The lack of se is so real. I feel like it’s so much easier for me to not do something (like abstaining from eating) than it it is to make myself do something like lift consistently
I loved this video. When I first got into the world of typology, I knew I was INFP, but I believed I was 5w4 sx/sp (I tend to be people-watching, intuitively curious, and very introverted) and IEE (I was an extroverted, curious, and well-liked girl when I was a kid). As I read more about the enneagram, I saw that there was something wrong with my core motivations and I ended up finding myself as 2w1 sx/sp. Being a type 2 sx and at the same time an IEE didn't seem right to me, as it would make me much more extroverted and socially oriented than I consider myself to be. I knew I was delta quadra because of the "good and evil/right vs. wrong" divisions in my thought patterns, so yesterday I finally decided to read EII. Everything resonated with me, except the stoic face thing and the thing about being a "super caring and kind-hearted" person (which should be one of the main characteristics, so I'm a little unsure...) I only keep the stoic face if it's a place where I don't know the others. If I'm at least somewhat comfortable, I'm expressive without even realizing it or trying, it just comes naturally. I laugh easily, too. Well, I was a self-righteous moralist in my early teens. I loved my friends more than my family, but I had rules set in my mind about what was a "good friend or good person" and what wasn't. And anyone who didn't act like it, I would lash out at (I wasn't overly aggressive, but I would make my point about how wrong it was and then give the person the cold shoulder until I thought they learned their lesson). Of course, these rules applied to me as well, and when a friend made me think I had violated them, I would cry in my room and feel like the worst person in the world for days, unlovable. In my late teens, certain events made me do a 360 and I became more passive, more open-minded, more introverted, more observant and motivated to find myself. That said, I feel far from being a "kind and caring soul". I have compassion for others and I move to help them without expecting anything in return, as long as that help doesn't take up too much of my time. I am extremely stingy with my time, which is easily my biggest flaw. It is much easier for me to spend money/give my food to a homeless person every day, than to spend time volunteering at a charity that collects food to distribute to the homeless. Also, I'm not really good at comforting others, I'm more of a counselor type, but people never listen to my advice, so I eventually get tired of having the same conversation over and over again and just listen to the rant, which leaves me frustrated in parts (because 1- you're taking up my time again with something I've already taught you how to solve, 2- you're wrong here, but if I tell you that you're wrong, you'll put on a whole emotional show and I just don't have the energy for that and 3- I start to question my own character by thinking "the fact that you choose not to correct something that you condemn either shows that you don't condemn it as much as you thought, or shows a flaw in your own character"), but I end up convincing myself that going through these frustrations is necessary, because sometimes people just want to be heard and that's what a good person would do. Yes, I'm quite compassionate. Yes, I forgive very easily as long as the person apologizes. Yes, I am quite tolerant of other people's flaws; but I can see my own moral defects as clear as day, so I don't consider myself any more "caring and kind-hearted" than my sister LII, for example, or many others I know. Apart from that, EII beats everything. Do you think it can still be EII? I am a 21-year-old woman, if that matters. I used the translator too, I hope you understand.
You described it so well. I kept on being grouped into IEE but it didnt fit. It was close but it didnt fit but this makes sense. The reactions and the outlook are exactly how I am. The struggle with Se
I’ll be completely uninterested in something until someone tells me I can’t do it or I’m incapable of it, then I will move mountains to make it happen. I will make it happen even when the said person never knows I did. I have to prove it to and for myself, it’s pretty nutty how easily manipulated I can be that way I admit, Lol.
This is 98% me, not surprising since I'm an INFJ. But the 2% that doesn't resonate with me is the bit about EIIs not having a strong how-to ability. Because one of the nicknames I've heard INFJs called is the practical or down-to-earth mystic, or in other words the spiritual type who can get stuff done, which certainly is true of me. I chuckled over the "needs a daddy" comment because I have generally always been called upon to be the daddy. I don't know if this is relevant, but when I took the type test yesterday, I was typed as an ESI. When I read Augusta's profile of the ESI, it just was not me. By pure coincidence I stumbled upon the EII profile and started reading it and was like yes, this is me. Then I come across this video and I think, Well, no duh, that's because EII is INFJ. I evidently answered some statements wrong on the test to be mistyped as an ESI, unless that tends to happen. Anyway, I liked your video very much and you have a new subscriber. BTW the lighting is 👍👍.
