Wow, the Zan’s were outstanding! I love the idea of shooting indoor to get things perfected so outdoors it’s about reading the wind! Thanks for the video!
Funny you say that about the indoor range. I’m a member of a club that has a 50m indoor range twice a week. And we can shoot at 100m indoor once a month at another club. All good for testing and all. And I dream of the outdoor range you have in the Forest. 🤗 You come to the Netherlands and I will bring you as a guest. Then I come to Denmark as your guest 😉
Wow, great video sir! You are quite fortunate to have this access for testing. We too are fortunate to see testing done in this environmentally friendly setting. Thank you & your friend! 👍
Amazing channel. I love these types of videos. Testing different types of things (in this case barrels) really helps others in the airgun community. Thanks brother. God bless you.
Fantastic Video! I fitted the LW Classic Barrel 1:17.7 twist! ZAN 13gr at 840fps also 9mm group at 40m… Thank you for sharing… If I was not camera shy I would like to post a video also…
Excellent test! It's something I always wanted to see. How does an impact behave with a LW. What would be very good to see would be a versus in the same conditions of a liner versus a lw. congratulations, friend!
Thank you so much buddy 🙂 I will make this test with both choked and unchoked, and at the end I will make a conclusion 🙂 I am as excited as anybody else 😃
@@VikingAirgunner Excellent! Really looking forward to the comparison and summing up. I have a feeling that the unchoked barrel may actually be better for you. Chokes are a bit of myth and really not required in my opinion, especially for slugs. I'm led to believe it may of been Weihrauch that discovered it by chance when they applied the pressed dovetails to the end of the barrel to fit the open fore sight, this process choked the barrel slightly and they found it made the barrel less pellet fussy. Theoben then started to do it to their barrels with gland clamp machine. If you have a well formed barrel with decent Crowning on the muzzle you don't need a Choke. Take care Peter. All the best. Neil.🙂
@@kiteboardkid I didnt know that ☝️☝️ I will let the tests tell me what is the best. I will do the test in the exact same way as with the choked, so I guess we will know very soon 😃
@@VikingAirgunner Always looking forward to see your next videos. Fingers crossed to finding perfection! 🙂 You are like me Peter, always striving to improve the M3. Thank you for all the effort you put in and taking time to film and share it. 💯👍🏼👊🏼
Excellent video Peter - quite amazing result with Zans, despite no harmonic tuner etc. I think I'd spend half my time looking at the machinery & the parts, and half my time shooting - if I was allowed in there 😀
I have a TJ barrel and a Lathor Walther barrel in .357. I went with the TJ barrel, but no choke because....well, there was no reason just went with it first. The difference was felt and saw immediately at the range. It didn't matter what I shot in it. Groups were tight at all ranges. I need to find someone to turn my LW barrel. I'm looking forward to seeing what it can do.
With a 357 I would not image that a choke would do anything good. I dont really want to predict the outcom of the test of the heavier slugs, but I would not be surprised to see them being outperformed by the lighter slugs. So also very exciting to see how the unchoked version performs - just recieved it today 😃
@VikingAirgunner at that time, the Mk2 had just come out and choked is the only thing out. Yes, the accuracy was horrible. The TJ barrel I have in it now is a 1: 16 twist rate, good for light heavy to heavy slugs. Twist rate.
At 9:47 most hospitals used that type of filing cabinet system to store medical records....years before electronic medical records. Also at 11:37 your trigger looks like it would fire the gun if a gnat landed on it.
The modified trigger gives it a very light break and the ball on it makes me connect perfectly to the shot. I will follow me to the M4 no matter how good the new trigger is 😃
Awesome video and awesome results!!!!! Those 13grainers are like a laser beam!! Can’t wait to see what you can achieve with the heavier slugs!! In the process of having an 800mm TJ slug barrel & shroud machined for my .30 caliber Vulcan 3. It’s either going to be EPIC!! or an expensive failure LOL!!! Crossing my fingers!
I just wish that there were more videos like this out there with all the different barrels! No bs just pure results so people dont have to make these expensive failures 😃 But luckily so far it seems to be a good investment - looking so much forward to tomorrow where Im testing the heavier slugs!! And the unchoked version just arrived today 😜😎🤗
@@VikingAirgunner well thank god for guys like you!! Your videos are very well done and super informative!!! One of these days I’ll join you and become a real UA-camr LOL!!! my channel to total shit LOL…. just need to take a day and actually learn how to edit. And put multiple clips into one video.
