Wow, this was amazing. My favourite part was that missionary work in Northern Russia to the pagans. And Alexander stopping the mongols. What a crazy time, your video helped me imagine being there.
In a way, if Orthodoxy didn't evangelize I wouldn't be Orthodox, but here I am lol. In any case, we're doing great in Africa and I'm sure we will have a lot if success everywhere in the future. Now I'll watch the video
Here in Bulgaria we were taught in schools that Kaloyan's union with the Pope was a "genius political move" and a "high honor to receive something like that" on top of him defeating the bulk of the Latin Empire's forces near Adrianople. Then in university when it was brought up in an extensive manner, it turned out that Pope Innocent III was more or less looking to expand his influence and was sending out missions to the east in order to find someone who'd submit under him and Kaloyan was one of the few who answered back. Examining history through Orthodox lenses, completely shattered the views implanted by what we were taught in secular institutions here, it's very different. And it only strengthens my view that it's through Orthodoxy that we can even make sense of history and find salvation. Edit: Thank you for your hard work.
God bless you for making this video. I’m a convert in Canada. People in my parish openly mock evangelism. Orthodox don’t do that or share the gospel. They mock door knocking etc. But then I read in synaxarion all these saints who preached openly and knocked on doors etc. They say save others by saving yourself… and it’s like I get it but obviously you need to actually verbally communicate the gospel to people. Also the parishes in the west. Are never fully English often almost entirely in Russian, Serbian, Romanian. I think this is sinful honestly. There seems to be no desire to emulate any of these saints you’d mentioned. I know you are defending that the orthodox do evangelize. But I hope you understand what I’m saying is true and orthodox have forgotten how to do this clearly. I hope you call it out in the next video! Do we even send out missionaries from monestaries anymore. My church leaders say we don’t do that and being a monk is all about focussing on your own salvation, ugh. It’s like I get it but how perfect for you need to get before you get off your ass and do something lol
@@ubipetrus3882 wow really so maybe this just a local problem out of the 4 priests in my city in Kelowna BC Romanian is 70 Romanian, Serbian is 90% Serbian, Ukrainian is 50%, and my Russian OCA home church does like 60% English and 40% Russian and it’s no surprises he’s been baptizing the flux of new converts coming in
The situation is better in the USA but there are indeed pockets of inadequate evangelism. My experience on the West Coast has been excellent so that's all I can say.
The Moscow Patriarchate's efforts in my country, Turkey, will hopefully be a good example in the future as there are crops but not enough men to reap them. The current situation of our priest has parallels to the life of St. Nicholas of Japan, and hopefully the end results will be similar too. I love your videos, keep it up.
@@ubipetrus3882 Yeah, but my mother is Moldovan. I was baptized as a baby, but I was never raised into the faith. I had to "re-discover" it. The numbers of ethnically Turkish Orthodox who are converting is increasing as time goes on though. Just last month we had two new Cathecumens.
Im about the 40 minute mark, and may this will be answered later, but so far I am hearing a lot of Saint So and So converted/evangelized a people or place. Do we have details on how they did that? So far I have heard two miracles that were attributed to peoples conversions. Is there any documents describing the evangelism efforts? Thank you so much, btw, I really love the history of this
@@ChiRhoLabarum The problem (albeit a small one) is that the images seem to be from a post schism Latin realism in art that is decidedly heterodox. Mind you, it’s no deal breaker. I am a huge fan of Ubi’s content. I just find it curious. Don’t get your self in a tizzy.
It’s true. My family is Irish Catholic . I’m one of 8 children , my dad is one of 8 children, my grandmother was one of 7 and my paternal great grandfather was one of 12.
@@Captnsouthpaw and do you think that's a bad thing? Do Orthodox have a different perspective from Catholics as far as having as many kids as possible? Just curious what you think.
@@ubipetrus3882 There are 200 million Orthodox, of course there was evangelization. You channel is about challenging the Catholic faith, and if you want to talk about evangelization relative to it, then basically Orthodox have a very small experience with that, basically you send priests where there are slavic or greek migrants.
