The biggest and most important variable that we don't have access to is the angle of the cage. If you look at the springer users with scar barrels, the vast majority of people are using adjustable scars, this is to change the rate of spin. Canted cages do not have this option, at the moment pretty much all the canted cages have about the same angle. That angle is optimal for 20-30m/s and no higher. In all your long range testing you notice that your 'rapid fire' shots are more stable than the slow fire shots, as the muzzle velocity is dropping back into that optimal range. However, there is a test that can point to wards this conclusion. As the balance is between angle of rotation and velocity, if we can't change the angle of rotation, we can change the velocity. My proposition for the next test: use the same cage and wheels, but vary the muzzle velocity, either by changing motors, or by changing the battery. My hypothesis for this test would be to show that if the higher muzzle velocity is outstripping the spins ability to keep the dart stable. What I expect to see is that at a higher velocity to your baseline (40m/s is resonably easy to achieve) you will have much more fishtailing and whirlybirding at the muzzle, but any dart that manages to go any distance will start to recover and become more stable over its trajectory, conversely at lower velocity (stock 20m/s would be easy to achieve) I expect the dart to be fairly stable straight out of the muzzle, with very low to no whirlybirds/fishtails. I would be willing to do some work into designing some 3d model cage systems to test the angle of the flywheels, if you are interested in that?
@@redroyal4287 1 It would either be many cages for a particular nerfgun, or it would be a tesbed platform with movable motor bells. I havn't decided which will be the better option. 2 forcably adjusting the voltage would give you better control over the muzzle energy, good idea!
@@EDSKaR These blasters were built with FRVs just so they could be connected to 3s batteries to get that higher velocity test. So to keep things simple, just popping in a 3s should be able to demonstrate high velocity instability.
You are 100% correct velocity, weight, length, and even head diameter all affect the amount of spin you need to stabilize so id suggest different motor angles for half darts which will need less spin. Just playing with a ballistics calculator a worker half dart at 130fps(40m/s) on paper should be completely stable at around one rotation per 3in of travel.
I'd be curious to see the difference between the style of dart you used and broad-headed ones like accustrike or adventure force and how they interact with canted wheels.
half darts also have less air resistance so when they get to the same distance as the full lengths they don't lose as much energy, or at least that's my hypothesis. Another idea for an experiment is to try to find a way to measure the velocity at different range increments this will be much harder as you will have to aim for the krono from much farther but maybe combining long range krono test with slomo.
I would like to see a comparison of canted cage with normal wheels and a canted cage with the worker wheels specifically for the canted cage. Also, I’m curious as to what is the structural difference between a canted cage and a standard cage.
You should try half length vs full length of the same dart type. Looks like you're comparing Worker you glued yourself against Waffles? Perhaps try half vs full waffles.
So regarding the mass of half darts, in general if you cut a dart in half, it is less mass, but a worker dart, for example or an ACC have the same or more mass than a full length dart. Just for more info.
How about testing flywheels in canted cages for episode 3.0? My first Stryfe set up used the Worker clear 42.5mm canted cage with Worker clear canted flywheels using Meishel2.0 motors on a 2s graphine. The darts would spin out of control and not fly more than 30ft. I changed just the cage to a Arura 42.5mm cage same motors and canted Worker wheels, darts now fly straight and far. So perhaps I had too much spin with a canted cage and wheels. It would be interesting to see what if any difference using various wheels like smooth, serrated, concave or the canted serrated like the Worker ones I used. Thanks for the awesome videos Cap!.
Would a half dart of a stiffer material help with the (lack of) contact issue? Like if it was Nerf Ultra dart or Boomco straw material? Or what if you used a micro flywheel system in 2 stage, but the stages really close together?
You should use darts that are half red and half white, so that when you fire them in slo mo against the red background, the dart with appear to “blink” white. It might be easier to see.
Just a suggestion, but on the slow motion spin test, try running painters tape along the barn. This will show straight line shots, but also gives an idea of the arc etc. You could also add "degrees" with tape marks etc.
Canted cages are the scar barrels of flywheelers. The alignment would have to be perfect if you were to use an actual scar barrel, and you can't get that with flywheels
I'd be interested to see what difference motor speed makes, Same stryfe on 2s and 3s should interesting (with a cantered cage) As a separate experiment, multi stage setup. High speed second stage and vary the first stage. Given that in a single stage setup the darts start from 0fps does the speed of the first stage make much difference, or is just having it at all enough?
@@Mr_Editor_Rhino yeah modifing a jolt is a bit tricky but since the hce/desert eagle is a singleshot blaster it shouldnt be that hard to mod( i just assume ive never opened a HCE)
Very informative analysis sir, I feel much more informed after watching. 1 Question though, why did you need worker Gen2 white darts for the rotation test? Couldn't a colored dot on any dart show rotation more easily, as you would then have a visual representation of their spiral, and thus a get a more detailed comparison, and perhaps see minor differences between each dart.
Hey Cap. I don't know why my elite alpha trooper's slam fire activates everytime I fire it and sometimes it doesn't catch and doesn't even fire I need help for this plz.:( this happened after I took out the air restrictor plz need help. :(
It's hard to be to consistent being that after all it is a flywheel blaster and are just not accurate no matter what you do. Flywheels are for dumping ammo fast and that's about it. Yes you can do things to increase power but there just not great if trying to be accurate over 50 feet. I like flywheelers for certain things but nothing like a Springer for accuracy. Nice video and nice job explaining
Testing RPM would be an interesting experiment. But would not he as simple as 2s vs 3s. Most motors are specifically designed to run on given voltage. Overvolting them is in an of itself another variable. Honey Badgers can run on both 2s and 3s. I could try them... Go suggestion!
