Played a game against my mate as Tau, brought a Storm Surge for the meme. He never did any damage to it, except when I charged it out to hold him off the middle obj. He used "On My Position" in that turn doing 6 mortal wounds to it. Laughs were shared. Then he rolled for his own units and killed 6 of his own men. We fell over laughing.
Mine are Inquisitorial Stormtroopers. I built a list around this, where it was mostly pure scions, except that I included a couple units of Arbites (an exaction squad and a subductor squad), and an Inquisitor, his henchmen, and a Vindicaire Assassin. All the Agents units were in Rhinos, and most of the Scions were in Taurox Primes, though I think I'm gonna wanna house rule it and put the Arbites in Tauroxes too, because they should have access to those. I love the idea of the Inquisition finding out about a Chaos Cult's or Genestealer Cult's Headquarters or a cult compound where they're setting up to do their uprising, and suddenly the Aquilons drop in, slaughter the outer defences and secure the area, and then the Inquisitor drives in with his retinue, some more stormtroopers, and some Arbites to fan out to try and capture as many high ranking cultists or cult demagogues they can before any can get away. As for the Vindicaire? He was there for days already, scoping out the place and ready to provide overwatch and support. He can also be a bit of a trump card should things go sour, and they need to take out the cult leader before he gets away.
A note on the redeploy: This is also amazing with gaunts ghosts and ratlings. Use their deployment to screen out opponent's infiltrators. Use the redeploy to put Ghosts into a safer position and ratlings to a better scoring or to screen scout moves.
I think there's some very nice stuff in this Detachment. The +1 to Wound when DSing/disembarking is nice, and Firing Hot is almost exactly the Strat that I was hoping for (my version was Devastating Wounds instead of S and AP boost). I do have some slight disappointments: - Nothing for Commissars or Taurox Primes (though the damage boost when disembarking helps TPs indirectly I suppose), and almost nothing for Valkyries (one very niche use of a Strat). Something like +1 to Wound in melee for Tempestus Character models (and giving Commissars the Tempestus keyword as they should) would have been neat. Maybe Sustained Hits for the Taurox Prime's main guns, and BS 3+ for Valks? If Aerial Extraction allowed you to remove both a Valk and a unit that could fit inside it (ie, the Valk picks them up), and having a Valk made the barrage from On My Position more powerful, that would be very cool and might at least reward people who include the very cool but pretty useless Valkyrie. - Most of the Strats are good, though it feels odd that 2 (Bellicosa Drop and Fire and Relocate) essentially let Scions do what Aquillons do. Maybe if they were used on Aquillons they could get some sort of extra bonus?
I think on my position has a bit of extra play even on deep striking scions, if you can say, drop down within charge range of a vehicle, your exposed, probably going to die next turn anyways. but if you can tag 1-2 vehicles, that might be a good final use of the squad. Really, just any situation where you find yourself locked up against multiple opponents and unlikely to have that unit survive next turn anyways.. or you just want your own unit dead so you don't have to deal with firing into melee. Its niche, but its definitely got use cases. Fits that the kriegers synergize well with it.
Got an idea. Its rather situational but in the instance where you need to absolutely get some new reinforcements on the board in the next turn you can explode your scions/infantry into the enemy and spend the points to reinforce them. A mighty expensive investment and very situational but it's an idea.
A little extra seasoning here MG.. Creed, PCS, regular platoon infantry.. Is that 2x Lascannon HWT's advancing and firing hitting on 4's with take Aim, and rerolling 1s, but wait, there's more, in your opponents movement they get into overwatch range.. is that then 2x overwatch from Creed and also hitting on 4s rerolling 1s as within range of a platoon infantry squad with Las cannons!!!
Just a thought, but you could use the Priority-Drop Beacon along with Deathstrike Missles to actually nuke someone in their deployment zone if you get turn one, that's a real danger close.
@tmzasz what are you talking about? I was referring to when Mordian was talking about move blocking with a scion gigablob, that dropping turn one plus marking up their deployment zone with 3 deathstrikes would be very silly. And devastating depending on the army and terrain layout
Surely on my position is supposed to be used when you have 1 model left in combat so you only take 1 mortal wound anyway? It happens all the time when I'm playing against orks
Actually IMO On My Position should be something like: Throw 6D6 for every 1-3 your unit suffers a Mortal wound on a 4-5 your opponent does. Or just all units in that close combat suffer D6 mortals. period. I don't get why it has to be that complicated. Just roll a dice for each unit and go with it.
hey Tim, Please please see if you can get your videos out quicker. i think you will get a lot more views if you could do this. Most of your videos lately have already been covered multiple times. not everyone watchs your live steams, i really think it would be great for your channel if you could get the videos out a bit quicker. But THATS JUST MY OPINION MAN !!!! all love bro, hope you had a great new years.
