause it can hit 350-400hp easier lol. So could the VA wrx, same story. For this gen, Id prob swing for a golf r, type r, or integra type s, even a supra. Yes all more expensive but youre gonna mod your VB anyway with wheels, aero, engine, etc. Better to finance a more exp car than lose cash outright on mods
I love my 2019 STI. The new vb wrx is a great platform but I prefer the everything about the STI
I regret selling my 21 STI for a supra to then get into a VB lol(missed manual). Now I want another 21 STI🥲
@@NexGenSubies I have thought of trading the STI in for a supra in the future because I really like the supra too but I don’t know if I could ever sell the STI I love it too much. I really wanna get a tomei exhaust for mine though
I have a 2021 sti love it
The VB can make 400hp with ethanol blend with just an intake, turbo back exhaust and reliably, just need to upgrade the clutch and you’re solid. That’s the beauty of the fa24, direct injection, and not having to break the bank for performance on a stock block.
you should really drive a 500 to 650WHP sti. those are like the sweet spot in these cars and youll piss yourself hahaha. mine was 620whp and was bad as shit man
I don't think you should regret your VB purchase at all. This VA STi has tens of thousands of dollars of modifications, which you CAN do to your VB!!! You can put an STi transmission from FlatIrons or somewhere else, and build the FA 24 withall of the modifications on this VA, switching from only direct injection to both direct and port injection, and your "built" car will beat the VA you have in this video! No regrets Sepp 😊
I'm no expert on VBs but I have Built G3 nothing left untouched or unmodified inside the engine case and outside however throwing on such turbo and port injection doesn't constitute "built". From Subarus proven track record of shitting themselves with over 300hp I can say fa isn't any better... Happy to be corrected
@sarverg2207 thanks for you're message. Forgive me if I wasn't clear; by suggesting that the proposed VB have the STi tranny, and port injection, was not thr full list of mods needed, but to continue with the rest of the modifications the VA STi owner did for his car to build it from short block and internal upgrades, through to the finish, because it was plain to see the VA had at 20, 000+ of parts, labour, RnD, and dino time to get that reliable 400hp.
10s of thousands in mods actually make any car way worse, not better. The sti is better because it's a sti, simple as that.
Thanks for the comment!
And then an evo comes and takes both out 😂
Had so many different STIs went to an fl5 won't be going back
Do you want to buy my GM coupe 2001 impreza?
Had my 2015 STI for almost eight years. First engine went at 105k and second at 155k after hard driving. Now getting cp pistons installed. Engine gonna be rated for 600whp. Paired with my Recaro Japan sr7 seats, 20g turbo, equal headers, Volk ce28 wheels, Cusco braces and fortune auto swift springs coil. It’s a perfect car. Never wanted a rotated turbo STI. Love the low end torque these have.
I have a VA WRX and I built it, makes about 500whp. Pretty quck car, only reason everyone prefers the STI over both VB or VA WRX is because the transmission is much much more stout, if you want to make high horsepower numbers it’s better.
And the sti has limited slip diffs unlike the wrx, wishbone suspension, unlike the wrx, real power steering, unlike the wrx, and actually sounds good, unlike the wrx. Stock for stock (which is all I care about). Sti is a real car. Wrx is just unfinished
It’s no surprise stock for stock the STI is the more performance packed car. The WRX has always been the more liveable, less motorsport orientated car. It has a balance of being daily drivable and also fun to just toss around. Both cars are pretty real to me, one is higher performing than the other sure, but the WRX isn’t unfinished. It has its place in the subaru lineup as a sportier option than the impreza, but will not and should not fill role of the STI. It boggles my mind people are looking to find STI performance in a stock WRX, it’s a WRX, not a STI.
@@ianholmquist8492 Classic sti guy take the stick out of ur ass. Both are great platforms nothing unfinshed on the wrx. Im also pushing 500whp whats ur ej pushing if u even own a car.
Just put built 2007 STI into my 2000 GC8 coupe ready in next 2 weeks 350/400 hp it is a single owner car with 400000 k on the car but it is basically new
Nice man. Those kind of numbers in a GC8 is an absolute riot!
VB WRX as told by my friends who own one has a bit of chassis flex compared to the Civic Type R, Integra Type R, and GR Corolla. It's very slight, but enough to make it substantial. You're not wrong in the regret. Something feels a bit cheaper in the VB compared to the "final" STI.
Vb doesn't have any noticeable flex at all an definitely doesn't compared to sti the new chassis is like 35% stiffer than last gen which was stiffer then the gens before
@@JoshDillon-lm3hw You're high bro.
@apex_gr there's tons of articles out there about the stiffness an rigidity improvements of the new chassis from going to the global platform you just don't know what your talking about
@@JoshDillon-lm3hw real world experience beats some nerd talking percentages. he same goes for the RX8 vs FD RX7 but no one cares about the RX8. Same with the VB WRX. It’ll be a forgotten car.
