I would really love to see differentiations for all 8 quasi-identical pairs. I think that this would generate much more clarity between types that on a superficial level 'appear' like each other while in reality are quite different. You did a great job here in differentiating between these two types!
As an EII, I agree with you. Also want to add that we see individual talents, their impacts and we are interested in "how is works" mechanisms in the world. I don't like fast work, because I try to do quality work as much as I can. I can be only fast for short time, but not all time, as requires modern businesses. My mom is ESI, so I pretty good know what is SE (power, black sensor or Extroverted Sensing) function. EII who lived most of life with someone who has strong SE function can be more enduring, than other EII who don't know what it is. My ex-boss, who was SLI, had a terrible feelings of time and scope of work. He could overload employees too much works and didn't care can we meet deadlines or not before promises to clients. We were too little group for big clients base. He didn't read the technical tasks, he gave it to us and just went to relax. But when we didn't manage with deadlines, he punished us. Also he didn't give vacations. So that's why I, as an EII, burned out on this job. Terrible work-life balance for $450 as an interior/architecture visualization, who had a master degree in Design and know such complex 3d-programs as 3ds max, ArchiCad, AutoCad, Corona Renderer, V-Reay renderer, Photoshop... And you have to work over 24 hours per day, again and again... Just for 450 busks? I think, everyone can get burned out here. Location: Ukraine
Agree with most of you said, but I would disagree that working at a fast pace or a deadline is Se related. I believe deadlines, speed, expediency are all rational characteristics and I would link this to Te instead. Se is just influence, status, desire... it's irrational, not clearly defined, and therefore not related to anything you can measure with numbers such as a deadline or how much you can do in 3 minutes. I'd actually argue that the EII is relatively more concerned with efficiency, work, and deadlines than an IEI is.
Wow, you described me to a T! I love animals, and especially strays. I've always felt compelled to take care of stray cats. Its truly and amazing feeling when they begin to trust you. It's take so long for that to happen, and you have to nurture that relationship. It's beautiful to see, but also heartbreaking at the same time because so many are forgotten. I just hate to see suffering. Can't wait to check out your other videos.
@@jaredvaughan1665 Id disagree that IEI’s need stress to survive. But overall I’d agree that they do handle general stress better than EII. There’s the values Se in IEI vs the valued Si in EII, and then there’s just the Quadra values. EII are “mushroom picking fairies” that value the idea of each individual choosing their own personal journey.
According to Keirsey, who I agree with, mbti INFJs or IEIs do best with one on one counseling. And personal development. EIIs are primarily therapists who uncover and diagnose people. EIEs do best in a teaching role and leading groups. IEEs are best championing causes.
I'm like an IEI in that I care deeply about social causes and getting people on board with them--how are you ever going to change anything alone?--but like an EII in that I have no Se to speak of and also don't value Se at all. Not sure what to make of myself.
@@drivingbritt9617 I agree that it sounds like MBTI. The SCS is a throw back to very beginnings of Socionics so it wasn’t as developed as what we see now. It’s missing basic pieces and lacks many of nuances that have been developed since its creation. Some of the basic descriptions and definitions sound more like they’re MBTI counterparts and they tend to focus on the Mental block which reduces awareness to just four functions. In short ….it’s outdated
@@PracticalSocionics Do you think some Panjungians use this school to try to prove that Socionics is the same as MBTI, and thus justify typing individuals as the same in both systems, i.e. a person who is ENTJ in MBTI has to be LIE in Socionics?
Do you think in the possibility that analyzing also based on the partner or friend interests that each sociotype may have helps differentiate one from the other, for example based on their dual partners
@@jaredvaughan1665 it would poke anyone to be called selfish. It’s not something anyone would want to be called. So it comes down to the nuances…the specifics of how someone might be thought of as selfish. An important point to keep in my personal opinion. It’s noted that LII types like IEI and so would favorably look upon them. Keirsey was an LII as well so there’s likely some bias in his eyes.
@@PracticalSocionicsAgree with you, Jason. As an EII/INFP myself, FiDom in NF club/Catalyst/Idealist aren't selfish. They can be emphatized with people, somehow limited according to their development of Ne and Si which shaped up their personal experiences. When EII/INFP emphatized with people, it much deeper in depth, taken it as their own issues.
I would say that depends on your definition of "selfish". EII's tend to forgo their own interest and the interest of their own group for the greater good. While the IEI tends to see community needs to supersede the needs of the individual. IEI's go after their own interest and the interest of their group while staying within the confines of acceptable behavior within their group. An example being slavery, the IEI would be more likely to fall in line if their group says that slavery is required and anyone who helps a slave is to be punished. The EII is extremely far less likely to just fall in line and do as they are told. They would sooner loose their reputation take any punishment and help the slave. I don't find this particularly selfish personally.
I would really love to see differentiations for all 8 quasi-identical pairs. I think that this would generate much more clarity between types that on a superficial level 'appear' like each other while in reality are quite different. You did a great job here in differentiating between these two types!
Ok…will do
As an EII, I agree with you. Also want to add that we see individual talents, their impacts and we are interested in "how is works" mechanisms in the world. I don't like fast work, because I try to do quality work as much as I can. I can be only fast for short time, but not all time, as requires modern businesses. My mom is ESI, so I pretty good know what is SE (power, black sensor or Extroverted Sensing) function. EII who lived most of life with someone who has strong SE function can be more enduring, than other EII who don't know what it is.
