Fender Princeton Reverb Amp Comparison
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- Опубліковано 7 лип 2024
- Same settings, same room, same person, different amp!
Left of screen we have the 'Fender 65 Princeton Reverb'
Right of screen we have the 'Fender 68 Custom Princeton Reverb'
Drive pedal used: Fulltone OCD
First Setting
Vol 2
Treb 5
Bass 5
Verb 2
Second Setting
Volume - 2
Treble - 3
Bass - 6
Reverb - 4
Third Setting
Volume - 2
Treble - 7
Bass - 5
Reverb - 6
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00:00 Intro
00:11 First Setting
01:33 Second Setting
03:08 Third Setting
This video is pure greatness man. Best way to compare two amps: same guitar, same player, same riff, different amp. It’s also brilliantly executed.
Great video, for so many reasons. And the final video I needed to pull the trigger on the 68...it’s just preference, but I was feeling the warmth and serenity of the 68, and then the wife came down the stairs and without looking at the screen she was able to identify the one I liked. Done, super appreciated.
I just bought the 65.Jensen 12".Western Tolex.Very happy!!!
Nice demo.Thanks for the settings as well.
The perfect review doesn't exis... thank you now I know what amp is for me
Very creative demo presentation!
Very cool. Both of these amps come alive around 5 on the volume.
amazing comparison video!! the way it should be done!!
I like the 65 with the Jensen speaker because it is brighter. Just sounds more right or classic to my ears.
I like the stare downs. Great vid.
I got the 65 and LOVE IT!
I’m normally not a fan of the split screen trick. But for these comparisons I enjoyed the effect, it is functional to see which amp is being played at just a glance.
Yea this was fun!
This is the bench mark of amp demos. hope you can do other species of amps as well, this is the best by far
Dude! I have been deliberating between these two... I've watched countless reviews, played them myself, etc. and this is by far and away the best comparison. No talk, just good playing putting the amps through the paces and letting the tones do the talking. Thanks so much for this... my mind is made up after seeing / hearing this video. Much appreciated! :)
So which did you pick?
@@ericandrews1661
Neither' if he had' he would have replied saying which one.
The black face all the way. The best most fair comparison I ever saw/heard.
its a bad review of the 68 because its EQd badly for the 68 circuit with the decreased negative feedback design of the 68. The bass needs to go down inverse to volume on the 68. Like bass at 2 with volume over 4. EQ'd the same as the BF 65 isn't how 68 users Eq them. If they are Eq'd properly the demo would properly show drive and break up at diff volume settings comparison.
Beautiful. Thank you. I'm only now in the market for a Princeton and this comparison solidifies and validates my previous assessment-i like the '65. The '68 sounds like it has a 'vintage filter' applied to it. I'm sure, without an A/B, it sounds fantastic, but immediately next to the '65, it sounds duller, muddier, flatter.
Awesome video! Love that 65
Geeze, it is really obvious how much warmer the '68 is...I bought the '68 Custom Deluxe Reverb over the '65 for the same reason. Great work.
Thanks, great video
I had the amp on the right with siler faceplate along with a Magnum Les Paul copy. My mom and dad got me the amp and guitar and a Tom Scholz Soloist I used for distortionand chorus for Christmas. Wish I still had them.
I've seen many vids on the PRRI 65 and 68. This is a good one, and the first one that shows the 68 has its place. In several clips it sounded better, particularly in the first third of this video. It's got a darker and more rounded liquid syrupy tone.
I have a 68 and I feel like the comparisons don't do it justice because it always feels like the 68 is playing on the 65's turf. 68 has its own sweet spots and its own strengths.
Gotta have both
Silver for me! I have One,It Is marvellous!!!
I have the 68 custom sea foam green with green back speaker I’m very happy with it sounds. But I’m a rocker at heart also I like the sound with driving pedals. Right now using a blue note great pedal and Analogman Ed 9 with big bob.
Sorry SD 9 with Big Bob added
very good idea great thank you very much!
I originally bought these 68 Princeton but then ended up exchanging it for the 65 Princeton. the 65 sounds a lot better in my honest opinion but the tremolo on the 68th is a lot better and the earlier breakup is also nice. But at the end of the day the 65 just sounds better.
Aww shucks, now I have to buy the other one! They both do certain things very well. I wonder if the settings were tweaked instead of exactly the same if they would sound truer to each other. Agreed with all below, great benchmark demo.