@@J.R2023 1) Supposing that is true, how is it any different than the Catholic powers only sending missionaries to areas they conquered? 2) In the case of the Russian east and Alaska, the missionaries were sent directly to the locals - again, you'd know that if you watched the video. 3) Our numbers are smaller due largely to the fact that we bore the brunt of the Islamic conquest, what else would you expect?
I love EO but honestly evangelism is not something the orthodox do well... It would be better to admit there is some examples but its not at all close to how it should be. The EO very much discount the great commission in my opinion.
Also, your comment completely ignores the geographical advantage that Western Christendom held as opposed to its eastern counterparts by being conveniently located in an area where natural limitations were practically inconsequential. Thus, Western Christendom truly enjoyed a much more advantageous geographical privileged position that facilitated its ability to more effectively spread its own theological, sociological, and political agenda.
The protestant idea of evangelism is just completely different. That's my experience. Orthodox evangelism is slower, organic, and deeper generally speaking. It emphasizes bringing people into the community one step at a time. It's delayed gratification. It's a lot less emotionally charged. I'm a catechumen and I used to be a Southern Baptist involved in youth ministry. I know there are exceptions to the rule, but I find Orthodox evangelism to do a better job of making disciples.
I would argue that Catholic discipleship is just as rich and deep though different and has done 100 X better job of evangelism than orthodoxy, so I don’t think it’s a protestant versus orthodox because the Catholics to me are just as effective if not more than protestants at evangelism as well
@HolyOrthodoxyIsLife the native peoples of Spanish America were not forced either (in spite of Black Legend tales), but were EXPOSED to the faith. Meaning, missioned. Of course, if you leave to people's whims, so that they magically find the Truth... well... how convenient.
During the Russian conquest of Western Asia, many societies had already undergone systematic Islamization. Furthermore, during Russia's significant expansionist endeavors, the principles of Western secularist philosophy had already taken hold.
@@icxcnika7722 that's not excuse. Even half of Chechenia's population was pagan until the mid 1850s, and only recently islamized (1700s), and was strongly colonized by Russians from the mainland. Still did not evangelize them. Same for Armenians (Monophysites), and... heck, to this day there are pagans in Russia proper. I mean real pagans (never converted, not neo-pagans). Why is that? Because orthodoxy was (and is, to them, or any other ethnorthodox group) the "religion for the russians" (fill in the blank for any other ethnstate). Not universal at all. And that shows in their practical refusal to mission.
Your observation does not take into account the time period in which Russia's expansionist regimes began, which was the post-Enlightenment era of rapid secularization. This does not serve as an excuse, as it is a historical fact that these sociopolitical forces were contributing factors that led to a decreased emphasis on expanding a religious societal framework.
@@matthewsiahaan1312 precisely my point. Russia conquered pretty empty lands. And the hundreds of peoples (who had few people each) who inhabited those lands were not even evangelized. Forget about sending missions out of that empire (only in the late 1800s, and to minister slavs overseas). Really...
Wow, this was amazing. My favourite part was that missionary work in Northern Russia to the pagans. And Alexander stopping the mongols. What a crazy time, your video helped me imagine being there.
In a way, if Orthodoxy didn't evangelize I wouldn't be Orthodox, but here I am lol. In any case, we're doing great in Africa and I'm sure we will have a lot if success everywhere in the future. Now I'll watch the video
Which country are you in?
Did they evangelize you, or they just accepted you after you did the whole work?
@@Isphanian Exactly lol. For being the one true church they sure have failed to spread it.
@@Averyaveragedeskin bait
Here in Bulgaria we were taught in schools that Kaloyan's union with the Pope was a "genius political move" and a "high honor to receive something like that" on top of him defeating the bulk of the Latin Empire's forces near Adrianople.
Then in university when it was brought up in an extensive manner, it turned out that Pope Innocent III was more or less looking to expand his influence and was sending out missions to the east in order to find someone who'd submit under him and Kaloyan was one of the few who answered back.
Examining history through Orthodox lenses, completely shattered the views implanted by what we were taught in secular institutions here, it's very different. And it only strengthens my view that it's through Orthodoxy that we can even make sense of history and find salvation.
Edit: Thank you for your hard work.
