These Season of Discovery Players are PISSED
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
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Discussing the recent Chaos Bolt NA server drama in Classic WoW Season of Discovery. Do you think Blizzard made the right move?
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PSA: When I pulled up the Chaos Bolt server stats I looked at EU rather than NA. Regardless, the trend is pretty much the same, my opinion doesn't change, and I think this conversation is still worth uploading. Enjoy! (Also, why the hell did Blizzard use the same names for all the EU and NA servers?? lol)
I feel like the conclusion is actually different when you look at chaos bolt us.
Chaos bolt EU is a healthy server with 5000 on each side.
2000 on your faction is a less healthy server for sure. I played on deviate delight, which was a tiny server in vanilla classic, roughly 1500 alliance and 1000 horde. It was… rough.
Horde Guild Leader on Chaos Bolt - NA.
There really is nothing like the RP on Chaos Bolt. You could have walk up RP daily, people got really immersed and respected RP.
This decision Blizzard made kind of shot the server in the foot, and some people believe they really made an "out of touch" decision.
A lot of established guilds are planning on staying into Phase 3 and seeing how the server population is in a few weeks.
Blizzard killing chaos bolt was a W. All hail Crusader strike bolt
I also played at Chaos Bolt, and there's a significant contrast between 5k (Horde)/5k (Alliance) versus 2k (Horde)/2k (Alliance). It's quite inactive and challenging to find players, and keeping the server running there misleads people about what WoW truly is.
They didnt just give free transfers... they locked the server. No one without a character on it can join... this shows the intent to kill it rather than allowing player choice.
I used to play on a smaller server in Classic Vanilla and this guy is right, the server community is way better on smaller servers, knowing every guild and every guild knowing you, being able to join a random pugs and there always being someone in there who can just vouch for you etc is so nice. Large servers feel more dead that small servers community wise.
2 things... 1) They locked the player creation at this announcement; basically, saying that they were going to terminate the server. 2.) They did this right before P3 and only offered a transfer to Crusader Strike (a mega server and the PVE server Lava Lash came later) stating that faction locks were in place. This brought a fear of being split or trapped on a dead server if they suddenly locked Crusader Strike (there was no advanced warning the killing of Chaos Bolt either.)
It was a populated at 40 server in prime time. Borderline layering in some zones. Sure, it might have been low pop on the early leveling zones at the end of P3 when everyone was burnt out; however, damn.. they could have just offered transfers without locking or pay transfers over all. This was heavy handed, out of the blue, and tone death to players that enjoyed the non-mega server vibe.
Yeah the fact that the only option was to go to CS but CS still had the faction lock in place is honestly insane.
Imagine you’re new to sod. And you go to chaos bolt and can’t do any dungeon at all leveling bc your server is so dead.
Yes let’s completely think about 1 side of people and ignore the other side of people.
@@Icyslayergirl huh? That will happen even more on CS. Because you will have way more veteran players . There are super casual guilds .
I’m not going to CS.
In any MMORPG, I much MUCH prefer a smaller realm, no layers, where you're playing in a single world and you see the people in your community over and over, and people make names for themselves (crafters, enchanters, RP'ers, PVP'ers, high tier raiders, etc.) The problem of course is population management, sadly.
Agreed, I play MMORPG for this all. Without it, I don't see the point of playing and would rather just spend time doing other things.
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I was having a blast in SoD, but this has caused me to unsub. The way this was handled, the timing of it, and the disregard for anyone who was happy with Chaos Bolt the way it was very sad to see.
Good
In other words... if you enjoy a smaller community server, find another game.
I think that it's really lame that they would take down Chaos Bolt after many years of never shutting down any retail server despite server pops declining and introducing sharding to make pretend like server health was fine which ultimately destroyed the close knit communities with healthy populations Chaos Bolt represents.
Furthermore I find it funny they want to make it so people aren't forced to reroll but they never gave a shit about the health of the servers that became 100% horde or alliance.
Blizz really just wants 2 or 3 megaservers with 50k people on each. What a waste.
WE HAD A PERFECT LIFE! on Chaos Bolt. No clue why this is happening.