I have a 68 custom Princeton reverb and I realized the secret of how to set it. The issue with the amp is a resistor on the tone stack that makes this amp more like a bassman amp. Hear me out. The issue is not that the amp has more bass, it’s that there is a preset amount of low mids. Because of this, even if you turn the bass off, there’s always a very present low end.
However, set the volume to 5, the treble to 8 and the bass to 5 and turn the volume on your guitar down to 3-4 and you will have the beautiful fender clean sound, very much like a standard Princeton. By raising the treble and bass, you effectively scoop the low mids that make this amp sound weird in a lot of demos. Even better, turn up the volume knob on your guitar and you have the best breakup in a small fender amp that I have heard.
This took a while to get to. You cannot just leave your guitar volume on 10 and set the amp the same as you would another Princeton. This amp is it’s own thing. Explore it and you’ll be rewarded!
Hi, after months of trying and frustration I realized the same thing: there isn't too much bass, there is "muddiness" in the low-mids. I thought about a speaker change but eventually ended up with an EQ pedal. First I tried the Boss GE-7 (good for the price but noisy) and then went for the Orange "Two Stroke", a clean boost with a two band parametric EQ. The issue is around 400 Hz (more or less). Cut some db's around that frequency and the muddiness/darkness will disappear. You can boost some high frequencies if you need (carefully) or you can use a clean boost. I've got the amp treble knob on 8 and the bass knob accordingly to the guitar and the overall amp volume (usually between 1 and 5).
@@IgnazioCarbone This is very useful tip. I had both amps before. But really struggled with the muddiness of 68 and couldn't get rid of it even with bass all the way down. You are right it is the mid which is not possible to be adjusted on the amp. An EQ pedal is a simple and good solution.
@@jiajunyang1573 why not just get a 65 then? I have one and it's an amazing amp
@@IgnazioCarbone why not just get a 65 then? I have one and it's an amazing amp
why not just get a 65 then? I have one and it's an amazing amp
Thanks for putting this up. I play an SG and I'm really close to selling my Supersonic 22 for a Custom 68 Princeton Reverb. I really dig the tone. Cheers
Sg and the 65 work perfect together!
I love my new 65!The Supersonic 22 head is my next amp.
A little late to the dance but would love to hear a single coil strat comparison. A match made in heaven. I have a 74 silver face with blackface circuitry and a silver face reissue. Love them both.
This is a fantastic review, I wish they were all like this! It just makes my decision between these 2 amps even harder though lol. Half of the riffs I thought the 65 sounded better but the other half the 68 sounded better 🤦🏻♂️
i guess we gotta buy them both 😢
I've read all the comments and no one has mentioned the Schumacher
transformers in the '68... very possibly the reason for the added power and
bass of the '68... (?) cheers
Love 68...
I'm a twin too. How cool!
Great video. What I've never seen is a player adjusting the 68, which is obviously bassier, to see if it can emulate the 65's cleans. At the same settings it's often muddy by comparison.
Hi, if you roll the bass and boost the treble on the 68' you can definitely get in the ballpark of the 65'. Although the speaker difference will always present different characteristics regardless of eq. Thanks, WOM
AGREED. It's rather frustrating. I'd never use the 68 with that much bass...
I think overall the 65 sounds better but the 68 might be more suitable for jazz
Interesting demo. Where did you have the volume knob set on the '65 when you used the OCD? Cheers.
I modified a 65 tweed reissue..... upgraded speaker to a 12" creamback, vi- AY7, V2 - AY7 V3 AT7..................AHH !!!!!! LOVIN - LIFE....
The stock speaker in the '68 does the amp a very serious disservice. The circuits are inherently different (obviously), and the '68s do have a more bass heavy sound with the added earlier breakup, but by cramming a cheap, $35 Celestion Ten 30 Fender really shot themselves in the foot. I have a limited edition '68 Princeton in blue tolex. Aside from the colour, Fender also upgraded the speakers in these amps to a G10 Greenback. The difference in sound, clarity and tone is NIGHT and DAY. Yes, it may not be that shimmering 'classic' Fender sound, so it's not for everyone. But the addition of a proper speaker really opens these amps up, lets them 'breathe' and perform at their full potential. Don't write them off so quickly. All that aside, this is a truly excellent side by side comparison, probably one of the best I've see. Good show.
I'm going for a Ragin Cajin in mine. Pretty much on the mark though with the poor choice of speaker in an otherwise great amp.
