Doctors Face Troubling Question: Are They Treating Coronavirus Correctly? | NYT News
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- Опубліковано 13 кві 2020
- Doctors say the coronavirus is challenging core tenets of medicine, leading some to abandon long-established ventilator protocols for certain patients. But other doctors warn this could be dangerous.
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Those doctors & nurses are incredible, I’m so worried for their mental health, if any of you read this, we know you’re doing your best. ❤️
I'm in tears, listening to these heroes.
@@karasing3340 Respiratory Therapists!
@Kara Sing
It doesn’t sound like you’ve been in an ICU before... praying for all doctors and nurses right now 🙏
@@karasing3340 I don't think it should be a competition on appreciation though ...everyone is a hero in my mind...RT, MDs, Nurses, even the cleaners.... Both skilled and unskilled... Everyone deserves praise and admiration... They all put thier lives on the line...May the Good Lord protect them all and have MERCY....🙏🙏🙏
E M Hardcore Absolute Fact: I will now require gloves, face masks and disinfectant in future jobs from here on out for no less than 2 years!!!! I do NOT trust anyone I Statism or corrupt government anymore! I do not trust millionaires, billionaires or elitist families who are ALL pure evil!!!!
Hardcore Absolute Fact: I will now require gloves, face masks and disinfectant in future jobs from here on out for no less than 2 years!!!! I do NOT trust anyone I Statism or corrupt government anymore! I do not trust millionaires, billionaires or elitist families who are ALL pure evil!!!!
Hardcore Absolute Fact: I will now require gloves, face masks and disinfectant in future jobs from here on out for no less than 2 years!!!! I do NOT trust anyone I Statism or corrupt government anymore! I do not trust millionaires, billionaires or elitist families who are ALL pure evil!!!!
A women in Italy was dying from Covid..He family came to say goodbye..Husband asked if anything else could be done..Doctor said I'm gonna turn her on her stomach but her heart could stop..Family said do it she's dying...They turned her and she started to get better..So they continued to turn her to get pressure off her lungs...12 days later she was released and is doing fine.
Unbelievably good people. Every last person in this video
"I'm arguing for evidence-based medicine..." You're asking for trials. It doesn't take an MD to understand that you have to practice some FIELD HOSPITAL medicine because you've never seen this crap before. Your insistence on clinical trials to support the decision to treat a patient outside of conventional norms is insane. While you insist upon peer-reviewed double blind studies to support a treatment, docs like Vladimir Zelenko are saving hundreds of lives by intervening early with a protocol that doesn't need to wait on peer review.
Take a look at HBOT. Give HBOT "off label" if necessary. It works for CV hbot.com/using-hyperbaric-oxygen-therapy-for-coronavirus-lung-infection-the-time-for-more-hbot-treatment-and-studies-is-now/
Amazing the thought process that the medical field is stuck in, isn’t it?
Doctors asking questions, thank you. Together will overcome this. Asking questions is the first step. You are my heros. Stay strong, be save!
@Sweet Awe FRIGHTENING! We are not being made aware of this (average news watcher). President says all is well daily, ready to open up next week. SCARY!!!
"On Wednesday Dr. Dan Erickson and Dr. Artin Massihi, who own seven Accelerated Urgent Care facilities in Kern County, Calif., gave a press conference to local media. They extrapolated from their own COVID-19 data, along with data sets nationwide and globally. Using this data, their own medical knowledge and information gathered from conversations with their colleagues around the country, they presented a compelling case, which included unreported health risks related to sheltering in place, for ending the severe shutdowns."
pjmedia.com/trending/watch-california-docs-say-lockdown-vs-non-lockdown-did-not-produce-a-statistically-different-number-of-deaths/
my understanding there is NO VIRUS, see Dr.Kaufman and others researching the raw data, at least none isolated therefore no effective testing for a virus. something is causing low O2 levels in blood and someone knows exactly what it is. these doctors are the heros we need, looking outside protocol to save lives
When does Season 2 of 2020 begin?, I do not like Season 1.
2020 SEASON 2, METEOR INCOMING, WILL HUMANITY SURVIVE THIS?
Kiwi NZ Next year when it is 2021.
Good joke, bad timing. But definitely let me thinking what else... what if... and then i stopped thinking about it.
Single season only
If season 1 is bad the network will just cancel the show.
Don't the hospitals get higher payouts for ventilating a patient over there in the US?
Hey, looky here!! It´s one of those bulgy eyed crazy people! And called "The Critical Thinking Channel" no less! What an oxymoron!! You haven´t been critical thinking since you were born, dude! In fact, it is a medical conundrum how you manage to go through life without a brain! Maybe your Dr. Robert can explain it, eh?
@@Biden_is_demented if you're going to post something at least have the decency to formulate something intelligent to contribute or debate. Toxic insults are the lowest form of debate or discussion.
@Barbaraclifton yes they do! 13 thousand dollars for Medicare if you say a patient was admitted or died because of covid-19 and around 39 thousand dollars for ventilating a patient
@@tainadushime8097 its 13K and they must be on medicare.
3900...
You guys are the true heroes. Asking questions. Critical thinking. Take care.
