If you’re interested in the full history of graphical user interfaces (GUI), you can watch my complete documentary, available on this channel ua-cam.com/video/fHMPGhezj0s/v-deo.html
Thank you for share these nuggets from the past. I (someone from India) was hardly five years old when this must have been first filmed/recorded. It was almost after a decade after that i first had my own personal computer and imagine how closed Indian economy was back then.. so yeah.. it cost my father a bomb to get me a HP 486.
The interesting thing about Susan is that she's still working to this day, and her firm is not all that expensive relative to the market. We hired her for our SAAS product. Very talented designer.
@@nnnnnn3647You are missing the context and era of tech in which she was making this presentation.This technology was industry-changing at the time and the show it was on, Computer Chronicles, was THE source of weekly video coverage during the infancy and early development of the personal computer industry. I helped run a large Apple computer user group at the time, and recall the shared excitement after having watched this. The Mac was a very big deal to a hardcore group of early adopters who saw these new (and those borrowed/stolen from Xerox but in every way improved on) technologies for the radical industry changers they turned out to be.
Actually, it's about 40 years later and still MS word cannot cope with huge documents, handle proper placement of images, cannot reliably set cross references, is a bibliography nightmare. Go back again 40 years and you are in 1944. Look at what emerged between then and 1984. It looks like we slowed down a lot since then.
But the first ten years of Macintosh 1976-1986 (Apple II to Macintosh Plus) were way beyond Alan Turing and Colossus. Look at the graphics on the demo programs on the Macintosh.@@ulrichhauser-ehninger7669
It needs a good Monster Truck Rally announcer. (nondescript metal guitar music in the background, threatening to drown out the voiceover) TONIIIIIIGHT! A graphic artist AMAZES our hosts with her computer WIZARDRY (wizardry wizardry echos). WATCH as she THRILLS! (thrills thrills!) CHILLS! (chills chills!) And COMPUTATES! in this lightning-fast, frenetically edited super segment!
This is groundbreaking stuff for the time. This is almost 2 years priors to the release of Windows 1.0 and still to this day represents the way we work mostly with a computer to this day (files system, move and drag, mouse interaction, double clicks, etc.).
I'm not so impressed, personally. Only one year later, the first Amiga model came out, and blew the Mac clean out of the water in every possible regard, while costing a whole lot less. This thing was practically useless out-of-the-box, unless you invested even more money in an expensive RAM upgrade.
@@ralfvanbogaert3451 problem - it came out after Atari's TOS and no matter how much you try, they both came after and drew heavily from Apples efforts. Even if I agree with you about the Mac, it doesn't change that people were copying the concepts that were popularised (although mostly not originated) by Apples efforts in the GUI front. And the things Amiga did differently (using a workbench metaphor for file systems for example) didn't catch on. Having said that it was still superior. It just came after.
@@medes5597 It came out after TOS because Tramiel rushed the ST to market to pre-empt the Amiga after he failed to get the rights to the chipset. It can't be denied that the Mac popularised the mouse-driven GUI, but let's face it, it's a pretty crappy, hugely overpriced, almost gimped computer that was next to worthless without additional upgrades.
@@ralfvanbogaert3451 I don't give high praise for the Macintosh itself. The Smalltalk itself was already excellent demonstration, and it is understandable how Jobs was totally taken by it, and rushed Lisa to come with GUI just six months before release. That is the feat, in six months to turn the text interface system to have graphical interface on it. Now what the Xerox did with the Xerox Star, that is impressive. as they polished very much about the Xerox Alto. But regarding how PARC did all kind innovations and Xerox chief of staff didn't recognize and utilize those, that was massive mistake... It is like the Gary Kildall postponing the IBM deal because his wife's birthday was on that day the IBM wanted the meeting to get CP/M to IBM PC, and as meeting wasn't possible, IBM walked to Microsoft. It is just sad irony that she later divorced him, after he even put her birthdays ahead the company he so much loved. (Tell a lot about some women anyways). The PARC was as well very heavily restricted to the Xerox main business, photocopiers and scanners. Why they had that mentality from the begin that how computers work with the GUI they created. Like the document creation where to insert a graphic/picture to document, you did it with same process as you did it with the physical paper. Transferring the image from one paper to another using specific tool. Or like the screen was made vertical so that you can have a 1:1 letter on screen as on paper at hand. That was its curse as was for its major benefit! And that is the greatness in the Apple design, that they were never restricted to that "old business" mentality. Why Apple made their work process far more smooth and easier, like how you could just copy the image from anywhere, and paste it to word processor at any given position and it came there, without requiring you to prepare the area first in document, and then transfer the image to that area. Those couple extra steps that Xerox Star required was result from the too analogy thinking process. Where at Apple they really could just skip and ignore that and make it easier and nicer. I have the Atari ST 520 running in perfect condition from its time, 1985. Even when it has just 512 Kb of memory, it is very capable machine for its time, considering that Macintosh came out year before. The GEM was IMHO ahead of the Apple, and there are some small nice features too. Why it is totally understandable why Apple wanted to kill it, and why in GEM 2.0 the resizable and movable windows were removed and no more overlapping. Basically killing it on that spot. These years from mid 70's to late 80's were the golden era of computing, that was when the computer technology was defined and developed to be even today. After that everything is just smoothing these small things and make it somewhat better, and manyways even worse. Like today I finished 32 page presentation file, and it is even today way too complicated than what it should really be about for casual users. When you know the applications, it is easy. But seeing how many is constantly failing to make good presentations and so on push forward with their ideas, it is not odd that it can really be sourced to these tiny details like how to get the file on the slide, or how to get the slide in 16:9 instead 4:3 ratio etc. And talk about getting it as PDF and printed even.. There is so much tiny paper cuts all over the applications that you do not expect the casual users anymore really want to learn them. Simply saying, way too much features...
