Korg ARP Odyssey vs. MiniMoog Model D (plus a bit of Hammond)
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- Опубліковано 17 вер 2024
- Comparing the sounds of the new Korg ARP Odyssey with a MiniMoog Model D (circa 1974). Plus the Hammond M-100 gets in on the action.
Of course there will be snippets of your favorite prog rock tunes (poorly played I might add), because PROG ROCK WILL NEVER DIE!!!
Thanks to Andrew Amado for the synths & the editing.
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Both the minimoog and the arp odyssey playing together sound godly!
Agreed!
It does sound really good. Fantastic!
The best demo ever what a beautiful sound i can't imagine what it must be like to be in the presence of the best instruments ever made legendary thankyou sir you inspire me .
This is great. I always kind of assumed that the Odyssey and Model D had very different sonic characteristics from each other. Obviously because of the filters, but probably also because the different expressive potential of each attracted different styles of players. Anyway, I never knew they were basically so similar. Very enjoyable post!
This video sold me on buying a Korg ARP Odyssey reissue, and I already own a Minimoog. One of these days I need to get my hands on a Hammond and a sequined cape. I'll lock myself in my basement and finally fulfill my dream of being a Rick Wakeman LARPing synth-hermit!
I find most comparisons like this never have a "winner"...ironically everyone is a "winner" as both sound glorious! You really can't go wrong with any Moog. ARP, Korg, Roland, Dave, etc. (made today or 50 years ago), just find the one that has the features and vibe you like, hold on tight, and set you sights for the center of the sun or dark side of the moon!...also that guy playing, Mike? is amazing and would probably make a 1982 Casio sound fantastic so keep that in mind.....
Indeed there is no winner, well observed.
I see them as two different synth ,like comparing a Strat to a Les Paul. I own two Odysseys, a Quadra, the Moog LP and a Voyager. I love them all.
I would think the Voyager and Odyssey reissue would be different but complimentary to each other.
Wow, a Quadra! You are the first person on Earth, except for Tony Banks who owns that One. Isn't it great? If you wanna sell it one day. You know me. If of course it is payable and in perfect working shape. :) But I guess you keep that pearl.
Very interesting, thanks for posting this. As an ex owner of a Model D and new owner of an Korg Arp it was nice to see the differences but also how close they can be.
loved every second of this video , thankyou ,, was just selling my original 72 Odyssey on Ebay ,, this helped me change my mind and take it off
Chris-Cook is it a love hate relationship then or you got tired of it? I'm getting an arp. good for the price
gary abbot this was a while ago Gary , ive sold the mk1 since , got a mk 2 , sold and then got mk3 and thinking of selling that with my other Arps now on ebay lol
Wow. Lol.
I believe you were teleported from the 70's to teach us what music was about when musicians played instruments to express themselves... I'm not at your skill level but I'm working on it. Cheers to you mate!
I'm not on that skill level either, but thank you! The decade is immaterial. It's musicianship and passion that matters most and there's great music of every decade to represent that. That being said, we're inundated with such talentless pablum in rock, country, pop & electronic music via the internet and what's left of the major labels and radio airplay that any real good music coming out today is harder to find than ever.
I so much agree with you bro.
great video, nice to hear someone who can play these synths!
What a fun and informative demo! Thanks for this!
These are the sounds that got me interested in synthesizers as a kid. Very fun to watch!
love this video, just a joy of sounds and playing skills
This is how you compare synths. Well done, Mike!
Very nice!!!!! Both are awesome synths. Thank you Mick Foley!
Haha! I get that a lot. One small step for Mankind.
Well that made me laugh out loud. I made the connections straight away when you said that
Excellent. No denying the closeness if not the same.
Great comparison showing of these two wonderful machines .
Into a bit of Gong at the end there :D Great playing! They both sound fantastic, both things of real beauty. The Hammond ties everything together too
Having two synths trying to sound identical...
Make them sound totally different and figure their true qualities. Let the Moog make Moog sounds and the ARP sound like an ARP.
Got the Korg ARP as the Moog Subsequent37, they sound both great!
That's the magic modern combination.
I've got the new korg arp as well. Totally agree that filter 3 is more moog-ish. Nice vid!