God bless you for making this video. I’m a convert in Canada. People in my parish openly mock evangelism. Orthodox don’t do that or share the gospel. They mock door knocking etc. But then I read in synaxarion all these saints who preached openly and knocked on doors etc. They say save others by saving yourself… and it’s like I get it but obviously you need to actually verbally communicate the gospel to people. Also the parishes in the west. Are never fully English often almost entirely in Russian, Serbian, Romanian. I think this is sinful honestly. There seems to be no desire to emulate any of these saints you’d mentioned. I know you are defending that the orthodox do evangelize. But I hope you understand what I’m saying is true and orthodox have forgotten how to do this clearly. I hope you call it out in the next video! Do we even send out missionaries from monestaries anymore. My church leaders say we don’t do that and being a monk is all about focussing on your own salvation, ugh. It’s like I get it but how perfect for you need to get before you get off your ass and do something lol
95% of all the parishes I've attended use 5% or less non-English and I have been to an extensive number of parishes in the last 23+ years.
@@ubipetrus3882 wow really so maybe this just a local problem out of the 4 priests in my city in Kelowna BC Romanian is 70 Romanian, Serbian is 90% Serbian, Ukrainian is 50%, and my Russian OCA home church does like 60% English and 40% Russian and it’s no surprises he’s been baptizing the flux of new converts coming in
The situation is better in the USA but there are indeed pockets of inadequate evangelism. My experience on the West Coast has been excellent so that's all I can say.
@austinfurgason3634 Have you had any contact with the folks at the Orthodox Christian Mission Centre; located in saint Augustine's, Florida?
The Moscow Patriarchate's efforts in my country, Turkey, will hopefully be a good example in the future as there are crops but not enough men to reap them. The current situation of our priest has parallels to the life of St. Nicholas of Japan, and hopefully the end results will be similar too. I love your videos, keep it up.
Are you in communication with David Erhan? He's also Turkish.
@@ubipetrus3882 No, I met him once though. And I know people who know him.
@@MaksimBey Are you ethnically Turkish?
@@ubipetrus3882 Yeah, but my mother is Moldovan. I was baptized as a baby, but I was never raised into the faith. I had to "re-discover" it. The numbers of ethnically Turkish Orthodox who are converting is increasing as time goes on though. Just last month we had two new Cathecumens.
@@MaksimBey How many ethnic Turkish converts do you know in Turkey?
This stream is going to be great. Looking forward to it
This topic came up in conversation last night so I’m going to impatiently wait for this.
While listening almost forgot this work is apologetics, it felt like very interesting and inspiring documentary.
It’s both!
What an excellent video. Thank you for the putting some solid work into this topic.
Great work. It's sad that the Soviet Union undid a millennia of missionary work.
They also genocided more Christians in about 20 years than the Roman Empire did in 3 centuries...
We back tho
Im about the 40 minute mark, and may this will be answered later, but so far I am hearing a lot of Saint So and So converted/evangelized a people or place. Do we have details on how they did that? So far I have heard two miracles that were attributed to peoples conversions. Is there any documents describing the evangelism efforts?
Thank you so much, btw, I really love the history of this
From the various sources I consulted to make this years ago, IIRC, it was typically done via miracles.
Great video keep it up
I think orthodoxy is really growing nowadays in the west, more than ever
I love Ubi’s work but why does he employ so many western, Latin images?
does that matter? The subject matter is Orthodox despite the images being "Latin" in origin.
Can you point to examples with time stamps so I know what you are talking about?
What’s so bad about latin images? The Latins were Orthodox for a millennia. We need to bring the Latins back to Latin Orthodoxy, Western Orthodoxy.
@@dewd9327
I know that. That’s why I said I love Ubi’s work. Relax.
@@ChiRhoLabarum
The problem (albeit a small one) is that the images seem to be from a post schism Latin realism in art that is decidedly heterodox. Mind you, it’s no deal breaker. I am a huge fan of Ubi’s content. I just find it curious. Don’t get your self in a tizzy.
Russian orthodoxy is growing in Cameron, there is a video about that in yt but it's in russian.