@@Oregon-airguns Thank you so much for your positive comment buddy 🤗 Very much appreciated 🙂 Just go ahead and do some videos. If you have some good content the rest is not that important. Practice and you will learn 🤗 For editing Im using an open source editing program Shotcut. Easy to use and lots of tuturials on UA-cam 🤗
Hello Peter, Your videos are great and very informative. I also shoot Slugs from a Lothar-Walther Polygon barrel without a choke and am very happy with it. I now have the opportunity to buy a Polygon barrel with a choke and wanted to ask you whether this makes sense and whether the accuracy might be even better as a result. Of course I would have to test it out, but I am still interested in whether a choke is an improvement. Best regards Andy
Thank you so much Tony 🤗 I am filming the next video tomorrow with 15 gr NSA and the 16 gr from ZAN and H&N, so you will get the results in two weeks when the video will hopefully be released 😎
I’m sorry if I missed it but I’m curious what your “base” settings (reg, macro/micro, valve) are, and how you adjust velocity during these tests. I assume just with the micro but….thankx! I have learned a lot from you!
Awesome video. I saw that you chose the polygon style choked barrel. Now I wonder how a polygon unchoked, 12 groove choked, 12 groove unchoked would have done in comparison. I might say its a moot point considering the great results you got with the poly unchoked barrel. But doesn't it make you wonder? Lol. I do! As always, thanks for sharing all the data that you do. Much appreciated.
It actually made me wonder so much that I ordered the unchoked version and recieved it yesterday 😃 I was really conflicted about which one to get, so I cant wait to start testing that one in the exact same way 🤓 I am pretty sure though that I will stop there. So no 12 grooves saddly. Buying the barrel and paying more than the cost of that to get it machined... Im not that big of a UA-camr 😃😂 As always - thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts Joshua 🤗
Hello, why don’t you try hn 20 grain slugs. I have very good results with them on dreamline power pup with weihrauch 177 barrel. According to my experience the slug barrels with twist around 1:17 the longer and heavier slug the better result.
I have never had any good results with the slugs from H&N in any barrel or in any weight, but I am happy that they work well for you in the Weihrauch barrel 🙂 Thank you for sharing your experience 🙂
The ZANs are also ok in the weihrauch barrel but the heavier ones - 20 grains. I’m getting better results with free floating conventional barrels (also tried with alfa precision one but in 5,5) Admirations for your videos- very useful for everyone who loves the .177 caliber :)
Can you show us what you did to the breech end of the barrel? Did you machine it with a port and grooves for orings or did you machine it to accept the original or the Huma Air port, please show us what and how you did it
Hi Michael I will hopefully have the new barrel machined in a few days and I will make sure to take pictures and document it when I post the first video of the unchoked barrel 🙂 But basically it is made exactly as the original barrel inlet 🙂
its really nice 2 see your videos, interesting and getting knowledge about .177 cal, but from the last 30 years i dont shoot below 10shoots min sir, thanks, i have made some videos my self on fx impact .22 fac and .25cal
Did you see my video on M3 vs Panthera long range? I actually shot 14 shot groups at 100 m in that one🙂 Most say that I do like shooting 5 shot groups better. Also makes me able to compare my previous results to what I do now 🙂 I guess its a matter of taste - but then again never say never 😃 Thanks for sharing your experiences and thoughts 🤗
@@VikingAirgunner well, in my videos i shoot 15+ shoots to see how bad my groups can get, but most people dont understand, unsorted pellets and slugs, just see my tune 4 the pellets or slugs sir, hope u understand my feelings and thoughts 4 the game,,,a group should b repeatable in the same condestions
I got two guns with same barrel as you. 177 LW polygonal choked barrel 60.5 cm. Both guns loves the newer NSA 15gr (950 - 975 fps). Newer nsa has different shape than the older one, but still weights the same. Also, did you season your barrel when you switch between different slugs? I found seasoning the barrel can drastically increase the grouping size. Some guns or slugs only need 5-10 shots with newer ammo until groups good, some needs 50-100 shots, some also needs pristine clean barrel without any old ammo materials left in the barrel.
Thank you so much for sharing your experiences 🤗👍👍 Your input based on your experience is dynamite info 😎 I did shoot some shots in between the different slugs and started out with a clean barrel. Didnt clean during the test, but with the 13 gr ZAN at the end I dont think it was needed. I have different input regarding when to clean the barrel, so I stick to aprox 200 shots max and then shooting some shots before expecting accuracy again 🙂 I will film the next part of the video today, so the 15 gr NSA will be tested 😎 Been shooting it alot in the past - super ammo 👍👍
The video is very impressive, my impact has never been very precise at low powers, the liners are not suitable. Where can you get one of those barrels for 4.5?. Thank you in advance.
If you havent seen my two tuning videos you should take the time. It tells you exactly how to tune your M3 in two different ways - and here you can see what kind of results you can expect 🙂 Link in describtion
Great video. I really enjoy all yours. I only shoot pellets are pellets going by the wayside? Well thanks again and keep up the great work. By the way you will never be called a cheat.