Interesting here that Susan refers to events like "operate like window shades (2:19)" and "we get what we call a Window (2:37)" and then a year later in 1985 Microsoft Launches "Windows."
The idea of windows in GUI design had been around for years before this interview. It was not new at all in 1984. The Xerox Alto had windows, and referred to them as such, in 1973. The nomenclature had been long established.
It's amazing to see this video. I remember working with Macs (a MacPlus to be precise), in music as early as the late 80s. The computers then had no hard drives. The machine wouldn't do anything until you inserted a floppy disc that had the OS on it. Then you had to put in another disc for data. Just amazing where we are now.
Gotta love the wide-eyed excitement of everybody in this video! The hosts can’t stop asking about every minor detail, Susan can’t keep herself from showing it off. Great moment in computer history.
A lot of Susan Kare’s graphic design talent is behind the way everyone interacts with and uses technology today. It was the simplicity and the ease of which information was conveyed that makes her work a design classic.
I would have been begging my parents to get me a Mac in 1984 had I seen this as a kid 40 years ago. Note the date on the Control Panel: March 14! (Happy Pi Day) I agree with the ASMR fans, this is relaxing to listen to. Susan Kare is a legend.
Only in retrospect. At the time, it seemed things were moving way too fast. Fifty years from now, people will look back at how we lived and say things seemed so slow and mellow back in the 2020s.
@@TheRealLaughingGravy And so you mean to say that the “speed at which we’re living” today is a similar one to back then and that it is only an illusion or that we do indeed “live faster” but that this speed is only increasing over time leading to every generation to look back on the older one as “slower”? Edit: I realize this is worded rather poorly and I hope you get what I mean
@@distinguishedbreadmand I think what he’s saying is that the pace of technological development is continuously accelerating, but since to some extent we get used to it, what seemed to him too fast then is, from his perspective today, not.
This is such an iconic (no pun intended) speech.. Can you imagine how pivotal this was? She says, "We get what we call a window" Damn. That's a word that's going to do a whole lot of heavy lifting over the next 40 year.
This is also a great explainer when compared to what Xerox had when they presented their GUI a decade before: photocopiers didn't have file systems so their GUI was only for functions, not files or folders. They didn't have trash bin, drag&drop or windows. Lisa really was a whole new level on how the GUI would work on a computer.
I strolled into a computer store in the Summer of ‘84. I was enthralled with the Mac they had on display. It was magical. The first time I had ever seen a GUI or mouse. The store staff nicely let me interact with it for hours. I explored the entire thing, and worked paint until I was tired. And the world moved in to the era of Post-Mac.
Susan's work is remarkable, thanks to her simple iconography make the Mac an easy to use computer. I remember using Hypercards an Macpaint, I love the Icons very simple at the time and very nostalgic to look at them now. Susan kare is the Original UX/UI Guru. She IS an ICON.
I was already loving her presentation - then she pulled the keyboard towards her and I realized that was the M0110 (era back when Apple used quality Alps switches in their keyboards). Lovely sound. I have one that I don't even use but just really like having around for its design and as a piece of keyboard history.
Not only we take all of this for granted, but it seems so basic and established that a lot of the young folks don't understand how revolutionary this was for the time period. It's lovely seeing it, thank you for sharing the video.