Love the 68!
You need both.
Definitely an interesting comparison. Does Fender put the same speaker in each of these amps? They also ahce different circuits, so comparing same tone settings side by side may not indicate what one amp can really do versus the other if the tone is re-adjusted. I see bass is never less than 5. I'd drop the bass a little more on the 68 and give it a little more treble to see where it goes, and to run them with the same speaker. I have a vintage 73 Princeton Reverb with a Weber 10F150T and run the bass around 3 and treble around 7 most of the time.
I guess the 68 is a bit louder than the 65 with both set at the same volume. I hear more treble frequencies from the 65, and I’m assuming it’s the lower mids from the 68? Anyway which one do you prefer?
This is a great video! Thank you! If it's possible could you do a new one with some of the new '64 amps?
We will do our best! Haven't managed to get one through the door yet though. Cheers WOM
Porque trae dos entrada input en el frente el Princeton 65 para que sirve la segunda entrada?
Drop a 10 inch Celestion gold 40 watt in the silver face and it rips and still has all the charm and bell tones
Good stuff! Which OD pedal are you using? Loved the bite on the 65.
Hi, we are using the Fulltone OCD. Thanks WOM
I prefer the blackface. Clean and overdriven. The 68, to my ear is somewhat muddy.
Nothing against you guys, but the guy to the left seem slightly the better guitar player! Great sounding amps Princeton!!
Not going to disagree : )
I agree the 65’ sounds better all around to me. What did that thing retail for in 65’? Where could a person get one? Before Guitar Center?
@@WorldOfMusicAustralia The player on the right is better looking though...
The purpose to a 68 is revealed when you use it in the studio and stick a 57 and decent ribbon one inch from the grill and use OD pedals at which point I'd take a 68 all day long over a 65 which I find has too much top end sizzle for my ears in that scenario. Fender knew exactly what they were doing when created a 68, it has just the right set of mods to make a great studio amp.
If All things are equal I like the 65 far more than the 68. Brighter, clearer, more articulate.
I Agree. 65 = Made in USA (not Mexico like the 68) More clean headroom vs. 68, better note definition & harmonics. Gives a Strat - that Chimey Classic Tone. I did an extensive comparison, before Easily Choosing the 65 Blackface, (however) The Tremolo is better on the 68. They are both surprisingly good though, and you can't go wrong with either-one. Great side-by-side comparison.
@@michael_caz_nyc Something right in between the two would have been perfect. I like the 65's clean tone but would like it to break up a lil better as well. Oh well maybe that's impossible?
@@HiHello-ku1fl For me: I want Super High Headroom & that Fender Clean Tone. There are so many Pedals with many different flavors for dirt. I use a Fulltone OCD, & Thorpy Fallout Cloud. I have also used the DOD 250 and the MXR Distortion+ - now looking at the Lawrence Petross Design Pedals. Great Video brother.
68 for my taste
the 68 sounds rad to me, esp at 3:45
Nice, Id like the 65, but I hear the tremolo is better on the 68. Kinda wanna just get the Vibrochamp, but don't think it would be as loud as I want it.
I don’t know if it’s a UA-cam audio thing, but the 68 custom frequently sounds bad muddy in these demos. I have one and it sounds good rich not bad muddy. I love the more spongy/quacky sound compared to the 62 reissue which is much brighter with stock speaker anyway. I wonder how many blind purchase the 62 reissue based on these UA-cam comparisons only to find it’s too bright for their taste. I strongly advise to test the amps for yourself or get both delivered to your home and return the one you don’t like. Love the split video approach. Very effective to watch. Cheers
DJ T curious why you mention the ‘62’? Not being a smartass at all, but did you mean to say the ‘65?
couldn't agree more - the 68 always sounds dark and woofy on UA-cam videos no matter how good my headphones are. I own a 2019 68 and it doesn't sound like the majority of video demos would lead anyone to believe. I do keep the bass turned down, but for some reason the videos make it sound worse.
Ha! Only just realised I must have had some mental block and couldn’t count in my previous comment. 62!? Must have been looking at a completely different 62 based product around the same time 🤪 Since then I tried the 65 Bordeaux FSR version with 12” Jenson P12Q from Guitar Center and that’s VERY nice. Like the best of both worlds (the standard 65 and 68 custom mixed together).
How are you micing these amps? I am trying to mic my '65 PRRI with a SM57 but it sounds like farts up close, but sounds lovely in the room.
