When you combine kits in the v71 and sd3, the time-based processing (reverb, delay, echo) clash with one another. When you played the dry kit in sd3 and then combined with the v71, it sounded clear and clean to my ears. Great videos 👍
Great points. I literally just ‘spun the dial’. I didn’t predetermine which kits to match up. I was just trying to show the ‘what if’ opportunity. Thanks for the input.
I totally agree. As a listener I much prefer the VST or the module but not both. I have done the blending thing and for the reason Dennis described, had fun with that. However, I quickly learned that the module was giving me more up front punch because of the latency resulting from using the module as the audio interface. I definitely hear the latency coming from the VST following the module's sounds. If you get a super-fast AI, that latency goes away, and you'll have all the same fun but with better sounds.
@10:15 the phenomenon you're describing is slight latency when you say you don't hear that immediate "front attack" with your VST setup and you get that from the module. It's something you feel and perceive, but is really because your audio interface (in your case the module) is adding maybe 5-10 milliseconds to the time delay between hitting the drum pad and hearing the sound. If you have a serious audio interface with "very low latency", you will likely feel your VST sounds like you feel your module sounds, with plenty of instantaneous "attack". BTW don't trust what the DAW is telling you for latency based on your sample count. That's all on the front end of the audio path. That's ignoring sound generation at the Digital/Audio conversion which happens in the audio interface. You have to factor that in because it's the major source of latency. Of course, your perception is also dependent on whether you have loaded a punchy sound into the VST vs one with lots of overheads and room ambience. You want a dryer sound to do the comparison. I believe it's well worth it to get your latency down to a total of 5-8 msec, and the only way to do that is with a high-end AI, NOT from the module. You'll get a more realistic drumming experience; believe me - and you'll feel that "front attack" you describe here. After writing this I played further into your video. @14:30 I can hear the latency between your module and the VST being played into it. That tight "flam-like" sound IS EXACTLY latency. It's subtle but I can hear it. There's no doubt about it.
Thanks for the detailed feedback. I’m not using a DAW for my VST’s. I’m using them in stand alone mode. But I understand your point. I’ll reinvestigate using an interface. Thanks again.
When Dennis speaks, I listen. Thanks. Looking forward to your vid's about trigger settings and midi-ing modules together. You did not mention the use/need of your mixer (in other video seen) and that is also kind of an audio interface. Do you choose TD50X as midi preset when using your V71? I saw in the upgraded AD2 the possibility to choose 'TD50X digital instruments'
Thanks for the kind words. Truly appreciated! I’ll do the midi video next. I’ll do a vid on my mixer too. I thought about it further and I think the trigger settings has been covered thoroughly a few times: DrumAngle (link below in this video is extremely thorough), Justin/65 Drums has covered it and Luke/Edrum Workshop. Don’t think I can do it better than they have…just search ‘module trigger settings’ and that should do it. I don’t believe I need to assign midi when I’m just using both modules. The midi cable recognizes the connection. I do, however, have to select my V71 in my VST’s in the audio/midi settings. I can actually run both modules and my VST simultaneously because the 71 is connected to my laptop via usb and my modules are connected via a midi cable. That gives me even more sound/kit options.
@@dennisagresti9367 OK Dennis, I also choose V71 but I mean to trigger the right pads when hitting them, in SD3 or EZ3 there is not (yet) a V71 midi preset (there is TD50X and matches most). My question was, do you choose TD50X when using your V71 or do you let SD3/EZ3 'learn' each pad/cymbal?
@@Ludo_AAh, got it. Thought you were saying you were using an ATV AD module. You’re right…Toontrack doesn’t have the 71 listed. I looked to see if my software are the latest updates and they are. But the 71 is very similar to the 50X…14 total inputs including 3 digital usb inputs. When I connected my VST’s, which used to be connected to my 50X but is now connected to my 71, both Toontrack programs ‘recognized’ the 71, I assume because I had installed the driver from Roland into my laptop. Toontrack auto-mapped my pads identically as I had my 50X. I just had to select the 71 as my audio monitor and then I saved it as my ‘default’ set-up. Lemme know if that doesn’t answer your question
@@dennisagresti9367 Yep, that's it Dennis. (I have a Roland VAD 507 and replaced the DS snare with the new DSX and my TD27 with the V71. Also have the digi hihats and snare).
When you combine kits in the v71 and sd3, the time-based processing (reverb, delay, echo) clash with one another.
