Wow!!! What a pile of research you did! I had the very same dilemma , and at this point after watching your video , I have concluded i have a raphi too!!! But the confusion is so real!!! With my plant also being juvenile, it is really hard to distinguish one from the other!!! Thanks so much for this video, new sub here!!!
This was so interesting. I have Sebu Blue and Blue Baltic pinnatum plants. I also have the R. Decurseva. All of my plants are juveniles. I have heard some folks separate the plants we commonly call pothos into eperprinmeum pinnatum and eperprimneum aureum. Sebu and Baltic under the pinnatum side with the aureum group containing golden pothos, snow queen pothos, marble queen pothos, jade pothos, and such. I thought I understood the separation. But now I also noticed folks seem to refer to scindapsus as pothos interchangeably. I also understand that Rhaphidora Decurseva and Rhaphidora Tetrasperma were Aroids but a different group from philodendrons, scindapsus or "pothos" yet as you mentioned, I have seen sellers sell the plants as if their names were exchangeable which confuses me. Thank you for tackling this subject.
I am so glad I tuned in. I now know I have Rhaphidophora Decursiva. It's a Dragon Tail. The nursery had a big sign that read "Dragon Trail, Cbe Blue" What the.....I bought one. It was quite large with a stem 3' long. I made a trellis out of dowels I bought at Lowell's. I changed the soil from the hard-as-a-rock clump of nursery soil (very surprised at that) to nice airy new soil. I have not watered it much. It seemed happy but now I'm having a terrible time with the leaves turning YELLOW. Four leaves have turned totally yellow and I'm afraid it's going to commit suicide. I have not been able to find much on line about this plant, but now I know I can Google the right name. Wish me luck trying to keep Rappy alive, and thanks for this.
Thanks! I hope you can get it to recover! Maybe it wasn’t happy about being repotted. Or maybe not enough water? Are you doing the finger soil test check? Stick your finger in up to second knuckle…if dry, water and let drain out the bottom. Maybe it’s very dry where you are and it needs a little extra? Good luck!
So very interesting! I knew when I bought it its raph decursiva, but now had to have a quick check:sign says Philo dragon tail (yes in English though I live in Austria and plants are imported from Holland) I think my "monstera Peru" was called scind. Galaxy earth. .. 🦄 Very interesting distinctive criteria! One would think sellers could label correctly 🙏 🍀
I know hey!? My Monstera Peru was labeled green galaxy Monstera. I feel like they just come up with all these different names cause they sound cool haha 😂
Also @@SandysHappyPlants, what plant l❤v'r wouldn't collect both the Monstera Peru & the Monstera green Galaxy if you already l❤v'd the shape/color of the leaves😢🌱😢...Believe SOME common names are copyrighted by the growers. FOR EXAMPLE: Costa Farms, Fl can't call their plants "Peru" if Altman Plants, Ca already copyrighted/named their's Monstera "Peru".
Did you ever get around to potting these all together and training them up a moss pole? Im in Australia and bought a plabt labelled dradins tail and its labelled rhaphidophora on the back of the label and pases all of you identifying tips . So pretty confident it is it. I need to train it up a pole its grown over the side of the pot and out at a weird angle , any tips for this?
