Mini PC's are getting CRAZY GOOD!!! UM780 XTX Review (Minisforum)
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- Опубліковано 23 лип 2024
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The Minisforum UM780 XTX packs quite a punch with the Radeon 780M GPU and Ryzen 7840HS CPU. It also comes with some unique features like an RGB top panel with customizable design, and an OCulink port for exceptional eGPU performance. This mini PC can easily handle any day to day office or school tasks. So I'm going to test how well it can game. Even trying the latest AAA GPU killers like Alan Wake 2!
Source with testing of the OCulink eGPU connection:
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Chapters:
0:00 I really like mini PCs!
0:33 Minisforum UM780XTX specs
0:56 Two things stood out when I opened the box: 1. OCulink
1:35 2. Tiger RGB!!!
2:25 Yes this crushes normal desktop applications
2:35 Mic set where you can hear fan noise while I do gaming testing
3:04 But can it play Baldur's Gate 3's demanding Act 3?
7:16 But can it run Alan Wake 2?!? Playing with settings to make it work
10:35 We can hit 30 FPS in Alan Wake 2! (1080p Low, FSR2 Perf)
11:40 Wifi seems fast
12:12 A more appropriate type of game: Hades
13:20 But can it play Starfield? Playing with settings
15:55 But can it play Cyberpunk Phantom Liberty?
17:27 Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3 runs great!
18:47 Final Thoughts: This is a great mini PC! But make sure you want a mini PC! - Наука та технологія
The oculink port is the killer feature here, very upgradable and very portable.
Facts,thats why i bought it and can’t wait to get it in 1 to 2 Weeks 🤞🏾
Other than Daniel's informative content, i really enjoy his enthusiasm. You can tell the guy is really passionate about tech
get that sponsor money, king 👑
He won't cause people keep using ad block, sponsor block and and shitb like that
@@yellowflash511????
If a video is sponsored the channel is directly paid by said sponsor.
This has nothing to do with YT ads or blockers.
To be clear, this video is not sponsored. They sent the review sample, but there is no money being paid for this video, and these are my honest thoughts with no influence from Minisforum. They did not even see the video before it was posted. This is an important distinction.
@@danielowentech oh ok, thanks for the clarification!
He would not have shown Alan Wake if it was sponsored content
I bought the barebone version of a 790 PRO few months ago and I really love it. It's equipped with two WD_SN850X of 2TB each and 2x16GB Crucial RAM modules. It's really a beast emulation machine.
I only run Batocera on it, and it emulates PS3 WiiU and Switch games really really good.
Would be great to see a performance comparison between the 780 XTX and the 790pro.
Thank you for the video.
Hi David. Do you know if an external HDD via USB 3 would perform as well for Emulation? I really would like to get a mini PC, but emulate via a 8TB external HDD with mayby RetroBat and all the roms on it. It's cheaper and I don't think 2 or 4TB will be sufficient for me.
Hi @@lenniskovgaard8278 sorry for the late reply.
Actually, after my original post, I bough a WD Black P10 5TB HDD, because I was running out of space. It's now connected to one of the rear USB A ports.
I tell you my experience:
Although the P10 is a good drive, and it spins at 7200RPM, it's still a mechanical HDD and the difference between it and the nvme drives is huge in both reading and writing.
That being said: you won't really see any difference when it comes to emulation, BUT... I didn't test it with the following emulators: all Switch emulators, PS3, Xbox360, Wiiu, and even PSVita. Keep in mind that some of the games of the mentioned systems can be even 20GB big, and the read speed of a mechanical HDD is pretty slow (compared to nowadays SDDs) even if it's a high-end HDD. Even though the emulator "caches" the game (or part of it) in memory, it has to read that part of the game data while booting it in order to dump it in memory, which could be slow.
