12ga. Shotgun Tungsten APDS Round - Impressive Results!
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- Опубліковано 25 вер 2024
- An anonymous viewer created these diabolical diabolo-shaped 12ga. rounds using nylon and a tungsten core. These functioned quite well from a smooth bore. In order for the core to function correctly, they must fly perfectly straight through the air.
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Capturing those two pieces of AR500 that got cookie-cutter’d out of the plate in the ballistic gel is arguably cooler than capturing the tungsten core. Neat round, this one.
I was surprised we caught the first one.
Surprising results, indeed - just like the video title says.^.^
"What weapon do you have against my body armor?"
"Your body armor is my weapon."
The fact that it went clean through that plate is just amazing! From a 12ga at that. Impressive. Awesome video as always
Yes! Thank you!
I wonder what is the minimum velocity for that core to penetrate the AR500 plate?
Quite devastating and 3d printable, maybe good to keep a couple in a shell carrier in case things get spicy.
Like punching holes in a piece of paper. Very impressive!
That plate is pretty thin.
Hey, to get an accurate depth measurement in the famous lead plate, you have to have OG stick his finger in there for an official reading...
That comment made me laugh out loud. hehe
This is true ya know 😂
True 💯
This dude probably has been exaggerating his size to women but actually had been spot on 😂
😂
We must not forget the skill of the loader is an important part of the success of these slugs. One thing these videos have taught me is the choice of ancillaries (gas seal etc) and the type and weight of powder is just as important as the design of the slug itself, especially composite slugs.
True there are a lot of variables in shotshells.
Sometimes I get it right more often my loads aren't ideal. I don't have anything to go off of so I have only the weight of the projectile to go off of
@@taofledermaus Well, obviously from your channel, we all think you do a great job! It's always a treat to see a new video pop up in the feed.
Experience is most important when calculating what kind of materials are going to be used to push the projectile. @taofledermaus
Impressive for a light projectile. Cool to see that core pop out and penetrate. Nice work.
Thanks!
It's amazing how stable the diabolo shaped slugs are without spin, that tungsten core sure is a penetrator
The only thing it made its way through was the water jug and helmet and soft armor.
In the end it seems the whole thing is a tungsten pellet delivery system. That thing goes through the vest, no problem.
@@steveletson6616did you watch the whole video? It went through ar500 body armor. Twice.
@@steveletson6616thrice*
That's a legit armor-piercing shotgun round. Great work guys ! Kudos to all involved.
thanks!
I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but I like the fact that Tao's videos are made by regular people with no script. Just folks out testing various homemade slugs, having fun doing it. Shout out to Zach for shooting.
Keeping it simple and real!
That was very impressive. As we heard Jeff say, the nylon body is simply a carrier for that diabolical little tungsten core and when it gets to the target it hits like sledgehammer and just smashes and penetrates. It's a win win situation where the nylon carries hydrostatic shock ability and the tungsten carries penetration ability. Married together, this makes a very impressive round.
Once again, Jeff got the blend just right for the round. Shame about the chrono but it could have been worse, you could have dumped it in Scott from Kentucky Ballisticks Chip o Matic 6000 like he usually does. 🤣🤣
To see it just pierce that AR500 plate repeatedly with no apparent effort was amazing. 😮😮
Nice shooting from Zack. Like every guest shooter he seemed a little awkward for the first two minutes, but once he knew what the round was doing, he got interested and seemed to forget the camera. Hope to see him again.👍👍
Another spot on episode. Keep up the great work. Love from England. The no gun, no fun country.☹☹
Another great video. "Loaded" with information. Thanks Jeff and Zack. I like that gun!
thank you
It is a pretty gun.
Awesome. I love these kind of APDS slugs. It's cool to see the old scatterguns brought to their peak capabilites.
Thanks to the anonymous viewer for crafting and sending these projectiles. Thanks to Zach for being the guest shooter. And, as always, thanks to Jeff for the loading and filming.
I'd buy a box from him and I don't even HAVE a shotgun at the moment 🙂
@@mikeh8416 I mean, you can easily get some of these made. You take a model of the diabolo shape, scale it up and upload it to any of the on-demand CNC shops. When the plastic parts arrive, just take a drill to it and glue a piece of tungsten in it.
@@AlexusMaximusDE You expect me to WORK for them 🤣
@@mikeh8416 Oh sorry, thought I was talking to a grown man.