My Silver face sounds clear & bright. Like shaking off the glistening dew in the pee wee hours of the morning.
been eyeballing the 65 as an upgrade to my Blues Jr but its going to take me forever to afford one on my paycheck. Better start saving.
Hey man, I recently bought a 65 Princeton reissue and it blows the heck of out my Blues Jr tweed. Blues Jrs are amazing, but I love the way my overdrive pedals sound better on the Princeton. Reverb, and built a trem are a major plus too. I was never a fan of the black face and silver face amps, but they simply sounds amazing and far better than my blues jr.
@@yestoES355 since I made that comment I've had my Princeton and it's wonderful those blue jr NOS's they're great but they are very shrill very temperamental on the top end. I actually managed to find something that is FSR and that is that my Princeton is the wine red one with the 12-in Jensen speaker. The blues Junior NOS's they claim to be limited edition but guitar center musicians friend everyone everywhere still has them brand new So I don't know why theyre consider limited edition. On the other hand this wine Princeton I got was the only new one in any guitar center across the country and the used market there were none in the entire country.
What’s that hybrid picking style song around 2 minutes?
The 68 has a real dud for a speaker - the Celestion ten-30. The 65 has the Jensen which is way better. I bet the 68 would come alive with a real speaker.
RockStarAccountant agreed
Left (65?) sounds much cleaner an better to these old ears! (The right one sounds wooly!)
It the Celestion in that one. They suck -_-
There’s no point in adjusting both amps the same way. They are different from eachother, and they sound different.
@@ihikml4314 Totally agree. I had the 68 (miss it like hell) mostly it sounded best with the treble at 10, and bass to taste.
It had a terrible cabinet rattle though with the volume above 2,5. Still - it sounded amazing.
I keep thinking, "wow, the Princeton Amp is making a comeback." That's good news, because it might be the best small pedal platform ever made.... but then I realize you're talking about Princeton Reverbs. Different amps, folks. Don't get sloppy
Sold on 65 at 3:09
I much prefer the 65 here. I have the 68 and swapped the speaker a couple times, and jumpered the bass pot resister. I've got a great amp now. I do think the 68 takes dirt a bit better and if you want dirty it might be the better amp. But man, the 65 sounds nice here, outta the box. Makes me think maybe my bigger brother purchase could be the 65 - deluxe or twin, tba
What speaker did you settle on in the end? Cheers
@@Arthur_My_Dear i settled on the eminence allesandro. It sounded balanced, not so bass heavy. I actually ended up trading up to a drri, and was much happier, even for lower volume. But you need to clip the bright cap if you wanna use dirt in the vibrato channel. Do that, and it’s a perfect amp.
@@BadMofoMusicCritic Hi, thanks for that. I’m going to jump that resistor with a temp wire/crocodile clips. The allesandro is on my shortlist - there are so many different ‘this is the one!’ speaker recommendations for this Princeton on forums. I’d like the Deluxe too as it seems to have a 68 and a 65 channel, but this amp is only for studio and home so it seems like overkill. Thanks again
@@Arthur_My_Dear yeah jumping the bass resister is good. Still more than enough bass, but the pot is now usable instead of stuck on 1 or 2. I had a g10 vintage before the allesandro. It was really smooth and nice. Maybe even better for dirt. But the allesandro was balanced, with that amp needs imo.
Volume aside. I just much prefer a 12 inch speaker, even at low volume. The drri just sounds bigger and fuller. Either amp will need an attenuator to open up at home anyways. Good luck!
@@BadMofoMusicCritic I’d also love the addition of a middle pot on the back panel, but that’s way beyond my skill level unfortunately. Cheers
Great dem. The '65 is way better.
Do these amps have the same speaker? The '65 would sit so much better in a mix. I wonder what the difference is (other than silver vs black face).
Hi, the 65' has the Jensen C10R speaker and the 68' a Celestion Ten 30.
The circuits are also different
I put an Eminence Ragin Cajun in my 68CPR and it seriously brought it to life.
Silverface has a bassman circuit in it
AWESOME comparison! I would love to know what chords you're playing at the part that starts at 0:40!