Another thing that I've noticed is that, since there's is huge difference in read speeds, the UI began to be a bit lagged. That was because a big part of the scraped images, icons, videos, etc (which are a lot) were in the HDD. The time spent by the mechanical disk to read all these files causes a pretty noticeable difference, i.e.: accessing some UI elements for the first time was a bit slow and the transitions were not as smooth as they were before, when all the data was in the SSD (once all the scrape elements were in memory, the transitions were smooth).
I don't know how retrobat works, but in Batocera you can force the system to cache all (or at least most of the) UI elements in memory while booting (which increases boot time), this way you can get rid of some of the lag while navigating through the UI for the first time.
That's what I ended up doing: all the games from the last generations of consoles in the SSDs, the operating system obviously in the SSDs as well (although I believe that, in Batocera, the entire OS it's dumped into memory at boot, but anyway reading the required files while booting is much more faster), all the scraped elements (images, logos, icons, videos,...) in the SSDs (even the xml files with games list). The rest of the games in the HDD. With this approach everything works smooth and fast. The only thing
is that the boot time is a bit longer than it was with only the SSDs (not too much, just a few seconds). That's because, even all the elements (but the mentioned games) are in the SSD, the system still has to go through every single folder looking for games in order to update the game list, and a lot of those folders are in the HDD.
From my experience, I won't buy an HDD again, even a high-end HDD. If I have to buy another storage device in the future, I will go for a SATA3 SSD with an external case, or any external SSD from a recognized brand when I find a worth deal.
How does it do in heavy gaming sessions like 4-5 hours?and what external cooler would you recommend?Would putting it on top of a laptop cooler pad work?
Do you know the maximum supported display resolution via hdmi or usb4 on the integrated graphics?
I assume it supports 8k@60hz like the um790pro but I can’t find it officially stated anywhere.
Can this run 4k video with Dolby Atmos output? I have bought a mini pc for this reason but got disappointed as the performance was close but not where it suppose to be. Video freezing and audio not synced when on 4k, forced to play video on 1080 and without dolby atmos. I am open to upgrade if this hits the marks
can you try optimizing the pc and testing increased vram, increased power if possible and maybe attach an external gpu? overclocking, maybe?
Bg3 is an excellent choice to showcase the performance. Thank you!! Act 3 makes my 1050ti laptop struggle.
Nice review.
Can anyone tell me what the difference in cooling is between the PRO and the XTX?
After removing the case, the cooling looks the same.
The manufacturer promised improved cooling in the XTX.
What exactly is the network card there?
Does the case on the other side also open?
Hi, do network over Thunderbolt work on both USB4 ports on this one as it do not on the UM790 Pro?
Hey Daniel, I wonder if OCULINK is working under Linux? I can't find any infomation about this.
SFFPC is the way to go if you like to have small systems but want the traditional modularity of a PC.
This one is quite neat though with its oculink port, i hope that becomes more common on mini PCs and laptops.
At this performance, this type of unit is useless for me. If it was 4070 performance, then we would be speaking something else.
I have a 10L case that I can fit a 4090 and can still comfortably it fit inside a backpack.
@berkertaskiran ehh what 10L case fits a 4090 ?
@@lllongreen There is the KXRORS S400 which is about 10.5 L that can fit GPUs up to 335mm in length, 154mm in height and 65mm thick. There are a few 4090s that fit that criteria.
@@lllongreen FormD T1 and Fractal Terra.
@@lllongreen not 10, but 11L my Dan Case a4 h2o fits certain models of 4090.
I recently got myself the Minis Forum HX77G (RX6600m & Ryzen 7 7735HS), absolutely love it. Ive literally just finished playing Death Stranding DC on it. Amazing what we are starting to get in such a small form factor. Coming from consoles, it makes it a more console like experience for me.
Hi danielm. Do your hx77g get loud under full load? Minisforum has upgraded those systems to have rx6650m and I might get that.