I will never forget the first time I ever used a Mac (also the first time I’d ever used a computer) in 1994. I had the opportunity to use my Dad’s PowerBook 180C that he had for work (a computer portable enough to take home with him). He showed me how to turn it on and edit a Word file. So I made a list of comic books I owned. After saving the file I wanted to put it on a floppy disk. I had no idea how to do that and assumed it would involve some complicated computer commands. But I saw the floppy disk image on the desktop and I knew you could drag things with the mouse so I thought… I wonder if I can just drag it onto the disk? Surely that won’t work. That’s too stupidly simple to work. Needless to say… it blew my mind when it worked. That changed the whole trajectory of my life. I fell in love with the Mac and I’ve been working in IT ever since.
This is a fantastic piece of history. I remember using the first Mac when it came out; a friend bought one. It was mesmerizing. Groundbreaking. So many fundamental aspects of the interface persist in many electronic devices to this day.
I absolutely loved learning the Macintosh when I got my first on in about 1986! It was so incredibly intuitive and required no prior computing knowledge at all! Used it to work on my MBA.
Does this bring back memories. First time ever using a Mac computer was in a computer class in grade 7, mid 80's. Incredible experience, having never used a computer in my life. Seemed incredibly complicated and never thought I could ever learn to use one. I can still the smell the scent of plastic in that classroom. Nothing beats the smell of a room full of new computers.
2010 I worked on Unix based process control computers for silicone crystal growing furnaces. They were from 1979 and had graphical process control with CRT touch screens. I was pretty blown away by this. They were still running.
If you hadn’t used a DOS based interface of a computer in the early 80s, and compared it to the early Mac, you have no idea how innovative this really was.
The way of people interacting back then was different. The whole atmosphere was conducive to thinking and understanding. Whether you watch this or Rachel Welch interview, the emphasis is on communicating ideas not entertainment. Is so much more comfortable with the old world.
My grandpa (born 1928) didn't work in tech but I'd say was an enthusiast and for whatever reason made it a priority of his to own these early personal computers starting from the early 1980s to my knowledge, probably realizing their potential power and the internet. I would have loved to talk to him about this. I remember playing on what could have been a Macintosh SE (launched in 1987) when i was 3-4-5 years old in the late 1980s playing a black & white coloring book game on a very small screen.
I bought a Mac in October of 1984 after seeing a demo of the graphical user interface. Still using one today. Even using and doing technical support for years of Windows machines never lessened my love for the simplicity of Macintosh. So fun again seeing how simple things were back then. I'd forgotten the 8-page limit in Notepad.
Computer Chronicles was always on in our house. I ended up being a programmer on IBM 3090s to start. Cut my teeth on an Apple II. We were WOWed when we borrowed a Mac for the weekend.
1984 and the joys of writing within a note book and how true that is, the pages in the hundreds that express all kinds of thoughts in word or work that may or may not ever be found. Intended to be read but by whom not known, those moments of brevity they are but yours to own.
This was TWO years before i was born. I remember early to mid-90s when my elementary school started introducing/offering PC computer "classes". WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE. i was always on solitaire or drawing something on Paint
I remember being in the 7th grade in 1980 and watching these kids play a game on one of the early Mac’s. The screen was tiny and the game was from the dinosaur age. Anyway we were standing there watching this and this kid tapped me on the shoulder and whispered to me THIS IS THE FUTURE!!! I’ve always remembered that. Computers and the internet and games revolutionized our world.
I still remember how excited we all were the first time that we saw the Mac. "And it's so portable!" they exclaimed. It had a little handle on top and one could carry it around, in what passed as portability in the days before laptops.
I remember my uncle Ron Hochsprung was an early engineer for Apple and when he visited he brought a Lisa prototype before it was released. The graphical user interface was mind blowing!
When i see this videos,i think how gentle were the peoples during the explanation,today we may smile for this Mac but there were curiosity imagining the future as it would be
@@WhatALoadOfToscaI always despised him. He pretends he’s the know-it-all and has the peasants come on in his show to educate the masses. Whenever the guest wants to go in a bit of detail he cuts it off and puts them in their place.
@@thomas_xsg I could see how maybe someone would perceive his style this way, as I sometimes find his approach a bit grating myself. But remember that he has to try to keep people on point during demo after demo, with a limited allotment of time, while trying to cover as much as possible and keeping it very general for a very wide audience without getting too deep into the weeds. It can seem as though he's being disrespectful at times, but he's gotta move the demo/ interview/ discussion along. He's under quite a bit of pressure to make all this happen without extensive editing, on a relatively low-budget production.