Look up Dr. Andrew Kaufman. Dude made a presentation on the validity of Coronavirus and the inaccuracy of the test, concluding that the virus is actually not a virus at all, but EXOMES excreted by our own cells; Coronavirus looks IDENTICAL to exomes! Here's the presentation: ua-cam.com/video/Xr8Dy5mnYx8/v-deo.html
Thank you doctors and other healthcare workers, from all over the world, for your scarifices! We owe you big time.
JB Hardcore Absolute Fact: I will now require gloves, face masks and disinfectant in future jobs from here on out for no less than 2 years!!!! I do NOT trust anyone I Statism or corrupt government anymore! I do not trust millionaires, billionaires or elitist families who are ALL pure evil!!!!
Hardcore Absolute Fact: I will now require gloves, face masks and disinfectant in future jobs from here on out for no less than 2 years!!!! I do NOT trust anyone I Statism or corrupt government anymore! I do not trust millionaires, billionaires or elitist families who are ALL pure evil!!!!
Hardcore Absolute Fact: I will now require gloves, face masks and disinfectant in future jobs from here on out for no less than 2 years!!!! I do NOT trust anyone I Statism or corrupt government anymore! I do not trust millionaires, billionaires or elitist families who are ALL pure evil!!!!
All the ugly people love the face mask
Well, this inspires a tremendous amount of confidence... Certainly, the explicit goal of not, I repeat not, ending up in the hospital has been fortified.
Herman Esau
Trump just interviewed House Representative Karen Whitsett from Michigan with Lime Disease and COVID-19 that self treated at home with hydroxychloroquine and who reported she was better off not going to the hospital.
Yes, do not go to the hospital
Herman Esau....you're spot on ! Was thinking the same thing myself!
Yep. Try acupressure on yourself if you start feeling symptoms. It's what i did & i think it helped a lot.
@J Y why was it a mistake? im just curious btw. im not sure if i would to to the hospital if i get it, and its Pretty bad.
I personally would not want to be intubated. That's why I stay home. Blessings to all the doctors who are making decisions in very uncertain waters. The nurses and the doctors and all the front line people are the true Superheroes of 2020.
forget respirators, they need HBOT. Oxygen under pressure in chambers. Check it outhbot.com/using-hyperbaric-oxygen-therapy-for-coronavirus-lung-infection-the-time-for-more-hbot-treatment-and-studies-is-now/
@@NYCJuliette What do you think of this:
wikibious.com/erin-marie-olszewski/
www.brighteon.com/fbdff719-d265-4f52-9d8a-c92f5ab9f0ba
My mom died she had oxygen level of 90/ 95
@@Madmaxxxx1984 I'm so sorry Victor. It's hard to lose a parent thatway.
Alot of these health care professionals will be scarred for life after this.
Cheryl Smith I don’t know how they do it . They don’t show it though. I pray they all can do their job without getting ill.
Thank you ALL for being on the frontlines and for putting yourself in dangerous and risky situations for the sake of others. God bless you all
Hands down, y'all are AMAZE'N and the most dedicated and faithful people in the world 👩🍳🙏👨🍳 THANK YOU ALL 💙🙏💙
What would happen if these people were simply put on oxygen therapy where they are still doing the breathing themselves but have supplemented ovygen.
I wonder that too...or perhaps some sort of hyperbaric devices to treat this.
Graysen Blackwell they die
Latoya Leon u a doctor?
Oxygen therapy, according to what I've read from doctors across the country, is one of the first treatments for patients of covid-19. The problem is that the O2 saturation levels continue to remain low for some patients, which is why the next step is usually intubation on a ventilator. Some of the questions being asked by these doctors however is if the typical protocols, including pressure settings, are too much for the patients body to handle, which in turn could lead to damage of the lungs or death. It sounds easy to adjust on the fly, adjust settings per patient, but with so many patients doctors rely on established protocols to treat all patients the same (more or less) if they are dealing with the same disease. The biggest problem is that we don't know much about the virus or the disease and there is not much time to figure it out, especially as one doctor put it... By the people on the front lines caring for patients, it needs to be researchers and there needs to be clinical studies done. Time is of the essence. Pandemics have ravaged humanity before, and it is happening now. I pray that we have learned from past pandemics and will come together to defeat this, but so much of our world is so divided. So many countries looking to blame another country, cutting off trade including PPE supplies and medication and so much division within the United States.
@@johnlardas2637 you didn't need to be a doctor to understand what was being said. Also just because someone is not a doctor does not mean their information is incorrect. It's called knowlege with reasoning in thinking what facts you have,
I've heard that ECMO has been more effective than ventilation in some cases. Probably because it mainly focuses on oxygen saturation of the blood, while simultaneously taking stress off of the heart and lungs, which are the organs most affected by this disease.
We r using that for critically ill patients as well as intubation in my country.
I was wondering that too but with problems they are having just getting ventilators and basic supplies they may not have enough resources. It seems ECMO may be underutilized even under normal conditions, so unfortunately I doubt it's being used for very many if any patients (I hope I am wrong about this) even if it could help.