Thank you Steven 🙂 I havent shot pellets for a long time since my main focus is the longer distances. And with a 177 it becomes quite difficult with pellets. But I still think there is a place for pellets. In the bigger calibers they are stabile much further out than in 177, so they can easily be shot at 100 m. I do have an idea of getting a gun for pellets at some point. This for distances at max 50 m 🙂
Hi Peter. Very interesting video. I wish i could order a LW liner😢 Could you please tell me how much for everything in this liner? Have a nice day😊 /Rolf
Hi Rolf. I want to make sure that I understand you correctly - Do you mean the price of barrel and what more? 🤔 Price of the barrel is listed on the webpage in the link. Apart from that you need a transfer port and ofcause the machining 🙂
I have a LCS SK-19 in .25 caliber but can not find a slug that the LW Polygonal choked barrel likes. It shoots FX 34 grain pellets @ 960 FPS lights out but no luck with slugs sir. Do you have any suggestions on a slug that may work? It seems to me that the slugs from JSB and NSA .250 dia not only fit loose in the magazine but also in the barrel and give me a shotgun pattern even at 25 yards at any speed. The gun is a MOA @ 100 gun with FX pellets but doing pest control the pests see my truck and run or fly away to 150 yards and farther. I need a slug to make my customers happy. Can you help sir?
My experience with other calibers than 177 is unfortunately limited, so I cant really say anything specific to help you. I have a feeling that the bigger calibers are less sensitive to slugs, so your challenge surprises me. First of all make sure that you have covered a big span of velocity testing, but I sense that you have done this all ready. My limited experience with LW has shown that the choked polygon version likes slugs from ZAN, and maybe a lighter slug bcs of the choke? So without presenting you with a certain solution, I will suggest testing those. Best regards Peter
Hi!! Are those barrels already compatible with the m3 or is it necessary to customize them? I didnt have time to see the entire video yet so im sorry if im asking a dumb question😅
also it looks like the barrels are 16mm diameter, while the outer diameter of the barrel cover is only around 14 (at least for my 5.5mm), how is this supposed to be mounted? thanks!
In this first part of the test is is all about testing the different slugs in different versions of the barrels to find the best match, so when the testing is complete the gun will be tested properly at 100 m outdoors so the results can be compared with what I have previously shot with the 700 mm heavy liner 🙂
Not at all surprised by the accuracy of the ZAN slugs. I use the 23grn 5,5mm slugs. I used to weigh them all, just to be sure. They are the most consistent slugs I have ever seen. At most a 1/10th grain difference between them. While H&N or JSB have some times several with a difference of a whole grain. That is way too much and not acceptable I think. ZAN all the way! ( love the channel btw)
well, hello sir nice 2 see your new experiment in door, but if u dont mind u should have tried 5 shoots plus+ ,i think so, if u dont mind sir, it would have been more better in my thoughts, hope u will give it try, pls dont mind , thanks
No this video was about slugs in the 13 gr range as I say in the video. Next video will be featuring the 15 and 16 gr slugs - as I also say in the video.
@@VikingAirgunner 🙂 I watched your video on mute as i was listening to another one, so only heard a bit of it before i muted you. Im not good at multitasking.
Well if it is about who has the better accuracy, I think you misunderstand the purpose of this test... This video is made to show how the choked polygon version of the Lothar Walther barrel performs with varoius ammo. So not nessecarily a video that shows what I/my gun is capeable of when tuned to perfection with my prefered barrel and ammo. I will advice you to go through my videos and get a picture of my general results. And after that compare to whatever shooter that you are refering to. And remember that I show 5 shot groups at 100 m - not hunting videos with one single lucky shot out of 50 off camera attempts....
I bet the drinkers out there will love this video, as that name for us Europeans sounds like shits port (port being the fortified red wine!)- as in from the back end!!!