:-) It was so revolutionary seeing "pictures" (icons/graphics) onscreen instead of just lines of ASCII characters. What a time in the history of humanity to be alive as this profound evolution in individual and collective consciousness proceeds. Hooeeee....!
I remember when the control panel looked like that, and there was so much disk swapping! It is mindboggling that they could do all that with 128k of RAM.
I remember back in 1985 walking into a desktop publishing outlet for a printing business. There were rows of these MacIntosh computers. Such tiny screens😊
If you’re interested in the full history of graphical user interfaces (GUI), you can watch my complete documentary, available on this channel ua-cam.com/video/fHMPGhezj0s/v-deo.html
The best one is the documentary with three episodes: Triumph of the Nerds.
@@fredericroy correct, triumph of the nerds is a great one, but more about industry and computers than interfaces.
Thank you xerox ?
Thank you for share these nuggets from the past.
I (someone from India) was hardly five years old when this must have been first filmed/recorded.
It was almost after a decade after that i first had my own personal computer and imagine how closed Indian economy was back then.. so yeah.. it cost my father a bomb to get me a HP 486.
The interesting thing about Susan is that she's still working to this day, and her firm is not all that expensive relative to the market. We hired her for our SAAS product. Very talented designer.
After all she was an artist to start with. Artists can't retire.
really ? wow :)
what's the name of her firm?
Wow! Don't be shy, tell us the name of the SaaS! She made the design, and you coded it after that?
@@andreasrichman5628 ICONIC.
Susan Kare is an absolute legend
Became an icon herself, right? ;)
Who kares
I'm not certain he/she identifies as a man.
She explained each function with such care.
You could say she explained each function with such Kare.
Good one
@@thomas-zs2jm He missed, cause he did not Kare :(
You won't want to buy a Mac after this presentation. Boring and uninspiring.
Why did Jobs let her speak in public?
@@nnnnnn3647You are missing the context and era of tech in which she was making this presentation.This technology was industry-changing at the time and the show it was on, Computer Chronicles, was THE source of weekly video coverage during the infancy and early development of the personal computer industry.
I helped run a large Apple computer user group at the time, and recall the shared excitement after having watched this. The Mac was a very big deal to a hardcore group of early adopters who saw these new (and those borrowed/stolen from Xerox but in every way improved on) technologies for the radical industry changers they turned out to be.
Those were the days. A nice relaxed conversation about a topic. And everyone watched it because there was nothing else on TV.
Yeah… before… computers 😂
Well, they were kinda hurrying her along, but that was due to the limited time allotted to the segment
What makes you think anyone watched this?
@@JimKatz42Only five channels.
Here in 2023. It's amazing to see how far technology has come. This video is gold .
Actually, it's about 40 years later and still MS word cannot cope with huge documents, handle proper placement of images, cannot reliably set cross references, is a bibliography nightmare. Go back again 40 years and you are in 1944. Look at what emerged between then and 1984. It looks like we slowed down a lot since then.
But the first ten years of Macintosh 1976-1986 (Apple II to Macintosh Plus) were way beyond Alan Turing and Colossus. Look at the graphics on the demo programs on the Macintosh.@@ulrichhauser-ehninger7669
Whoops I meant the first ten years of Apple.
Sure I guess so
The basics of the graphical user interface, introduced by Apple, are in every today's gadget.
Her voice is very soothing
Very "Mister Rogers" in cadence.
I wish I would of had her as an instructor in the late 80's, early 90's when learning how to operate desktop computers. 😊
They should have offered the Siri voice job to her.
It so meditative, those times are so comfortable slow
Cupcakes with tea at grandparents' house on a lazy summer afternoon.
ASMR
It needs a good Monster Truck Rally announcer.
(nondescript metal guitar music in the background, threatening to drown out the voiceover)
TONIIIIIIGHT! A graphic artist AMAZES our hosts with her computer WIZARDRY (wizardry wizardry echos).
WATCH as she THRILLS! (thrills thrills!)
CHILLS! (chills chills!)
And COMPUTATES! in this lightning-fast, frenetically edited super segment!
I mean it's PBS. Still kind of this way today.
I learned that ASMR affecionados cherish this interview with Susan Kare. They say it's one of the proto-ASMR examples along with Bob Ross.
The moment when she types on the keyboard, damn.
It's just perfection
This really does demonstrate her ability to communicate clearly both in words and visually. A very rare combination.
“analogous to life”
🙄
She was a great UI designer and UX engineer at once!
She paved the way... And she is also lovely.
Maybe Apple should hire her to do their keynotes? It might make their presentations interesting again.
What is the difference?