I remember enjoying a healthy 3-6k active players vanilla-tbc-wotlk server (Lightning Blade) back in the day when I was a kid playing WoW
Number of characters on WCL per week doesn't equal active players.
Yeah this is some B.S. from Blizzard, closing down a smaller server just goes against the original philosophy of WOW Classic which was to bring back that sense of community. When the guy speaks about some players he is familiar with and that others on his server know about, you can tell it's part of his experience of playing WOW. They're just going to alienate half the players on this server and probably cause that amount of people to leave the game altogether. Small server experience is different from Mega server experience and they're not for everyone
What do you mean? Classic WoW didn’t have many dead servers. Nor did the original game.
Keep in mind, there are 10% of the players the original game had today. WoW can’t afford small realms in a dying game.
@@brandonkruse6412 What do you mean by dead servers? A server of 4k raiding population is a healthy amount to play on.
Some people play specifically for the experience you get from playing on a smaller realm. You don't need 40k players on one realm to play a MMO
@@brandonkruse6412 Well done. You couldn't have spewed more horseshit if you tried lol.
Check the sub numbers recently released on a graph. And learn the value of sensechecking yourself.
Yeah that’s the end of my subscription(s). Phase 3 hype completely killed for me. CS looking terrible, LL even smaller than we were and isn’t PvP. Terrible options given to us by blizzard. Lots of subscriptions lost I can imagine. Gl all chaos bolters
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You looked at Chaos Bolt EU not Chaos Bolt.
Yeah staysafe isn't the smartest guy 😂
I dont play on CB but still pissed about it.
Okay fine give free transfers from CB to CS (although should be vice versa).
But dont LOCK character creation on CB 😡😡
I play on Chaos Bolt and I AM pissed. Fuck blizzard.
Losing names sucks
I was on chaos bolt it was pretty legit tbh
This whole debacle is a statement from the Devs that if Grobbulus was around today it would have been taken out back behind the shed and shot. Grobb was the reason CS became targeted by streamers in the first place. Disgusting
The least they could do is offer a single other PvP transfer option aside from the one server most rolled there to avoid. The CB discord ran a poll about this and a third said they would be fine moving to something that WASN'T CS or a PvE servers.
The people on Chaos Bolt who are complaining that they can't find groups and who Blizzard says will quit, will have the same problem on any server. They are the types of players that don't join guilds or find like minded people to play with.
I agree. I’d never go back to pugging Gnomer and I imagine sunken temple is going to be even harder.
I joined a guild a week ago and have done 2 Gnomer runs flawlessly with them. The pugs don’t even understand the mechanics of executioner and then they all start blaming each other for wiping.
This is a cringe take. People don’t want a bunch of “tiny tight knit guilds” just circle jerking their small friend groups. They want a massive society to meet new people and just have organic things happen.
Was on Chaos Bolt... we transferred. The guild transferred. I logged onto a toon still there and ran around stv .. used /who ... there was only 29 people there undercity 19 Tbluff 9 Org 15 ... the announcements of a transfer ruining morale and ultimately pushed for the great migration.
As a player on Chaos Bolt I do not think they handled it correctly.
They should have at least allowed people from CS to have an option to transfer to CB.
The server was not as bad as they are making it out to be.
I've been on some dead servers and this was not one of them. Until now that most players transfered off.
I will probably eventually transfer to CS but I'm going to wait till after phase 3 launch because I imagine CS will already be pretty packed for the first couple weeks.
I was on a smaller server up until Cata, then transferred to a high pop server. It didn't feel the same and I ended up quitting a couple months later anyways. I still regret that decision.
you quit because you got tired of the game. Not because you server transferred .. Small servers are bad for the game
Blizzard hasn't learned from the bad decision in 2019-classic when Incendius server was destroyed by free transfers
Stop acting like transfer are the reason wow has gone downhill..That has never been an issue until just now because someone cryin about it
@@johnnyraincloud7518 tell us you never played classic without telling us
@@Plagueheart boy ive been playin since the very beginning, Az'Galor server and they forced us to transfer to Mug'thol ...Did I quit the game? hell nah..I kept playing because its a dope ass game
Mega Servers are Horrible. They lag and DC people all the time, thanks to the BAD BAD BAD layering mechanic system.