@@VikingAirgunner Yes we are Testing Slugs from long Time In different Barrels we choose LW barrels And CZ Barrels ' ART Barrels Are the Best Alrounders For long Range If you ever Found ART barrel try that one as well
@@VikingAirgunner we starts from smooth twist barrel up to All STx and superior liners diffently we have to tested all barrels and liners in my experience solid barrels are always Good choice for any type of shooting or Hunting specially Hunting Because you have no chance to miss shot
@@FalconslugsPakistan Im sorry if I come out as defensive on this matter. There are saddly too many people who are caught up in this whole "we hate fx" without ever having shot an FX. My experience with FX liners are well documented here on my channel and I must admit that when the heavy liner came for 177 it was a totally different experience. So I hope that you have had the chance to test this one in 177. As for other calibers I cant say more than what anyone else can see. They seem to perform very well which is proven in many different competitions - and not only RMAC. So I have to say that the liners from FX are very capeable. But as for getting the best results in all barrels/liners it is about finding the right ammo and velocity. And if you learn how to tune a gun right you will get pretty good accuracy out of most guns. Even cheaper gun seems to get better and better - and what a good thing for the airgun world🙂 So with my best 5 shot group at 100 m being 8 mm with my M3, I tend to get a bit defensive when people say that fx liners are rubbish. I cant wait to see the results of my tests of both this choked and the newly arrived unchoked barrel 🤗 And even more excited to see how they perform at 100 m outdoors 😃 Thank you for sharing your experiences and giving me the details of your tests. Detailed comments are always welcome here on my channel 🙂 We learn from eachothers experiences 🤗
Nice ! Fint skyde-sted 🙂 Super at nogle er villige til at stille deres haller til rådighed (jeg har selv haft flere haller til disposition i årevis). Mvh Happy
Det giver bare et helt rent resultat. Udendørs kan et enkelt vindstød jo dreje resultatet af en video ret markant, så selvom distancen ikke er så lang, så giver det et rigtig godt billede. Venligst Peter P
Lothar Whalter its just amazing barrels i have a 7.92x39mm soviet cartridge barrel in 17.2 inch i think is that size i know it have at least 17 inches in a Czech Arms VZ. 58 and is just ridicolous accurate for that cartridge with S&B, Barnaul, Hinterberger, FMN, PPU all of this medium and high range ammo and its just great its capable of at least 1.5 moa at 100 meters or less i got 1.3 groups consistent at 2500 fts/sec a little bit more just 30 to 50 feet and the results are amazing far one of the best and the FNH barrels to great stuff a bit pricier but it worth it every pennie great quality manufecter. I hope LW make a 7.65x25mm Mauser barrel or a compact gun in the 100mm or 105mm barrels and a .30 Luger 7.85x21.59mm one of the best calibres for me old but gold they were develop in the golden age of transition in firearms to smokless powder and alot of testing was put on them and i hope the 8x33mm Kurz patrone could get in the future to mass prodution with higher pressure cartridges and new powders its just the perfect cartridge and a 8.25x23.50mm intermidiate cartridge neck down case from the .223 cal. But thats my dreams and Europe should develop a true intermidiate cartridge we have this capability in a 6.36x46.60mm cartridge with a load out of at 66.000 psi max and a 93 grain to 117 grains reaching the optimum weight and velocity going past that is going back a 90 to 110 grain bullet is proved to be the best weight to power ratio and case capacity to reach at least a decent velocity from a 16inch or 380mm to 420mm barrel lenght armies just have to stop this nonsense of 11inch barrels and even less its ridicolous a good barrel lenght have to be at least 400mm or 17.6 inch for good velocity and is not that big and a 6.36mm bullet in diameter seems to have great low drag and diameter to load decent 93 to 110 grains and thats all you need if a rifle go to that 900meters/sec or 3000ft/sec from a 17.6inch barrel with increase pressure but just mac 10% for barrel integraty and recoil but will be enough for a great cartridge for 50 years no big military experience company have done or a joint development from several institucions a new true intermidiate cartridge
You are a positive plus for the airgun community !
Thank you so much Christos 🙂
YES i've been shooting with LW polygonal barrel in .177 and i'm so impressed with its perfomance. The last group is awesome!! So tight at 61.
Wow, the Zan’s were outstanding! I love the idea of shooting indoor to get things perfected so outdoors it’s about reading the wind! Thanks for the video!
Thanks Pat 🙂
I was like a kid on Christmas when I was allowed in there 😃
Still dreaming of a 100 m indoor range 😂
Funny you say that about the indoor range.
I’m a member of a club that has a 50m indoor range twice a week.
And we can shoot at 100m indoor once a month at another club.
All good for testing and all.
And I dream of the outdoor range you have in the Forest. 🤗
You come to the Netherlands and I will bring you as a guest.
Then I come to Denmark as your guest 😉
@@nickvanderheijden5574 It sounds like a dream 😃
Dreams happen, would be an epic experience for both!
I’ve been to Denmark many times for holiday. (No country in the world has such an extensive network of holiday homes)
Wow, great video sir! You are quite fortunate to have this access for testing. We too are fortunate to see testing done in this environmentally friendly setting. Thank you & your friend! 👍
It almost seems unreal to have a the possibility - I will try to convince the guy that he should add 40 m 😃😜
Amazing channel. I love these types of videos. Testing different types of things (in this case barrels) really helps others in the airgun community.
Thanks brother. God bless you.
Thank you very much. Comments like yours really means alot to me and my motivation to keep going 🙂
Thanks for the video, what a great indoor facility.👍👍
Great video ! Thank you for sharing and that was an awesome group !
Thanks Vince 🤗
Stay tuned for 3 more tests 😎
Fantastic Video! I fitted the LW Classic Barrel 1:17.7 twist! ZAN 13gr at 840fps also 9mm group at 40m… Thank you for sharing… If I was not camera shy I would like to post a video also…
Thanks for sharing your experiences 🤗
And nice to know that there are more velocities for accuracy 👍👍👍
And dont be shy 😃 All info is valueable ☝️☝️
gracias ,trato de no perder ningunos de tus testing con los m3 a .177 in ,jejejeje gracias por todo
Nice job on the barrel, testing, and video. Thank you.