Corey Sublett Totally agree as well. +1
+Lee Simeone (Official) After owing the Korg Arp for a while I've also found that to be true? The #2 filter has an odd sort of generic sound?
Love the Genesis and Yes licks; very nice!
Can't get better than Yes and Genesis for demoing these...love em both! Love to have you playing for my prog group Taurus! lol
I've been looking around for some Revealing Science of God sheet music around as well as some other more synth-heavy prog rock songs. Its nice to see synths being used for that sort of stuff, especially such old instruments as the Minimoog.
omg, when you went noodling into Revealing Science, that brought absolute joy to my day! And then into Cinema Show to boot! Too of my favorite synth lines ever. I didn't realize until today that the ProSoloist only had a single oscillator, I feel like I heard some subtle phasing on the leads and have always reproduced it with two oscillators. Tony used a lot of effects though, including MSR Phaser, which is probably what I'm hearing. He started to use it with a lot more resonance on Lamb Lies Down (sometimes too much, IMO). I don't know if Tony ever got an odyssey. I'm reading he eventually got an ARP Quadra (Sort of ARP's Prophet5 with some Odyssey guts), but that was much later.
I'm going to have to break out my Clonewheel and play some of these lines together with the Mini now! I feel like the Mini does a quite serviceable job for the Odyssey in your video. I just gotta be careful not to overdo the filter freq. In many videos comparing Minis vs Odysseys, it feels like the mini always has the brighter tone. A little feedback and rolling off the filter a tad helps with that.
just wanted to post that it sounds like "close to the edge" than you said it, really has this sweet thing going on- and than there was the zelda thing going on- dude really enjoying these sounds thank you so much-
Nice demo, Tales from topographic oceans 🌊 spot on. Playing a Moog Grandmother, Hammond B-3, Arp string synth, Rhodes electric, God bless prog rock
pretty cool kinda and very interesting review! I enjoyed listening!
ARP and Mini sound both pretty cool, also with the hammond, too!
Really nice see a denomstration of these synths by a great player. I'm off to buy a Behringer Odessey!
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻Revealing Science Of God - Yes
What effects were being used on the Odyssey and Minimoog? This is awesome btw!
The Minimoog is running through a Boss RE-20 Space Echo simulator and the ARP is using the reverb built into the amp. I believe the amp was a Behringer.
I think Tony Banks never had a minimoog .. and the reason was probably because everyone else had one.. LOL..
.. the original studio solo of cinema show was recorded with an ARP pro soloist I think.. the odyssey and the minimoog sound both pretty spot on to my ears..
Tony Banks used a 2600 on Follow You Follow Me for sure.
This is awesome! But I don't think the Arp and the Moog are supposed to sound similar at all. The Arp is capable making some really harsh tones that the Moog can't and the Moog can make some really sweet fatty harmony rich stuff that the Arp cant. That duophonic oscillator warble that happens is great for gnarly noise sounds.
Also the filter on the moog is 4 pole if im not mistaken right?
+curebdc In any case I like the fact they can sound very similar, besides it kinda makes a little sense since both these synths were major rivals back in those days, ARP kinda tried to make the Ody sound real close to the moog with the MK-II's Lawsuit Ladder filter.
Also Yes, the Moog has a 4 pole ladder filter, but the K-ARP has all 3 filter types from its 3 model history, this includes the original MK-I 2 pole, MK-II "Moog-ish" 4 pole filter, and the MK-III 4 pole with a much higher resonance curve.
+curebdc The thing is they can sound very different and they can also sound very similiar. (I think this video points out the fact that they aren't always so different.) Personally, I think filter 3 (ARP 4 pole) can sound very Moog-like at low resonant settings, while at higher resonance settings filter 2 (Moog clone) sounds more Moog-like (nails that Minimoog (resonance) growl).
They're really supposed to compliment one another, if you can't choose between them. There was a reason Chick Corea used the Odyssey as his bass synth and the Model D for his lead synth.
Dude seeing you behind a keyboard totally gave me a flashback. By any chance did you play keys in a Philadelphia band named St. James and The Apostales?!?! I know I’m probably crazy for asking but I’ll be danged is you don’t look just like that dude!