Yes, I actually potted three of them together in one pot and trained them up a moss pole but unfortunately they as well as a lot of my collection got thrips and I ended up having to cut them down to bare stem pieces to try again. I currently have them in five different little nursery pots and keeping an eye on them to see if they’ll be good. My thrips infestation was really bad and I’m still not totally over it, even after battling it for almost a year now. These little suckers can sneak up on you omg! I want to get back to making videos soon. I’ve just been busy with life 😊 as for them growing at weird angles, yes, some of mine we’re doing that, but you have to just train them up something. Start by putting a stick or some thing close to the weird angle one and kind of try to train it up a little bit… then little by little increase the angle of upwards movement. Hope that helps 😁
I fortunately have only had thrips a few times and ove cut my loses and thrown out the plants they were on ! Thanks for the tips I'll give them a try . Good luck with the battle
I've been growing a rhaphidophora decursiva for about 4 years, purchased as an epipremnum and went out of my way to buy a decursiva only to find out I now have two the same. 😔
I just got what was labeled as an Epipremnum Pinnatum Dragon’s Tail from a plant boutique….a somewhat older plant. Lots of large split leaves, large stem growing sideways but in a pleasing way to look at. It’s got character, which you don’t often see in baby plants. The seller gets them directly from a grower, so I’m assuming that the name is correct. Of course I overpaid but I like keeping small businesses going. Anyway, mine has the holes in the newer leaves, but it does not have the little holes along the leaf spines. It has new leaves coming out of nodes. So I am still pretty confused. Not that it really matters…I bought it because I like the way it looks, not because I was looking for that specific plant.
Eppiperuim pinnatum a native here too in Australia and many growers unfortunately can't even tell the difference! Getting your hands on a regular one is far harder than the varigated and cerubu blue because of the misslabling. It's pretty bad when even some growers from a country where it's native (Central Queensland) can't even tell the difference.
Hi! Yes I am planning on it. Unfortunately I have been super busy with life and also battling thrips for about a year now 😢 but as soon as I get some time I will do an update. I’m still not quite sure what I have haha
I just remembered that decursive is the plant that brought thrips in for me just last month. I use DE by putting it top and bottom of leaves, stems and soil when dry. Was told to continue for 2 months plus
@@Horsewoman-pt2ku thank you I’m just about at the end of my rope right now with these damn thrips! I’ve tried pretty much everything, but they pretty much spread to my whole collection. I’m currently in the process of recording everything and treating everything again and then I will probably order nematodes for the winter as I can’t spray things in the house. They are so dang hard to get rid of.
@@SandysHappyPlants the first year I had plants (35) I would spray them in the kitchen w water. No pests. This summer I brought in a mini monstera from a nursery that had thrips. I now have 100 plants and running ragged also spraying them down. I am looking on Amazon for clear 14 gallon trash bags to put each plant into so it keeps them to my monstera collection. I have seen you are to spray weekly and rotate w at least 3 different chemicals as thrips and mites gain resistance. Also aren’t nemotoads just for the eggs in the soil? You need a beneficial for the adults and jrs that eat the leaves. That is the most damage I am getting. I was also battling spider mites in my Calathea and I was too aggressive with that homemade soap/alcohol and they got a leaf fungus and look terrible. Several of my Hoyas have root rot so also so I have been unable to do anything else so I get it
I agree, 100% rhaphidaphora decursiva. If you don’t know either plant and they are mislabeled I can tell how you could get confused but once you see them both in person there is no mistaking it. The leaves are very different textures, they grow differently, shaped differently, hang differently, etc. idk, maybe hard to explain but once you see them you know I guess 😂
Yup, i agree, the veining on the leaves is so distinct i could tell at a glance even though i only own E. aureum and R. tetrasperma. The thing that confused you is in terms of growth habit is that your plants are creating runners. Anyway, great video.
I am so confused because to me a epiprenum pinatum and a rhapidora decursiva look nothing alike. The epiprenum pinatum looks like most epiprenum when they are mature and get fenestrations. They have thin leaves like most epiprenum and have leaves longer than they are wide. The rhapidophora on the other hand has thick leaves and is wider than it is long. It looks more similar to like a monstera when mature it’s more pillowey and reflective and just nothing like and epiprenum. I don’t get the confusion they look completely different except they both have fenestrations .
those are all raphidophora decursiva, also known as 'dragon's tail'. epipremnum isn't known as dragon's tail. at least, not here. (u.s.). you'll see the leaves split more as they increase in size. nice specimens, though. :)
Just realized, by sellers incorrectly labeling these plants, us newbies don't know if we're "adopting" teacup Chihuahuas or the MONSTER Saint Bernards of the plant world. NO AMOUNT of researching beforehand will help us determine if we have the correct humidity/lighting 2 correctly help our purchases flourish if the places selling mislabeled plants😢🌱😢
R. Decursiva tends to crawl in juvenile stadium. The epipremnum pinnatum is a climber from the first leave on. So all of yours are probably R. Decursiva. That tells my personal experience and what I‘ve seen irl so far.