Excellent test! It's something I always wanted to see. How does an impact behave with a LW. What would be very good to see would be a versus in the same conditions of a liner versus a lw. congratulations, friend!
Thank you so much buddy 🙂
I will make this test with both choked and unchoked, and at the end I will make a conclusion 🙂
I am as excited as anybody else 😃
Really enjoy your content Peter. Keep up the great and interesting content! Thank you.
Thanks buddy 🙂
The unchoked barrel has just been finished today, so next videos are very close now 😎😃
@@VikingAirgunner Excellent! Really looking forward to the comparison and summing up. I have a feeling that the unchoked barrel may actually be better for you. Chokes are a bit of myth and really not required in my opinion, especially for slugs. I'm led to believe it may of been Weihrauch that discovered it by chance when they applied the pressed dovetails to the end of the barrel to fit the open fore sight, this process choked the barrel slightly and they found it made the barrel less pellet fussy. Theoben then started to do it to their barrels with gland clamp machine. If you have a well formed barrel with decent Crowning on the muzzle you don't need a Choke.
Take care Peter. All the best. Neil.🙂
@@kiteboardkid I didnt know that ☝️☝️
I will let the tests tell me what is the best. I will do the test in the exact same way as with the choked, so I guess we will know very soon 😃
@@VikingAirgunner Always looking forward to see your next videos. Fingers crossed to finding perfection! 🙂 You are like me Peter, always striving to improve the M3. Thank you for all the effort you put in and taking time to film and share it. 💯👍🏼👊🏼
Excellent video Peter - quite amazing result with Zans, despite no harmonic tuner etc. I think I'd spend half my time looking at the machinery & the parts, and half my time shooting - if I was allowed in there 😀
It is such a cool place 😃😎 Going again tomorrow so have that Christmas feeling inside right now 😜😂
Very good video ! That was very nice of your friend to allow you to shoot indoor. What make if your single shot loader ?
Thanks buddy 🙂
I think I got it from Huma-Air. Works really well!
I have a TJ barrel and a Lathor Walther barrel in .357. I went with the TJ barrel, but no choke because....well, there was no reason just went with it first. The difference was felt and saw immediately at the range. It didn't matter what I shot in it. Groups were tight at all ranges. I need to find someone to turn my LW barrel. I'm looking forward to seeing what it can do.
With a 357 I would not image that a choke would do anything good. I dont really want to predict the outcom of the test of the heavier slugs, but I would not be surprised to see them being outperformed by the lighter slugs.
So also very exciting to see how the unchoked version performs - just recieved it today 😃
@VikingAirgunner at that time, the Mk2 had just come out and choked is the only thing out. Yes, the accuracy was horrible. The TJ barrel I have in it now is a 1: 16 twist rate, good for light heavy to heavy slugs. Twist rate.
Awesome rang. As always, I enjoyed your video. Zan slugs? Enough said.
Thanks Raymond 🤗
Excellent Effort 🎉 Thank you!
At 9:47 most hospitals used that type of filing cabinet system to store medical records....years before electronic medical records. Also at 11:37 your trigger looks like it would fire the gun if a gnat landed on it.
The modified trigger gives it a very light break and the ball on it makes me connect perfectly to the shot. I will follow me to the M4 no matter how good the new trigger is 😃
16:10 are U kidding me ???? Those are dangerous precise !!
Awesome video and awesome results!!!!! Those 13grainers are like a laser beam!! Can’t wait to see what you can achieve with the heavier slugs!!
In the process of having an 800mm TJ slug barrel & shroud machined for my .30 caliber Vulcan 3. It’s either going to be EPIC!! or an expensive failure LOL!!! Crossing my fingers!
I just wish that there were more videos like this out there with all the different barrels! No bs just pure results so people dont have to make these expensive failures 😃
But luckily so far it seems to be a good investment - looking so much forward to tomorrow where Im testing the heavier slugs!!
And the unchoked version just arrived today 😜😎🤗
@@VikingAirgunner well thank god for guys like you!! Your videos are very well done and super informative!!! One of these days I’ll join you and become a real UA-camr LOL!!! my channel to total shit LOL…. just need to take a day and actually learn how to edit. And put multiple clips into one video.
@@Oregon-airguns Thank you so much for your positive comment buddy 🤗 Very much appreciated 🙂
Just go ahead and do some videos. If you have some good content the rest is not that important. Practice and you will learn 🤗
For editing Im using an open source editing program Shotcut. Easy to use and lots of tuturials on UA-cam 🤗
Finally we see some important stuff!!!!! Did U shoot some Diabolos at that range???? NICE Vid !!!!!
Thank you Carsten 🙂
I actually dont shoot pellets, but never say never 😃
Hello Peter,
Your videos are great and very informative.
I also shoot Slugs from a Lothar-Walther Polygon barrel without a choke and am very happy with it.