You’d be correct! mike is the Keyboard player for St James, and they are a killer Philly band for sure!
The whole time, I'm wondering if you could wire the Hammond as a MIDI controller and attach a Minitaur module to the pedals. Or two of them for duophonic operation.
I could've sworn that Tony Banks did grab up a Minimoog D during the late 70s, but I might be confusing him with Robert Lamm from Chicago (as if that's possible).
Totally love that reference to the music from Zelda!
When you simulate the organ from "Won't Get Fooled" Again", you also need to have the ARP's Oscillator 2 set to LFO mode and controlling the filter cutoff freq.
UPDATE: The Minimoog has been sold and has found a new home in NYC. Gonna miss it, it was a killer sounding instrument.
Get the model reissue. It's BETTER.
Trust me if I had the funds.......
heading over to your bandcamp for sure. Great playing :D
Fabulous!!!!!! Right up my street.
love the arp and moog
t was all analog except when Tony got the KORG M1 & the Roland gear
except for presets on ProSoloist
How did Tony create his sounds?
who created them
did Tony have a sharp programmer that deciphered owners manuals or menus?
Adrian H tony used the trinity, o1w, & wavestation. No m1. And by this point, all presets.
ARP Odyssey
Just took delivery from Sweetwater.com
need to order XLR to 1/4 TRS to connect to DI 2 Radial stereo for "line level" audio
I was surprised when you did the revealing science of God! You have some amazing instruments. As Darren Lock says, prog on!
Excellent stuff!
Really cool!
Moog has ramped up "reproduction" Model D for a limited run
Will not be limited. Demand is STRONG!!
Encouraging
yeah but for 3500$ my need totally dropped ;) i save money fopr an arp :)
damn. playing both like that. subbed and made my hairs stand up.
I wish you would do new videos, i love them though i am old to the game
Those riffs!!!
too catchy for me 😂😍🎹😱
nice yes melodies. good to hear someone actually playing tunes rather thatn just going through the possible sound. patrick moraz and rick wakeman would be proud. Unfortunately the KORG ARP sounds digital and kinda toy like against the warmness stuff on the moog.
Very informative video! BIG LIKE!
Nice session. Only difficult to compare when there is a lot of delay on the Moog and no delay on the ARP. So here the Moog sounds definitely with more character. Maybe it's also a bit more distorted in the filter. Could be the reason.
Nice Tales From Topographic Oceans!
I might be one of the few Yes fans who likes that album, yet also acknowledges that it has flaws. I've only ever heard extreme love or hate for that album.
I have two tattoos from that album. I love that album.
The type 3 filter on the FS odyssey is the best one imo (arp4053 if i'm not mistaking) , and i was not surprised tbh... i used to own a voyager, and guess what, where i'm from (reggae/funk/electro), the moog always sounded the same and way too sweet for what i was looking for, ended up selling it (in 2012 what a mistake when you see the actual prices lol, and tbh i didnt have the sound design knowledge i have now back then, it was a miostake okay... lol again)). just so it is said somewhere; it was an electric blue, well that's the dumbest idea, those lights induce noise, so i cant imagine how thos B things that look like a xmas tree must give in the S/N ratio realm (and i wont comment on the switched power supplies, as i was prety disapointed to se a dc15v slot on the FS.... i might change that for a toroid one day...). So just to end my comment, lately i have seen a doc on chromeo where the guys said something close about the minimoog and Anthony marinelli in a recent vid saying not far from the same thing (the moog is not as funky as the arp). Love my M101(P!) too btw.... Oh just one last thing; normally i hate plastic in general, well that recycled plastic shell they used for the odyssey fs is really nice imo, reduces weight and i think it's a bettter choice for durability related to bumps or shocks... nice vid, i'm in.... slight diff an organ player might have noticed is the keys are not deported on the new odyssey (like on the spinet's upper kb, the idea was to be able to access a lower kb more easyly...). i might add a couple of wooden sides one day, even if i like that plastic shell.... the very first organ sound with the drive, sounded nice imo
dude, i was watchin another post of yours and saw this on the sidebar --- i HAD to click over to comment how much you favor Ron McKernin in this vid. NIIIICE!!! I, too, love the GD! =0D
American Beauty was the first CD I ever bought, (and I had 8-tracks back in the day, just no Grateful Dead, till I was in my late teens). Never seen the Dead, but only missed them by 2 days in Hamburg Germany 1990 (I was in the field with 3/69 Armor unit doing training in Hoensfeld at the time). JUST MISSED THEM!