Susan kared
*is
This is groundbreaking stuff for the time. This is almost 2 years priors to the release of Windows 1.0 and still to this day represents the way we work mostly with a computer to this day (files system, move and drag, mouse interaction, double clicks, etc.).
It's almost 7 years after Smalltalk and over a decade after the mother of all demos.
I'm not so impressed, personally. Only one year later, the first Amiga model came out, and blew the Mac clean out of the water in every possible regard, while costing a whole lot less. This thing was practically useless out-of-the-box, unless you invested even more money in an expensive RAM upgrade.
@@ralfvanbogaert3451 problem - it came out after Atari's TOS and no matter how much you try, they both came after and drew heavily from Apples efforts.
Even if I agree with you about the Mac, it doesn't change that people were copying the concepts that were popularised (although mostly not originated) by Apples efforts in the GUI front. And the things Amiga did differently (using a workbench metaphor for file systems for example) didn't catch on. Having said that it was still superior. It just came after.
@@medes5597 It came out after TOS because Tramiel rushed the ST to market to pre-empt the Amiga after he failed to get the rights to the chipset. It can't be denied that the Mac popularised the mouse-driven GUI, but let's face it, it's a pretty crappy, hugely overpriced, almost gimped computer that was next to worthless without additional upgrades.
@@ralfvanbogaert3451 I don't give high praise for the Macintosh itself. The Smalltalk itself was already excellent demonstration, and it is understandable how Jobs was totally taken by it, and rushed Lisa to come with GUI just six months before release. That is the feat, in six months to turn the text interface system to have graphical interface on it.
Now what the Xerox did with the Xerox Star, that is impressive. as they polished very much about the Xerox Alto. But regarding how PARC did all kind innovations and Xerox chief of staff didn't recognize and utilize those, that was massive mistake... It is like the Gary Kildall postponing the IBM deal because his wife's birthday was on that day the IBM wanted the meeting to get CP/M to IBM PC, and as meeting wasn't possible, IBM walked to Microsoft. It is just sad irony that she later divorced him, after he even put her birthdays ahead the company he so much loved. (Tell a lot about some women anyways).
The PARC was as well very heavily restricted to the Xerox main business, photocopiers and scanners. Why they had that mentality from the begin that how computers work with the GUI they created. Like the document creation where to insert a graphic/picture to document, you did it with same process as you did it with the physical paper. Transferring the image from one paper to another using specific tool. Or like the screen was made vertical so that you can have a 1:1 letter on screen as on paper at hand. That was its curse as was for its major benefit!
And that is the greatness in the Apple design, that they were never restricted to that "old business" mentality. Why Apple made their work process far more smooth and easier, like how you could just copy the image from anywhere, and paste it to word processor at any given position and it came there, without requiring you to prepare the area first in document, and then transfer the image to that area.
Those couple extra steps that Xerox Star required was result from the too analogy thinking process.
Where at Apple they really could just skip and ignore that and make it easier and nicer.
I have the Atari ST 520 running in perfect condition from its time, 1985. Even when it has just 512 Kb of memory, it is very capable machine for its time, considering that Macintosh came out year before. The GEM was IMHO ahead of the Apple, and there are some small nice features too. Why it is totally understandable why Apple wanted to kill it, and why in GEM 2.0 the resizable and movable windows were removed and no more overlapping. Basically killing it on that spot.
These years from mid 70's to late 80's were the golden era of computing, that was when the computer technology was defined and developed to be even today. After that everything is just smoothing these small things and make it somewhat better, and manyways even worse.
Like today I finished 32 page presentation file, and it is even today way too complicated than what it should really be about for casual users. When you know the applications, it is easy. But seeing how many is constantly failing to make good presentations and so on push forward with their ideas, it is not odd that it can really be sourced to these tiny details like how to get the file on the slide, or how to get the slide in 16:9 instead 4:3 ratio etc. And talk about getting it as PDF and printed even..
There is so much tiny paper cuts all over the applications that you do not expect the casual users anymore really want to learn them. Simply saying, way too much features...
I really gotta stop falling in love with people from the past. Goodness.
One of the hazards of time travel 🥺
The Who did a song about that very thing.
This nicer version of Sarah Connor should have invented the time machine by now.
@@apennameandthata2017 which one?
Thought it was just me. She has a lovely face.
I love how back in 1984, the GUI was such a new thing and so very futuristic. Now it's common place.
sad to see how cluttered modern ui is becoming though.
What is GUI?
@@Jrep79 Graphical User Interface
@@Jrep79 Graphical User Interface.
It's pronounced "gooey" by computer aficionados.
She's an icon herself.