Just found your channel and am enjoying it! I'm recently on a kick to put to rest my socionics type and am ingesting a lot of content. I self typed as IEI for a few years but am wondering if I could be EII, a common mistype. Or a different type?! Anyway, thanks :)
@@klp3309 Well there could be a misunderstanding of Fe, mistyping, or you’re just a warm appearing EII. Then there’s culture , the people involved etc… EII would be a noticeably feeling type that has Si in the mobilized position so caring about your comfort makes sense.
Part of this should be valid for LII as well, right? Or does the different quadra color everything differently, even if they are the same elements in the same positions?
whats weird, i think i compensate as a male infp for the lack of Se, i try intentionally try to make more money, i ride everyday to work 1 hour and 1 hour back, i dont care if it snows or rains and pride myself on it, i work out 6 days a week and don't quit because its so uncomfortable, i learnt to make pain a part of my life. I like more quite work were i can repair stuff, with some good friends. I was at times quite unempathic and didnt really care about homeless people only about myself, i think because people in general dissapointed me.
I have heard of NF types feeling like they need to compensate to either fit in, compete with more “masculine” types or because they simply feel that it’s expected of them.
Do you think it's possible that I'm an EII? I am an INTP 5w4 Sx/so. I have a lot of doubts, because I see Intp's lower Fe as the opposite of this type, but I identify a lot with him, maybe LII, but I'm more like Eii really.
@@PracticalSocionics my experience is that I have typically tried to keep things calm and just get along, plus I don’t really like hurting others so while I am honest I soften my words a lot. There have been at least a handful of times where under extreme stress, I get set off and resort to physicality, something I avoid at all costs now as I don’t like it and don’t want to be that way. I relate a lot to this type and high Fi but sometimes doubt because I have had those moments of outward aggression here and there when I didn’t know how else to handle my emotions and anxiety. Great videos by the way!
@@justinb9612 Any type is capable of being aggressive or assertive depending on the context. An EII will likely try to avoid conflict by finding a diplomatic solution or just leaving if they don’t think it’s worth it. But is extreme situations or if the issue is important enough to the EII, they may feel that aggression is warranted.
@@PracticalSocionics good to know. It’s easy to get caught up in stereotypes. Some of us come up with psychological ways to cope that might not be reflective of our true nature, and may even be the total opposite of our nature.
No. It’s more about competing to acquire more. In the case of a job, it’s about going after promotions, financial bonuses, moving upwards in the office hierarchy. Along the way those things can lead to prestige. But it’s really about the drive to go after getting more tangible rewards.
@@PracticalSocionicsok, thanks for the explanation. I think Se is about competitive sports as well. Somehow, I was and still seeing EII playing sports, like some of football/soccer players originated from SeDom culture-based countries such as Spain. And they're mistaken as ISFP... Sorry for mixing up Socionics type code with MBTI type code. The case of Bojan Krkic Perez gives me headaches lasting for several months, but I keep believing that he's Delta Quadra EII, while many says he is an ISFP because he's not showing any Se PoLR.
They like to be seen as succesfull (or rather, NOT to be seen as failure), but at the same time, do not actually want to be in a spotlight and the center of attention usually 🤔
The lack of se is so real. I feel like it’s so much easier for me to not do something (like abstaining from eating) than it it is to make myself do something like lift consistently
I did not expect you to say that EIIs "need a Daddy" lmfao
An extroverted thinking daddy
@@PracticalSocionics mhm, guess I was thinking of a different kind of daddy
@@Mariahtchi I’ve known some that like those type of daddy’s too.
Justifiably confident Te is totally hot.
@@alisonfisher1877 oh i totally agree
I loved this video. When I first got into the world of typology, I knew I was INFP, but I believed I was 5w4 sx/sp (I tend to be people-watching, intuitively curious, and very introverted) and IEE (I was an extroverted, curious, and well-liked girl when I was a kid). As I read more about the enneagram, I saw that there was something wrong with my core motivations and I ended up finding myself as 2w1 sx/sp. Being a type 2 sx and at the same time an IEE didn't seem right to me, as it would make me much more extroverted and socially oriented than I consider myself to be. I knew I was delta quadra because of the "good and evil/right vs. wrong" divisions in my thought patterns, so yesterday I finally decided to read EII. Everything resonated with me, except the stoic face thing and the thing about being a "super caring and kind-hearted" person (which should be one of the main characteristics, so I'm a little unsure...)