@@viraltribe4566 I can sometimes hear the fan but I wouldn’t say it was loud. If your in game u shouldn’t hear it at all
Great out of the box review. I'm curious if you could play around with the BIOS and set some of the RAM to the iGPU. (Not sure, but I think it's a 32GB RAM, so maybe go up to 4GB, maybe 8GB of shared RAM and test again?) Just a thought. (Edit: There's also a 64GB version, great for work. 👏)
Looking at the minisforum sale right now. Um780 xtx and the UM690s for $351 seem to be great choices right now.
Can you confirm if the unit HDMI 2.1 is TDMS or FRL? Can it do 4K @ 120Hz over HDMI?
Daniel, what looks best in visual climate, the attractiveness of the graphic design, level of details, structures and textures, RT implementation included: Pague Tale: Requiem, Cyberpunk 2077 or Alan Wake 2?
IMO Alan Wake by far looks the best. I wasn't impressed playing Cyberpunk with path tracing but Alan Wake is incredible.
If you have a Apple tablet air 2019 to cover internet need’s would it make more sense to just get a ps5?
@Daniel Owen Does it come with tons of retro consoles/games? 🎮
Would be curious to see this up against a similar priced pre-built
Edit: I know it will lose but I’m more curious the trade offs you’re getting for going to mini/portable vs what a super budget desktop would provide.
This should lose simply because it's using laptop parts.
But it also fills an entirely different niche. It's a bit like wanting to compare a laptop to a similar priced pre-built - different prices, different use cases.
@@MrMartinSchouI get it but someone could also make the decision whether they want something maybe more portable/roomy vs a standalone desktop
@@MrMartinSchou It probably would beat some similarly priced pre-builts, if only because there's always some horrible pre-builts that don't get their prices appropriately discounted in a timely manner, and some pre-builts are just poorly configured and/or horribly priced to begin with.
Whole video is just a sponsorship. A minipc IS NOT a Steamdeck. The steamdeck uses its power for Actually Being Mobile and it has the small screen in which the graphics do look decent, I don't want some f trash garbage pc on a 24 inch monitor for no reason, people, be careful, he is selling donuts and snake oil !!!!!
Just find out that the iGPU on those AMD Mobile CPU is better than the one in desktop CPU
I love how cute and portable mini pcs are. Have been watching them but I don't own one.
By Christmas we will have these optimized with a Mini touch screen like the AtomMan X7 Ti and the price war will get them to around 500 with 32/1TB config.
What the 4k monitor you’re using while playing baldur gate?
wow didnt expect this good of a Alan Wake 2 performance. really crazy for such a demanding game. curious how good APUs will be in like 2-4 years. for myself i would never buy one bc i obv prefer a dedicated GPU but man especially for handhelds and portable pc setups, this stuff could be getting really interesting. frankly it already is interesting
I think for the 1080p market it'll be huge. I've been pushing for the store I work at to sell more PCs around that $500 range (currently started @ $1k) and I wonder if these APUs can help make this more of a reality.
I honestly think the handheld market is going to see incredible gains in performance within the next 5-7 years.
U can put egpu on oculink but that would cost like more than 1100 together with like rtx 4060
Wish the ones with 6600m gpu were in stock. If you could get you hands on the arc 730 or 6600m models that would be great. Maybe also compare with the IRIS XE based ones.
Love the idea of a mini PC maybe one day in my dream world when I have disposable income I can build a cool itx tower or get a mini tower for travel
What is the um780 xtx's 780m igpu maximum TGP??