Haha! I get the Pigpen comparison a lot. Being an organist helps as well. As for the Dead, I only like them when Pigpen was around.
+Mike Kiker Keith Godcheaux was pretty good... I guess I really liked hearing Donna Godcheaux on vocals, so maybe I'm colored a little, lol
I liked Keith Godcheaux. One of my favorites is the Steppin' Out England '72 box set that was the one tour where they had both Pigpen & Keith together. Only downside of that set is that now you know why they had to redub a lot of the vocals for the Europe '72 live album. But the Dead really lost me after that era. They lost a lot of dynamic with Pigpen. I liked Donna too, but the weird thing is that I've heard way more Deadheads complain and bitch about her contributions than compliment her. Honestly, Jerry, Bob & Phil were never the best singers anyway and I'm sure Donna was just doing her best.
to steal a term from Neil Young, the Dead always had a certain magical "ragged glory", at least as I see it. Robert Hunter had a lot to do with that. "Box of Rain" (book) is highly recommended (collected lyrics of Robert Hunter. The elegy he wrote for Jerry was astonishingly beautiful, however it's not in the book =0(
Man, just got my Korg ARP Odyssey Rev2 about week ago - FYeah!
(My first synth was an ARP Odyssey, Rev2, with the pitch knob....back around 88'ish) THIS time, all the printing isn't rubbed off! sure made the old one interesting ((I actually thought I'd invented the "patch sheet" lol)).
loved coming back to this vid... hearing some Tony Banks as I'm typing, dig it
we see you on here rockin' out!
he should be doing this with the D reissue and the korg arp
It wasn't out when I made this, nor can I afford it.
I might be wrong: they first sound very similar especially with the "non-moog" filter setting of the odyssey, but when the Hammonds kicks in at 2:18 - I have the feeling the moog cuts through better with it's characteristic sound while the arp seems to loose a bit of it's detail in sound and turns a bit more pale
That same riff you played made me crazy
Finally a decent demo instead of another "weird cool sounds and deep bass." Thank you !
And it was Pro Soloist indeed. He says in the interviews with the boxed CD set that he never was into programming.
+onsese joo You're welcome
It was all analog except when Tony got the KORG M1 & the Roland gear
except for presets on ProSoloist
How did Tony create his sounds?
who created them
did Tony have a sharp programmer that deciphered owners manuals or menus?
Any problems using the smaller keys? Admit I really like the new Arp Odyssey sound, especially with the switchable filters, but I so much prefer the full-size keys. Was hoping like the MS-20, they'd do a full-size version, but no luck so far...
Sounds just like the originals.
I didn't really have any trouble adapting to the keys of the ARP. Then again I'm used to playing the Microkorg and at least I can say the ARP & MS-20 mini keys are more robust than those, but I understand that criticism.
@@MikeKiker I adapted to the mini keys before I bought mine. I played it at the store at least once a week for 6 months so by the time I brought it home I knew how to make the sounds I wanted on it. The mini keys don't bother me at all and I love the sound plus it's easy to carry with me when I am on the road so nearly 3 years in and it's still a keeper
awesome stuff, great harmonies!
The Odyssey always remind me of Billy Currie of Ultravox.
What are the Moog and Korg going through, Boss space echo pedal ?
Good work fella
Hi Mike, excuse my poor knowledge about progressive rock, but what's the title you play around 8min? Thanks
marine records arp
I believe it's Genesis, Cinema Show
It seems to be, yes, thanks!
marine records arp sounds like genesis
marine records arp oh someone said it nevermind
Was that Genesis around 5:00? I really loved this video. Two killer synths. Really nice to see them compared in a way that showed how they both shine.
+intheb.link Yes it was.
The Moog emphasis seems higher. You can hear it's sharpness is more than the Arp, but if it were turned down a bit, I bet they would sound quite similar.
