IAN's 2024 DRIVER FITTING // Will The TSR3 Be Usurped?
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Today Ian is in the bay for his 2024 driver fitting at the hands our very own Mike. See if any of this year's hottest drivers have what it takes to dethrone Ian's beloved TSR3.
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“The dreaded straight ball.” I’ve never heard that before 😂😂
How has Ian been married so long with all these commitment issues? 😂😂😂
He always uses the same shaft........
😂😂😂
A new spouse costs way more than $600
Seperate bank account so mrs can’t tell he spends 10k a month on new equipment 🤣
Nothing will ever be perfect.
Just put that TD in the bag. Performance is so good!!
Thanks for the video, guys. Its close enough between the 2 that it boils down to feel, and looks. I just got fitted for a new driver and ended up with the Ping max. Replacing my TSR3. Lost consistency. Ping gave me the tightest dispersion by a wide margin, and increased my distance as well.
When the taylormade first came out you guys thought the LS was too low spin and negative about it. But now it’s in the running to go in the bag 😂
Ian’s fighting that Callaway lol
He was fighting the Cobra
I finally bought a new driver after nearly 10 years. I played a Taylormade R7 for a LONG time. I tried over the years but nothing really was significantly better. (plus I like the smaller 430 head). But about a month ago I went and tested several drivers at different club fitters in this area. (Titleist, Ping, Srixon, Calloway, TaylorMade) In the end I ended up selecting the PXG Black Ops driver. I am a 10 handicap (use to be a 6) but stopped playing for 8 years (kids, travel work & health issues) but started again about 10 months ago. I am 62 now. With my old R7 I was carrying it 250yds (260 total) when I centered it up. It would drop to about 240 on all other hits on the face. with a pretty wide (left to right) dispersion of about 32 yds. With the PXG driver it was significantly longer on centered strikes 270yd carry (total 280-285yds) - but on my mishits it would still carry 255yd-260yds (270yd total). My dispersion also went down from 32 yds (left - right) to 25 yds left to right. Now I think it's time to get the rest of my bag fitted. I have some large gaps to fill on both ends of my current bag. This driver is incredible.
He’s gonna play that triple diamond until the new titleist drops this fall. Lol
The Callaway numbers may be better, but the Qi10 seems to put a smile on your face mate. I think you know which one to choose.
I loved to see you hit differnt shots shapes for a particular situation ,that you might come across out on the courses, every driver would have 3 or 4 criterias, were you'd be hitting shots on 3 or 4 differnt holes during the fitting,don't get me wrong ill take your game, your swing over mine anyday of the year, but I spoke to a golfer who was at a skill level where movement on the ball was the next step in his golf game, your game is definitely scrach or better, no doubt, your definitely an athlete, I'd love to see a few cuts on a dog leg or high draw over some big trees, I actually love the fade ,cut shot, the draw filght just doesn't fit my eye, when I hit a high cut its a beautiful picture to watch for my eye, but I get it your looking for spin, distance, dispersion, at my level I'm all about looks and feel first and foremost , because I'm not good enough to get out of what these new driver offer, 160 to 180 speed, hahaha in my dreams, carry 230 run out to 250 , I leave an enormous amount of technology on the table using these fine tuned driver heads nowadays.That said I believe in the best product with whatever sporting equipment your buying, because when I'm playing at my highest level I know the equipment is letting me produce high level performance, i hope that rant makes sense to anyone as crazy as I am, hahaha. Thanks guys, always put out content I can process and understand.
I feel you have to take everything you see on a launch monitor with a pince of salt. Everything is based on one flight algorithm based on launch and spin at impact. Whereas we know every ball has a different lift and drag profile. So may not fly like flight algo predicts.
Good for a baseline and obviously good if your driver is way off.
Totally agree I think launch monitors can easily both over and underestimate driver performance .... would never purchase without seeing the flight outdoors
Ian you should try the TSR2 in setting B1. As a Club Champion fitter I know it will work
Ian the day after this video looking up leaks for next year's drivers to replace this one
Should come back tomorrow and hit the qi10 again against the Callaway. Numbers close enough that going with feel and confidence make sense.
would have loved to see a 2nd round with the cobra at 9 degrees. the ball speed and what looked an ease of use.
Question: If you were to take off each of the drivers head and weigh them what would the head weight be? I think not only the with locations available on each of the head varies the performance - but total head weight would also change swing speed, ball speed, launch, spin, swing comfort level.
Still playing a Taylor Made Sim 2 Max. It’s a fairway finding machine and distance is as good as I can get. Cannot imagine anything being or feeling any better. Not even hitting any of the new stuff. I’m happy and will stay happy.
Ian is never going to end up with the Smoke. It did everything he wanted with the tightest dispersion and he was trying to justify using the Qi10 instead. Personal preference is the most important variable.