please do more mini pc review
I had the opportunity to try out the new Steam Link app that just launched on the Meta store last night - Half Life: Alyx is now playable at what I consider an acceptable/playable framerate using the UM780 XTX, WITHOUT an external GPU! I haven't checked exact frame rates yet, but here is the test setup I used (note that I haven't had much time to do additional testing yet):
UM780 XTX
64GB RAM
BIOS Performance Mode (70 Watts)
BIOS UMA Frame Buffer Size 16GB
Wired USB-C connection
Win11 Pro
Meta Quest 3
72Hz Refresh Rate
Low Graphics settings
WOW I have been hoping someone would telle when they found a solution for PCVR from Mini PC to Quest 3. I really wan't a mini pc for Emulaiton...and for PCVR to my Quest headset. I don't have high demands for perfect graphics in PCVR, but just the opportinity for a little shooting and especially racing :-). I also read someone say that STARWARS SQUADRON should be an epic game. Maybe that can play also?? THANKS..and please share more info if you would like as you learn more. I am a rookie with all this, but very curious
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Hey Daniel, didn't realize you were a mini PC enthusiast, I've been recently becoming one (last month really, lol). So with the release of the 8600g and 8700g, I've been wondering if I'd be better off getting something like this pre-built or going the 8700g route. I didn't know about the 7840HS until I started researching SFF PC's and hearing about the 8600 and 8700 apu's. I know those are desktop parts vs the 7840HS which is a mobile part, but since the HS is running in a desktop formfactor, it seems like the wattage is close to the same. I was even considering building a passively cooled 8700g system, but the price and the build quality seem hard to beat here with the Minisforum mini-pc. I'm taking a year or two away from gaming, and I've been taking an "underpowered" approach to gaming the last couple of years anyway (I have an i3-10100F with a 6400XT). I mainly played AC Valhalla with some aggressive FSR and absolutely loved it. In any case, I'm retiring from gaming for a couple of years, but I still want to have the option. Also, the passmark on both the 7840HS and the 8600g and 8700g eclipse my current i3 by a mile. I produce music and I'm a software developer. I can't justify the full tower that's taking up considerable real estate in my bedroom. From what I can tell, aside of the higher wattage, the 8600g and 8700g also have a neural processing unit, wondering if it's worth the premium over the Minisforum. I almost feel like we'll see an 8700g based variant of Minisforum mini-pc in the near future. Not sure what I'm asking really, but would love your thoughts if you have any, thanks!
Be nice to see how well this runs (how many FPS) Tanki MMO with Opera Gx or Google Chrome browser.
Its too bad that these minipcs would have a better like PCIe 4.0 (x16) connection for external GPUS, and be more inexpensive.
I just bought a UM480 XT for 259 €. It only has a Ryzen 7 4800H and 16 Gigabyte RAM, but it is meant for my parents office, E-mailing and browsing needs and will do the job without any issues. The fan curve in the BIOS was pretty aggressive and the options were labelled in a way, someone without much knowledge won't understand much, but I will solve any issues with other software and tune the fan curve this way. Linux Mint will be the OS and the parents are going to be happy. The old machine is from 2006 and makes all kinds of noises and runs old Ubuntu.
This igpu on a desktop platform should be more than usable for both gaming and 4k video editing
I've been waiting for this to come out. I was really hoping they would go with the same processor that's in the UM790 pro. It has the 9 7940HS. I originally was going to buy the oculink M.2 adapter and use it with the UM790 pro but They announced this PC would be coming but didnt give any specs. So I held off to see what it would be. A setup like this is perfect because I drive a tractor trailer and really want to get into PC gaming during my downtime. I considered building a small form factor PC which would be doable but a mini PC with an external GPU is perfect due to space limitations. But I may just go with the UM790 pro and do the oculink myself.
7940hs is alot more cost for very little perf difference.
There is also a UM790 XTX announced that is exepected to be released very soon. That will probably hold the same processor as the UM790 but at 70W, the same as they did with the UM780 XTX. But the difference is very small either way between the 7840HS and the 7940HS it's just a couple of percents difference in performance.
@@edwin-janssen Do you have any link for this announcement please? Remember they initially announced UM790XTX in August 2023 but went ahead and changed it to UM780XTX due to scarcity of 7940HS. If they really release UM790XTX, that will be a very smart move on their part and it will be an instant buy for me.
@@cutesammienope, never knew about what you told me so I guess I am wrong then.