Did you really have to say that about the Irish 😂
It’s true. My family is Irish Catholic . I’m one of 8 children , my dad is one of 8 children, my grandmother was one of 7 and my paternal great grandfather was one of 12.
@@Captnsouthpaw and do you think that's a bad thing? Do Orthodox have a different perspective from Catholics as far as having as many kids as possible? Just curious what you think.
@@saturnFIV3 no it’s not a bad thing I think all kids are a blessing.
Short answer, no, they basically send priests were inmigrant orthodox are
Short answer, no, you didn't watch the video because the majority of examples indicates otherwise.
@@ubipetrus3882 reality indicates otherwise
@@J.R2023 Which examples in the video fit your narrative?
@@ubipetrus3882 There are 200 million Orthodox, of course there was evangelization. You channel is about challenging the Catholic faith, and if you want to talk about evangelization relative to it, then basically Orthodox have a very small experience with that, basically you send priests where there are slavic or greek migrants.
@@J.R2023
1) Supposing that is true, how is it any different than the Catholic powers only sending missionaries to areas they conquered?
2) In the case of the Russian east and Alaska, the missionaries were sent directly to the locals - again, you'd know that if you watched the video.
3) Our numbers are smaller due largely to the fact that we bore the brunt of the Islamic conquest, what else would you expect?
I love EO but honestly evangelism is not something the orthodox do well... It would be better to admit there is some examples but its not at all close to how it should be. The EO very much discount the great commission in my opinion.
Also, your comment completely ignores the geographical advantage that Western Christendom held as opposed to its eastern counterparts by being conveniently located in an area where natural limitations were practically inconsequential.
Thus, Western Christendom truly enjoyed a much more advantageous geographical privileged position that facilitated its ability to more effectively spread its own theological, sociological, and political agenda.
The protestant idea of evangelism is just completely different. That's my experience. Orthodox evangelism is slower, organic, and deeper generally speaking. It emphasizes bringing people into the community one step at a time. It's delayed gratification. It's a lot less emotionally charged.
I'm a catechumen and I used to be a Southern Baptist involved in youth ministry. I know there are exceptions to the rule, but I find Orthodox evangelism to do a better job of making disciples.
@HolyOrthodoxyIsLife and the orthodox, didn't even when colonizing 20% of the landmass at some point. Imagine that.
I would argue that Catholic discipleship is just as rich and deep though different and has done 100 X better job of evangelism than orthodoxy, so I don’t think it’s a protestant versus orthodox because the Catholics to me are just as effective if not more than protestants at evangelism as well
@HolyOrthodoxyIsLife the native peoples of Spanish America were not forced either (in spite of Black Legend tales), but were EXPOSED to the faith. Meaning, missioned.
Of course, if you leave to people's whims, so that they magically find the Truth... well... how convenient.
Summary: Russia conquered many lands (omits to say, without converting many of the conquered native peoples).
During the Russian conquest of Western Asia, many societies had already undergone systematic Islamization.
Furthermore, during Russia's significant expansionist endeavors, the principles of Western secularist philosophy had already taken hold.
@@icxcnika7722 that's not excuse. Even half of Chechenia's population was pagan until the mid 1850s, and only recently islamized (1700s), and was strongly colonized by Russians from the mainland. Still did not evangelize them. Same for Armenians (Monophysites), and... heck, to this day there are pagans in Russia proper. I mean real pagans (never converted, not neo-pagans).
Why is that? Because orthodoxy was (and is, to them, or any other ethnorthodox group) the "religion for the russians" (fill in the blank for any other ethnstate). Not universal at all. And that shows in their practical refusal to mission.
Your observation does not take into account the time period in which Russia's expansionist regimes began, which was the post-Enlightenment era of rapid secularization. This does not serve as an excuse, as it is a historical fact that these sociopolitical forces were contributing factors that led to a decreased emphasis on expanding a religious societal framework.
Conquering for Christendom is good, right and salutary. Billions will be baptized.
@@matthewsiahaan1312 precisely my point. Russia conquered pretty empty lands. And the hundreds of peoples (who had few people each) who inhabited those lands were not even evangelized. Forget about sending missions out of that empire (only in the late 1800s, and to minister slavs overseas). Really...