I'm sure its just his work schedule that makes it difficult to put videos out, plus he has a family and what not and doesn't want to put every waking moment into the channel. That being said, it is pretty funny how he is pretty reliably 2-4 weeks behind with these videos, even the Stream highlights lol.
@@Booker8991 Yeah, but he also streams like, what, 4 or 5 times a week? Plus actually putting in reps with 40K *and* Old World *and* Bolt action? While also putting time in for research, keeping up with the news, and theory crafting? He 100% can and should have a faster upload schedule, but a little delay is understandable. He isn't a robot like Auspex is 🤣
Hard disagree about on my position. I got charged by a few tanks into my krieg blob the other day and spit out 12 mortals for taking 5 on my squad to have 3 come back next phase.
I just hope that krieg heavy weapon squads are the same costs as regular heavy weapon squads. 300pts for 18 lascannons hitting on 4+ with full reroll And here me out, heavy wepaon squad with lascannons in overwhatch. Hitting on 4+ with full rerolls is kinda neet with 3 lascannons.
The Tank "drifting" with sparks spewing from the bottom...my new favorite video clip, lol.
Played a game against my mate as Tau, brought a Storm Surge for the meme. He never did any damage to it, except when I charged it out to hold him off the middle obj. He used "On My Position" in that turn doing 6 mortal wounds to it. Laughs were shared. Then he rolled for his own units and killed 6 of his own men. We fell over laughing.
Mine are Inquisitorial Stormtroopers. I built a list around this, where it was mostly pure scions, except that I included a couple units of Arbites (an exaction squad and a subductor squad), and an Inquisitor, his henchmen, and a Vindicaire Assassin. All the Agents units were in Rhinos, and most of the Scions were in Taurox Primes, though I think I'm gonna wanna house rule it and put the Arbites in Tauroxes too, because they should have access to those. I love the idea of the Inquisition finding out about a Chaos Cult's or Genestealer Cult's Headquarters or a cult compound where they're setting up to do their uprising, and suddenly the Aquilons drop in, slaughter the outer defences and secure the area, and then the Inquisitor drives in with his retinue, some more stormtroopers, and some Arbites to fan out to try and capture as many high ranking cultists or cult demagogues they can before any can get away. As for the Vindicaire? He was there for days already, scoping out the place and ready to provide overwatch and support. He can also be a bit of a trump card should things go sour, and they need to take out the cult leader before he gets away.
I love this idea so much
A note on the redeploy:
This is also amazing with gaunts ghosts and ratlings. Use their deployment to screen out opponent's infiltrators. Use the redeploy to put Ghosts into a safer position and ratlings to a better scoring or to screen scout moves.
I think there's some very nice stuff in this Detachment. The +1 to Wound when DSing/disembarking is nice, and Firing Hot is almost exactly the Strat that I was hoping for (my version was Devastating Wounds instead of S and AP boost).
I do have some slight disappointments:
- Nothing for Commissars or Taurox Primes (though the damage boost when disembarking helps TPs indirectly I suppose), and almost nothing for Valkyries (one very niche use of a Strat). Something like +1 to Wound in melee for Tempestus Character models (and giving Commissars the Tempestus keyword as they should) would have been neat. Maybe Sustained Hits for the Taurox Prime's main guns, and BS 3+ for Valks? If Aerial Extraction allowed you to remove both a Valk and a unit that could fit inside it (ie, the Valk picks them up), and having a Valk made the barrage from On My Position more powerful, that would be very cool and might at least reward people who include the very cool but pretty useless Valkyrie.
- Most of the Strats are good, though it feels odd that 2 (Bellicosa Drop and Fire and Relocate) essentially let Scions do what Aquillons do. Maybe if they were used on Aquillons they could get some sort of extra bonus?
I think on my position has a bit of extra play even on deep striking scions, if you can say, drop down within charge range of a vehicle, your exposed, probably going to die next turn anyways. but if you can tag 1-2 vehicles, that might be a good final use of the squad. Really, just any situation where you find yourself locked up against multiple opponents and unlikely to have that unit survive next turn anyways.. or you just want your own unit dead so you don't have to deal with firing into melee.
Its niche, but its definitely got use cases. Fits that the kriegers synergize well with it.