Glad I didn’t wait then. 😂
Very happy with my UM780 XTX all the power I need for the next 5 years. Running Proxmox like a champ that’s for sure.
@@edwin-janssen I appreciate that you replied. Enjoy your little monster mate 🙂👍🏾
You should have maxed out the power settings & unlashed the full potential of the device.
The emphasis on "and are still **excellent games**, i might add" for Hades made me smile. Game is absolutely worth every penny, even if you double dip for the Switch version for on-the-go play (if, y'know, you don't have a steam deck).
This is an impressively beefy mini PC for sure and I'm curious how it would work for some beefier emulation stuff as well! That'd be the ideal secondary use case for something like this gaming-wise.
I will order one and replace my old big computer. Going for the Barbone and get a fast 2TB SSD, Kingston Fury and 32Gb DDR5 RAM. Will use it for some video editing and normal desktop work.
It still running? Issues?
So, what is the closest equivalent discrete GPU in terms of performance? Is it similar to an RX 5500 XT, but with all of the advantages that come with the newer architecture? Or is it faster?
The 780M (as tested in the video) is between 1/2 and 2/3 the performance of a RX 5500 XT, depending on game. It's about equivalent to a 1050 Ti. It's amazing because it is that powerful in spite of being an iGPU, but it nevertheless is still an iGPU, so curb your expectations. That being said, building a solid computer around this when it releases for desktop (the 8700G seems to be launching in January) will give you something you can game on without a discrete GPU, if your budget doesn't reach all the way to where you want to eventually land, or if you're waiting for the next generation of GPUs to release.
@@c99kfm The 8700G will have essentially the same GPU core as the APUS with 780M (and sadly only the top 8700G APU also has the top of the line GPU it seems), though possibly with higher core and ram clocks and power limits than what's in the mobile APUs so it may be able to go a little faster. Think we'll really have to wait for the next generation to see any anything that can surpass a cheap previous gen discrete GPU.
@@olnnn I suspect you're a bit optimistic, there - I think AMD might be making sure APUs never surpass their previous gen discrete GPUs, in order to be able to off-load those.
The only reason they might, is if Intel iGPUs became more powerful than AMD APUs. With Intel moving into the dGPU business, I think they are likewise lacking in incentives to surpass their own last-gen dGPUs.
@@c99kfm Oh I just meant it as in we won't see it in this generation. I don't know if the reason we're not seeing it is due to them not wanting to go there for some intentional marked reason or if it's more that it's not feasible for a reasonable cost to make something akin to the console APUs work well on a desktop platform. I suspect it's more of the latter as I think there would be a significant marked for something like a 8500G with a RX6600 level iGPU in pre-build gaming pcs and laptops as that would drasticly reduce the cost compared to building them with discrete gpus but idk
Apple is showing that it's possible to make a SoC with a pretty beefy GPU at least.
@@c99kfm You may be right, but they could still sell a lot of discrete graphics cards to people who aren't in the market to upgrade their CPU, even if an APU was released only one generation later with equal graphics performance (such an APU would also be more expensive than what we're used to). A lot of people looking for low-end graphics cards won't even be on the right platform to be able to use the latest and greatest AMD APUs, and might not want to upgrade their entire platform.
Will this work well with Chaos Corona Render and 3ds max? Has anyone tried it?
I was just about to build a mini pc for the living room to run emulators for older games using a 5600G APU
But for the price, this is the better option! I bet it’s faster than the Zen 2 based APU and only $100 more than if I were to buy the parts and build it myself.
Definitely gonna think about this 😊
If you decide to build your own, don't get the 5600G, they're releasing the 8000G series APUs in January which will be very similar to the APU in the UM780 XTX.
@@c99kfm I’ve had a 5600G in my possession for like 8 months that’s just sitting there - which was the inspiration to build a mini pc.
Then I saw the headlines about the 8000 series and I got excited/decided to bin the 5600G project lol.
5600G is Zen 3 though. You're thinking of the 4600G
Still slower than this of course.