I just clicked on it had no idea what it was about, thought that was a bit of an over the top compliment.
I'd like to back up her hard drive.
This is a beautiful thing to watch.
Hard to believe this doesn't have more views or likes!
Makes me want to break out my old Mac Plus.
how much for the Mac Plus?
@@algoboi That one will never sell. Indeed I have a brand new in the box motherboard as well as analog board if I ever need them :)
makes me wanna buy one.
Interesting here that Susan refers to events like "operate like window shades (2:19)" and "we get what we call a Window (2:37)" and then a year later in 1985 Microsoft Launches "Windows."
When apple tried to sue Microsoft for copywrite infringement, Microsofts defence was, they both stole everything from Zerox.
The idea of windows in GUI design had been around for years before this interview. It was not new at all in 1984. The Xerox Alto had windows, and referred to them as such, in 1973. The nomenclature had been long established.
It's amazing to see this video. I remember working with Macs (a MacPlus to be precise), in music as early as the late 80s. The computers then had no hard drives. The machine wouldn't do anything until you inserted a floppy disc that had the OS on it. Then you had to put in another disc for data. Just amazing where we are now.
Gotta love the wide-eyed excitement of everybody in this video! The hosts can’t stop asking about every minor detail, Susan can’t keep herself from showing it off. Great moment in computer history.
This is how we got hooked. I still remember laying on the floor of my parent's living room, reading as much as I could and learning to program it!
such a pleasant voice
Very Susan.
Like a dog whistle for nerds.
A lot of Susan Kare’s graphic design talent is behind the way everyone interacts with and uses technology today. It was the simplicity and the ease of which information was conveyed that makes her work a design classic.
Do you have examples? Would love to see.
@@WhatALoadOfToscahe has no idea of what he’s talking about 😹 it’s job random comment
She got all that from the Xerox Parc demo.
@@WhatALoadOfTosca literally the video you just watched...
@@jtfike Literally what?
I would have been begging my parents to get me a Mac in 1984 had I seen this as a kid 40 years ago. Note the date on the Control Panel: March 14! (Happy Pi Day) I agree with the ASMR fans, this is relaxing to listen to. Susan Kare is a legend.
A car was cheaper
Loved Computer Chronicles!
Oh my gosh, time seemed so chill back then.
It was.
In 1983, the Soviets had a false nuclear alarm that almost led to them launching their ICBMs.
Only in retrospect. At the time, it seemed things were moving way too fast.
Fifty years from now, people will look back at how we lived and say things seemed so slow and mellow back in the 2020s.
@@TheRealLaughingGravy And so you mean to say that the “speed at which we’re living” today is a similar one to back then and that it is only an illusion or that we do indeed “live faster” but that this speed is only increasing over time leading to every generation to look back on the older one as “slower”?
Edit: I realize this is worded rather poorly and I hope you get what I mean
@@distinguishedbreadmand I think what he’s saying is that the pace of technological development is continuously accelerating, but since to some extent we get used to it, what seemed to him too fast then is, from his perspective today, not.
This is such an iconic (no pun intended) speech.. Can you imagine how pivotal this was? She says,
"We get what we call a window"
Damn. That's a word that's going to do a whole lot of heavy lifting over the next 40 year.
Yeah, I took a beat on that too, remembering that (in 1984) almost no one knew that's what it was called.
@@professor_stevens6784 kinda like “pinch to zoom and shrink”. Absolutely seminal.
@@graxxor Good comparison. Contrast that with a teenager today saying "dial a phone," or "tune in a station."
This is also a great explainer when compared to what Xerox had when they presented their GUI a decade before: photocopiers didn't have file systems so their GUI was only for functions, not files or folders. They didn't have trash bin, drag&drop or windows. Lisa really was a whole new level on how the GUI would work on a computer.
I strolled into a computer store in the Summer of ‘84. I was enthralled with the Mac they had on display. It was magical. The first time I had ever seen a GUI or mouse.
The store staff nicely let me interact with it for hours. I explored the entire thing, and worked paint until I was tired.
And the world moved in to the era of Post-Mac.
And Post - It's
And Post - ure problems
She got such a lovely voice and soothing way of explaining. Loved listening to this. Thanks for this interesting time travel.
Amazing. I love how she explains things. Thanks for sharing!
Susan's work is remarkable, thanks to her simple iconography make the Mac an easy to use computer. I remember using Hypercards an Macpaint, I love the Icons very simple at the time and very nostalgic to look at them now. Susan kare is the Original UX/UI Guru. She IS an ICON.