ECMO is going to be in even more short supply than ventilators. A June 2019 article I found on the Net ( "Miracle medical machine ECMO makes heroic rescues, but leaves patients in limbo " USA Today Melissa BaileyKaiser Health News) says only 264 hospitals have ECMO machines. The sitation, I have read elsewhere in the UK is even worse, only 15 machines in the nation.
From what I am hearing from docs in NY the ventilators are in surplus. Can actually be sent to other regions as necessary.
It’s gotta be stressful trying to find a reliable treatment for a new disease while everyone else is playing armchair medical researcher.
Bryant Mitchell imagine how they feel! I’m scared for the doctors and nurses psychological health, it must be incredibly hard
What quality of life is it for someone to survive only to live the rest of their lives with main organ failure.
Ask your self what would you prefer for your own
self.
u got that from Cuomos armchair general quote
Must be stressful not being able to argue and appealing to the authority of some other people to make yourself look sophisticated
It’s not a new disease it’s existed more than 6 years ago
THESE ARE BRILLIANT PEOPLE. Working 24/7 to save people’s lives. I am so beyond grateful to these people. I appreciate you in this trying time. I appreciate your questioning and wondering. Thank you NYT for this form of journalism, we don’t want to see the hysteria, the clowning, etc. thank you.
These are brilliant doctors that do not understand this disease. Whoever created the coronavirus is still in the shadows. And whoever it was is also very brilliant. I would worry greatly because I believe that something much more powerful is coming. Most doctors understand the make up of DNA and cell binding and separating yet they do not understand what they are looking at. This makes me feel even more afraid. I have had a slight case of atypical pneumonia. I was so afraid and sick because I couldn't breathe, my throat was tight and I couldn't catch my breath. And this was just atypical pneumonia which could be treated with antibiotics. I did recover luckily. COVD19 sound much more complex. I am very afraid
I think this shows that many doctors are seeing things that aren’t making sense to them. Makes me think the pathology hasn’t been completely discovered yet. Can there be a problem with the RBCs not being able to carry the needed oxygen to the body’s cells and not just the pathology in the lungs?
Very apt observation, but we need studies on a war footing to understand this. I wish I was a doctor 😐
helmuttdvm Wouldn’t hyperbaric oxygen work? Oxygen dissolved directly into the blood plasma at pressure
YES....
So can a rapid diagnosis of either Type 'H' or Type 'L' lung distress be determined using ultrasound to know whether it's ARDS related and thus determine the treatment type? It seems as though some doctors might be sold on the idea of intubation as a default course of action? Whereas these doctors seem to be questioning all possible avenues of treatment protocols. Which is their job, so good on them for asking difficult questions.
It looked as if they were using lung xrays. I'm also interested in knowing what the quickest and most accurate way of verifying which kind of presentation there is of the lungs. I think the bureaucratic Dr. who accepts 30% living through intubation is being stubborn. He doesn't want to be sued and is being overly cynical. If it's possible to do better then we must.
@@trudycolborne2371 I agree. And of course, there's is a wide birth always at hand for improvement. Even among professionals.
Your too smart to be watching this video. This was made for the lay person to scare them.
@@yeahthatshouldwork If this video was made for you then why don't you understand the treatment issue that we're discussing? I'm not even in the medical field. I just like being well informed. Problems aren't solved until they're identified.
@@yeahthatshouldwork Looks like you are a Trump man lol..
I would have been gone crazy already if I were in their place, hats off to these people ❤🙇🙏 May God bless them.
These Doctors are practicing the art of Medicine. This virus is new, they need to have the time to find out what it`s all about. I know people are dying but, these guys are doing the best they can. They will find out about this virus and will save lives. Kudos to all doctors,nurses and all hospital employees.
I got my MA in medicine too 😐
If people never questioned and tried. So many discoveries would have never happened. Let them try. I'm sure people will volunteer
I am not a medical professional anymore but I do know Dr. Cameron Kyle Sidell was one of the most compassionate and caring doctors I had the honor of working along side. If this man says the way we treat covid needs to change, it needs to change.
To ALL Hospital Staff> Thank You for NOT Giving up👆🏻We Love all of Your hard, non selfish efforts!
I would like to see what the effect of proning is for at-home patients. I was sick with covid-like symptoms a month ago. It felt like but lungs were full that I couldn’t clear because I could only produce a dry cough. I had heard that the Chinese were proning patients and doing tai chi with them, and I decided to try a version of this. I would go on a slow walk for 30 minutes and then would lie down on my stomach for several hours. Even if I didn’t sleep, lying on my stomach (and sleeping on my stomach) seemed to help more than anything. I have asthma, and I think that lying on my stomach and forcing myself to do mild exercise (even though it hurt) made a great difference. I don’t know why this is not being recommended for patients with breathing difficulties/shortness of breath who are at home. It seems too simple and unsophisticated to be true. But lying on my stomach worked like magic.
It’s similar to the reasons why people with pneumonia have trouble breathing while laying o. Their back
pictures of intubated covid patients in the hospital do show them on their stomach
im blessed to hear good news for you..thank GOD!
ive been noticing my lungs hurt a little becuz a year ago i had PERICARDITIS PLEURAL effusions.. which took 9 months to heal but now that im.considered a high risk..i am using oxygen when my lungs feel low oxy is at 94...thats not bad..
i dont have covid..thank GOD.
but i keepin watchful prayers over me..