This thing cpu wise is much faster... Even handhelds like Rog Ally show performance similar to a 5800X or so.
@@thelegendaryklobb2879 yes, you’re right. I got things mixed up lol.
Fantastic!
i think this version of the MinisForum PC, you should be able to adjust the amount of shared memory for VRAM usage within the BIOS - past the 8GB mark!
Those things make great emulation devices. Everything up to ps3 xbox 360 and switch
Weren't we supposed to get RtX 3060 level APUs? With this phoenix point?
That would be 8000g APUs not this
@@yellowflash511 ohh, thanks.
Certified TAA "hater" here, love you Dan! Just needed to say TAA haters don't want TAA abolished nor do they care if others like it, they just want an off option in every game. That's why TAA haters only complain about games when its forced on them and not games like this. I have to point this out because the way you worded your statement sounded like you disliked those people and maybe that's because you got the impression they want to take away this option from you or force you to prefer no TAA, but we don't (I definitely don't).
Also note I personally dislike TAA because I have a motion sickness disability and 97% of TAA implementations cause me to feel ill, making a large percentage of games inaccessible to me. As a gamer this is depressing to me, and since were PC players and not console users being able to tweak our settings should always be allowed, especially when it can be an accessibility feature like in this case. I sincerely hope this comment finds you well Dan. Best of luck!
Can this machine support multiple screens?
Yes 4 displays are supported: DP, HDMI and 2x USB4.
I love Daniels content but I really don’t care for the mini PC phase he’s going through, lol. I’ll still hit the like button for him.
This means in the future, we might just see a reboot of the Steam Console 🎉
Valve was asked recently about the general release of SteamOS. They state that they are working to bring it to other handheld first. This APU being the laptop brother of the Z1E should work as well.
Tom at MLID is promoting this too. It is certainly the best product in this market. I want one but id rather get a new GPU personally. Great review.
Baldurs Gate 3 test is significantly flawed because it's using DX11 instead of Vulkan. You're leaving performance on the table for the APU.
The 880M is going to rule I feel like. The 780M can run basically anything aside from the latest and greatest super well.
I'm using it with oculink eGPU + RX 7600 XT 16GB, best combo :)
This is running Baldur's gate nearly as well as my 3 years old Zephyrus G14 with a mobile 2060. I'm shocked, guess it's time I upgraded
Maybe. Prices will probably come down more again relatively soon. The RTX 4070 has been trending downward in price, with the cheapest sales going as low as around 520 or 530 so far, and the RX 7800 XT should potentially go lower than 500, but (in both cases) the quality of the exact model you're looking at should also be taken into consideration. Personally, I'm not a big fan of a lot of the cheapest models, but Sapphire seems to be a fairly safe bet even when it comes to their cheaper models.
Of course, these are already two of the best cards, so these two may not drop as much in price as some of the other ones out there. The 4070 ti Super and 4070 Super should help to push prices for current AMD and Nvidia cards down further, and some of those prices could go lower before any of the super models are released.
I have a Beelink Ser6 Max. It has a 7735HS, 1TB and 32GB. I also added a 4TB NVME drive for games and movies. I paid like $480 for it. I use it for a media pc/streamer for my home office TV. It's pretty cool but a step down from yours :)
I use minisforum hm80 as my server. 9W typical usage, tons of apps in docker and runs 24/7.
Hey Daniel, a bit off topic, but how do you still consistently find the motivation to do your workouts when you are working a full time job, doing youtube, and have a wife and young children ?
I only have a full time job and wife + kids but no extra job and I am STILL having trouble making it to my usual workouts lately.
I mostly do compound barbell lifts. Mostly quat, bench, deadlift, barbell rows, overhead press, chin ups. Which I can do at home since I bought a squat rack. So I can multitask at home between sets. That being said, my strength is certainly down since starting the YT channel. I used to bench 320lbs! Not so much anymore lol
Wouldn‘t it make more sense to set the game to 4K but turn up the FSR instead of only upscaling via FSR to 1080p and then letting the monitor upscale from 1080p to 4K?
