That number 6 sounds like my 1967 ludwig Snare. The kits in this video sound great! The toms seemed to have really i.oro ed from the TD 50 and 50X , snares too
At 13K here in the frozen tundra, that's crazy! These look amazing and your vid is one of the better ones when it comes to showcasing how this actually sounds. So many others just wank and show off 'playing fast' which just results in really bad sound and machine-gunning effect. Stellar overview too, very well put together video. I still think the EFnote, Mimic and Alesis modules sound better. Maybe some of the sound packs with DW's better sounding kits will fix it. BTW, can L&M become an EFNote dealer please? 🙂
Where is the DWE wireless tech you acquired? I have a dwe is so freeing having no wires, also the module screen is underwhelming, roland could do better imo
I have been targeting the DWe since I first saw it, but have had a difficult time finding a fully functional set to play. There was always something wrong with the set @ the Guitar Center. Sometimes more than one thing. How is yours? I had a feeling that part of the problem was the software wasn't fully functional because it was for the store, not the buyer. Please let me know how you like it because I was seriously considering changing over to the 716. The metal cymbals were also a drawback to me.
Doing the wireless thing would cannibalize the dwe sell. That would not be a smart move. They are differentiating to have covered all of the high range. You can ave the dwe kit and the module, but will work together with a probably future update. As now, you can have the best shells with wireless technology or the newer module without them.
@@thomascardillo7099 The triggering is not as exceptional as Rolands, but what I did is I bought a kick, a tom and a floor tom to add to my TD-27, is the best of both worlds right now, I would not trade my kit for this 716. The roland snare, hi hat, and ryde are a must have, from dwe you will want the kick and floor tom. I do not have any problems with software at all, everything works great, roland and pads are more sensitive for rolls but that is it. if DWE had rubber cymbals it would be absolutely the best kit ever in e-drums
How is the rim shot ? I have the TD27 and digital snare and it's hard to get that high pitched reggae rim shot like on acoustic snares. Like: deep rim shot where you hit the head close to the center, while also hitting the rim, compared to holding your stick higher above at an angle, and hitting really close on the rim on the head while also hitting the rim at the same time, which on acoustic, gives you that high pitched harmonic that I love. Is this possible on the V71 and snare ? Also, is that snare compatible with the TD27 module ? I'd imagine they'd have to update the TD27 module to be able to use it on that module... That's what I'm most interested in, better hardware to module response so it's even more like acoustic drums. Also...lol Sorry, I know this is getting long, but, is there a bell zone on the digital hi hat on the V71 module ? That's another thing that would be nice to have too that I can't get on the TD27 and digital hi hat... GREAT explanation on the set !!! Nice playing too !!!!!! THANKS !!!!! Have a great day ! :-)
Yeah, the snare is the only new piece of hardware. Are the strainers the only real upgrade to the snare ? Is the positional sensing any different ? I live in Pennsylvania, so I'll doubt they'll be a Music Store that has the V71 to go look at....lol
very thankful that someone finally took some time to talk about the module itself instead of blowing their load spewing on about drum workshop downloads....
You're welcome!! We wanted to look at the kit in it's default state right out of the box, and then look at the expandability options later. We're glad you appreciate our approach!
@@longandmcquadeabsolutely appreciated. i literally watched every thing that came across my search on day one and just found you folks review last night. literally no one else has done any type of discussion about the triple layers or fx busses. keep up the good work!
This is a fantastic kit, and it does what it does VERY well. What it doesn't do very well is fit into an apartment, both in terms of physical size and noise level. We'd really recommend you check out our latest V-Drums video on the VQD kit for what we'd recommend for an apartment: ua-cam.com/video/wB4uy8-1EkY/v-deo.html
I really don't understand how someone makes a comment regarding the sound quality of a module based on a youtube video with no reference to what they listed with (headphones) but they are “experts” after all.
Default presets on roland modules have compression/mix/dynamics that would generally work well in a modern music mix, but solo they do sound over processed and lack realism that I think alot of people are listening for in high end electronic drums. Even the TD-07 module can be made to sound much better than the default presets with a little tweaking. A good addition on the high end modules would be a dynamics or compression knob so you can dial it in and quickly remove it from the presets.
There are four additional "AUX" inputs that you can connect more pads to. These inputs can be programmed to any sound you'd like - cymbals, snares, toms, percussion etc. So if you want to add up to 4 more cymbals to this particular setup, you can.