BLESSING to our nation to heal fast..
Sorry for noob question, but what's special about lying on the stomach?
Thank you for sharing your ideas and steps to better healing! Best wishes to you and your family
God Bless you. I'm so sorry that you have to go through this.
I would have cook a real meal for this doctor and many doctors...they really deserve to eat better and rest better when they can.
This is some really scary stuff !!!
Some here is very suspicion ..
Yes. It really is.
Watching this makes it feel like I can't breathe.
Casey Schubert same and anxiety 🥺
Hypnotism is scary, isn't it? If this makes you feel like you cant breath, imagine power that is wielded over you. Has anyone ever considered that the moment some even slightly controls your consciousness you are basically enslaved? What are you if not a rat on a rat wheel with no free will, buying and aquiring more distractions and meaningless objects.. Like a moth.. Lulled over and over into the electrified light. Wake up people. Free yourself. Gnosis is the Key
Stay with us Casey ua-cam.com/video/Ol0bQuSd5oo/v-deo.html
Casey Schubert best not to give in to fear keep your amune system up as ur emotions and frequencies have effects on others
Casey Schubert keep boosting your immune system drink lots of water clean hands n workout
Im in Uk. We are getting smashed by the virus. I never been so grateful to our health workers! And your health workers. And all health workers. Thank you.
Maybe the disease is inhibiting the hemoglobin's ability to attach and transport O2
Robert Judge hmm I wonder if EMF could have anything to do with it? Just wondering...
Robert Judge I hope they are looking into that.
@@michaelng1008 Nah it's aliens. Or Obama.
5G?
@ALPHA GRRRL Maybe....
I am a former nurse. I would not want to be placed on a ventilator. Give me oxygen and whatever happens happens.
Ithaca Comments Hardcore Absolute Fact: I will now require gloves, face masks and disinfectant in future jobs from here on out for no less than 2 years!!!! I do NOT trust anyone I Statism or corrupt government anymore! I do not trust millionaires, billionaires or elitist families who are ALL pure evil!!!!
Hardcore Absolute Fact: I will now require gloves, face masks and disinfectant in future jobs from here on out for no less than 2 years!!!! I do NOT trust anyone I Statism or corrupt government anymore! I do not trust millionaires, billionaires or elitist families who are ALL pure evil!!!!
Hardcore Absolute Fact: I will now require gloves, face masks and disinfectant in future jobs from here on out for no less than 2 years!!!! I do NOT trust anyone I Statism or corrupt government anymore! I do not trust millionaires, billionaires or elitist families who are ALL pure evil!!!!
Im with you there. No reason to suddenly intubate a patient, unless they are on the edge of tiring out
HBOT. Yes oxygen under pressure in a chamber, it's painless & effectivehbot.com/using-hyperbaric-oxygen-therapy-for-coronavirus-lung-infection-the-time-for-more-hbot-treatment-and-studies-is-now/
After this coronavirus passes in a year or two, I expect to see a lot of changes in the medical and political sectors, especially welfare payments and healthcare prices in America. I cannot see how America with its privatised health system and its minimum wage can continue to exist as is.
It will almost certainly continue to exist. There is just too much money and power in the health insurance industry to politically give an inch.
Millions of people have lost their jobs and health insurance, in the middle of a global pandemic.
Government checks stop flowing, there will be riots.
Undo Citizens' United and admit that corporations really aren't people after all? Fat chance (I hope I'm wrong). After all, that would show how stupid the majority of our Supreme Court was in 2010.
Big Pharma
People forget so easily after a pandemic. It’s called pandemic amnesia. Nothing changes because it gets wiped from everyone’s memory. We’ve had many pandemics that haven’t been brought up once.
Imagine how crazy this whole situation will get when it mutates even more and there are even more types that need different forms of treatment.
"It's like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole."
Could it be possible that categorizing the patient as positive for the coronavirus after a test and using that as a determining factor in diagnosis and treatment be a contributing factor to the confusion?
What if the coronavirus test result would be set aside - keep it out of the picture - and diagnosis and treatment for a patient proceed as it normally would? Would that make a difference?
Could the coronavirus be the virus in the way a patient is diagnosed and treated?
Adam Blue They're treating what they find ,, O2 level etc.
The depth of commitment to providing the best possible treatment to their patients is awesome! It has been a long standing discussion in Medical treatment that one treatment does not fit all.
I applaud the courage of these doctors for looking closer at the prescribed treatment protocols. Because of their commitment we will provide a more diversified set of protocols to treat COVID 19.
WonderMagician awesome is one way to put it, more like necessary and not having a choice.
Medicare to hospital's... If you have COV 19 admissions you get paid $13,000. If on a ventilator, $39,000. Follow the money!
I appreciate all of these doctors staying curious about the best way to treat their patients!
Yes
It's nice
And hiii
Are u from America
2003 SARS survivor. 3rd attempt antibiotic.
Vancomycin saved my life.
Elite Petite you used antibacteria medicines to fight a virus? That doesn’t make sense at all
Plat it might if bacteria rides on the back of a virus....