Mine was labeled epipremnum pinnatum dragon’s tail….it’s an older, root bound, but healthy looking plant, with the main stem growing sideways, is that what you mean by “crawl”?? It’s really cool looking, had a kind of Dr Seuss look to it, which is why I bought it. The other climbers I have are a good size, but still younger plants,most of them growing upwards, even without a pole. My “Dragon’s Tail” has the split leaves, but it doesn’t have the little holes along the leaf spines. So I really have no idea what it is….the store I bought it at gets their plants from what I thought was a reputable grower, so I assumed I could trust their labeling.
Hello from the Philippines! Tibatib is pronounced with the second syllable accented. Most telling sign of tibatibs are the pinholes along the ribs of mature, ovate leaves. They do not split nor fenestrate when young. The sought-after tibatibs are fenestrated, variegated (aurea or albo) ones which sell for about USD50-100.
Wow!!! What a pile of research you did! I had the very same dilemma , and at this point after watching your video , I have concluded i have a raphi too!!! But the confusion is so real!!! With my plant also being juvenile, it is really hard to distinguish one from the other!!! Thanks so much for this video, new sub here!!!
Thanks! After the comment below I checked mine again lol still not completely sure…I guess we’ll see when they get a bit bigger!
This was so interesting. I have Sebu Blue and Blue Baltic pinnatum plants. I also have the R. Decurseva. All of my plants are juveniles. I have heard some folks separate the plants we commonly call pothos into eperprinmeum pinnatum and eperprimneum aureum. Sebu and Baltic under the pinnatum side with the aureum group containing golden pothos, snow queen pothos, marble queen pothos, jade pothos, and such. I thought I understood the separation. But now I also noticed folks seem to refer to scindapsus as pothos interchangeably. I also understand that Rhaphidora Decurseva and Rhaphidora Tetrasperma were Aroids but a different group from philodendrons, scindapsus or "pothos" yet as you mentioned, I have seen sellers sell the plants as if their names were exchangeable which confuses me. Thank you for tackling this subject.
I am so glad I tuned in. I now know I have Rhaphidophora Decursiva. It's a Dragon Tail. The nursery had a big sign that read "Dragon Trail, Cbe Blue" What the.....I bought one.
It was quite large with a stem 3' long. I made a trellis out of dowels I bought at Lowell's. I changed the soil from the hard-as-a-rock clump of nursery soil (very surprised at that) to nice airy new soil. I have not watered it much. It seemed happy but now I'm having a terrible time with the leaves turning YELLOW. Four leaves have turned totally yellow and I'm afraid it's going to commit suicide. I have not been able to find much on line about this plant, but now I know I can Google the right name. Wish me luck trying to keep Rappy alive, and thanks for this.
Thanks! I hope you can get it to recover! Maybe it wasn’t happy about being repotted. Or maybe not enough water? Are you doing the finger soil test check? Stick your finger in up to second knuckle…if dry, water and let drain out the bottom. Maybe it’s very dry where you are and it needs a little extra? Good luck!
Are the leaves turning yellow the lower leaves? I had that happen on a tetrasperma, I think I wasn’t watering enough.
First timer ,like your channel and the information👍
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Thank you!
So very interesting!
I knew when I bought it its raph decursiva, but now had to have a quick check:sign says Philo dragon tail (yes in English though I live in Austria and plants are imported from Holland)
I think my "monstera Peru" was called scind. Galaxy earth. .. 🦄
Very interesting distinctive criteria!