This might be the most impressive shotgun load in a long time. Definitely onto something here
I have done tungsten cores in my 4570. It is impressive. I used tig tips to make my cores. I stopped using them at the range I go to because I was punching holes in the steel targets .
Good looking shells Jeff! Great Content as always!👍🏻🇺🇲
thanks again Zman
YES! Finally! I've bee watching this channel for years and years and I've always wanted to make something like this, essentially a APCR tank shell in the shape of a diabolo. It's just missing a hollow nosecone, but it obviously worked pretty great even without that.
The hollow base is mostly there to allow it to expand to seal the bore - in regards to air rifle pellets
Interesting how the nylon prevented the aluminum block and the steel plate from cratering.
I think it’s more just that the tungsten carried most of the momentum, leaving the nylon with not enough to dimple the AR500 plate or the thick aluminum block. Compare with the mild steel helmet that the nylon *almost* passed completely through.
Amazed how you get those odd ball slugs to work so well. Good shooting too…
This will always be one of the greatest UA-cam channels, you guys are so good to us!
thanks for the kind words!
Great job Jeff, designing and building these loads!
This is one of your best videos. I'm a fan of tungsten projectiles. Putting it into the gel was genuis. I'm incredibly shocked at how bullet resistant that thick aluminum was. Either way, one of the best episodes ever.
Thank you !!
I wonder if the aluminum being a soft metal like the lead slab has to do with its' resistance to round penetration. Being that it's soft it's absorbing the rounds energy whereas the steel plate is trying to block and deflect the energy away. I'm no expert, just a guess. :)
@Slane583 good guess imho
@@michaelabraham9177 Thank you. It's fun watching OG and Jeff shooting these funky rounds. OG's humor adds to it as well. :)
As someone who has worked with aircraft aluminum, I can say without a doubt there is definitely a difference. It’s actually impressively tough compared to your average aluminum.
Still putting out the best ballistic testing videos on UA-cam. Thx Taofledermaus!
thank you!
that penetrator is acting much like a single use hole punch for the steel plate, thats very impressive
I would not have bet a cent on thoe things working as well as they did. Simply amazing! Nice one as usual Jeff.
thank you!!
I have quite a bit of 7.62x39, 7.62x54, 7.62x51, .30-06 and 8mm with tungsten cores and they do a far better at penetration than standard hardball. Not too hard to see why someone would choose that material. Maybe a depleted uranium penetrator from somebody? Cool video!
Depleted uranium will work even better than tungsten. Unfortunately, DU rounds will spread a lot of very toxic and slightly radioactive debris over a wide area.
I've had the fun experience to use shotgun APFSDS. They were fin stabilized little darts with a plastic sabot meant for smoothbore shotgun and the performance was insane.
Great video. I would live to see further load development on those.
Yea, me too. :)
Hey Zach, looking great out there, nice shooting. Thank you for helping out the channel 👍.
As for that Chrono, I recall you mentioning a few videos back that these items are essentially disposable, so don't bother sending you a fancy expensive device. Well, it did not take long at all to see exactly what you're talking about haha. Certain tools are just subject to rather extreme wear and tear out there in the field. And that's okay, that's what they were made for. Accidents and mishaps can happen, especially when you're engaging in cutting-edge prototyping and field-testing the way you guys are. Love it.
You have the kylon touch. 💚
That slug is very impressive = WOW 💥 and thanks to the Shootist Zack.....An again to Jeff for the correct loading of this amazing slug.....
Thanks Jeff & Zack ❣🙏🙏👍
Old Shoe🇺🇸
thank you Steve!!
Smooth bore accurate AP round, amazing!
With reference to the flat Tungsten tip, APDS Tank ammunition uses a capped front basically as a wind screen for aerodynamic purposes while the Tungsten penetrator is more or less blunt
Actually the APDS tungsten tank rounds have a carrier body that surrounds the sabot and is full bore diameter that determines the form factor. The cap on the tungsten penetrator inside is there to facilitate the embedding of the penetrator in the armor and minimize deflection and the risk of penetrator breakup especially when encountering high obliquity sloped armor. This applies to the few samples that I had run across that may not have been the latest interation prior to the later APFSDS/DA's... that followed. That was back in the early to mid eighties...and I have no idea how old they were then.
Very impressive and quite surprising results. Thank you gents. Appreciate the great demonstrations.
thanks!
Wicked slug from that smooth bore.
thank you Buffalo!!
Truly amazing! that small tungsten tip penetrated great. Seeing the AR500 cookie cutter plug was very interesting.
