Why Reason & Theology's Michael Lofton is Wrong on Orthodoxy, Ecumenical Councils, & the Magisterium
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Absolutely devastating
“far too par for the course.” ok big mike
Interesting that Lofton admits that some of the issues with the EO today are similiar to those of the early Church. That is because the ecclesiology of the EO is the same as that of the early Church.
Nuanced, highly charitable, greatly distinguished, most definitive and so very nuanced. Ubi has outdone themselves again.
As a Byzantine Catholic I do hope Erick Ybarra and Michael Lofton will be open to accept the offer. Would be great to see Jay Dyer, Perry Robinson, and Ubi Petrus doing back to back Tag Team debate going through Catholic teachings one by one. As a Catholic I can attest that Jay Dyer, Perry Robinson, and Ubi Petrus are honest and genuine with their approach. If we do seek the truth there's no need to avoid the offer just accept it. Truth is open to vulnerability and scrutiny. In fact it would embrace and confront it to be tested and verified. I agree with you Ubi Petrus that while Cretan council not accepted by Georgia, Bulgaria, Antioch, and Russia, the Creedal canons are unanimously accepted by all Orthodox. That alone to me is a serious conversation that any Catholic must not be afraid to discuss. Great work my brother, God bless!
Ubi is hands down my fav Orthodox channel. I remember when I was inquiring into Orthodoxy, I had many questions about their view on Catholic papal claims and how to interpret the historical data. Along comes this channel with a single video that absolutely knocked it out of the park; glad to see the quality has never diminished. Ubi is my go to recommendation for inquirers/catechumens who have questions similar to the ones I had.
You will never hear from Lofton. If he truly believed in his position he would readily debate. I suspect there is also a lot of guilt, as down deep, he knows he is deceiving his audience. Very well done Ubi, devastating to the RC position!
ML still does not get Jay's point regarding our different paradigms. For him, his religion is to be studied and drilled into his head. For us, the lived reality embodies the totality of our faith. He will never get it, it seems.
"He addresses a viewer in the chat, who goes by the name of "Smoked Pork Ribs"" Love the dry pan humor.
Lofton calls Orthodox “Protestants with apostolic succession” and then later says the early church was chaotic and gives a progressive Protestant idea of doctrine and praxis as if the apostles did not hand down THE faith but a seed that needed to be watered either by the pope, which is the Protestant view just replace the pope with the Bible.
As a Catholic, I found Mr. Lofton's criticism of the recent lack of "Pan Orthodox" councils bitterly ironic. The Catholic Church, of course, did hold a "universal" council: Vatican II. Whatever else it may have achieved, Vatican II can hardly be deemed a dogmatic or liturgical success. No Western bishop can "opt out" of a council called by the pope. In light of Vatican II, that is not exactly a "selling point" for Lofton's claims.
timestamps for Ubi’s responses to Lofton
Why does he seem to be so obsessed with Orthodoxy? Just considering pure numbers, we're like nothing in the West. Why bring a sledgehammer to squash a fly? It's like he has to constantly justify his apostasy.
This was the most charitable, nuanced, and hyper-qualified video on UA-cam. It is truly beneficial to the soul.
if you ever want to destroy your liver, take a shot every time Lofton says "magisterium" or "objective", lol
I recently brought patriarchal ratification up to Lofton in the comments section of a recent video of his. After several attempts to accuse me of "misrepresenting him," his only response was "this approach begs the question." That's it. Crickets afterwards.
My issue with Lofton is that he has a weird obsession bashing Orthodox UA-cam channels by having on other ppl who claim to be Orthodox to bash them. Then he acts above it as if he has some unearned moral high ground. Opening statement 100% accurate
I might use this as one of my go-to videos to send people for why they shouldn't be Roman Catholic. Both formerly as a Protestant and now as an Orthodox, I never understood why so many people found the typical Catholic polemic about the papal dogmas to be so compelling. This exposes just how weak that polemic actually is.
Your ability to say “smoke pork ribs” with the same tone as the rest of this presentation impressed me.
Dogma NEVER really mattered to the Roman Catholic Church because The Church has never (and most likely will never) issued a specific list of Dogmas which ALL Catholics must believe. They never did this (and most likely will never do this) because if they did so then they would never be able to "change" their theological positions as they have consistently been doing for well over a thousand years.