Using Logs info to figure things out though is useless, as not everyone raids.
chaos bolt was fine
I played paladin on CB and rerolled a pally on wild growth because it took 30 minutes to find a group for sm and over an hour to find a bfd/gnomer. I paid for a server transfer long before this controversy, only to find i had to refund because paid transfers didnt work at the time.
I had been a chaos bolter playing for almost the entirety of the game, save for a 1-2 week burnout during mid/end stages of phase 1. (currently have 6 40s). For most of phase 1, pop/pug scene felt fine or good even, but with difficulty of gnomer, and the casual atmosphere of the server, p2 population felt like it dipped faster than bfd raiding population in p1. Before p3 was announced, finding a pug gnomer was nearly impossible outside of prime time (5-9/10pm us time), and if you found one, it had high chances of being scuffed (failing on 4th, 5th, or last boss). One of my 6 characters I have a static guild group, and that run was always smooth, and easy to replace any no shows, but my other characters had mixed results in pug scene.
Personally, I had wanted to be on CS, but didnt want to deal with the 4h+ q's on launch so chose Chaos Bolt, but in the end stages of p1 before p2 news/announcement, and the same period in p2, before p3 announcement, the server was pretty dead, and I'm glad they giving free transfers to CS. I just hope we don't get stuck with large q times again on p3 launch.
To me, paid xfers would not have been an option I would take, even for $10/character, I would rather just reroll than spend money to transfer from a dead server, but more likely than that I would have just stopped playing as opposed to the paid xfer. But yea you covered it well, the community was good for a while, but as phases dragged on it was significantly declining. Trying to level alts in SM midphase and I would regularly see not a single person in the lobby of SM, and /who had sometimes only 5-10 players inside, and i would just logout there and try again another time to get a group.
so players arent very good on chaos bolt ..now i see why a few are mad LOL
To be honest, theyre right about not wanting to be aon a mega server. i chose wild growth us because it was not a server the big streamers decided to go to. i SPECIFICALLY CHOSE IT BECAUSE OF THAT.
Inflation hit the economy on Crusader Strike far, far worse then it did on Wild Growth.
Blizzard should've offered FREE transfers to any SoD server they chose. they shouldnt just be automatically thrown on a megaserver.
Realistically if theyre gonna do this anyway, ok, free transfer, any realm. thats all there is to it.
Crusader Strike blows. Knowing that blizzard condemned the server made us jump ship immediately to just get a head of the wave of nonsense that comes next (prior server failure knowledge supports this). We don't like it. We are not happy. We just did what we have to do. Great job losers. Chaos bolt was fine.
Side note. Not a single person in our guild felt any sort of way about leaving until the death post came out.
This happend with azuresong server right before wotlk dropped. The server was just fine, as soon as they opened free tranfers the server died in less than 2 weeks.
These Blizzard devs repeat the same things again and again. Maladath was another server that died in the same way.
My guild on CB is waiting and have fingers crossed we can choose where to go. All of us agree we don't want a mega-pvp server like CS. We want a nice med-pop server that has a community where we know each other and it means something. We knew other individuals in other guilds and we acted as guildmates even though we weren't. I don't think we were mad they made transfers available, but we are mad they locked that realm. That is what caused the mass exodus, It's basically as good as dead now. Most of us who remain, will level in peace and in a couple weeks have to xfer. Like I said, we hope other options open, but here we are.
I personally think people are impatient, all through phase 1 and beginning of phase 2 we only had some minor issues with finding a healer at times, but that's mainly because of other reasons not low player count. I think finding/pugging healers in general has been a struggle foe some after scanning forum posts etc...
Just my thoughts.
Chaos bolter here. I loved chaos bolt no issues finding groups. So far i transfered to crusader strike and have played less. It is definitely less fun. But my guild was fractured by some people transferring and other people staying. Meanwhile all names are new because almost nobody could keep their name
Thanks for the respectful take on this whole thing.