I only keep the stoic face if it's a place where I don't know the others. If I'm at least somewhat comfortable, I'm expressive without even realizing it or trying, it just comes naturally. I laugh easily, too.
Well, I was a self-righteous moralist in my early teens. I loved my friends more than my family, but I had rules set in my mind about what was a "good friend or good person" and what wasn't. And anyone who didn't act like it, I would lash out at (I wasn't overly aggressive, but I would make my point about how wrong it was and then give the person the cold shoulder until I thought they learned their lesson). Of course, these rules applied to me as well, and when a friend made me think I had violated them, I would cry in my room and feel like the worst person in the world for days, unlovable.
In my late teens, certain events made me do a 360 and I became more passive, more open-minded, more introverted, more observant and motivated to find myself.
That said, I feel far from being a "kind and caring soul". I have compassion for others and I move to help them without expecting anything in return, as long as that help doesn't take up too much of my time. I am extremely stingy with my time, which is easily my biggest flaw. It is much easier for me to spend money/give my food to a homeless person every day, than to spend time volunteering at a charity that collects food to distribute to the homeless. Also, I'm not really good at comforting others, I'm more of a counselor type, but people never listen to my advice, so I eventually get tired of having the same conversation over and over again and just listen to the rant, which leaves me frustrated in parts (because 1- you're taking up my time again with something I've already taught you how to solve, 2- you're wrong here, but if I tell you that you're wrong, you'll put on a whole emotional show and I just don't have the energy for that and 3- I start to question my own character by thinking "the fact that you choose not to correct something that you condemn either shows that you don't condemn it as much as you thought, or shows a flaw in your own character"), but I end up convincing myself that going through these frustrations is necessary, because sometimes people just want to be heard and that's what a good person would do.
Yes, I'm quite compassionate. Yes, I forgive very easily as long as the person apologizes. Yes, I am quite tolerant of other people's flaws; but I can see my own moral defects as clear as day, so I don't consider myself any more "caring and kind-hearted" than my sister LII, for example, or many others I know. Apart from that, EII beats everything. Do you think it can still be EII?
I am a 21-year-old woman, if that matters. I used the translator too, I hope you understand.
that's SO real
You described it so well. I kept on being grouped into IEE but it didnt fit. It was close but it didnt fit but this makes sense. The reactions and the outlook are exactly how I am. The struggle with Se
EII Belle from Disney's Beauty and the Beast showed her SLE conflictor Gaston where to go.
Explain perfectly why I hate Gaston so much hh
I’ll be completely uninterested in something until someone tells me I can’t do it or I’m incapable of it, then I will move mountains to make it happen. I will make it happen even when the said person never knows I did. I have to prove it to and for myself, it’s pretty nutty how easily manipulated I can be that way I admit, Lol.
This is 98% me, not surprising since I'm an INFJ. But the 2% that doesn't resonate with me is the bit about EIIs not having a strong how-to ability. Because one of the nicknames I've heard INFJs called is the practical or down-to-earth mystic, or in other words the spiritual type who can get stuff done, which certainly is true of me. I chuckled over the "needs a daddy" comment because I have generally always been called upon to be the daddy. I don't know if this is relevant, but when I took the type test yesterday, I was typed as an ESI. When I read Augusta's profile of the ESI, it just was not me. By pure coincidence I stumbled upon the EII profile and started reading it and was like yes, this is me. Then I come across this video and I think, Well, no duh, that's because EII is INFJ. I evidently answered some statements wrong on the test to be mistyped as an ESI, unless that tends to happen. Anyway, I liked your video very much and you have a new subscriber. BTW the lighting is 👍👍.
Just found your channel and am enjoying it! I'm recently on a kick to put to rest my socionics type and am ingesting a lot of content. I self typed as IEI for a few years but am wondering if I could be EII, a common mistype. Or a different type?! Anyway, thanks :)
Can an EII come across as ESE for short spurts? Because I really relate to this video but people who know me superficially think I’m an ESE.
It would have to be very context specific. Perhaps they’re seeing something you’re doing and concluding they’re seeing comfort and feeling?
@@PracticalSocionics mostly people just observe a lot of Fe with me. But I do value my comfort too.
@@klp3309 Well there could be a misunderstanding of Fe, mistyping, or you’re just a warm appearing EII. Then there’s culture , the people involved etc…
EII would be a noticeably feeling type that has Si in the mobilized position so caring about your comfort makes sense.