Just got fitted into the QI10 ls at Scottsdale golf 👌 absolutely love it
Worried about right miss but has weight all the way in the toe - this test showed tsr3 was the best and was actually no need to change man.
One thing to play with is similar, but the true determiner is how it works on the course. You two need to go play actual golf and let us see if the sim is at all a good barometer.
I did this exact driver test in February at Club Championship in Cincinnati. I ended up with the 💎💎💎. A low spinning, straight driver… played a tournament a week ago. I only missed 2 fairways and one of those was 6 inches in the rough.
Tested the 💎💎💎 yesterday indoors and it resulted a very nice surprise. My theoretical initial pick was the Max as I thought that the 💎💎💎 would be just too difficult to hit for me, but I ended up hitting it straighter and longer. Do you think that the new 💎💎💎 is significantly easier to heat than the previous models?.
@@bamburo1 honestly, I only hit the LS models of any of them with the weights forward. I think that’s why it’s so important to get fitted.
Want to be fitted by you guys so badly. Love this channel!
Ian - When you fit at your level do you ever test if you can fade & draw - high & low.... I think that is a really important thing to look at? We know most all of them go long and straight.
I truly believe that’s overthinking the fitting of the club. The should be a match to the swing tendencies for the player. I never really try to hit draws and fade with the driver during a round. I pick a shape and stick with it.
It sure why the Cobra was ruled out! All great drivers but I thought the Cobra performed equally as well.
Is there a ventus shaft that is similar to the VF? Blue tr?
Trying so hard to not love the triple diamond... Why fight it?
Do you have to have a fast swing speed to hit the ◇◇◇
Just put the Triple Diamond in the bag. If you don’t then fittings are a sham. 😂 Why the 5X shaft? Feel the head better?!?!
I’m still gaming my TSI3, as the TSR3 was better, but not 400.00 (head only) better. I mean if I was Ian or someone who works in the industry that doesn’t have to shell out the cash, I would have . I heard the new Titleist driver might be worth it.
Curious where were you able to purchase the head only I’m trying to
Do that myself?
How about getting a guy or gal with a 20+ handicap and doing a fitting. That would be a good one to watch.
They have a “follower fitting” series
How is Ian not playing professionally on some tour? Every time, he just stripes it down the middle regardless of the club.
Brilliant as always
I’m not sure what to think of it!?!? The Titleist was automatic in the opening round in dispersion, distance etc. nothing else came close.
Then after 45 swings he goes back and I thought he was tired but still great numbers.
My conclusion is that if any of us could engage in this type of relationship with a club fitter, very much like a golf swing coach…then ok. Not ideal but ok.
But if we want to prioritize posting consistent golf scorers then not committing to golf equipment i think will detract from ultimate performance. It’s early in the season, I’ll give you that.
What’s troubling for me is that if I was a paying customer and at the end of the fitting my opinion completely over wrote the fitters opinion then why go through the fitting in the first place.
Mike hasn’t been able to stay his ground with Ian. Period.
It’s not just about this test though, that’s the point we make at the start of the video. We know from on course results I have a really spinny miss with TSr3. In the bay it’s less prominent. We have the luxury in our position of not having to make a decision on that spot. We can narrow it down to a couple then head to the golf course for testing. I will test with Qi10 and Ai Smoke TD and decide from there.
No Ping G430 LST?
The MAX 10k runs circles around the LST for dispersion and forgiveness
@@stepyourgameupplaya9360 As it should since it is made to be more forgiving but it should also be higher spinning and very slightly slower ball speed comparatively to the LST. Kind of like the two PXG heads they tried in the vid.
why wasnt the ping tested?
I can’t possibly justify the outlay based on a sim fitting, has to be hit outside and ideally on the golf course before definitive decision is made
And- does the carbon face issues that have been reported scare anyone?
Ill take Ians swing if he doesn't wnat it lol
To bad it’s the ugliest driver in cosmetic (colors and smoke) sense. Shape is fine. I just can’t look down at the triple diamond.
Why does he so desperately want to play the Taylor Made?
Ian wakes up with a new swing thought and immediately fits the thought to a new driver until the next thought comes.
100000% and so does 99% of golf addicts who think the driver tech matters anymore. It's marginal at best. But it's the business they are in.
It will last until the new Titleist releases this fall. 😂
That's what I'm waiting for. I've liked both of these other drivers and they perform better than my old TS3 but can't pull the trigger knowing it's a release year for Titleist. Want to see what they have to offer before deciding.
This summer you mean
@@nzigg8161 Titleist releases in the fall. They let the cat out of the bag in September and then are available in October to the public typically.
@@nzigg8161I think fall to the consumers. Summer to tour release
True, only downside imo is that it's like a MASSIVE downgrade in the looks department imo. The TSR3 is possibly the prettiest driver ever released lol. Adding the branding on the top kinda takes away from it imo.