I now have the opportunity to buy a Polygon barrel with a choke and wanted to ask you whether this makes sense and whether the accuracy might be even better as a result.
Of course I would have to test it out, but I am still interested in whether a choke is an improvement.
Best regards
Andy
Great Videos always, I like your approach, passion, and methodology!. It would be very interesting to test this Barrel with heavier slugs?
Thank you so much Tony 🤗
I am filming the next video tomorrow with 15 gr NSA and the 16 gr from ZAN and H&N, so you will get the results in two weeks when the video will hopefully be released 😎
Looks pretty spectacular to me.
I’m sorry if I missed it but I’m curious what your “base” settings (reg, macro/micro, valve) are, and how you adjust velocity during these tests. I assume just with the micro but….thankx! I have learned a lot from you!
Same here 😃 Used the methods that I explain in my tuning videos 😇
Follow that method and you will learn the basics 🙂
Awesome video. I saw that you chose the polygon style choked barrel. Now I wonder how a polygon unchoked, 12 groove choked, 12 groove unchoked would have done in comparison. I might say its a moot point considering the great results you got with the poly unchoked barrel. But doesn't it make you wonder? Lol. I do! As always, thanks for sharing all the data that you do. Much appreciated.
It actually made me wonder so much that I ordered the unchoked version and recieved it yesterday 😃 I was really conflicted about which one to get, so I cant wait to start testing that one in the exact same way 🤓
I am pretty sure though that I will stop there. So no 12 grooves saddly. Buying the barrel and paying more than the cost of that to get it machined... Im not that big of a UA-camr 😃😂
As always - thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts Joshua 🤗
Hello, why don’t you try hn 20 grain slugs. I have very good results with them on dreamline power pup with weihrauch 177 barrel. According to my experience the slug barrels with twist around 1:17 the longer and heavier slug the better result.
I have never had any good results with the slugs from H&N in any barrel or in any weight, but I am happy that they work well for you in the Weihrauch barrel 🙂
Thank you for sharing your experience 🙂
The ZANs are also ok in the weihrauch barrel but the heavier ones - 20 grains. I’m getting better results with free floating conventional barrels (also tried with alfa precision one but in 5,5)
Admirations for your videos- very useful for everyone who loves the .177 caliber :)
Can you show us what you did to the breech end of the barrel? Did you machine it with a port and grooves for orings or did you machine it to accept the original or the Huma Air port, please show us what and how you did it
Hi Michael
I will hopefully have the new barrel machined in a few days and I will make sure to take pictures and document it when I post the first video of the unchoked barrel 🙂
But basically it is made exactly as the original barrel inlet 🙂
What speed are you shooting the 13 grain Zan slugs.
its really nice 2 see your videos, interesting and getting knowledge about .177 cal, but from the last 30 years i dont shoot below 10shoots min sir, thanks, i have made some videos my self on fx impact .22 fac and .25cal
Did you see my video on M3 vs Panthera long range? I actually shot 14 shot groups at 100 m in that one🙂
Most say that I do like shooting 5 shot groups better. Also makes me able to compare my previous results to what I do now 🙂
I guess its a matter of taste - but then again never say never 😃
Thanks for sharing your experiences and thoughts 🤗
i wish to talk 2 u line and share our knowdlidege with each other, so we can do better sir
@@VikingAirgunner yes sir, and i have the same comments, its not my cup of tea panthera.hope u understand my thoughts,,,pls dont mind
@@VikingAirgunner well, in my videos i shoot 15+ shoots to see how bad my groups can get, but most people dont understand, unsorted pellets and slugs, just see my tune 4 the pellets or slugs sir, hope u understand my feelings and thoughts 4 the game,,,a group should b repeatable in the same condestions
Where did you get the single shot loader. First time I've seen the particular type.
Its from Huma-Air 👍👍
I got two guns with same barrel as you. 177 LW polygonal choked barrel 60.5 cm. Both guns loves the newer NSA 15gr (950 - 975 fps). Newer nsa has different shape than the older one, but still weights the same.
Also, did you season your barrel when you switch between different slugs? I found seasoning the barrel can drastically increase the grouping size. Some guns or slugs only need 5-10 shots with newer ammo until groups good, some needs 50-100 shots, some also needs pristine clean barrel without any old ammo materials left in the barrel.
Thank you so much for sharing your experiences 🤗👍👍
Your input based on your experience is dynamite info 😎
I did shoot some shots in between the different slugs and started out with a clean barrel. Didnt clean during the test, but with the 13 gr ZAN at the end I dont think it was needed.
I have different input regarding when to clean the barrel, so I stick to aprox 200 shots max and then shooting some shots before expecting accuracy again 🙂
I will film the next part of the video today, so the 15 gr NSA will be tested 😎 Been shooting it alot in the past - super ammo 👍👍
The video is very impressive, my impact has never been very precise at low powers, the liners are not suitable.