One would think sellers could label correctly 🙏
🍀
I know hey!? My Monstera Peru was labeled green galaxy Monstera. I feel like they just come up with all these different names cause they sound cool haha 😂
@@SandysHappyPlants 😜🤑🤣
Also @@SandysHappyPlants, what plant l❤v'r wouldn't collect both the Monstera Peru & the Monstera green Galaxy if you already l❤v'd the shape/color of the leaves😢🌱😢...Believe SOME common names are copyrighted by the growers. FOR EXAMPLE: Costa Farms, Fl can't call their plants "Peru" if Altman Plants, Ca already copyrighted/named their's Monstera "Peru".
Did you ever get around to potting these all together and training them up a moss pole? Im in Australia and bought a plabt labelled dradins tail and its labelled rhaphidophora on the back of the label and pases all of you identifying tips . So pretty confident it is it. I need to train it up a pole its grown over the side of the pot and out at a weird angle , any tips for this?
Yes, I actually potted three of them together in one pot and trained them up a moss pole but unfortunately they as well as a lot of my collection got thrips and I ended up having to cut them down to bare stem pieces to try again. I currently have them in five different little nursery pots and keeping an eye on them to see if they’ll be good. My thrips infestation was really bad and I’m still not totally over it, even after battling it for almost a year now. These little suckers can sneak up on you omg! I want to get back to making videos soon. I’ve just been busy with life 😊 as for them growing at weird angles, yes, some of mine we’re doing that, but you have to just train them up something. Start by putting a stick or some thing close to the weird angle one and kind of try to train it up a little bit… then little by little increase the angle of upwards movement. Hope that helps 😁
I fortunately have only had thrips a few times and ove cut my loses and thrown out the plants they were on ! Thanks for the tips I'll give them a try . Good luck with the battle
@@suzycaso Thank you!
@@SandysHappyPlants how's the battle going
I've been growing a rhaphidophora decursiva for about 4 years, purchased as an epipremnum and went out of my way to buy a decursiva only to find out I now have two the same. 😔
I just got what was labeled as an Epipremnum Pinnatum Dragon’s Tail from a plant boutique….a somewhat older plant. Lots of large split leaves, large stem growing sideways but in a pleasing way to look at. It’s got character, which you don’t often see in baby plants. The seller gets them directly from a grower, so I’m assuming that the name is correct. Of course I overpaid but I like keeping small businesses going. Anyway, mine has the holes in the newer leaves, but it does not have the little holes along the leaf spines. It has new leaves coming out of nodes. So I am still pretty confused. Not that it really matters…I bought it because I like the way it looks, not because I was looking for that specific plant.
That’s exciting! Keep an eye on it and see what it becomes. I’m like you too…I just like the plants no matter what they are 😁
Eppiperuim pinnatum a native here too in Australia and many growers unfortunately can't even tell the difference! Getting your hands on a regular one is far harder than the varigated and cerubu blue because of the misslabling. It's pretty bad when even some growers from a country where it's native (Central Queensland) can't even tell the difference.
Wow! That is crazy! I guess that just goes to show how amazing plants are! They are still eluding us 💚
You got a great price I would have bought them just for the pots. Please do an update as it’s been a year now. Tfs
Hi! Yes I am planning on it. Unfortunately I have been super busy with life and also battling thrips for about a year now 😢 but as soon as I get some time I will do an update. I’m still not quite sure what I have haha
@@SandysHappyPlants nooooo. Thrips…. I get it. It was a suggestion. When you get to it. Thanks
I just remembered that decursive is the plant that brought thrips in for me just last month. I use DE by putting it top and bottom of leaves, stems and soil when dry. Was told to continue for 2 months plus
@@Horsewoman-pt2ku thank you I’m just about at the end of my rope right now with these damn thrips! I’ve tried pretty much everything, but they pretty much spread to my whole collection. I’m currently in the process of recording everything and treating everything again and then I will probably order nematodes for the winter as I can’t spray things in the house. They are so dang hard to get rid of.