Maybe its just me but none of these numbers justify dumping $600 plus on a new driver. It is almost comical how close everything is.......Save $$$$$ and wait like 5 years minimum.
To us we are saving money. To Ian, this is just fun.
$600?? Get fit for a driver with a custom shaft and it’s more like $1300
If you haven’t bought new equipment in last 5 years…. You’re not the target market. 🤣
I bought a new TSr2 head for 250 and registered it with Titleist, also a Fuji Blue TR for 275, saved a bit being patient 😊
I’m doing research for a used driver in 2-3 years ! I’ll pay $300 for a quality used driver
Ian wants that TaylorMade in the bag so bad.
Johnny must be furious 😂
Ian changes swing just so he doesn't have to game a Cobra 😂
That’s what I was thinking also
Right? This is cheesy, really disappointing to see.
He consistently hits the cobra drivers the best. But then he never actually uses a cobra. Make it make sense.
@bradyrowley9389 seriously, that Darkspeed was straight and 10 yards further, I'd be sold if it did that for me
Need to put the new driver up against the og sim. He hit that driver so well.
I'm putting that driver back in the bag this weekend. Not sure why I took it out to begin with.
@wooltron1 got mine last year. That with a diamana zf has been a killer combo. Won't be leaving until it breaks. Even then, I might source another head.
Still rocking og sim with zf. Cracked one and had to go find another. A few newer models have matched it but nothing has beat it
Just popped the crown off my Stealth, so I've gone back to the og Sim with a Kaili X stiif. Same here, I dont know why I took it out the bag.
Ian getting a lot of stick on the frequency of changes in his bag. I don't mind, I actually love it. If I could tinker with different clubs, shafts, weight adjustments, lofts... I'd change my clubs every week 😂😂
Ditto
Ian doesn’t like hooks and doesn’t like floaty fades, I guess he only likes good shots!! 😂😂😂
Me neither, I don't like hooks, especially pull hooks or floaty fades, I like baby draws and power fades. Seems like Ian only likes it when he hits it well, ME TOO!😂
Hi Club Champion guys, quick question. First shot of the video, 13.4 Launch, 162.8 Ball Speed, 2186 Spin, carry is 291, total 313..
FlightScope Trajectory Opitmizer has that coming out as 269 Carry, 278 Total at Standard Sea Level, do you mind advising what weather settings you have set on GCQuad?
Fanboys of every brand irritated and offended that Ian didn't choose their choice, that means they did their job, got views and everyone talking about the fitting. Brand fanboys need to quit taking all this stuff so seriously.
I don’t understand the brand bias that golfers have just because they play that driver, it’s never made sense to me.
@@ianfrasergolfyou should be gaming that Cobra from the bracket test and deep down you know it 😂😘 love the channel btw
@@muntjunk-plk3171 it’s a bomber but I’ve said it a bunch of times the look just isn’t for me.
Come in and swing the TD cold. It's the same as the TSR3. There's not a $600 difference between all 3.
the TD Ai Smoke will last until the new Titleist range of Metal woods are released in July/August.
Only 20 minutes long.... Is the video on a time lapse from the last 6 months 😂
TD! Wowee that driver is just so good for you. Great showing from all the big hitters this year. I thought I'd never see you in a Callaway head, but you can't argue with the numbers. Thanks for another great video boys.
PING 10K... find the shaft = all issues and doubt .... gone ;)
How he wasn’t gaming that Cobra after the brackets is beyond me. Consistently around 317-321yrds with great dispersion. Talk about brand bias!
I'd be sticking with the TsR as a normal consumer. I'm sure he's getting to switch for free/low cost, so go ahead and do it.
What is the point of the bracket if the winner doesn't even get a fair trial? Clearly, the metrics being used are not useful.
My biggest takeway here is if the money isnt an issue, then sure go ahead switch out of the TSR3 for Qi or TD but im not sure either would be worth to upgrade over the TSR3. You would be better to wait til the new Titleist metalwoods are released this summer then decide. Although at that point you will only be 6 months way from the next product cycle from Callaway and TM... Vicious circle. See you in 2025 lads!
I love when Mikey asked how long it will last. The shaft, for now, is staying. Fittings are great but only a snapshot of what a player bring on that day. All of them are great clubs and it was close, during the Bracket, we've seen them all and every time there's slight difference in performance. That's, mostly, Ian. We're human and have frequent changes in our swing, what's important is he is confident in "THAT CLUB" on the next shot.
Would have loved to see you loft the Darkspeed up to 10* loft. Ian said it himself, best driving season he had was an M2 at 10.5 loft. By eliminating the Cobra, you gave up on the bracket winner, and the fastest club. Why?
🤷
$600+ for titanium or plastic? Easy choice for me. Durability at this price point for hobby/recreational golfers sort of demands titanium. Unless money is no object.