Glad you liked it!
Can't say this any better...THAT WAS IMPRESSIVE and AWESOME!! Was a little disappointed that the other shotgun with the rifling didn't work. I'm not one of those that believe rifling makes everything better, just thought that was a really cool shotgun. Would've liked to see a bit more from it. Perhaps in a future episode?!
Wish I could upvote a few more times. That was a great vid.
thanks!
I wonder if a square or star shaped core would hold in the nylon better. A screw shape running opposite to the rifling spin would take advantage of the differences in inertia to screw itself in tighter. Maybe a half inch of all-thread?
@@michaelgrosvenor4707 That tungsten is VERY difficult to cut muchless try to shape
like that.
Hello again from Norway 🇳🇴 👋
Loving the schotgun before,... loveing the ammo even more what a perfect round
Can't wait for the V2 that has a depth charge in the end so that way you punch in the front plate, blast the gooey center, and punch out the back. All jokes aside really sick round, good design, nice pen, and most of all it shoots accurate out of a smooth bore. Props to the designer.
that is a heck of a lot of phonons - great example of material dynamics.
Amazing round. Can you imagine if they were more reliable with their accuracy? Loved the shot vs the metal helmet, but those shots vs the ar plate, and the pieces of the plate that you managed to recover!! Amazing.
I probably pushed them too hard. At lower velocities they'd probably do better.
@@taofledermaus food for thought. Do you think they'd still penetrate the steel plate like they did in this video?
That was a shocker on the AR500 plate! Wonder what it would do to a LVL 4 Ceramic Plate.
Now I want to see a tungsten slug with a nylon core.
Accurate enough and it penetrates- the round for the robot apocolypse
Jeff, one way you could do high speed down range is with a mirror. Set the camera up with armor blocking it from the spalling, with the camera facing parallel with the line of fire. Then have a mirror at a 45 so it can see the reflection facing into the gel block
Great video as always. Sorry about the chrono. It would be nice to see a part two to this. The round seems to have potential and I'm sure you guys could dial it in.
I'm sure I loaded these a little too hot. I was just hoping to get them fast enough to get through the armor.
I'm speechless. The performance off these rounds were phenomenal. Does the creator have other core materials in mind for future development? Maybe tungsten-carbide, lead, copper, or high speed tool steel?
I've got another set of very complex slugs he made a while back yet to shoot.
This one just blew my mind. What it was doing to that AR plate was nuts!
I cannot believe how many years I’ve watched this channel, RIP Danny .
IMHO the the most incredible yet.
I've got some old coal drill teeth that have a tungsten carbide cutting edge. I'm gonna try and separate the carbide from the rest of the tooth and if I can do that, I'll send em to you to test. :)
You can also buy tungsten carbide rods in various diameters and lengths online from places like McMaster-Carr
That was an idea I was working on, glad to see it is a good one!
That is a terrifying round, holy crap.
As always, thanks a lot for the entertainment and thanks to Zach for participating.
I liked the Transparent shell in the beginning. Would be really really nice if you, from time to time, show us some loads like this.
This channel is why UA-cam is still fun. Thanks guys. Lets hear it for the smooth bore field barrel crowd.
thank yoU!!
10/10 as always guys a great video! Thanks again for the really awesome information and content
Fun fact, "Lethal Penetration" was the name of the last metal band OG was in. The slugs knocked out of the armor plate look just like those formed when blacksmiths punch the eye of a hammer.
You guys are the best! Never stop the awesome content.
thanks Josh!
That is one genius yet relatively simple projectile. Hat off to the anonymous creator! Great load for the projectile as well. Good work!
Thanks!
REALLY impressed that the diablo shape works just about perfectly out of smoothbore weapons... Wonder if it would have the same effect in a smoothbore cannon....
Anything that can pop a hole in ar-500, is impressive!
Very cool video guys!!! Keep making them and we shall keep watching them 😊
thanks Gary
Kylon sounds like the most popular baby name behind the Granola Curtain.
lol
German and Russian tank tank rounds used this basic concept but had a soft metal in front as well as surrounding penetrator. the soft metal out front helps keep core from glancing off hardened steel armor
that sort of works like a double sabo just for the bit of tungsten. its a seriously efficient idea
That is an impressive round.
To penetrate that plate is quite impressive, I'm amazed it managed to hold onto the tungsten core.
Now that's a brilliant home defense round. 👏
Let's take a moment and remember Danny
Don’t make me tear up bro 🥹🥹🥹 Danny was a damn good dude
Every video..... I give Danny a few fond thoughts !!