@@milesgibbons9287 oh tnx for the info...looking forward to see the demo here in long and mcquade edmonton..i was thinking of buying this new vad series or the previous 706 series..but there is a lot changes in the module in the new one especially the dw kits..can you do a a comparison review for the 2 series kits?thnk you in advance
It's an excellent battery! However, the sound of the Pearl Mimic Pro remains unbeatable! This Roland module still has a processed keyboard sound! Fact!
I guess it is just a matter, once again, of peesonal preference. I left Rolands kits ans Modules in 2012 ir so . Td 30 being the last one, because I didnt like the sounds.! But this module sounds better to me than the 50 or 50x! Some like jt some dont! That's what makes the world go round! I am not sure why some get so nasty with their comments I am not going to buy this kit because I play drums as a hobby and dont need to make that much of an investment for my purposes!
I was so hopeful but by 0:45 I became sure this doesn’t sound as good (by that I mean convincing) as the Strata Prime with BFD3 in the module. Nice try Roland. I had hoped for more. :(
@@christopherpederson1021totally agree. And doesn’t have near the necessary outputting capabilities for recording/live use that this does. And I hate to say it, but the BFD software is TRASH. Plus, just to correct for others reading, the strata prime doesn’t have the bfd software in the module, the module has the factory stock kits, the bfd software is separate and external. The factory sounds are much better and more responsive anyway. Unless they have updated the software since I had the strata when it first came out, the bfd software was next to useless. I’m not a huge fan of Roland, but this kit sounds better and has a lot better features. It’s also over twice the price so it should be. But I’m team efnote all day.
Bfd (3) does sound better than what im hearing here, but when Ive played the strata it does not sound as good as what I hear when I play even my td50 with bfd3 set to full detail. (Bfd player is a light version so it's not the quite same thing as bfd3) I think it's possible the the bfd version used in strata doesn't have the full detail preset that is available in the full brown bfd3 vst. Also the digital pads are better triggers than those in the strata. With that said, I would imagine this probably has a lot more dynamic nuance, when one is seated on the kit, which matters more than the quality of the samples anyways. As to the bfd sucks comments. BFD3 software (not bfd player) sounds better than superior drummer 3 even. It just sucks it's buggy as hell.
To Nick’s comment, the Strata Prime has the BFD3 engine built into the module. Maybe you are confusing this with another kit. From the Alesis website: ‘The sound experience is driven by the legendary BFD drum engine and controlled by a 10.1” touch screen that delivers intuitive navigation, editing, mixing of kits - and recording studio level sound, previously only available on high-powered desktop computers.’ To Andy’s comment, the hardware is for sure better with Roland. And road-worthy to the max, no doubt. I find the Strata Prime’s built-in module BFD3 sounds more convincing than this demo. I appreciate your sharing your thoughts on the Strata module vs the desktop BFD VST. Cheers. I sold my V-Drums and am using acoustic Yammy drums again. I enjoy my Wavedrum and its hybrid approach w/ DSP on acoustic input. But for kit playing, I don’t want to play edrums for a while; at least not until manufacturers figure out how to get far better articulation response and dynamics response. I mean, how about the fact that on any of these kits the stick bead shape and material makes no difference to the timbre of the sound - that is tough to swallow, especially regarding cymbals. Perhaps I was too hard on this kit. The innovation with the strainer and the nuances of tweaking the drum sounds are great. But that doesn’t help address the issues that are still there-capturing more player dynamics… not just those within a velocity window narrower than the player brings and ignoring articulations and stick/sticking characteristics. E-cymbals-particularly crashes-are just not there yet either… I think that’s what ultimately ruffled my feathers at the start of the video.
Im sure the dynamics might be able to be adjusted but as it is in the video it sounds bad, dynamics wise and generally sound wise. It sounds kind of cheesy - eq wise as well. There are other videos such as the one on Roland Channel where it sounds like individual drums were mixed well and that sounds like what may be needed.
The dynamics and EQ were left at default, and you're correct it can be adjusted. Most of the demos are of the preset kits recorded direct from the module. We believe this is an honest representation of what customers can expect to hear when they take it out of the box and play it for the first time.
@@GlenMosley Correct - that said, as mentioned in the video you can EQ and compress the drum sounds in multiple phases, and for professional recording\live situations, you can send up to 10 outputs from the module. As L&M mentioned, this video is intended mostly to show you the drum kit in its default state. I recommend checking the kit out - I think you'll be impressed!