How often do you change drivers and why?
I've had mine since 2010 and I'm only now seriously thinking of changing...
4 line balls to start with gamer I don’t care how tight the fairway is video could have ended right there😂
Cheers from Norcal
I have a 10 year old Taylor Made Driver. I hit it straight, but not getting the distance I used too. Do I need a New Driver, or do I need to adjust the one I have and maybe change shafts? Everyone wants to sell me a new driver, but do I need one? Is there really much difference?
I’m gonna go 3 months we need a Johnny Wunder reaction video!
I’ve got the PXG 9* Tour -1 with the Ventus Blue + 6X and that combo is a monster. However my Callaway Triple Diamond with Proxima 6X is a unicorn. That shaft lowers spin but doesn’t lower launch that much. Fly’s forever and still rolls out. Best shaft I’ve ever hit into the wind. Ian- would love to see you test the Proxima out.
I’m sorry, but it’s between the TSR3 and the Cobra based on what I’ve seen here. Am I crazy for thinking that?
Fun to watch. It would be fun for myself as an average golfer to have access to such testing. Ian has such knowledge and access and then the ability to actually use what he picks. As average golfers, we don't have the finances to get exactly what we need. Enjoyable to watch true professionals test so thoroughly. I've been to club champion. The fitting I experienced is nothing like this. Fun to watch
Toss the PING 10k in there
Two fitters that know each others tendencies so well. How do you guys see or what’s a maintenance program post fit and or build? Is this in the offerings and how do manage it affordability? 👍
One week
Ian will play it until he remembers how good the Srixon ZX5 LS numbers were better than the old gamer.
There's no need for robotic testing ,just call Ian.
No Ping?
TSR3 looks not good here dead 0 path, 5 degrees up and face causing big spin
May I ask fans did they not have done this before?
I hate my job as an electrician. I wish I could do your job 😂. Would be a dream.
Ping?
but it is ugly 😀
Usurped is a $10 word. Great video!
Seriously good numbers Ian. We saw the similar in triple diamond, Callaway have done well this year
3 weeks...
Player's gonna play, Hater's gonna hate, Tinker's gonna...tink(er).
We test, we try before we buy.
Basically this whole UA-cam channel is big sales pitch.. in case you didn’t already notice.
Easy fix, so watch it.
@@hoppman6649 got that, champ?
Yeah, I always hate “the dreaded straight ball” myself! 🙄
Ian is still attached to TM. When you work for the company it's hard to get away.
I’m very comfortable with that head shape. I enjoy the sound and feel of Qi10 also. The last TM head I had was SIM 2. The Stealth’s weren’t great for me.
I’m betting you end up playing the Taylormade
Vegas has placed the over/under at 2.5 months on the TD staying in the bag.
I'm taking the under.
Put me down for under 🤣
Every week he’s doing a driver fitting , it’s time for some new material boys
It’s a fitting channel. You expecting an episode of Bob Vila’s This Old House?
Start your own channel?
We want more driver fittings.
Alright fraz... Ok fraz.... Try this fraz....fraz...fraz...frazzzzzz
I wonder what swing weight Ian plays in the driver.
These guys make up issues so Ian can change clubs 😂
I wonder if ANYBODY can keep driving straight and long with the perfect trajectory all the time. Seems to me THAT DOESN'T EXIST, even at the pro level.
I think Ian just fell out of love with the TSR3, which seems fine, especially for someone in his industry. But seems like he could play any of those last 3 contenders.
Mikey saying the dispersion is wild...with another group of shots, on a different day, that dispersion is going to be exactly the same as the other clubs. It's a small sample size...hit it often enough, and you'll be just as much offline with a club that is "perfect" for you as any of the clubs you've hit in this video
I suspect the TM looks nicer against the shaft over the TD. Ian's a stylish guy (Mikey can insert a comment if he likes!!).TD might need full warm up swing TM probably a bit easier. However if the TD strip's the course like it did here..be hard to go against it. (not that the TD is an unattractive driver, just the new TM gloss and GD shaft go together better, even without the red face of old).
Was splitting hairs as I tested these two- TD w/ fuji red 6s. Qi 10 w/ AD IZ 6x. I preferred the Callaway because the spin stayed lower on my low mishits. The Callaway also reminded me of the Taylor made r 11 S with a face longer north to south. Was striking it more in the middle. However, swing speeds were the same around 108 and carry distance was around 275 yards.
That Cally looks great if you're not paying for it lol. Otherwise, ZERO reason to switch that up.
I think the Callaway TD should be built to 45” instead of 45.5” that right start line should get more neutral. As the boys have noted many times over the years, longer shaft will promote more in-to-out path, which brings in the right start line more into play. Maybe switch shaft to 6X to get the right balance.