You probably had a secondary pneumonia
I was waiting for Kyle Sidell to reach mainstream media, thank u NYT
Hiro Kimura hear hear
He looks like Dr. Derek Shepherd (McDreamy) from "Grey's Anatomy"!
@@karimaogden3875 I thought he was the spitting image of Jaz Coleman!
You did your best anyway and things will be clearer for you with time and the scientific researches. We send you all our positive energy, all will be fine!
S. H. Hardcore Absolute Fact: I will now require gloves, face masks and disinfectant in future jobs from here on out for no less than 2 years!!!! I do NOT trust anyone I Statism or corrupt government anymore! I do not trust millionaires, billionaires or elitist families who are ALL pure evil!!!!
Hardcore Absolute Fact: I will now require gloves, face masks and disinfectant in future jobs from here on out for no less than 2 years!!!! I do NOT trust anyone I Statism or corrupt government anymore! I do not trust millionaires, billionaires or elitist families who are ALL pure evil!!!!
Hardcore Absolute Fact: I will now require gloves, face masks and disinfectant in future jobs from here on out for no less than 2 years!!!! I do NOT trust anyone I Statism or corrupt government anymore! I do not trust millionaires, billionaires or elitist families who are ALL pure evil!!!!
@@absolutetruth568 hardcore absolute fact: your a moron. You can require all you want, go buy it. Your not just a moron, but in fact sound more like the evil person then those you list. I bet you expect those so called evil people to pay for you and any number of other people to survive, right? You know what your just stupid, not even worth it. There's your hardcore fact.
Where’s Dr House when you need him? We will figure this out, for this is how protocols are corrected with time, this is a defining moment in modern medicine
Our hearts are broken for all you face today, unbelievable tragedy, such courage
So far the whole of Africa and India have reported less cases than the whole of America, is the hospital environment actually killing more people? mMost deaths have occurred in the hospital environment. The recovery rates are high in Africa as a whole and those who self isolate at home have a higher rate of recovery? Something odd is happening
90% of patients die on the ventilator.
Technically no where has the most accurate numbers yet
If you look at the death rates for the U.S. v. other countries, it started out lower but is now higher: 1.5% v. 6%. Is this because the U.S. is treating it agressively, getting people on ventilators early? Maybe the "give me lots of ventilators" [thank you, Gov. Cuomo] one-size-fits-all medical movement is not right? I'd love to hear Dr. Fauci on this topic!
Ventilators are killing people with this disease
India is virtually not even testing their people yet. You have to remember that the numbers you see are REPORTED numbers, not actual real life numbers. If you think countries like China, Russia and Korea are reporting their real numbers then you are mistaken. I've been to S Korea, a huge portion of the population leave in skyscraper type of buildings bcs they have so many people in such a tiny country. And there is rampant poverty there, outside of Seoul and Busan.
A question I'm hearing raised is where the gas exchange is failing in critical Covid-19 patients: at the alveoli, or at the hemoglobin?
key question
Exactly. I was a respiratory technician back in the 70s and worked with a lot of ventilator patients. Also had a lot more COPD patients and they had breathing machine treatments with a face mask, a certain O2 level and a bronchodilator that reduced the surface tension of the mucous buildup in the alveoli and eased expectoration of it. I'm hearing that the severe COVID patients have stiff lungs when breathing and they are put on the vents. It's been 40 years since I was in that arena.
Hemoglobin they say it starts to accumulate the ferrin and messes with your iron so as the hemoglobin won’t bind to the oxygen
@@thedevilsadvocate5210 That makes sense. Is it a permanent issue after "recovery"?
Thumbs up the question, folks, if you want more people to discuss. Not for me, but for the conversation. It gets the question more notice.
My friend is dealing w long haul symptoms and I keep coming back to this video because we still don’t fully understand this virus and what it could be doing to those who are still suffering. I’m praying for answers 🙏🏻❤️
I am nobody but I have kept up with Cameron Sidell and all of you since the beginning of this pandemic. I just want to thank all of you for your bravery and thinking out of the protocol box. Most people are not aware of what you have been doing. I sure hope if I end up in the hospital, the doctors have such integrity. Thank You
I hope our medical engineers can figure this thing out. And in a hurry too!
Larry I am a bit concerned, never in the past so many Ventilators have been used for patients that are suffering from an unknown disease like this. What if the ventilators are the reason for these deaths. It's almost like blowing in the soap water. Someone needs to investigate into this matter. Rather than forcing a pipe, maybe a mask system should be developed where the patient can stay conscious.
Larry Riddle Hardcore Absolute Fact: I will now require gloves, face masks and disinfectant in future jobs from here on out for no less than 2 years!!!! I do NOT trust anyone I Statism or corrupt government anymore! I do not trust millionaires, billionaires or elitist families who are ALL pure evil!!!!
Hardcore Absolute Fact: I will now require gloves, face masks and disinfectant in future jobs from here on out for no less than 2 years!!!! I do NOT trust anyone I Statism or corrupt government anymore! I do not trust millionaires, billionaires or elitist families who are ALL pure evil!!!!