When you played the dry kit in sd3 and then combined with the v71, it sounded clear and clean to my ears.
Great videos 👍
Great points. I literally just ‘spun the dial’. I didn’t predetermine which kits to match up. I was just trying to show the ‘what if’ opportunity. Thanks for the input.
I totally agree. As a listener I much prefer the VST or the module but not both. I have done the blending thing and for the reason Dennis described, had fun with that. However, I quickly learned that the module was giving me more up front punch because of the latency resulting from using the module as the audio interface. I definitely hear the latency coming from the VST following the module's sounds. If you get a super-fast AI, that latency goes away, and you'll have all the same fun but with better sounds.
Youre absolute right... thx for the video
Thanks for watching and the comment. Appreciate it.
I use a 2015 MacBook Pro with 16GB of RAM - runs SD3 perfectly
@10:15 the phenomenon you're describing is slight latency when you say you don't hear that immediate "front attack" with your VST setup and you get that from the module. It's something you feel and perceive, but is really because your audio interface (in your case the module) is adding maybe 5-10 milliseconds to the time delay between hitting the drum pad and hearing the sound. If you have a serious audio interface with "very low latency", you will likely feel your VST sounds like you feel your module sounds, with plenty of instantaneous "attack". BTW don't trust what the DAW is telling you for latency based on your sample count. That's all on the front end of the audio path. That's ignoring sound generation at the Digital/Audio conversion which happens in the audio interface. You have to factor that in because it's the major source of latency. Of course, your perception is also dependent on whether you have loaded a punchy sound into the VST vs one with lots of overheads and room ambience. You want a dryer sound to do the comparison. I believe it's well worth it to get your latency down to a total of 5-8 msec, and the only way to do that is with a high-end AI, NOT from the module. You'll get a more realistic drumming experience; believe me - and you'll feel that "front attack" you describe here. After writing this I played further into your video. @14:30 I can hear the latency between your module and the VST being played into it. That tight "flam-like" sound IS EXACTLY latency. It's subtle but I can hear it. There's no doubt about it.
Thanks for the detailed feedback. I’m not using a DAW for my VST’s. I’m using them in stand alone mode. But I understand your point. I’ll reinvestigate using an interface. Thanks again.
When Dennis speaks, I listen. Thanks.
Looking forward to your vid's about trigger settings and midi-ing modules together.
You did not mention the use/need of your mixer (in other video seen) and that is also kind of an audio interface.
Do you choose TD50X as midi preset when using your V71?
I saw in the upgraded AD2 the possibility to choose 'TD50X digital instruments'
Thanks for the kind words. Truly appreciated! I’ll do the midi video next. I’ll do a vid on my mixer too.
I thought about it further and I think the trigger settings has been covered thoroughly a few times: DrumAngle (link below in this video is extremely thorough), Justin/65 Drums has covered it and Luke/Edrum Workshop. Don’t think I can do it better than they have…just search ‘module trigger settings’ and that should do it.
I don’t believe I need to assign midi when I’m just using both modules. The midi cable recognizes the connection. I do, however, have to select my V71 in my VST’s in the audio/midi settings. I can actually run both modules and my VST simultaneously because the 71 is connected to my laptop via usb and my modules are connected via a midi cable. That gives me even more sound/kit options.
@@dennisagresti9367 OK Dennis, I also choose V71 but I mean to trigger the right pads when hitting them, in SD3 or EZ3 there is not (yet) a V71 midi preset (there is TD50X and matches most). My question was, do you choose TD50X when using your V71 or do you let SD3/EZ3 'learn' each pad/cymbal?
@@Ludo_AAh, got it. Thought you were saying you were using an ATV AD module. You’re right…Toontrack doesn’t have the 71 listed. I looked to see if my software are the latest updates and they are. But the 71 is very similar to the 50X…14 total inputs including 3 digital usb inputs. When I connected my VST’s, which used to be connected to my 50X but is now connected to my 71, both Toontrack programs ‘recognized’ the 71, I assume because I had installed the driver from Roland into my laptop. Toontrack auto-mapped my pads identically as I had my 50X. I just had to select the 71 as my audio monitor and then I saved it as my ‘default’ set-up. Lemme know if that doesn’t answer your question
@@dennisagresti9367 Yep, that's it Dennis. (I have a Roland VAD 507 and replaced the DS snare with the new DSX and my TD27 with the V71. Also have the digi hihats and snare).