@apex_gr had a 20 va sti before my vb so I know the difference also own a rx8 lol but I like cars
beautiful sti
Just put built 2007 STI into my 2000 GC8 coupe ready in next 2 weeks 350/400 hp
Those numbers in a GC8 will be an absolute riot!
How much did he spend to get to 400whp?? All you need on the VB is an intake, Ethanol and a tune and you’re at 400, unlike the STi, that’s why VA STi owners hate us, so don’t regret getting your VB
@@claudio_wrx I can’t say the price for sure, but if you look at the build list and get the cost for each, it’s not cheap. Labor on top of that all will be even more.
Dont regret the buying the VB! Come drive mine. It makes 504whp/435wtq! Will make you want to build it
@@codycain2518 are you in Alberta lol?? I’d be down
@@codycain2518 are you in Alberta lol?? I’d be down
I drove vb ended buying sti didnt wanna regret it
Do you guy think a rwd sti worth it? I been seeing a conversion kit where you replace the spool by deleting the dccd. No welding. I’m going to do it fuck it!!!!!
I don’t regret the VB. I think I’d regret fixing up someone’s used sti. If they made a new sti then I’ll trade in my VB
Worded wrong? Vb have crazy potential
Cars not even powerful your vb would smash it. Bolt ons boring
I think the biggest Wins for FA20 and FA24, is the timing chain. After doing my 3rd timing belt on my car, EJ257, I can't lie a timing chain lasting roughly the life of the vehicle, is sounding pretty sweet. At least for a daily with 400whp or less, any excuse to not pull my motor for maintenance is a win for sure. To be clear, I love my EJ, it's built stout, but I'm the one that works on my car, so less wrench time is more seat time.
Thanks for sharing!
I’ve got a 2015 sti and I really enjoy it. ACT HDSS clutch, Grimmspeed Intake/Catted dp and the Cobb nextgen flex fuel kit. Car feels fantastic on E85.
have you notice any noise from that clutch at idle? im looking at getting that one some reviews said there was a rattle
Nice vid. Owning a vb I wish the in cabin motor sound were a bit more inspiring like the ej . I feel ya, I don’t regret getting the vb but still an STI /EJ is special. Anyway I’d be scared to buy a used STI😅 and not planning on tuning and mods
A used STI is a roll of the dice sometimes. Even if you get all the inspections in the world, it could still be lemon. But, in the near future I do want a STI project car. Even if the engine grenades, it’ll give me an excuse to start building up a motor similar to Jay’s STI. But for a brand new, warranty backed, fun everyday car, the VB still takes the spot for me!
Such a pleasant and enjoyable video.
Your videos and commentary really are a pleasure to watch.
Thank you for sharing and creating this channel, Sepp! 🥰
(from an 04 STi owner )
@@fredastaire6156 thank you for the comment! I appreciate it ✌️
If you have the money to throw in go for an sti. If you just want to go fbo get a vb.
True
That turbo is good for 500 and he has literally every supporting mod needed to make the power without having to worry about anything. I wonder why he only wants to make 400.
Conservative power
Probably takes care of to track days & about 450whp is where wear & tear starts to go up substantially. Also cost to endure lap after lap becomes harder.
Cool video, interesting seeing the STI and your thoughts on it.
Thank you for the comment!
The vb is really just a daily driver economy car. Sti is a completely different animal
Yall comparing two different cars. STI - Engine based on racing platform, 6 piston brembos, race suspension/chassis, 2 LSDs and a electronic center diff, close ratio (just like the type r) strong transmission, hydraulic steering, much more sport oriented interior (alcantara, red leather, seat belts), and ofcourse looks and sounds alot better (looks subjective, sound objective lol). 19+ STIs also have the stronger internals, hence why the S209 uses it (makes 370whp just with a tune).
Everyone saying oh 400hp is easier, yeah sure, what about 450? Once you start looking to upgrade the turbo is when you gotta put money into any wrx/sti engine platform. The fa24 is literally an fa20 with slightly more displacement. The VB is not hitting 450 on stock turbo. The STI can with slightly upgraded turbo and E. At the end of the day, VB is a good compact family sedan. STI is a driver focused true sports car.
The aftermarket support is also something yall need to consider. Hundreds of built blocks and internal upgrades already exist for the STI, with supporting mods. But yeah its a discontinued car. So nothing wrong with buying a VB, just stop saying its a better car cause it can hit 350-400hp easier lol. So could the VA wrx, same story. For this gen, Id prob swing for a golf r, type r, or integra type s, even a supra. Yes all more expensive but youre gonna mod your VB anyway with wheels, aero, engine, etc. Better to finance a more exp car than lose cash outright on mods