Where can you get one of those barrels for 4.5?. Thank you in advance.
If you havent seen my two tuning videos you should take the time. It tells you exactly how to tune your M3 in two different ways - and here you can see what kind of results you can expect 🙂
Link in describtion
Thanks for sharing 👍
Great video. I really enjoy all yours. I only shoot pellets are pellets going by the wayside? Well thanks again and keep up the great work. By the way you will never be called a cheat.
Thank you Steven 🙂
I havent shot pellets for a long time since my main focus is the longer distances. And with a 177 it becomes quite difficult with pellets.
But I still think there is a place for pellets. In the bigger calibers they are stabile much further out than in 177, so they can easily be shot at 100 m.
I do have an idea of getting a gun for pellets at some point. This for distances at max 50 m 🙂
@@VikingAirgunner Thank you for your advice. It gives me food for thought.
Where did you get that barrel from can you send me the link.. I love to get one
Watch the video again 😉
Very nice. Not as expensive as i thought it would be!😊
Hi Peter. Very interesting video. I wish i could order a LW liner😢 Could you please tell me how much for everything in this liner? Have a nice day😊
/Rolf
Hi Rolf.
I want to make sure that I understand you correctly - Do you mean the price of barrel and what more? 🤔
Price of the barrel is listed on the webpage in the link. Apart from that you need a transfer port and ofcause the machining 🙂
Awesome video! Where can I order one of those solid barrels?
Thanks man 🙂
There is a link in the discription 😎
I have a LCS SK-19 in .25 caliber but can not find a slug that the LW Polygonal choked barrel likes. It shoots FX 34 grain pellets @ 960 FPS lights out but no luck with slugs sir. Do you have any suggestions on a slug that may work? It seems to me that the slugs from JSB and NSA .250 dia not only fit loose in the magazine but also in the barrel and give me a shotgun pattern even at 25 yards at any speed. The gun is a MOA @ 100 gun with FX pellets but doing pest control the pests see my truck and run or fly away to 150 yards and farther. I need a slug to make my customers happy. Can you help sir?
My experience with other calibers than 177 is unfortunately limited, so I cant really say anything specific to help you.
I have a feeling that the bigger calibers are less sensitive to slugs, so your challenge surprises me.
First of all make sure that you have covered a big span of velocity testing, but I sense that you have done this all ready.
My limited experience with LW has shown that the choked polygon version likes slugs from ZAN, and maybe a lighter slug bcs of the choke? So without presenting you with a certain solution, I will suggest testing those.
Best regards
Peter
Hi!! Are those barrels already compatible with the m3 or is it necessary to customize them? I didnt have time to see the entire video yet so im sorry if im asking a dumb question😅
also it looks like the barrels are 16mm diameter, while the outer diameter of the barrel cover is only around 14 (at least for my 5.5mm), how is this supposed to be mounted? thanks!
Well I think that you should take the time to watch the whole video then 😉
Thanks for the effort but really only matters if comparing between LW and FX barrels.
In this first part of the test is is all about testing the different slugs in different versions of the barrels to find the best match, so when the testing is complete the gun will be tested properly at 100 m outdoors so the results can be compared with what I have previously shot with the 700 mm heavy liner 🙂
Does anyone know the thread size for the brass transfer port to screw onto.
Its 1x12 🙂
where i can order this lw blanks?
Watch the video
thanks very much. @@VikingAirgunner
Not at all surprised by the accuracy of the ZAN slugs.
I use the 23grn 5,5mm slugs. I used to weigh them all, just to be sure.
They are the most consistent slugs I have ever seen.
At most a 1/10th grain difference between them.
While H&N or JSB have some times several with a difference of a whole grain.
That is way too much and not acceptable I think.
ZAN all the way!
( love the channel btw)
It just shows that they are professionally made😎👍
Very excited for the ELR to arrive 😃
You need to try the 20 grains now 😃
First up is the 15 and 16 gr, so maybe later 😃
Very good using a broom
how to order ser that gun...my dream airgun 🔫
Google is your friend
That zan group at 60 was tight.
Made me put on my Happy Face 😃
@@VikingAirgunner I bet it did. Excellent group. Very nice lace you’ve managed to get for testing.
well, hello sir nice 2 see your new experiment in door, but if u dont mind u should have tried 5 shoots plus+ ,i think so, if u dont mind sir, it would have been more better in my thoughts, hope u will give it try, pls dont mind , thanks
Muy,muy bueno.
So you dident try any of the heavier slugs this time ?
Not that i think it will be any better.
No this video was about slugs in the 13 gr range as I say in the video. Next video will be featuring the 15 and 16 gr slugs - as I also say in the video.
@@VikingAirgunner 🙂 I watched your video on mute as i was listening to another one, so only heard a bit of it before i muted you.
Im not good at multitasking.