It would be nice to see the same level of respect from Blizzard. I felt that the post Tom wrote to the frustrated CB players only showed care to the people who just want fast groups. It didn't really show a lot of understanding or empathy to those who like smaller, more tight-knit, *RP* servers. Some sort of real apology or more understanding to the players this post was directed at would have gone a long way. Overall I just found Toms post to be unprofessional and poorly worded.
I'm not even playing SoD but a friend pointed this whole thing out to me. I really like the atmosphere of servers of the size that CB was. I'm just not into mega servers. Seeing that Blizzard is shifting to wanting to make mega servers the focus of Classic has been a big turn off and therefore I decided not to play SoD because I didn't want to see something like this happen and it turns out my concerns were on point. I have several friends who feel the same and quit when our previous smaller server died and the choice was to go to a mega server that my friends and I found pretty unwelcoming and too large. We're pretty much all done with Classic unless this mega server focus changes although 2019 Classic was a fun run for a while.
I also agree that people need to take responsibility for themselves and thank you for making that point. It's fine if a person likes mega servers or they prioritize getting fast groups, but yes, that person should just reroll if a server doesn't fit. Also when my kids were really young I didn't play MMOs, because I didn't ever want or expect those MMOs to change to fit my life. Now that my kids are older and more independent MMOs are fine to play again. In other words, I would never be livid in the way Toms post described because I'm responsible enough to where I wouldn't have put myself in that position to begin with.
It was getting more and more dead every month. Half the day there's no one on the server. It's fine if you're on during peak and a terrible ghost town otherwise
Chaos Bolt being awesome was what kept me playing SOD
Shoutout druid rune gore forum post. That rune fucking sucks
Feral players are the people that go to funerals and bring up politics.
I don't think it's its entirely fair to say that people that chose to roll there should be 100% accountable for their decision, given that so many couldn't roll on Crusader Strike at all due to it either being full or the 10k+ queue lengths in the beginning. Chaos Bolt didn't even exist immediately at launch and was only made to alleviate the CS overflow. That aside, finding groups outside of 4-9pm server-time was more often than not, an hour long process to get into something like RFD. Guys were at the point of offering to buy carries through SFK in LFG chat since NO ally groups were going there anyway.
I was gettung so unhappy, and thinking about quitting, which I never have felt. After joining Crusader, I've been so damn happy. So glad this happened
Unfortunatelyf it’s too late but you could Demand for a “locked layer” on Crusader Strike for “Chaos Bolt server players.”
Only chaos bolt players can join the layer and then can’t leave it as well. Also lock the chats to that layer as well.
Lock a Layer in Crusader strike for Chaos Bolt Players.
Let them choose to join the Locked Layer and if they choose it, they can leave it.
If they choose it, they get their own Chaos Bolt layer with no Crusader Strike interaction allowed.
No Crusader strike chats
No Crusader strike groups
No Crusader strike dungeons, raids or guilds.
Make a Chaos Bolt layer for those Chaos Bolt isolationists.
Has there ever been an option to transfer ALL of your characters from one realm to another in one move? I may have paid for that, but not paying for each character. I've only transferred one character ever and it was like 10 years ago, so I don't remember it well.
Maybe it’s just me but the Twitter post feels very patronizing and only further antagonizes me. The audacity for him to say “Hey I was right” in regards to a lot of people moving off after disabling character creation is just mind boggling and disrespectful. Yeah no shit people are transferring off, they killed the server. They can’t then use that as justification to say they’re right.
Idk man, the Twitter post just irks me.
That I play every day and I can say that on the example of my guild of 75 active players, I decided that only I play and it has been going on for weeks. And to note that it is more difficult to find both a raid and a dungeon group on this server called Chaos-bolt. And u forgot to say i raid with four charrs evry week.
I know this is against the grain here but all you need to do is open up the LFG tool on Chaos Bolt compared to the other servers. It was tough getting groups together most of the time. Also, just go sit in the cities and see how many buffs are going out. I ended up making a new character on the pve server and it was crazy how many boons were going out in the short amount of time I was in the cities. Chaos bolt would have people sitting in city for a while waiting to get the buff.