HyperCard is a goat app, I loved making point and click games in that
That keyboard is so gratifying. She is so chill
I was already loving her presentation - then she pulled the keyboard towards her and I realized that was the M0110 (era back when Apple used quality Alps switches in their keyboards).
Lovely sound. I have one that I don't even use but just really like having around for its design and as a piece of keyboard history.
This woman is a dream. Very smart, beautiful and kind, one in a million. Legend.
Not only we take all of this for granted, but it seems so basic and established that a lot of the young folks don't understand how revolutionary this was for the time period. It's lovely seeing it, thank you for sharing the video.
Love the keyboard sound. So much care and attention she is a delight to watch.
I will never forget the first time I ever used a Mac (also the first time I’d ever used a computer) in 1994. I had the opportunity to use my Dad’s PowerBook 180C that he had for work (a computer portable enough to take home with him). He showed me how to turn it on and edit a Word file. So I made a list of comic books I owned. After saving the file I wanted to put it on a floppy disk. I had no idea how to do that and assumed it would involve some complicated computer commands. But I saw the floppy disk image on the desktop and I knew you could drag things with the mouse so I thought… I wonder if I can just drag it onto the disk? Surely that won’t work. That’s too stupidly simple to work. Needless to say… it blew my mind when it worked. That changed the whole trajectory of my life. I fell in love with the Mac and I’ve been working in IT ever since.
Thank the Lord for people like you in IT and not just people like me that actually know how to operate a computer.
I was rushing a fraternity in 1984 and I saw this in the first office that I worked in after college. God I'm old. 😬
This is a fantastic piece of history. I remember using the first Mac when it came out; a friend bought one. It was mesmerizing. Groundbreaking. So many fundamental aspects of the interface persist in many electronic devices to this day.
This is historic. Thanks for posting it!
It was fun to be there, watching it all evolve. It's come so far.
I absolutely loved learning the Macintosh when I got my first on in about 1986! It was so incredibly intuitive and required no prior computing knowledge at all! Used it to work on my MBA.
Nice video. Now it’s 40 years later. Look how far we’ve come. Incredible
Thank you for inventing those lovely icons ))
I could listen to her talk forever, her voice is very reassuring, like everything is right with the world
Does this bring back memories. First time ever using a Mac computer was in a computer class in grade 7, mid 80's. Incredible experience, having never used a computer in my life. Seemed incredibly complicated and never thought I could ever learn to use one. I can still the smell the scent of plastic in that classroom. Nothing beats the smell of a room full of new computers.
It’s insane think that many of the terms she says they used, are now the common place phrases for what they are.
Truly, any historic video
What a talented and poised presenter. Her bio is spectacular. Makes me feel as if I wasted my life.
2010 I worked on Unix based process control computers for silicone crystal growing furnaces. They were from 1979 and had graphical process control with CRT touch screens. I was pretty blown away by this. They were still running.
If you hadn’t used a DOS based interface of a computer in the early 80s, and compared it to the early Mac, you have no idea how innovative this really was.
She's like one of the coolest computer nerds ever!
The way of people interacting back then was different. The whole atmosphere was conducive to thinking and understanding. Whether you watch this or Rachel Welch interview, the emphasis is on communicating ideas not entertainment. Is so much more comfortable with the old world.
It's still the case in Britain. Check out their documentaries. They're boring to me, but there's a lot less fluff.
My grandpa (born 1928) didn't work in tech but I'd say was an enthusiast and for whatever reason made it a priority of his to own these early personal computers starting from the early 1980s to my knowledge, probably realizing their potential power and the internet. I would have loved to talk to him about this. I remember playing on what could have been a Macintosh SE (launched in 1987) when i was 3-4-5 years old in the late 1980s playing a black & white coloring book game on a very small screen.
Amazing video. Pretty cool to think of this likely being the first exposure to a GUI for most people.
You don't have to be a computer nerd to appreciate the impact of the GUI on humanity. It's not an overstatement.
That was really the big bang of technology
I bought a Mac in October of 1984 after seeing a demo of the graphical user interface. Still using one today. Even using and doing technical support for years of Windows machines never lessened my love for the simplicity of Macintosh. So fun again seeing how simple things were back then. I'd forgotten the 8-page limit in Notepad.
The Computer Chronicles is the best
Amazing to see what this computer is capable of. I think I'm gonna buy one.
Computer Chronicles was always on in our house. I ended up being a programmer on IBM 3090s to start. Cut my teeth on an Apple II. We were WOWed when we borrowed a Mac for the weekend.
Hard to believe how far we’ve come!
1984 and the joys of writing within a note book and how true that is, the pages in the hundreds that express all kinds of thoughts in word or work that may or may not ever be found. Intended to be read but by whom not known, those moments of brevity they are but yours to own.