Depends on the game
There is a large performance cost upscaling to 4k. 4K FSR performance (1080p internal) will run much worse than native 1080p. The games I was testing here don't really have room for that. Lighter games might be able to handle it.
I think FSR2 is just bad for iGPUs overall. Even at 1080p the cost is very high. Normally you'd more than double your performance at 50% resolution scale, and that's not what we see here.
I'd rather just use spatial upscaling. The best way would actually be integer scaling, games using TAA look really good with that, but I don't know if AMD supports it.
These type of pcs need slim egpus. I hope future of pc gaming can become more compact and energy efficient equivalent to gaming consoles
so this is like a laptop, without all the benefits of a laptop?
you need to go into the bios and allocate max ram 16gb for the gpu. ure only running at 2gb which is not doing the 780m any justice.
Amazing review, wished you tried installing external GPU and seeing if it's good or not
Someone has a whole video on it
Not trying to change the memory allocation in BIOS because this is out of the box sounds a bit silly. Nothing stopping you trying both ways. Especially if there is a chance, small as it is, to gain graphics performance.
You like motion blur and TAA? What's your opinion on DRM or stretched 4:3 to widescreen? Cool?
lol
About the full size desktop PC, let's also not forget the huge difference in power consumption. Outside the USA energy costs can be very serious.
Jokes aside, good video.
I mean hey, I agree with him, blurriness (caused by TAA, not by motion blur) is easier to digest than pixelation
@@mariozenarju6461 I grew up with plenty of low resolutions in my life, I rather have crispy pixels than Vaseline in my eyes. But that's me.
@@TrusteftTech I grew up playing 640x480 noAA too. But now we have TAA, so I don't have to see pixelation anymore.
Windows 11 Home or Pro? Their site is nonspecific.
Home
Second hand laptop or handheld pc gonna be ur better friend. Beelink is a nicer one too just because those are always on sale. Maybe they should start making handheld pcs like rog ally or lenovo go with more ram like 24gb so you can do more with it docked.
id like to see you try this again with 32Gb of 5600mghz RAM and 8Gb allocated to GPU and tweak power profiles and overclocks for cpu and gpu maybe even under volting?
It's not just mini PC's that are getting crazy, rumours are buzzing AMD might release new AM4 Zen 3 X3D chips. I wonder if that has something to do with the fact Zen 4 sales are woeful, globally and AM4 is outselling Zen 4?
The markup from a barebones to a 1tb/32gb minisforum really puts into perspective the abuse Apple hands out for every little upgrade.
Dancing on the ceilennnnn
It’s crazy you have time to do UA-cam videos and be head coach of the LA Chargers
Mini PC-s got maxi prices and you still need screen,keyboards, mouse, speakers and when you count all that you better buy pretty fine gaming laptop
Impressive performance for an APU. Alan Wake 2 is playable, even if at low settings, at 30 fps! We are talking about the best graphic game ever seen. Incredible...
You should have a look at ones of these paired with the GPD G1 to take advantage of the oculink port, it will be a lot more powerful and still very portable setup
Looks like the age of 1080p discrete graficcards will be over when the next generation RX8000 and RTX5000 series will launch.
Hopefully that will pull down the price if you can get the same or better performance when using a higher end APU that is also cheaper than a basic CPU + GPU
Lmao no, these things aint even close to good 1080p horsepower yet, that's 2070, 3060 level (and these gpus are beginning to struggle at 1080...)
@@garrusvakarian8709 3060 is virtually as fast as 1080 ti, difference is like 5%.
This one is set to 3gb in the bios. 8gb will help big time.
Not a fan of the fps/shutter speed of this one, Daniel.