Players should never have to pay to move off low pop servers when the game has a bloody sub.
This is why I play on Lava Lash it’s the only RP server so blizzard can’t shut it down.
Thanks for reading that Blizz employee post lol, I saw it originally when I was on X scrollin' doing my daily mouse wheel activity, and was too stoned to get thru it! Love you StaySafe!!!!
The problem with a cheap and not free server transfer is that plenty of players (especially on SoD) might have 8 characters that they play on with a variety of classes, professions etc. and if you have to pay per character then the cost can add up very quickly. If the cost was to migrate all characters currently on one realm over to another then I think that'd be fine, but that's not how the system works. I am curious how many people there are who want to migrate away from megaservers to have more familiar communities. My guild took advantage of this situation by leaving CS for Lava Lash since they've been offering free transfers there.
I'm Alliance on Chaos Bolt. The last month (before this was announced), so many people were complaining in LFG and trade chat every day. It's population was fine phase 1, but phase 2 was trash
Then opening transfers to LavaLash or what ever is how they really feel. It's a smaller server. But Chaos Bolt didn't have Any GDKP's, we have super minimal Bots, and it was very awesome. But P2 Was So SHITTY, you had just Gnomer and Bloodmoon. But that was it. they should have waited for p3 to drop. Chaos Bolt was sweet.
The server guy also said in other tweets on "We see a couple Mega Servers on Wrath and we want that." then "thousands took the transfers with out a thought." the OG post read as "Move Or you WIL BE MOVED." So I would want to move to the PVP server instead of RP/PVP that's where one of my homies are.
But Also IF Pro has CB's health as better than CS in terms of people logging "Not everyone logs, and some have double toons or 3." but the CS health had a bigger drop, and CB looked more stable.
I played on the "streamer server" when they were doing the blood moon world boss event thing...and the game was an unplayable mess. I left the realm just because of that lol
All the points Tom made players knew going into the server. If you join the lower pop server you accept the trade off but blizzard is making the choice for them due to some churn metric they are beholden to.
I think the cheaper transfer is the best option but if they did that they would have to make server transfers cheaper everywhere or people would complain and that will make blizzard less money so they won't do that
I was happy on Chaos Bolt, but I'm also happy on Crusaderstrike.
You just sowed why the server numbers dip most of the sod player base does not care about raid logging a 10m raid that wont matter the raid is there to milk the raid loggers for $15 a month for the next 2 months.
even i unsub after the first month after every phase level get the runes and see you in 2 months.
Smaller populations are more social, because every single one matters more - you can actually have a sense of belonging, be it on a server-wide scale or in a guild. Might not be good for a pvp realm, not too familiar with those. Probably more suitable for players who have lots of time to play. Also, where the fuck are TBC ERA servers? How about that realm manager pro gets those up and running, might appease some people!
Ugh, people will complain no matter what. Wow community is so whiny about ever damn thing.
Personally I enjoy large pop servers but I find this very deceiving. I am on crusader strike but was gonna make a char on CB and found out I could not and was definitely thrown off. Classic blizzard keeping them selfs in priority for future decisions.
As someone who has GM’d private servers over the years, I can tell you that the cost to maintain one individual public player server is much cheaper than you’d think.
I wasn't a big fan of the choice. My guild started on Crusader and left for Chaos because of the streamer take over and how toxic many of the streamer fan boys get. I feel like phase 3 was going to pop off and bring a lot of people back, but apparently blizzard didn't want to take the chance. Also the speed at which people took the transfer isn't a valid argument. My guild in particular took it because we didn't want to get stuck with a now forced dead server, nor coming into p3 late on a new server. We and probably like many others felt it made sense that if CB was going to die we better get everyone transferred quick and early as to not have issues come next phase in getting everything off the starting line.
The only caveat I have is that it certainly was a pain in the ass come one month in to find groups for dungeons when leveling alts on Chaos Bolt. This isn't going to ruin my experience, but I feel like this was a premature decision by sod blizzard.