Bb maj13 (Major 7 with 9 & 6th), G 7b10, G9, Cm7 add 9
I really like the way the 68 custom breaks up but after playing it I realized it's a lil too bassy even with the bass all the way down. I wonder if a speaker swap could fix it or would it have to be modded? If it's a mod then I'd rather go with one of the 65's with a 12.....maybe get them to do what has been done to the 68 with the tonestack and negative feedback to get it to break up like the 68. Anyone done this or looked into it? I wonder what mods could make one have the cleans of the 65 but with breakup more like the 68? Or just get the OCD pedal and the 65 hahahaha. Easier!
I have the 68 Princeton they are bass heavy and the bass control does little but then I found out about R34 resistor mod it's very easy to do it allows you to turn the bass down .
@@johnwatkins677 is it on the printed circuit board? Worried about messing up the board unless it's easy. I can solder etc.
For the R34 mod just search the internet. If you remove the chassis you will see the resistor coming off the bass control it's not part of the circuit board.
Don't clip the resistor if you want to test this mod just get a piece of wire with two alligator clips and attach each side of resistor and try it then if you decide to go ahead just cut a piece of wire bent like a staple and solder each side of the resistor. Job do I hope you like it.
IMO the low-mids in the '68 are fkn awesome and much more interesting than the '65. (from someone that owns a handwirse '65 princeton, 65 deluxe and a silverface super)
Does it have a loud clean sound?
I tried the 68 (and currently try to buy one) and this video doesn't really do justice to it. It almost reaches full volume at 5 and then start to break up in a very cool way (almost sounds like a fuzz)... But it's already loud. You sure can already play too loud in your bedroom. On stage tho you'll need a mic if you want your sound to be clean.
There is a kind of buzz on the 65
Clearly they have no idea how to set up the '68, way to much bass. You can't set the 68 up the same as the 65. It sounds like they have a blanket over the 68. I have one and it doesn't sound nothing like that.
So the 68 is not muddy and is bright like the 65 is
@@MrJoshEsc4p3 the 68 is different than the 65. If you want the fender bright clean, you want the 65. The 68, I wouldn't call it muddy, it breaks up quicker, not as much headroom. I like the 68 but I'm a lead player. If you play more rhythm, you want the 65. It's not muddy though, the 68 that is, it's just not as bright. I don't like the speaker in the 68 but that was an easy fix but it still sounds different than the 65. It's hard to explain. I like the 68 but I am more of a Marshall fan that wanted some fender twang added and that's what I got IMO.
@@erpringle Ah alright, thank you man
Change the speaker in the 68, as I did it , and it made a huge difference in headroom , and more top end......
@@darrylcole5575 Can I ask what speaker you upgraded to?
Is that a standard sg?
'61 Reissue SG Standard. Thanks WOM
I don't wanna be too picky...but this kind of test should use the same cable.
Wow. Silverface by a mile for me. Are these the reissue amps or originals?
Hi, these are the reissue's. Thanks WOM
In this video the vintage blackface fender Princeton reverb sounds much better, clear and dynamic.
there is no vintage amp in the video only reissues
the 65 sounds much brighter. the 68 is muddy
Dang, I've been considering the wrong one for the last two years.
I like the 68 much better. A much warmer tone. Both sound great, but the 65 is a bit piercing
If I would play alone or rhythm 🎸 in a band, 68. Lead 🎸, definitely 65. Clean, 68; drive, 65. You don't have all with none of them. For me, the winner is 65.
The only real solution is to get both and run stereo I guess.
I run the 65 and a vox AC-10 in stereo , is the best sound I've ever had outta smaller amps.
why do they sound like mush in this video
The silver face is more of a accurate recreation of the original counterpart . Both are nice if you can grab them at a used low price. That being said a handwired /DIY clone or a real original is always better off
68 sounds muffled. Great idea but should of been done with a stratocaster
twins
Great idea, but Black destroys the fake and noisy 68.
that's not Mike Bradley
The 68 has too much bass to me, rattled my speakers, even when played clean. Liked the 65 much better. Cheers.
68 just sounds kinda muddy to me.
No doubt the Blackface smokes the Silver. It sounds like the two were recorded completely differently. Boomy, mushy, horrible definition on the SF. Are these amps really that different?
Vol 2. Really? These amps show up on at least 5.
Are that goodAmp`S or are that good Amp`s i mean you can`t better demonstrate that Amp buy both and ready
68 sounded tubby and bloated, 65 sounds much superior here
Wow not even close. Blackface sounds like 1000 times better in every part of the video
Chad 65 Princeton Reverb vs Chad 68 Princeton Reverb
68 looks way better.......Way too much bass!