Hardcore Absolute Fact: I will now require gloves, face masks and disinfectant in future jobs from here on out for no less than 2 years!!!! I do NOT trust anyone I Statism or corrupt government anymore! I do not trust millionaires, billionaires or elitist families who are ALL pure evil!!!!
@@tanvirkabir4960 Just what the doctor said, we still do need ventilators. The issue here is when to ventilate. Do you go for early or do you delay it?
@@rumblefish9 Yes, it is something to think about as there is not much data regarding this is the first time the whole of humanity is facing this together so fast. That is why sharing of information with each of the nations is valuable at least in this current situation.
what are you doing to be healhty???? Turmeric drinsk? evercise and increase muscel mass.....bossint immunity with dirt?
DOCTORS, you are our heroes! Thank you for letting us know, what you think.
Major respect for our doctors- already having so much responsibility and stress with these difficult decisions, crazy long hours.. and yet dealing with even more head-on with this pandemic and working so hard to save lives. You really are heroes- thank you.
You guys are heroes that will never be forgotten, thanks 4 caring ❤
Dear nurses and doctors, and all the essential workers everywhere THANK YOU! WE CARE! WE APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU DO! WE LOVE YOU. STAY STRONG!!
God Bless You Doctors, may good reveal toyou the best treatment for Each Patient 💛💛💛
I salute these doctors who are really concerned of people & speaking out the truth and standing together to bring out right solution instead of beating around the bush.
This truly eye opening! I wondered about this virus and the effect it has had on people around the world! I pray we can get to the correct protocol to help save lives. ❤🙏
Thank you all for being in the frontline for our country .
You are all Gods Angel's thanks for everything !!!!!!
We should do autopsy and figure out what’s going on
@@samvimes2061 He is not kidding. China has done a lot of cases. This is the fastest and most direct way to understand the disease. I hope the United States and China will cooperate. They have much experience about it and understand the virus better.
Naima Belmili We have been. They have found there is a very thick coat of mucus in the lungs that literally solidifies, which will impair the ability to breathe.
@@shannonfranklin6749 tell us more Shannon please! are you a forensic physician? greetings from Brooklyn ;)
THANK YOU FOR THIS INFO💕
may GOD BLESS YOU FRONTLINE DOCTORS AND NURSES , YALL ARE LOVED BY THE AMERICANS
As a Virology graduate, my heart goes out to you people on the front line fighting. There are so many tricky combinations of how this bug will affect each host differently! There will be no one answer or method of treatment! Please keep fighting for the people and thank you! I am an atheist but may GOD be with you all!
Daren Maglione, and may He be with you. Take care. Be well. Be blessed. ❤️
God bless you Daren!
And may God be with you too!
Daren Maglione, I don’t mean to be pushy. Forgive me if I seem to be. I was just thinking that the word “agnostic” may describe your beliefs better than “atheist.” Just perhaps. You’d know better than I.
I think, from your comment here that you’re a pretty great guy. Remember, you don’t have to believe in God before He can believe in you. And I’m pretty sure He does. Keep doing what you’re doing, Daren. Blessings.
@@jellenp Amen
Wow, I'm super impressed by Dr Rezaie's honesty at the end of the video. That's a true man with real strength, to be so real.
Agree, he is very serious and compassionate. As a newly retired nurse, I didn’t truly appreciate the struggle the docs were going through. Unfortunately, in this lawsuit crazy world, it’s hard to speak up. The one doc was pushing pretty hard to stay with the plan. I like the comment by someone on this thread about treating this like a field hospital. Of course I am writing this after the fact, but this peer review stuff in the event of a crisis causes people to not question. This video is very refreshing to see different opinions being recognized. I think it was Cameron Slidell who first presented the idea that it might be the vents causing the problem. ua-cam.com/video/HzUEI-z77Uk/v-deo.html
Thank you for doing your best!!!! Blesse you!!!
Thank you for all you do and may God bless you all with knowledge and wisdom to deal with this covid-19 🙏🙏🙏
Arrogant doctors who insist on sticking to the old protocols. Wake up.
there is no new protocol to replace it.
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@@gibigbig yes, it was repeated multiple times. wait to intubate and if you have to, low pressure and very high oxygen.
@@nicebluejay Until you make the mistake of waiting too long, and then it's too late to matter. An overloaded hospital is not watching or monitoring each patient like a hawk in reality. They don't even do that well in normal times.
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It's not really arrogance. In medicine, the reluctance to embrace new evidence because it contradicts norms is called a Semmelweis response/reflex. Its a type of medical bias that all doctors are aware of. I think you have to understand it from this context. Most of what they're seeing is completely new to them, these are not the typical ADRS symptoms but doctors will err on the side of caution and follow the existing protocols simply because there is no alternative. Caution is very much what we need because these are observations by some doctors. There needs to be a dialogue between the medical community before protocols can be changed. You don't just suddenly shift something without further research.
at 2:00 the doctor summedit up this is new every case will be different it's a steep learning curve ,thankyou to all health care people around the world .
This was a GREAT piece. I’ve been following the journal preprints and I would love more of the science news/musings/conversation happening.
We’re all learning this as we go.
Massive respect to those Dr's treating Covid-19 & esp. those willing to share treatment concerns & strategies♡♡♡♡
Thanks guys. I'm glad to see doctors who are thinking and not just responding.