There's more people that are unhappy than happy. Get rid of the server.
I personally played chaos bolt as soon as i saw there was a massive queue on crusader strike first week as did my guild migrate over. Personally I don't really agree that everyone who chose the server decided that they wanted to play the "small server" it was just picking another cool name when they didnt want the server with queues most of the time and the average player won't know what the population of server is like until they've already dedicated an amount of time that they will not want to just throw away.
I'll say the general instant queue without worrying about servers in games has definitely shifted the average players appetite for looking for groups in games. I know i definitely got tired of looking for groups because whenever throughout any phase wanted to do some out of the way dungeon to try and get some quests done for small upgrades it felt impossible to do unless i was able to log on right at peak time, but even then peak time is when everyone hops on for raid not for dungeons. I'm not a very social player so I honestly dont know too many random players so a portion of the small server appeal is lost on me. The seeing random people I chatted to once in a while does not make up for the hours of time I lose looking for groups that dont pan out then leave me to just log off without playing at all.
I think for anyone who isn't able to really play at peak times like I do on the server will likely enjoy transferring over, but a lack of people at non-peak times just leads to more people congregating to only playing at peak times leading to a cycle of the server being packed for 2-3 hours then dead the rest of the time. Those that do only play at peak times and see a relatively healthy population though will understandably be furious at losing that community.
If they arent deleting the server then whats the issue? Is it just that chaos bolters dont want people to leave the server - if thats the case its a skill issue, blizzard offering free transfers should have 0 effect on these guys if they loved the server so much
I have no idea of US server but Chaos bolt is quite a large server compared to KR servers.. PvE KR server has population of alliance and horde included at total about 200 or less .. but i don’t it’ll ever be erased 😂
I took a few week break came back and transfers are already shut down so now i pretty much have to start a new toon on a new server or I need to quit playing sod.
Shirt was iirc an undead warlock on skyfury
Skyfury died, lot of people were anti server merge / transfers. Server mega died in p3 wrath. To the point that content wasn’t cleared and only 1 item was on the auction house in p4.
Blizzard here is right if this follows the same trend skyfury did
I played on CB. Couldn't find people after transfer they got to change names. Also very hardcore on CS, bad for people who just like community and nice playing chill with others, which it was on p1 fex.yes it was fewer people which was not good. Both are problems. But maybe should've gotten several choices to transfer to and more time.
There is huge exp bonuses currently applied and new ones incoming.... why do people care about a seasonal server which thwie character will be gone quicker than you think.
just scan the latest chat logs for strings like "server" "servertransfer" etc.
Can’t they just let players transfer to a dead server for free if that’s what they want?
Blizzard can obviously see the subs on dead servers quit the game faster then those who are on high pop servers.
They also don’t want any more casuals signing up on that server because they know they will struggle to find groups etc
Why do idiots even look at raid logs to judge the current population? I was raiding with 4 toons phase one but in phase two I have only focused on 1. Duh. Gnomer isnt EZ, and that is what the logs reflect.
I took a grey parse priest in my last Gnomer run and il never do it again. He barely healed, died on every boss and just abused most of us in chat and then quit before the last boss.
Taking one clown can ruin the circus for everyone
@@RichSmithson I am talking about population, it makes sense to use it for other metrics.
just allow the free transfers off to other servers, and free transfers to the server and see how it goes, or maybe lock the transfers too the server
Chaos bolt had an event afterwards protesting. All 30 showed up
I mean I don’t feel bad for the rpers at the end of the day they do some weird stuff in goldshire inn
SO PISSED
if they did this to lonewolf i would be fucking pissed lololl....... probably just quit the game and go back to runescape
Blizz did the right thing, they respond because the SOD team listen and respond.
Blizzard does server merges all the time. You hardly notice anything, except for more people playing in your server. Getting angry about this is dumb as hell.
Wait, my bad, are they scuttling the server or merging it? Because those are two very different things
@@TangoCharlieWhiskey96 They are killing it. Locked character creation
Lava Lash rp pve horde is chill af
L take this guy doesn't see the bigger picture
we are?