It's not necessarily in what music you want natural, [I get what your saying]it's that you want natural raw sound options without roland processing, it would have been great to have an on and off button to remove all roland processing to hear the raw drum sound then sound Engineers could actually shape the drum on the mixer EQ and Dynamics to make the drums sit in the mix for live use. Then if you're looking for that Roland Sound you can hit a button and turn it back on and mix for hours or even days to try to set up a kit just to find out you still can't get the sound you want the way you would want it. With that being said the new module does sound better. I would say 15% better over td50x, at least until you load one of the DW soundwork kits then it's more like 50% better, which kind of makes it self-explanatory what happens when you get more of a raw drum sound mix that maybe has a little bit of ambience mixed in or not and what people love so much, that's why Easy Drummer is so popular because of the raw sounds. IMHO. I have used Roland drums for the past 15 almost 20 years with a few different modules all the way back from the td6 up to the TD 50x for Live use and it fits the need in some cases especially when running through a VST then it becomes a beast. But of course I always love using acoustic drums as well for live, they just give you that sound pressure level in your face feel that electronics can't give.
That number 6 sounds like my 1967 ludwig Snare. The kits in this video sound great! The toms seemed to have really i.oro ed from the TD 50 and 50X , snares too
At 13K here in the frozen tundra, that's crazy! These look amazing and your vid is one of the better ones when it comes to showcasing how this actually sounds. So many others just wank and show off 'playing fast' which just results in really bad sound and machine-gunning effect. Stellar overview too, very well put together video. I still think the EFnote, Mimic and Alesis modules sound better. Maybe some of the sound packs with DW's better sounding kits will fix it. BTW, can L&M become an EFNote dealer please? 🙂
Superb video ! 👏
Thanks for the detailed video!
Glad it was helpful!
Great video!
Thanks!
INSANE!!!
What!? Lol kit looks great whats your problem with me...gawd the internet cant like anything
@@snaven921sorry, the comment was meant for the comment below yours but it wouldn't allow me to delete
I think this module sounds better than the 50.
That's what we thought as well.
All this makes me want to buy the efnote
Where is the DWE wireless tech you acquired? I have a dwe is so freeing having no wires, also the module screen is underwhelming, roland could do better imo
I have been targeting the DWe since I first saw it, but have had a difficult time finding a fully functional set to play. There was always something wrong with the set @ the Guitar Center. Sometimes more than one thing. How is yours? I had a feeling that part of the problem was the software wasn't fully functional because it was for the store, not the buyer. Please let me know how you like it because I was seriously considering changing over to the 716. The metal cymbals were also a drawback to me.
Doing the wireless thing would cannibalize the dwe sell.
That would not be a smart move.
They are differentiating to have covered all of the high range.
You can ave the dwe kit and the module, but will work together with a probably future update.
As now, you can have the best shells with wireless technology or the newer module without them.
@@thomascardillo7099 The triggering is not as exceptional as Rolands, but what I did is I bought a kick, a tom and a floor tom to add to my TD-27, is the best of both worlds right now, I would not trade my kit for this 716. The roland snare, hi hat, and ryde are a must have, from dwe you will want the kick and floor tom. I do not have any problems with software at all, everything works great, roland and pads are more sensitive for rolls but that is it. if DWE had rubber cymbals it would be absolutely the best kit ever in e-drums
the DWe hub plugs right in to the digital trigger ins and you can go wild
Sounds great
How is the rim shot ?
I have the TD27 and digital snare and it's hard to get that high pitched reggae rim shot like on acoustic snares.
Like: deep rim shot where you hit the head close to the center, while also hitting the rim, compared to holding your stick higher above at an angle, and hitting really close on the rim on the head while also hitting the rim at the same time, which on acoustic, gives you that high pitched harmonic that I love.
Is this possible on the V71 and snare ?
Also, is that snare compatible with the TD27 module ?
I'd imagine they'd have to update the TD27 module to be able to use it on that module...
That's what I'm most interested in, better hardware to module response so it's even more like acoustic drums.
Also...lol
Sorry, I know this is getting long, but, is there a bell zone on the digital hi hat on the V71 module ?
That's another thing that would be nice to have too that I can't get on the TD27 and digital hi hat...
GREAT explanation on the set !!!
Nice playing too !!!!!!
THANKS !!!!!
Have a great day !
:-)
It have the same digital hi hat from td27kv2. The snare is just update looks and new strainer it seems
Yeah, the snare is the only new piece of hardware.
Are the strainers the only real upgrade to the snare ?