A friend of mine believes he had covid 19 about 5 weeks ago. He's a 57 yo. healthy male. It was different than the usual flu in that there was more dizziness and complete loss of balance. If he went from sitting up in bed to lying down, the room would be spinning for half a minute. These symptoms went away over the next 1-2 weeks. He never had shortness of breath.
Believe me, there aren't any "core tenets" for ventilators.
2:26 *ARDS* stands for Acute Respiratory *Distress* Syndrome.
Not “ “ *’Disease’* Syndrome. 🤦🏻♂️
Thank you! GAH that drove me NUTS.
My grandpa died because of corona. He started with pneumonia and the doctors wanted him to stay in the hospital but as stubborn as he is he didn’t want to be admitted. I wish the doctors tested him and made him wait before letting at least go home. He started get worse. He developed double pneumonia,a lung collapsed,he needed a ventilator,he couldn’t get him blood pressure up without medicine and the worst part is he had to die alone. So please stay home if you can. It’s very important to protect yourself and others.
my mom died. her oxygen was 65%. doctors made my brother ( who brought her to hospital) panic and fear that below 90% oxygen it can be dangerous and they have ti put her on ventilator or else organs can be damaged. he immediately signed and gave green signal to doctors to put her on ventilator. and she died. i am so sad and devastated... ! even if my sis in law had warned me..to tell my brother to discuss with doctors and NOT put her on ventilator ! should my brother have insisted to doctor to put her only on manual oxygen therapy ( nasal cannule and face mask oxygen) ? would oxygen therapy through nasal cannule have been enough for her breathe to become better ? or 65% is so less that doctors HAD TO PUT HER ON VENTILATOR ... i am so sad and shocked and looking for answers.
Very interesting, thank you. We are yet to understand what this disease really is. It’s vital that doctors share their thoughts and adapt treatment plans accordingly. Keep up the great work!
I love to find a pure scientific thinking among these professionals and not the status quo of the hospital administrators and politicians. That is part of the meaning behind the name Doctor and the trust of the patients that are in their hands.
I thought the intubation takes place when the patient can no longer breathe on their own. I am a very shallow breather. Clinic aides get worried when I come in and make me take deep breaths. When I can reach what they consider normal then that is what they write and then they leave me alone. But I can be at 81-71 and feel fine. Maybe if a person can talk ok with no problem then the treatment needs reevaluating.
I was working in an I.C.U. In NYC 1978-1985 , THIS REMINDED ME OF WHAT WE WENT THROUGH WITH THE AIDS EPIDEMIC! We survived and we will survive this.
You Will also survive the extinction of the sun too.
Laurie Nelson Posner Personally, I’d rather have HIV instead of this so called virus. People live just fine with aids. You can’t live with this biological disease. 🙄
Laurie Nelson Posner HIV isn’t airborne. So..., there’s that. I’d much rather sit next to someone with HIV than Covid19.
@@shannonfranklin6749 then if I can protect you from covid-19, will you let me give you HIV?
Thank you for reporting this. Sharing it now. I can't believe THIS useful information isn't trending more.
Watch "out of shadows offical" before its gone
When I saw that 80 percent who get on a ventilator don't come out, my first instinct was maybe it's the ventilator....
People are far too sanguine about the use of mechanical ventilation and the massive sedation it requires. There are horrifyingly high levels of injury and long term detrimental impacts both physiological and psychological which worsen each day someone is on ventilation. There can be organ damage. Approximately 1/3 of patients suffer brain injury, irreparable cognitive detriment, delirium, PTSD-like symptoms, long term depression, etc.
If it is at all possible to avoid mechanical ventilation and still preserve the life and likelihood of recovery, then they should be avoided.
Why aren't all patients in prone position? This is now the normal protocol in Italy. It has been proven to facilitate breathing, both natural and on ventilation.
What about the use of ECMO? Even with its risks the Chinese found it gave better results with the sickest patients. These machines are expensive and unfortunately too rare. Why is there no broad discussion on the use of ECMO?
At my former hospital ( just retired), they are definitely doing everything to keep patients off the ventilator if possible. Everyone gets proned.
Robin, A terrific film and a great service. I hope there is more to come.
Thank you for sharing this. Those poor docs all look exhausted. Thank god for our medical staff. This is so darn scary
Some of these doctors are very good looking.
I know right
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The public is far too uninformed and sanguine about the use of mechanical ventilation and the massive sedation it requires. There are horrifyingly high levels of injury and long term detrimental impacts both physiological and psychological which worsen each day someone is on ventilation. There can be organ damage, permanent lung damage as a result of the pressure on the lungs. The high oxygen levels also can cause serious damage. Approximately 1/3 of patients on ventilators suffer brain injury, irreparable cognitive detriment, delirium, PTSD-like symptoms, long term depression, etc.
If it is at all possible to avoid mechanical ventilation and still preserve the life and likelihood of recovery, then they should be avoided.
Why aren't all patients in prone position? This is now the normal protocol in Italy. It has been proven to facilitate breathing, both natural and on ventilation.
What about the use of ECMO? Even with its risks the Chinese found it gave better results with the sickest patients. These machines are expensive and unfortunately too rare. Why is there no broad discussion on the use of ECMO?