@@peashooter950 well then I will recommend you to watch it again - Im actually pretty interesting 😜😂
👍🏻😊
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Well if it is about who has the better accuracy, I think you misunderstand the purpose of this test... This video is made to show how the choked polygon version of the Lothar Walther barrel performs with varoius ammo. So not nessecarily a video that shows what I/my gun is capeable of when tuned to perfection with my prefered barrel and ammo.
I will advice you to go through my videos and get a picture of my general results. And after that compare to whatever shooter that you are refering to. And remember that I show 5 shot groups at 100 m - not hunting videos with one single lucky shot out of 50 off camera attempts....
I bet the drinkers out there will love this video, as that name for us Europeans sounds like shits port (port being the fortified red wine!)- as in from the back end!!!
😂
LW barrel and CZ barrel are much better then Fx liner due to some reasons As we know better🤣
And I assume that you base your comment on your own extensive research and testing of both types of barrels...
@@VikingAirgunner Yes we are Testing Slugs from long Time In different Barrels we choose LW barrels And CZ Barrels ' ART Barrels Are the Best Alrounders For long Range
If you ever Found ART barrel try that one as well
@@FalconslugsPakistan So you have also been testing fx liners?
@@VikingAirgunner we starts from smooth twist barrel up to All STx and superior liners diffently we have to tested all barrels and liners in my experience solid barrels are always Good choice for any type of shooting or Hunting specially Hunting Because you have no chance to miss shot
@@FalconslugsPakistan Im sorry if I come out as defensive on this matter. There are saddly too many people who are caught up in this whole "we hate fx" without ever having shot an FX.
My experience with FX liners are well documented here on my channel and I must admit that when the heavy liner came for 177 it was a totally different experience. So I hope that you have had the chance to test this one in 177.
As for other calibers I cant say more than what anyone else can see. They seem to perform very well which is proven in many different competitions - and not only RMAC.
So I have to say that the liners from FX are very capeable.
But as for getting the best results in all barrels/liners it is about finding the right ammo and velocity. And if you learn how to tune a gun right you will get pretty good accuracy out of most guns. Even cheaper gun seems to get better and better - and what a good thing for the airgun world🙂
So with my best 5 shot group at 100 m being 8 mm with my M3, I tend to get a bit defensive when people say that fx liners are rubbish.
I cant wait to see the results of my tests of both this choked and the newly arrived unchoked barrel 🤗
And even more excited to see how they perform at 100 m outdoors 😃
Thank you for sharing your experiences and giving me the details of your tests.
Detailed comments are always welcome here on my channel 🙂
We learn from eachothers experiences 🤗
Nice !
Fint skyde-sted 🙂
Super at nogle er villige til at stille deres haller til rådighed (jeg har selv haft flere haller til disposition i årevis).
Mvh Happy
Det giver bare et helt rent resultat. Udendørs kan et enkelt vindstød jo dreje resultatet af en video ret markant, så selvom distancen ikke er så lang, så giver det et rigtig godt billede.
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Lothar Whalter its just amazing barrels i have a 7.92x39mm soviet cartridge barrel in 17.2 inch i think is that size i know it have at least 17 inches in a Czech Arms VZ. 58 and is just ridicolous accurate for that cartridge with S&B, Barnaul, Hinterberger, FMN, PPU all of this medium and high range ammo and its just great its capable of at least 1.5 moa at 100 meters or less i got 1.3 groups consistent at 2500 fts/sec a little bit more just 30 to 50 feet and the results are amazing far one of the best and the FNH barrels to great stuff a bit pricier but it worth it every pennie great quality manufecter. I hope LW make a 7.65x25mm Mauser barrel or a compact gun in the 100mm or 105mm barrels and a .30 Luger 7.85x21.59mm one of the best calibres for me old but gold they were develop in the golden age of transition in firearms to smokless powder and alot of testing was put on them and i hope the 8x33mm Kurz patrone could get in the future to mass prodution with higher pressure cartridges and new powders its just the perfect cartridge and a 8.25x23.50mm intermidiate cartridge neck down case from the .223 cal. But thats my dreams and Europe should develop a true intermidiate cartridge we have this capability in a 6.36x46.60mm cartridge with a load out of at 66.000 psi max and a 93 grain to 117 grains reaching the optimum weight and velocity going past that is going back a 90 to 110 grain bullet is proved to be the best weight to power ratio and case capacity to reach at least a decent velocity from a 16inch or 380mm to 420mm barrel lenght armies just have to stop this nonsense of 11inch barrels and even less its ridicolous a good barrel lenght have to be at least 400mm or 17.6 inch for good velocity and is not that big and a 6.36mm bullet in diameter seems to have great low drag and diameter to load decent 93 to 110 grains and thats all you need if a rifle go to that 900meters/sec or 3000ft/sec from a 17.6inch barrel with increase pressure but just mac 10% for barrel integraty and recoil but will be enough for a great cartridge for 50 years no big military experience company have done or a joint development from several institucions a new true intermidiate cartridge