@@SandysHappyPlants the first year I had plants (35) I would spray them in the kitchen w water. No pests. This summer I brought in a mini monstera from a nursery that had thrips. I now have 100 plants and running ragged also spraying them down. I am looking on Amazon for clear 14 gallon trash bags to put each plant into so it keeps them to my monstera collection. I have seen you are to spray weekly and rotate w at least 3 different chemicals as thrips and mites gain resistance. Also aren’t nemotoads just for the eggs in the soil? You need a beneficial for the adults and jrs that eat the leaves. That is the most damage I am getting. I was also battling spider mites in my Calathea and I was too aggressive with that homemade soap/alcohol and they got a leaf fungus and look terrible. Several of my Hoyas have root rot so also so I have been unable to do anything else so I get it
LOTS of GREAT scientific comparisons. Saving4 future reference>Thanx!...#HappyNewSubscriber
I can tell you with 100% certainly those are rhapidaphora decursiva not epiprenum
All of them you think?
I agree, 100% rhaphidaphora decursiva. If you don’t know either plant and they are mislabeled I can tell how you could get confused but once you see them both in person there is no mistaking it. The leaves are very different textures, they grow differently, shaped differently, hang differently, etc. idk, maybe hard to explain but once you see them you know I guess 😂
Yup, i agree, the veining on the leaves is so distinct i could tell at a glance even though i only own E. aureum and R. tetrasperma.
The thing that confused you is in terms of growth habit is that your plants are creating runners.
Anyway, great video.
Excellent informative, thank you!
I am so confused because to me a epiprenum pinatum and a rhapidora decursiva look nothing alike. The epiprenum pinatum looks like most epiprenum when they are mature and get fenestrations. They have thin leaves like most epiprenum and have leaves longer than they are wide. The rhapidophora on the other hand has thick leaves and is wider than it is long. It looks more similar to like a monstera when mature it’s more pillowey and reflective and just nothing like and epiprenum. I don’t get the confusion they look completely different except they both have fenestrations .
I know! It is confusing!
those are all raphidophora decursiva, also known as 'dragon's tail'. epipremnum isn't known as dragon's tail. at least, not here. (u.s.). you'll see the leaves split more as they increase in size. nice specimens, though. :)
Just realized, by sellers incorrectly labeling these plants, us newbies don't know if we're "adopting" teacup Chihuahuas or the MONSTER Saint Bernards of the plant world. NO AMOUNT of researching beforehand will help us determine if we have the correct humidity/lighting 2 correctly help our purchases flourish if the places selling mislabeled plants😢🌱😢
I know it’s very frustrating!
R. Decursiva tends to crawl in juvenile stadium. The epipremnum pinnatum is a climber from the first leave on. So all of yours are probably R. Decursiva. That tells my personal experience and what I‘ve seen irl so far.
Ok great to know! Thank you!
Mine was labeled epipremnum pinnatum dragon’s tail….it’s an older, root bound, but healthy looking plant, with the main stem growing sideways, is that what you mean by “crawl”?? It’s really cool looking, had a kind of Dr Seuss look to it, which is why I bought it. The other climbers I have are a good size, but still younger plants,most of them growing upwards, even without a pole. My “Dragon’s Tail” has the split leaves, but it doesn’t have the little holes along the leaf spines. So I really have no idea what it is….the store I bought it at gets their plants from what I thought was a reputable grower, so I assumed I could trust their labeling.
Hello from the Philippines! Tibatib is pronounced with the second syllable accented. Most telling sign of tibatibs are the pinholes along the ribs of mature, ovate leaves. They do not split nor fenestrate when young. The sought-after tibatibs are fenestrated, variegated (aurea or albo) ones which sell for about USD50-100.
Ok thank you! Good to know!
I dont know if youve worked this out yet but that definitely isnt epipremnum pinnatum