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Charles Springs
Johnston Field
Part of this should be valid for LII as well, right? Or does the different quadra color everything differently, even if they are the same elements in the same positions?
I think the Quadra value does color the type to some degree. But the LII should be able to relate to some of these elements.
Scarlett Manors
Goyette Falls
Aylin Vista
whats weird, i think i compensate as a male infp for the lack of Se, i try intentionally try to make more money, i ride everyday to work 1 hour and 1 hour back, i dont care if it snows or rains and pride myself on it, i work out 6 days a week and don't quit because its so uncomfortable, i learnt to make pain a part of my life. I like more quite work were i can repair stuff, with some good friends. I was at times quite unempathic and didnt really care about homeless people only about myself, i think because people in general dissapointed me.
I have heard of NF types feeling like they need to compensate to either fit in, compete with more “masculine” types or because they simply feel that it’s expected of them.
This is so self preservation 4
Same here. I am a sp/sx enneagram type 4.
Jacobs Ramp
Do you think it's possible that I'm an EII? I am an INTP 5w4 Sx/so. I have a lot of doubts, because I see Intp's lower Fe as the opposite of this type, but I identify a lot with him, maybe LII, but I'm more like Eii really.
Both are possible
Stella Highway
Smith Coves
Jace Haven
Gertrude Hollow
Andre Ways
Daugherty Lock
Gibson Skyway
Emmy Falls
Frida Harbor
Is it possible for them to be generally passive but to speak up when necessary or even fight if they reach a breaking point?
@@justinb9612 Yes. It just takes a lot for them to get to that point.
@@PracticalSocionics my experience is that I have typically tried to keep things calm and just get along, plus I don’t really like hurting others so while I am honest I soften my words a lot. There have been at least a handful of times where under extreme stress, I get set off and resort to physicality, something I avoid at all costs now as I don’t like it and don’t want to be that way.
I relate a lot to this type and high Fi but sometimes doubt because I have had those moments of outward aggression here and there when I didn’t know how else to handle my emotions and anxiety.
Great videos by the way!
@@justinb9612 Any type is capable of being aggressive or assertive depending on the context. An EII will likely try to avoid conflict by finding a diplomatic solution or just leaving if they don’t think it’s worth it. But is extreme situations or if the issue is important enough to the EII, they may feel that aggression is warranted.
@@PracticalSocionics good to know. It’s easy to get caught up in stereotypes. Some of us come up with psychological ways to cope that might not be reflective of our true nature, and may even be the total opposite of our nature.
Austen Gardens
Denesik Expressway
Schultz Rapids
Bauch Corner
Sam Vista
Ryder Court
Upton Villages
Rice Springs
Anderson Stream
Chelsey Trail
Nyasia Groves
Murazik Wall
Nestor Spurs
Can an INFJ 5W4 be a LSE?
I’d expect it it to be a low probability. INFJ is essentially the opposite of an LSE in all the elements being used .
@@komald0103 iei
Schaefer Ports
Wait, Se is prestige and getting a job?
No. It’s more about competing to acquire more. In the case of a job, it’s about going after promotions, financial bonuses, moving upwards in the office hierarchy. Along the way those things can lead to prestige. But it’s really about the drive to go after getting more tangible rewards.
@@PracticalSocionicsok, thanks for the explanation.
I think Se is about competitive sports as well.
Somehow, I was and still seeing EII playing sports, like some of football/soccer players originated from SeDom culture-based countries such as Spain. And they're mistaken as ISFP...
Sorry for mixing up Socionics type code with MBTI type code. The case of Bojan Krkic Perez gives me headaches lasting for several months, but I keep believing that he's Delta Quadra EII, while many says he is an ISFP because he's not showing any Se PoLR.
@khadeejadja I'm an infp girl and I study P.E and I've always been pretty good at sports.😅
whats your type Jason?
LIE seems to be the leading theory
Talia Manor
Erdman Flats
Brain Locks
I think unhealthy EIIs care alot about Te status and success.
I did
@@Violet_Odorataditto
yeah...
They like to be seen as succesfull (or rather, NOT to be seen as failure), but at the same time, do not actually want to be in a spotlight and the center of attention usually 🤔
^
You're so right
Are you 6 on the enneagram?
No
Trisha Knoll
Kunde Crossing
This is a spot-on description of what i believe in, and what type was presented to myself 👌 thankyou, for saying what i struggle to communicate 🤭🫶