The best use case for Fire on my Position is a 20 man squad of Krieg lol
Purposely thin down your Krieg Squad if you go second just to get +1 to hit pfft
medusa/earthshaker carriage are also infantry
Needs los for reroll 1s
99% chance they get moved to legends
@@Kingofsea7591 no only the best does not mention LOS, thats lethal hits from the standard detachment that requires LOS
@@jamesloder8652 likely but as im not a tournament player and our lgs allows 25% legends im 100% fine with that
Got an idea. Its rather situational but in the instance where you need to absolutely get some new reinforcements on the board in the next turn you can explode your scions/infantry into the enemy and spend the points to reinforce them. A mighty expensive investment and very situational but it's an idea.
Thanks for publishing a guard video. Was some time since.
Agree
I played a game with this at 1k. 3 command squad 10 man unit dropped out of tauroxes and killed a GUO and MVB in one turn. Feels good man.
Arnold & crew in Predator were actually an Ogryn squad ;)
Guants Ghosts (Duke's Squad) + Sly Marbo (Duke)
A little extra seasoning here MG.. Creed, PCS, regular platoon infantry.. Is that 2x Lascannon HWT's advancing and firing hitting on 4's with take Aim, and rerolling 1s, but wait, there's more, in your opponents movement they get into overwatch range.. is that then 2x overwatch from Creed and also hitting on 4s rerolling 1s as within range of a platoon infantry squad with Las cannons!!!
41:00 I can think of one more reason maybe, fir kill missions they aren't the ones killing that unit so it may deny some points
44:37 it should be 1 CP and you roll to damage yourself or 2 CP and you take 2 damage flat
Death Korp with marshal get 5 up feel no pain when you use "on My Postition"
Do we know when the app is updated so we can make lists with the new detachment?
ITS ALIVE!!!
It will be interesting to see how this stacks up. Should be fun to play at least
Just a thought, but you could use the Priority-Drop Beacon along with Deathstrike Missles to actually nuke someone in their deployment zone if you get turn one, that's a real danger close.
no they cant be led by a scion officer and deathstrikes take a minimum of 2 turns to fire 1 to mark the target then a second to fire on the target
I believe that's a effective "Deterrent". Said the dude from the United States, and we have a lot of "Deterrents" haha.
@tmzasz what are you talking about? I was referring to when Mordian was talking about move blocking with a scion gigablob, that dropping turn one plus marking up their deployment zone with 3 deathstrikes would be very silly. And devastating depending on the army and terrain layout
Surely on my position is supposed to be used when you have 1 model left in combat so you only take 1 mortal wound anyway? It happens all the time when I'm playing against orks
This is the video i've been waiting for, thank you.
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Medic can take regi standard and hs lasguni think? Oc 3 squads lets go??
Actually IMO On My Position should be something like: Throw 6D6 for every 1-3 your unit suffers a Mortal wound on a 4-5 your opponent does. Or just all units in that close combat suffer D6 mortals. period. I don't get why it has to be that complicated. Just roll a dice for each unit and go with it.
Advance augury can redeploy 3 squads of 3 sentinels, just sayin lol
24:39 no overwatch is big cuz infurnus marines and likely a new meta
hey Tim,
Please please see if you can get your videos out quicker. i think you will get a lot more views if you could do this. Most of your videos lately have already been covered multiple times. not everyone watchs your live steams, i really think it would be great for your channel if you could get the videos out a bit quicker.
But THATS JUST MY OPINION MAN !!!! all love bro, hope you had a great new years.
I'm sure its just his work schedule that makes it difficult to put videos out, plus he has a family and what not and doesn't want to put every waking moment into the channel.
That being said, it is pretty funny how he is pretty reliably 2-4 weeks behind with these videos, even the Stream highlights lol.
@@wyatttyson7737 Doesn't MG do this full time though?
@@Booker8991 Yeah, but he also streams like, what, 4 or 5 times a week? Plus actually putting in reps with 40K *and* Old World *and* Bolt action? While also putting time in for research, keeping up with the news, and theory crafting?
He 100% can and should have a faster upload schedule, but a little delay is understandable. He isn't a robot like Auspex is 🤣
*watches
@@jamesloder8652 I bet you loved that
Hard disagree about on my position. I got charged by a few tanks into my krieg blob the other day and spit out 12 mortals for taking 5 on my squad to have 3 come back next phase.
Krieg is pretty much the only squad that it makes any sense on, except for the odd situation where 1 or 2 models miraculously survive a charge.
I just hope that krieg heavy weapon squads are the same costs as regular heavy weapon squads. 300pts for 18 lascannons hitting on 4+ with full reroll
And here me out, heavy wepaon squad with lascannons in overwhatch. Hitting on 4+ with full rerolls is kinda neet with 3 lascannons.
HWT don't get full rerolls they get the rolls "1" to hit.