This was TWO years before i was born. I remember early to mid-90s when my elementary school started introducing/offering PC computer "classes". WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE. i was always on solitaire or drawing something on Paint
As a 1984 college graduate this brings back so many memories of those early days of technology.
It's amazing how little things have changed since then.
Amazing is how sucky Apple products are.
She is truly lovely.
I remember being in the 7th grade in 1980 and watching these kids play a game on one of the early Mac’s. The screen was tiny and the game was from the dinosaur age. Anyway we were standing there watching this and this kid tapped me on the shoulder and whispered to me THIS IS THE FUTURE!!! I’ve always remembered that. Computers and the internet and games revolutionized our world.
Amazing what they could do with very limited memory at that time. And that graphic was smooth and stable.
It's good to see that the comb over is still in style
Старые добрые времена, такое спокойное человеческое общение....
now i clearly understood what an icon, notepad, control panel are used for in windows. Thank you Apple!
What a beautiful video and demonstration. Thank you!
Why zoom in like that to create an artificial widescreen effect? The video looks cramped and we miss out on content on the top and bottom.
I still remember how excited we all were the first time that we saw the Mac. "And it's so portable!" they exclaimed. It had a little handle on top and one could carry it around, in what passed as portability in the days before laptops.
It's incredible that nearly 40 years later the UI of the Mac remains relatively unchanged.
Longevity
It is, as a result of her groundbreaking work. Shame they removed scrapbook tho.
And I llike it that way, I know where everything is without actually knowing it xD
Also the same is true of Windows which is software built much the same way as Mac software.
Stagnant for 40 years you mean
I remember my uncle Ron Hochsprung was an early engineer for Apple and when he visited he brought a Lisa prototype before it was released. The graphical user interface was mind blowing!
When i see this videos,i think how gentle were the peoples during the explanation,today we may smile for this Mac but there were curiosity imagining the future as it would be
Back in the day I used to watch this show some 40 years ago. Love the suits and the long boot time!
She is great. So chilled.
That keyboard clicking was so 80s. So satisfying.
The basics that are still actuall after 40 years! Nice and intelligent people we see
Smart and soothing at the same time. Her entire family are smart people.
A disservice to society that this was rushed. Imagine if we had long format interviews back around these times…
But then Stewart wouldn't get to interrupt or speak over people!
@@WhatALoadOfToscaI always despised him. He pretends he’s the know-it-all and has the peasants come on in his show to educate the masses. Whenever the guest wants to go in a bit of detail he cuts it off and puts them in their place.
@@thomas_xsg I could see how maybe someone would perceive his style this way, as I sometimes find his approach a bit grating myself. But remember that he has to try to keep people on point during demo after demo, with a limited allotment of time, while trying to cover as much as possible and keeping it very general for a very wide audience without getting too deep into the weeds. It can seem as though he's being disrespectful at times, but he's gotta move the demo/ interview/ discussion along. He's under quite a bit of pressure to make all this happen without extensive editing, on a relatively low-budget production.
I started at a computer store the day after the Mac was introduced. To say I was blown away is a gross understatement.
All of which we very much take for granted today
Back then everyone laughed at the mouse idea. She even gives Mr Gates a name for his UI in this demo.
This is an ASMR video all day I'm falling asleep I love it she's great
:-) It was so revolutionary seeing "pictures" (icons/graphics) onscreen instead of just lines of ASCII characters. What a time in the history of humanity to be alive as this profound evolution in individual and collective consciousness proceeds. Hooeeee....!
"We're moving in to the 80s" - indeed we were! According to the Mac, this was filmed 14th of March 1984 at 3:56pm ( 3:49 ) - I was 7 years old.
I really like the looks and stlye of the two interviewers.
The sound of the keyboard brings back memories!
i love this video
Her appearance and voice were/are very good.
This was very helpful. Thank you.
I remember going through this exact learning experience discovering how a new Mac works with these things called icons and folders.
4:17
Reporter: "Show me Notepad and how it's work"
The legendary Susan Kare: "Click to open it and write a note to myself"
So weird that I remember working on system before icons and how this was something that was needed. Thank god.
One could say that her career has been _iconic_ .
Susan and her brother Jordin - both brilliant, wonderful people.
I remember when the control panel looked like that, and there was so much disk swapping! It is mindboggling that they could do all that with 128k of RAM.
I remember back in 1985 walking into a desktop publishing outlet for a printing business. There were rows of these MacIntosh computers. Such tiny screens😊
She’s a legend!