A R I think you answered your own question, ECMO machines are very rare. Very few hospitals have them.
Hi! Does anyone know where I could find some follow-up on this debate?
Excellent production, VALUABLE CONTENT...thank you.
Ozone Blood Therapy could be the answer to handling and may prevent ARDS
Has anyone been using this. You could be on to something
What a crock.
@@fleckx
You’re right wear a mask
That’ll help
theibizan.com/ozone-therapy-proving-successful-in-covid-19-patients/
I was given a COVID treatment protocol with ozone and vit c. I work at a Vetrerinary clinic with ozone therapy.
"We need evidence based medicine". Well I'm sorry Doc, there's no time for evidence, you're creating it everyday. The best you have now is intuition and cunning in the face of no protocol. You're no longer a sailor, you're an explorer.
evidence based medicine tends to be designed for "average" patients with typical, specific, disease/condition presentations. Long before Covid 19, evidence based medicine often failed patients with atypical,complex &/or co morbid conditions.It's not at all surprising that Covid is confounding rigid evidenced based protocols. I hope these doctors not only make it through this horrendous time but come away from it in a way that allows them to expand this original thinking approach beyond pandemics into main stream medicine.Evidence is vital but it should serve as a guideline not holy doctrine.
Yeah, and he is ignoring the evidence of all the ICU doctors saying the ARDS vent protocol isn’t working for covid.
The data is in.
This fear mongering video uses local anecdotes to highlight one specific aspect. Yet as the data comes in it's showing more and more the models were wrong.
"On Wednesday Dr. Dan Erickson and Dr. Artin Massihi, who own seven Accelerated Urgent Care facilities in Kern County, Calif., gave a press conference to local media. They extrapolated from their own COVID-19 data, along with data sets nationwide and globally. Using this data, their own medical knowledge and information gathered from conversations with their colleagues around the country, they presented a compelling case, which included unreported health risks related to sheltering in place, for ending the severe shutdowns."
pjmedia.com/trending/watch-california-docs-say-lockdown-vs-non-lockdown-did-not-produce-a-statistically-different-number-of-deaths/
@@stevedoetsch Well that's fine and dandy but models can be made wrong when people act upon them.
@@stevedoetsch pjmedia is right wing propaganda.
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Those same discussions went on a generation ago regarding ARDS, the syndrome is not homogeneous. The debate regarding invasive care vs a trial of conservative care has gone on in many ICU situations, and the risk of delay is often balanced by treatment associated toxicities on the aggressive side. It wouldn't be the first time we would conclude that less is more. Also bear in mind that lead time bias can dramatically shift results, so comparisons between institutions needs to bear that in mind. Results often say more about inclusion criteria than treatment efficacy.
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Also the public is not aware of the dangers of ventilation and sedation to the patients, as part of the equation. The patient may exit the ICU with terrible injuries and deficits.
What is your opinion of ECMO? And why is there no discussion of this option. I read it was aggressively used in China
@@AR-ml9eo re: " ECMO? And why is there no discussion of this option." Probably because we are no longer a 1st world country (or even a real world country for that matter) ,when even basic supplies are unavailable state of the art treatment is probably not even on the radar. ECMO was used here in 2009 for H1N1 patients, but that was before our country signed it's own death warrant on November 8,2016.
"Can you put a patient with a pneumonia like symptoms on a ventilator" given that if his/her lung is full of fluids. I have been asking that to myself. I remember how a doctor drained the fluid from my dads lung and gave him the chance to breathe properly and this happened 10 years ago. If the intention is to let the patient breathe properly and increase the O2 saturation then should we be looking into the condition of the lung as well, a constant monitoring and making sure there is no fluid buildup? Also staying still in bed and not being able to move atall can lead to more fluid buildup in the lung due to lack of movement and no sweating?
Maybe I am thinking wrong.
These patients don't just needs O2, their lungs is so full of fluid its basicly turns into a wet stiff sponge and they laterally cannot breath properly, they need to have O2 force into their lungs, the question is about what setting to be used and what other things is required to do like draining the fluid or lying on the stomach to help clear fluid.
It's not loose liquid, or they could hang them by their heels and drain it out. Covid-19 produces an extraordinarily viscous mucous as part of the cell breakdown and immune response that coats the lungs alveoli preventing oxygen and CO2 membranous exchange. The surface area available for exchange is progressively reduced, decreasing oxygen levels, affecting brain and organ function, especially the heart. Also as the lungs stiffen from a gossamer softness to cardboard, they become harder to compress and expand. Breathing becomes labored, eventually exhausting the patient.
The mechanical respirator forces air into the lungs with a higher percentage of oxygen to compensate for the reduced exchange surface area.
The other option is an ECMO. You can look that up.
God bless and keep these Drs safe! Thanks
Thank u Robin.
Doctors, nurses and all medical officers and staff are like soldiers confronting the enemy with the weapons they have got and been provided, with their skills and their hearts, while many parties not doing anything are blaming them, keep playing around with people's lives with their politics.
God bless them .😥😥
That was very helpful
Thank you for your bravery ♥️ Please don't give up ♥️