My ex-boss, who was SLI, had a terrible feelings of time and scope of work. He could overload employees too much works and didn't care can we meet deadlines or not before promises to clients. We were too little group for big clients base. He didn't read the technical tasks, he gave it to us and just went to relax. But when we didn't manage with deadlines, he punished us. Also he didn't give vacations. So that's why I, as an EII, burned out on this job. Terrible work-life balance for $450 as an interior/architecture visualization, who had a master degree in Design and know such complex 3d-programs as 3ds max, ArchiCad, AutoCad, Corona Renderer, V-Reay renderer, Photoshop... And you have to work over 24 hours per day, again and again... Just for 450 busks? I think, everyone can get burned out here.
Location: Ukraine
Agree with most of you said, but I would disagree that working at a fast pace or a deadline is Se related. I believe deadlines, speed, expediency are all rational characteristics and I would link this to Te instead. Se is just influence, status, desire... it's irrational, not clearly defined, and therefore not related to anything you can measure with numbers such as a deadline or how much you can do in 3 minutes. I'd actually argue that the EII is relatively more concerned with efficiency, work, and deadlines than an IEI is.
My comments were intended to mean, that EII don’t like to work in a hurried , high energy demanding pace.
Wow, you described me to a T! I love animals, and especially strays. I've always felt compelled to take care of stray cats. Its truly and amazing feeling when they begin to trust you. It's take so long for that to happen, and you have to nurture that relationship. It's beautiful to see, but also heartbreaking at the same time because so many are forgotten. I just hate to see suffering. Can't wait to check out your other videos.
So accurate man!!❤
According to Gulenko IEIs have high stress resistance. EIIs have low stress resistance.
Debatable
@EffectiveSocionics Well you basically just agreed with him in this video. As do I.
Jack Oliver Aaron even said IEIs need stress to thrive.
@@jaredvaughan1665 Id disagree that IEI’s need stress to survive. But overall I’d agree that they do handle general stress better than EII. There’s the values Se in IEI vs the valued Si in EII, and then there’s just the Quadra values.
EII are “mushroom picking fairies” that value the idea of each individual choosing their own personal journey.
Thank you for the video, very insightful
According to Keirsey, who I agree with, mbti INFJs or IEIs do best with one on one counseling. And personal development.
EIIs are primarily therapists who uncover and diagnose people.
EIEs do best in a teaching role and leading groups.
IEEs are best championing causes.
Very insightful, thank you!
My pleasure!
Interesting. I'm pretty sure I'm a NiFe in terms of junguian functions but I do relate more with EII and the delta quadra as a whole
Thank you for your content! I hope you are in peace !
I'm like an IEI in that I care deeply about social causes and getting people on board with them--how are you ever going to change anything alone?--but like an EII in that I have no Se to speak of and also don't value Se at all. Not sure what to make of myself.
Maybe you could make one about LII vs ILI?
Now I get why they call the EII Dostoyevsky
What is your opinion on the SCS school of socionics? When I did some research into it, it sounded a lot like MBTI to me.
@@drivingbritt9617 I agree that it sounds like MBTI. The SCS is a throw back to very beginnings of Socionics so it wasn’t as developed as what we see now. It’s missing basic pieces and lacks many of nuances that have been developed since its creation. Some of the basic descriptions and definitions sound more like they’re MBTI counterparts and they tend to focus on the Mental block which reduces awareness to just four functions. In short ….it’s outdated
@@PracticalSocionics Do you think some Panjungians use this school to try to prove that Socionics is the same as MBTI, and thus justify typing individuals as the same in both systems, i.e. a person who is ENTJ in MBTI has to be LIE in Socionics?
@ No I don’t think it’s their intent. I think it’s more to do with their poor understanding of the underlying fundamentals.
Do you think in the possibility that analyzing also based on the partner or friend interests that each sociotype may have helps differentiate one from the other, for example based on their dual partners
Yes . It can add some more substantiating evidence towards a type. It’s not enough by itself but it’s useful evidence
@@PracticalSocionics Thanks for your answer
Could you compare ILI and IEI? I'm stuck between the two
Sure
Whoa your face moves like my face...
Must be a handsome face
@@PracticalSocionics it is
@@PracticalSocionics 😂
EIIs are selfish with + Fi and - Fe.
IEIs have + Ni and + Fe. So they are optimistic about developing other people.
That’s a personal point of view. EII would most certainly disagree with being thought of as selfish
@@PracticalSocionics It would poke their Fi to be called that.
@@jaredvaughan1665 it would poke anyone to be called selfish. It’s not something anyone would want to be called. So it comes down to the nuances…the specifics of how someone might be thought of as selfish.
An important point to keep in my personal opinion. It’s noted that LII types like IEI and so would favorably look upon them. Keirsey was an LII as well so there’s likely some bias in his eyes.
@@PracticalSocionicsAgree with you, Jason.
As an EII/INFP myself, FiDom in NF club/Catalyst/Idealist aren't selfish. They can be emphatized with people, somehow limited according to their development of Ne and Si which shaped up their personal experiences. When EII/INFP emphatized with people, it much deeper in depth, taken it as their own issues.
I would say that depends on your definition of "selfish". EII's tend to forgo their own interest and the interest of their own group for the greater good. While the IEI tends to see community needs to supersede the needs of the individual. IEI's go after their own interest and the interest of their group while staying within the confines of acceptable behavior within their group. An example being slavery, the IEI would be more likely to fall in line if their group says that slavery is required and anyone who helps a slave is to be punished. The EII is extremely far less likely to just fall in line and do as they are told. They would sooner loose their reputation take any punishment and help the slave. I don't find this particularly selfish personally.