I'm looking at getting a Mini PC for my uncle. The only games he plays is chess and solitaire on the computer, so he has absolutely no requirement for a discreet GPU. All he really does is check emails, write up documents and browse the internet - so a Mini PC is the perfect solution for him, especially with his desk space being so limited. Really unless you game, edit videos or are involved in 3D work of any kind you don't really _need_ a discreet GPU - especially not the latest expensive models. Integrated graphics have gotten so good of late they can easily keep up with "regular" computing requirements and even some simpler games too. And all for less money than some motherboards or CPUs alone cost these days.
An interesting comparison would be to get ahold of the Minisforum 690S (6900HX CPU/680m iGPU) and run comparisons at different memory speeds against the 780XTX - the 690S lets you set DDR5 memory speeds up to 6000MT even though the AMD recommends only using 4800MT to maintain their battery life expectations on laptops, I believe, but using faster memory here should show an improvement - ETA Prime ran the 680 (non-S with its terrible cooling concepts) and saw a decent bump in performance from the faster memory, but then the thing started thermal throttling. Be very interesting to see the 690S with 32GB (at least) of 5600 and maybe 6000MT memory put up against the XTX to see how it does. Please?
As an avid TAA hater.... if I can't get 8x or 16x MSAA... Yeah.. a good TAA implementation is a better fallback than SDAA or FXAA.
Man, Hades is such a good game.
Check out the hx100g
Come on m3 max without any gpu reach 100++ fps in baldurs gate 3, its crazy
this would best be used for emulating ps2 games
"Lunch Break" 😂... yeah, that's the "only" "time" I'm "gaming"
DUDE! You REALLY want to spend all of $22 on an Oculink PCIe board for your GPU from Amazon, and then hook it all up with a PSU. Plug it all in and you have an absurdly cheap and substantially faster than Thunderbolt, eGPU setup.
Buy yourself an optional ‘proper’ enclosure, but whatever you’ll LOVE being able to game on the adequate iGPU ‘to go’, and then go monstrous by plugging in your chonking GPU, for Fun Times.
Get a portable monitor and you’re slaying windows handhelds - so long as you have a power socket. BOOM!!! 🤣
Smol, powerful, cheap. Pick two.
My only problem with mini's right now not from the major OEM's is QC. Minisforum seems to be the best of them and I know you are more likely to read about people having problems than not but it's worth keeping in mind as these get more popular. That said I have a couple mini's and they have been fine for the couple months I've had them. It will be interesting to see how this market shapes up with future offerings like Meteor Lake and Ryzen 8000 coming soon and with ARM as a serious contender in the near future.
Do us a favour and spec the unit you were sent - the maker, speed of the RAM, SSD etc -literally open it up and document what you were sent as a reviewer unit. Thanks.
Sadly, the igpus heavily rely on ram, which has much lower bus width. So the acture performance is not as good as benchmark score.
Not sure if your monitor is big enough bro. :D
Bro likes motion blur
Mean while the PS5 slim can get no where near this size.. Makes you wonder who they are hiring at Sony.
Mini PCs is where the industry is heading with ARM cpus at the core of them. Intel, Nvidia, and AMD are making ARM based CPUs.
Times have changed, 780M running better than the 1080ti 😢
780M is more like a 1050 Ti
TAA looks like crap in motion. It looks like pixels if you are lowering the resolution to much.
Daniel, if you indeed install this mini PC in your classroom, watch out for the kids playing CoD instead of learning math!
Modernwarfare 3 wins game of the year only for being the best optimized at launch date :D
I love mini pcs. Except for the price. For the same money i can do better. Basically you pay for small form factor. See what a steamdeck costs , and that includes a display. Sure by now the steamdeck hardware is outdated. But upon its release you could not buy a minipc with the same specs for the same price. While a steamdeck includes a screen, sticks. buttons. Etc. If mini pcs would be priced better i would want one. But i guess its expensive to produce them somehow?
AMD is working to make " IGP's " better then entry to mid tier discrete graphic cards.