Is the positional sensing any different ?
I live in Pennsylvania, so I'll doubt they'll be a Music Store that has the V71 to go look at....lol
nice drummin!
very thankful that someone finally took some time to talk about the module itself instead of blowing their load spewing on about drum workshop downloads....
You're welcome!! We wanted to look at the kit in it's default state right out of the box, and then look at the expandability options later. We're glad you appreciate our approach!
@@longandmcquadeabsolutely appreciated. i literally watched every thing that came across my search on day one and just found you folks review last night. literally no one else has done any type of discussion about the triple layers or fx busses. keep up the good work!
What percentage of drummers play in live bands using full ekits?
Is this kit suitable for an apartment, or does it make as much noise as a regular acoustic kit ?
This is a fantastic kit, and it does what it does VERY well. What it doesn't do very well is fit into an apartment, both in terms of physical size and noise level. We'd really recommend you check out our latest V-Drums video on the VQD kit for what we'd recommend for an apartment: ua-cam.com/video/wB4uy8-1EkY/v-deo.html
I really don't understand how someone makes a comment regarding the sound quality of a module based on a youtube video with no reference to what they listed with (headphones) but they are “experts” after all.
ignorance
It always cracks me up the pro's on UA-cam. I have not seen the "Machine Gun" comment yet.
Default kits on every Roland sound like a*s, compressed and robotic. It needs tweaking on the trigger settings and layering to sound decent.
Default presets on roland modules have compression/mix/dynamics that would generally work well in a modern music mix, but solo they do sound over processed and lack realism that I think alot of people are listening for in high end electronic drums. Even the TD-07 module can be made to sound much better than the default presets with a little tweaking. A good addition on the high end modules would be a dynamics or compression knob so you can dial it in and quickly remove it from the presets.
I'm a mix engineer and this just isn't mixed well, and it reveals a very harsh General tone to the module sounds
Hi...how many cymbals ad ons can you put on that?thnks
There are four additional "AUX" inputs that you can connect more pads to. These inputs can be programmed to any sound you'd like - cymbals, snares, toms, percussion etc. So if you want to add up to 4 more cymbals to this particular setup, you can.
@@milesgibbons9287 oh tnx for the info...looking forward to see the demo here in long and mcquade edmonton..i was thinking of buying this new vad series or the previous 706 series..but there is a lot changes in the module in the new one especially the dw kits..can you do a a comparison review for the 2 series kits?thnk you in advance
By the way i currently ownd a vad 507 which i bought at long and mcquade highlands...im planning to upgrade
No more than 14
Good demo. Thanks for playing *the sounds* of the kit rather than all sorts of backing track cheese.
Thanks Darren, glad you enjoyed it!
It's an excellent battery! However, the sound of the Pearl Mimic Pro remains unbeatable! This Roland module still has a processed keyboard sound! Fact!
that was discontinued a while back
Sticking “fact” in the post doesn’t make it a fact, it’s intellectual laziness, prove it as a fact…which you can’t because it is not
Pearl mimic has no usb port lol it’s DOA. What a joke
I guess it is just a matter, once again, of peesonal preference. I left Rolands kits ans Modules in 2012 ir so . Td 30 being the last one, because I didnt like the sounds.! But this module sounds better to me than the 50 or 50x! Some like jt some dont! That's what makes the world go round! I am not sure why some get so nasty with their comments
I am not going to buy this kit because I play drums as a hobby and dont need to make that much of an investment for my purposes!
I was so hopeful but by 0:45 I became sure this doesn’t sound as good (by that I mean convincing) as the Strata Prime with BFD3 in the module. Nice try Roland. I had hoped for more. :(
Strata prime definitely does not sound better.
@@christopherpederson1021totally agree. And doesn’t have near the necessary outputting capabilities for recording/live use that this does. And I hate to say it, but the BFD software is TRASH. Plus, just to correct for others reading, the strata prime doesn’t have the bfd software in the module, the module has the factory stock kits, the bfd software is separate and external. The factory sounds are much better and more responsive anyway. Unless they have updated the software since I had the strata when it first came out, the bfd software was next to useless. I’m not a huge fan of Roland, but this kit sounds better and has a lot better features. It’s also over twice the price so it should be. But I’m team efnote all day.