Rest well bud !!!
Great video and great shooting, Zach.
These reminds me of the APCR (Armor Piercing Composite Rigid) shells that tanks used to penetrate armor, and it seems to perform similarly to those rounds as well- the outer shell gets left behind while the core is what causes spalling and/or penetration.
These shells are essentially predecessors to the modern APFSDS (Armor Piercing Fin-Stabilized Discarding Sabot) rounds used today. I wonder how a 12-gauge version of an APFSDS round would perform (I am aware that similar rounds were tested on this channel before tho.).
That is a clever little round.
Love the imperial scale Jeff, contrary to opinion, us old codgers were raised on feet inches pounds and miles here in Sherwood Forest 😆❤️
thanks Patrick
Impressive. That round has potential with some tweaks.
Whew! Impressive results from this one, makes me wonder if it would perform better or worse with a bigger tungsten core. Well done!
Remember my loads are almost never ideal. I was going for speed and that may have caused them to be less accurate
This is literally just APCR/HVAP rounds for a shotgun. Amazing 👏
I like your new Mach plus hole punch!
Very cool new sheet punching method ;)
Really cool. Tungstan carbide is very hard but also brittle.
Still, catching these punched out pieces of the steel armor plate was very impressive.
I would not want to be behind that plate... wonderful video, as always!
Thank you Saar!
Dude, it's most interesting round! absolute unpredictable!
thanks!
We have seen some similar design but point of failure was always not enough support for the core. This design seems to be nailing it down for the smooth bore. Amazing results with the steel plate.
Glad to see new guest shooters. A little awkwardness is what keeps it real.
I mean Jeff is always kinda awkward despite running it for that long, haha. It's cool, thanks for the video. :)
The tungsten core is what made that projectile work so well.
If that was a level 4a plate, that is very impressive! Another awesome video, Jeff
I've wanted to see a shape like this that has either a cluster of smaller diameter flechettes or a stack of tungsten pellets embedded in the middle of it. But from the gel test, it looks like the single tungsten core fragments pretty impressively on its own.
Also, if you're worried about your high-speed camera being downrange, just use a steel mirror next to the gel block to catch the side view (obviously attached to a ground stand or something, not sitting on the same table). That way you also can get two views of the block with one camera shot.
Look great, fly great, hit great. About as great as the video! Thanks fellas!
Glad you enjoyed it
Thank you for all your great videos
Glad you like them!
This video has some mind boggling physics in action.
I do believe I have found my new favorite boutique Christmas item. Lol
Oh boy. Are you going to start killing chronographs the way Scott does? I'll admit it does give me a certain amount of enjoyment seeing those things bite the dust.
Gotta say, I was not expecting that. Impressive.
I'd like to see what these would do to an engine block.
Thank you for the video ! ☺♥
wow, straight through an ar500 plate from a smoothbore shotgun. insane.
Pinky knuckle deep "should be on one of your shirts" added to my vocabulary😊. TY Sir, sorry about the chrono, I always like to see the speed.
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Well actually if you use the primer it sticks pretty well. It also locks bolts and self tapping screws into plastic without primer. Been using it for years. It holds that well that I have broken many 4mm screws trying to remove.
@dazaspc
You're missing the point.
You are comparing a profiled shaft to a smooth rod, in this application.
Important note: Loctite is a brand. Loctite makes all kind of glues.
Loctite has a ca glue not all thread lockers
Girls please! We all know Loctite is a threadlocker. We all know Loctite makes all kinds of adhesives. We know what he was talking about. Can we all just get along?!?
Great idea.
WELL IT WORKS SOMEHOW JUST DONT GET IN FRONT OF IT 😮.😊
That's the perfect round
I can't believe that I'm the only person on Earth that when Zach was standing there with the shotgun at RightShoulderArms, all I could hear in my head was R.LeeErmey screaming at Vincent D'Onofrio "WHICH SIDE WAS THAT PRIVATE PYLE?" LOL
I want some of those now... Out of everything I've watched ya'll shoot I liked these the best... Great job ya'll...
thank you!
point being a .50 cal. penetrator might go through, but think of a mini- RPG in a 12 GA, I get all kinds of ideas using copper rounds, my old school deer stoppers from Georgia arms will go right through 1/2 steel at 50 yards from a model 94 Winchester in .44 magnum, now up the load, THAT MY FRIENDS IS WHAT WE CALL SPALL!