Pure Dopeness
Thanks
thanks. enjoyed listening. ARP sounds close to moog. great licks.
How many of us are buying or financing
from your favorite salesperson at the store or
online music website
a Model D?
100% perfection
moog. just has that spcial filter. arp can do different sounds. Both great
You have stolen my heart at Zelda theme.
Nice demo of the two synths. I have the Karp. Could you please tell me how you got the Won't Get Fooled Again Sound? I thought it was done by running an organ through sample and hold via external audio. I tried on my Karp today with interesting results but little success. How do you get the steady pulse?
Tony Banks did indeed use the Polymoog around late 70s but don;t recall him using Minimoog.
As far as I know, he never used a Polymoog either. He used an ARP Quadra which is capable of very similar sounds, but is a far more interesting polysynth in my opinion.
Moog with Hammond, breathe taking. Arp with Hammond, so so
cool!
Great video!
Mankind, dude love or cactus jack?
Great. You have got real Minimoog, I only ... Miniv vst @@ :) nice playing.
Tony Banks used Polymoog from Moog!
just a question; Did you use some reverb/delay on the Minimoog, while less (or not) on the Odyssey? Would be nice to get an honest answer on that mather... Thanks...
Hey, sorry for the late response. I have Roland Space Echo pedal on the Moog and just built-in amp reverb on the ARP. They're both going into different amps and for the life of me I can't remember what they were.
i always thought, the arp would be a poor mans moog ;D now im right! thanks for this!
+F -André NOPE . the moog DOES have a superior sound, when it's raw , but the oddyssey has more features. i like to think of the mini as a solid luxury car and the odyssey as a turbo powered muscle car.
yeah but you dont have to spend 3-4k for a moog when you can make some sounds on an korg arp. think i will get a korg arp. but first i want the minilogue
that;s my point , i have a '74 whiteface and up against the mini the mini clobbered it at first,BUT then kick in the sample hold and all the modulation choices and it's clear that the odyssey is way more capable. and i'm all into the minilogue, i think it has my tax refund al over it
They are so beautiful together but my preference goes to the Moog, so clear and silky,fruity
Hard choice to do...
At (24:15) what is that classic rock song that your running the organ through the ARP for that LFO effect? Dude this video kicks ass in so many ways. I’m always going back and watching it, your a wizard in your own right!
Marco Mizzoni “Won’t get fooled again”
How did you connect the arp with the organ for get that the who sounds?
The Minimoog has a bit more bite to the sound.
I think you could fine tune the Odyssey to mimic that a bit better.
Banks Yes !
This sounds like Steve miller this is cool
Moog is fatter and organic-sounding (like a musette accordion) not least since those 3 oscs are drifting so much. ARP is 'spookier' and kind of otherwordly which, for me, gives it an edge. Were you tasked with a retro scfi movie to soundtrack, offered a choice between them to do the job, you'd grab the Odyssey every time.
I'm buying an analog synth..torn between sub phatty Moog and Korg Arp. Any suggestions?
Yeah. This was great 🍪
George duke had one since he was playing Billy cobham and frank Zappa the mother's of invention band rest of his solo albums
Think I just figured it with the square wave note repeat.
Little Topographic oceans nice
fun times we live in. who needs to own a house when you can be a hobbyist prog rocker for a lot less.
I didn't own either of these synthesizers. I just was asked to demo them. And I say several times in the video that I'm not the best keyboard player, but I make a living as a working musician and music teacher, thank you very much.
great video, but boy does that room need sound treatment
At 13:55 how on earth did you get the square wave to modulate the filter? can't for the life of me figure that out.
Or was that modulation a repeating ADSR?
How are the thin mini keys on the arp odyssey? Are they easy to get used to?
Very much so. I'm already used to real mini keys because of the Microkorg and Microbrute, but the keys on ARP are a lot closer to full size.
Are you running your Hammond through a Ventilator pedal or a real Leslie cab ?
+Hisham Niaz He's actually running it through a Boss RT-20 leslie simulator pedal. Actually sounds pretty good
Amazing ! did I hear Black Sabbath ..
mini moog 1974 the king of synths even the vsts are better than most vsts