I have 5 characters on Lone Wolf (horde) and I created an alliance on Chaos Bolt in p1, dinged 25 and noticed the server was 4 times less populated. When you search for a group of BFD there were like 3-4 groups, and most of the people were first timer or ppl who don't talk English at all. Basically a depressing realm of people with "this is just a game" mindset. I stopped playing with my alliance character there after a day when I decided to form my own BFD group. I was spamming in all channels that the run is 2x SR and that WB was preferable. I filled the group 1 and a half hour later with people who asked me "what is SR?" and "what is WB? where to get it from?". I felt like the server was trolling me.
staysafe 100% correct
Project Epoch comes out Friday, it’s a Vanilla+ private server that’s been in development for over 5 years. It’s going to be huge.
That ud wlock is based
My first character was on Chaos Bolt on horde side, it was a miserable existence on there. Not surprised at all of its closing, I switched servers and continued to run BFD on chaos bolt until P2 launched haven’t touched him since
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Free server transfer is the only answer that makes sense. You obviously weren't on a classic server that died and the only way off was to pay transfer. Charging people to leave a dying server is the worst. Especially when you have several characters.
nice video
It was dying
I think they make a valid point and I don't think it's fair to read the most negative motives into a team that seems to care about the game and player experience.
I realize the WoW community doesn't really do this often, but I think taking a charitable interpretation of what's being said is fair. Doesn't mean you need to agree with them, of course. I'm just saying that suggesting it's about server costs is unfair.
Look, I play on CB. The pop for raiding was okay at best. You HAVE to be in a guild. As for leveling dungeons... it requires a guild. WHICH IS FINE!! just making an observation. Now as for the economy.. it sucked... like 10k-12k items on the AH most of the time useless shit no one needs, good luck leveling profs thru the AH. CB was dying on the horde side at least, alli was higher pop and probably had an easier time overall. I wanted to roll CS but all my buddies rolled CB and now only 1 of them still plays lol.. so I am all for CB dying and moving to CS.
Imagine being upset about this people have no lives
imagine being upset about the product you're currently paying for monthly. Wild, I know
@@themingler441 it's a server and they aren't losing their accounts
@@no0bbbb Right, but they chose CB for a reason and they've invested time and money to make it work. I dunno why you're surprised people are upset when Blizzard randomly pulls the plug
@@themingler441 they've invested time and money and still have all their characters their just going to a new realm with the same players except there will be 'other' players there. If u identify yourself with a server u need to get a life fr
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I feel like a lot of the "closely knit" community argument doesnt hold up very well because unless that player is doing something thats well known, you wont normally remember or recognize enough people on a server to warrant that feeling. I rather play an MMO wheres there's so many people playing and places feel packed and you have more groups to do content than a small server where its harder to find groups to do specific content.
It's packed but you can't name a soul around you.
@@themingler441 like do people actually care about that though? Just like in real life you dont know every single person you come across but the relationships you wind up making those are the ones that matter in the end.
For MMOs its imperative that the game has as big of a population as it can so that the game world feels alive as well as filling up queues to do content. And because this is classic WoW were talking about where you HAVE to socially interact to form a group the people you interact still matters.
I have a lot of memories of people and guilds and stories from my Vanilla server 20 years ago. In fact, I've talked to some of these people since and they remember me too. This was a great experience and worth spending my real life time with.
I have a lot of memories of people and guilds and stories from my Classic server 5 years ago, things that I will remember in 15 years too. This was a great experience and worth spending my real life time with. I still talk to a lot of the people I met through this server.
Both of these servers had less than a 5k pop.
These experiences with others are why I play MMOs. Personally.
While some people care more about their own characters and getting fast groups, I find this to be a really shallow and bland reason to play an MMORPG, and if it just comes down to being all about that then real life has far more fun things to focus on.
So while it's ok that that's why you play, it's not why everyone does.
The devs support your viewpoint though. So that's a win for you there.
That's your right but Blizzard decided for them.
Ah the classic andies are mad again. Nerf warriors?