Bfd (3) does sound better than what im hearing here, but when Ive played the strata it does not sound as good as what I hear when I play even my td50 with bfd3 set to full detail. (Bfd player is a light version so it's not the quite same thing as bfd3)
I think it's possible the the bfd version used in strata doesn't have the full detail preset that is available in the full brown bfd3 vst. Also the digital pads are better triggers than those in the strata. With that said, I would imagine this probably has a lot more dynamic nuance, when one is seated on the kit, which matters more than the quality of the samples anyways.
As to the bfd sucks comments. BFD3 software (not bfd player) sounds better than superior drummer 3 even. It just sucks it's buggy as hell.
To Nick’s comment, the Strata Prime has the BFD3 engine built into the module. Maybe you are confusing this with another kit.
From the Alesis website: ‘The sound experience is driven by the legendary BFD drum engine and controlled by a 10.1” touch screen that delivers intuitive navigation, editing, mixing of kits - and recording studio level sound, previously only available on high-powered desktop computers.’
To Andy’s comment, the hardware is for sure better with Roland. And road-worthy to the max, no doubt.
I find the Strata Prime’s built-in module BFD3 sounds more convincing than this demo. I appreciate your sharing your thoughts on the Strata module vs the desktop BFD VST. Cheers.
I sold my V-Drums and am using acoustic Yammy drums again. I enjoy my Wavedrum and its hybrid approach w/ DSP on acoustic input. But for kit playing, I don’t want to play edrums for a while; at least not until manufacturers figure out how to get far better articulation response and dynamics response.
I mean, how about the fact that on any of these kits the stick bead shape and material makes no difference to the timbre of the sound - that is tough to swallow, especially regarding cymbals.
Perhaps I was too hard on this kit. The innovation with the strainer and the nuances of tweaking the drum sounds are great. But that doesn’t help address the issues that are still there-capturing more player dynamics… not just those within a velocity window narrower than the player brings and ignoring articulations and stick/sticking characteristics.
E-cymbals-particularly crashes-are just not there yet either… I think that’s what ultimately ruffled my feathers at the start of the video.
It's a great module, no doubt, but soundwise is still far away from Mimic Pro. But is a good step forward comparing to the previous modules.
Im sure the dynamics might be able to be adjusted but as it is in the video it sounds bad, dynamics wise and generally sound wise. It sounds kind of cheesy - eq wise as well.
There are other videos such as the one on Roland Channel where it sounds like individual drums were mixed well and that sounds like what may be needed.
The dynamics and EQ were left at default, and you're correct it can be adjusted. Most of the demos are of the preset kits recorded direct from the module. We believe this is an honest representation of what customers can expect to hear when they take it out of the box and play it for the first time.
@@longandmcquade so that just means it was left and right stereo outs
@@GlenMosley Correct - that said, as mentioned in the video you can EQ and compress the drum sounds in multiple phases, and for professional recording\live situations, you can send up to 10 outputs from the module. As L&M mentioned, this video is intended mostly to show you the drum kit in its default state. I recommend checking the kit out - I think you'll be impressed!
bluetooth?
Yes.
I came from 2048 to tell you that Roland still sounds like a plastic toy
Acoustic kits sound like shit without processing not everyone likes a kick drum that sounds like a war drum
Overall impression, lots of gimmicky upgrades and the module still sound terrible.
For my ears it sounds better than the 50x. But less natural than an Efnote but in what music you just want "natural"?
It's not necessarily in what music you want natural, [I get what your saying]it's that you want natural raw sound options without roland processing, it would have been great to have an on and off button to remove all roland processing to hear the raw drum sound then sound Engineers could actually shape the drum on the mixer EQ and Dynamics to make the drums sit in the mix for live use. Then if you're looking for that Roland Sound you can hit a button and turn it back on and mix for hours or even days to try to set up a kit just to find out you still can't get the sound you want the way you would want it.
With that being said the new module does sound better. I would say 15% better over td50x, at least until you load one of the DW soundwork kits then it's more like 50% better, which kind of makes it self-explanatory what happens when you get more of a raw drum sound mix that maybe has a little bit of ambience mixed in or not and what people love so much, that's why Easy Drummer is so popular because of the raw sounds. IMHO.
I have used Roland drums for the past 15 almost 20 years with a few different modules all the way back from the td6 up to the TD 50x for Live use and it fits the need in some cases especially when running through a VST then it becomes a beast.
But of course I always love using acoustic drums as well for live, they just give you that sound pressure level in your face feel that electronics can't give.
indeed, but the problem is that the VQD106 is a SIGNIFICANT downgrade in every possible way, almost like a beginner practice kit :)
Sounds like crap
first play sound so bad 😂😂 whyy