Captain I've always admired your work since your debut in the park with Walcom, what are your thoughts on him taking the Curator's Throne? The Nerf Hyperfire which I have 6 of happens to be the only blaster I have that comes with Canted cages and motor braking. Would you Nerf For Science within a hyperfire so that I don't have to?
I don't do shout outs like that. You want a shout out you have to give me a reason. Easiest way is to either ask a question for Q&A or send me an actual letter. :)
The biggest and most important variable that we don't have access to is the angle of the cage. If you look at the springer users with scar barrels, the vast majority of people are using adjustable scars, this is to change the rate of spin. Canted cages do not have this option, at the moment pretty much all the canted cages have about the same angle. That angle is optimal for 20-30m/s and no higher. In all your long range testing you notice that your 'rapid fire' shots are more stable than the slow fire shots, as the muzzle velocity is dropping back into that optimal range.
However, there is a test that can point to wards this conclusion. As the balance is between angle of rotation and velocity, if we can't change the angle of rotation, we can change the velocity.
My proposition for the next test: use the same cage and wheels, but vary the muzzle velocity, either by changing motors, or by changing the battery. My hypothesis for this test would be to show that if the higher muzzle velocity is outstripping the spins ability to keep the dart stable. What I expect to see is that at a higher velocity to your baseline (40m/s is resonably easy to achieve) you will have much more fishtailing and whirlybirding at the muzzle, but any dart that manages to go any distance will start to recover and become more stable over its trajectory, conversely at lower velocity (stock 20m/s would be easy to achieve) I expect the dart to be fairly stable straight out of the muzzle, with very low to no whirlybirds/fishtails.
I would be willing to do some work into designing some 3d model cage systems to test the angle of the flywheels, if you are interested in that?
1. Make that cage please, FOR SCIENCE!
2. Maybe one of thpse dial things for velocity?
@@redroyal4287
1 It would either be many cages for a particular nerfgun, or it would be a tesbed platform with movable motor bells. I havn't decided which will be the better option.
2 forcably adjusting the voltage would give you better control over the muzzle energy, good idea!
@@EDSKaR These blasters were built with FRVs just so they could be connected to 3s batteries to get that higher velocity test. So to keep things simple, just popping in a 3s should be able to demonstrate high velocity instability.
You are 100% correct velocity, weight, length, and even head diameter all affect the amount of spin you need to stabilize so id suggest different motor angles for half darts which will need less spin. Just playing with a ballistics calculator a worker half dart at 130fps(40m/s) on paper should be completely stable at around one rotation per 3in of travel.
2:13 little captain xavier
2:57 LITERAL JUMP CUT!
XD
Posted at 4 AM... The man never sleeps.
Says the guy who's watching the video when he, too, should be sleeping, lol.
Oh, I sleep. I just have super slow internet. So I start the upload before I go to bed.
I'd be curious to see the difference between the style of dart you used and broad-headed ones like accustrike or adventure force and how they interact with canted wheels.
the slomo footage, sooooo beautifulll!
half darts also have less air resistance so when they get to the same distance as the full lengths they don't lose as much energy, or at least that's my hypothesis. Another idea for an experiment is to try to find a way to measure the velocity at different range increments this will be much harder as you will have to aim for the krono from much farther but maybe combining long range krono test with slomo.
I would like to see a comparison of canted cage with normal wheels and a canted cage with the worker wheels specifically for the canted cage. Also, I’m curious as to what is the structural difference between a canted cage and a standard cage.
You should try half length vs full length of the same dart type. Looks like you're comparing Worker you glued yourself against Waffles? Perhaps try half vs full waffles.
Noice. Boi i wish i had the same enthusiasm for nerf like last time. :/
So regarding the mass of half darts, in general if you cut a dart in half, it is less mass, but a worker dart, for example or an ACC have the same or more mass than a full length dart. Just for more info.
This was informative and full of shenanigans! I love it
i have the develz pusher and it doesnt push the half darts in enough on a slow pull and is pron to jams on a fast pull to
great video glad you continued this one.
I was wondering when you'd have a new vid out lol
2:15 Hat!
Hi captain!!
Hi
How about testing flywheels in canted cages for episode 3.0? My first Stryfe set up used the Worker clear 42.5mm canted cage with Worker clear canted flywheels using Meishel2.0 motors on a 2s graphine. The darts would spin out of control and not fly more than 30ft. I changed just the cage to a Arura 42.5mm cage same motors and canted Worker wheels, darts now fly straight and far. So perhaps I had too much spin with a canted cage and wheels. It would be interesting to see what if any difference using various wheels like smooth, serrated, concave or the canted serrated like the Worker ones I used. Thanks for the awesome videos Cap!.
Would a half dart of a stiffer material help with the (lack of) contact issue? Like if it was Nerf Ultra dart or Boomco straw material? Or what if you used a micro flywheel system in 2 stage, but the stages really close together?
You should use darts that are half red and half white, so that when you fire them in slo mo against the red background, the dart with appear to “blink” white. It might be easier to see.
I will have to try that next time. Thanks!
I’d be curious to see of a bcar helps smooth out the whirlybirding
Almost certainly...but they why bother with the canted cage at all? Why just switch to BCARs? (Spoiler alert...this is what we did) ;)
Just a suggestion, but on the slow motion spin test, try running painters tape along the barn. This will show straight line shots, but also gives an idea of the arc etc. You could also add "degrees" with tape marks etc.
Do the motors that come with the canted cages accept 3s lipo?
There are no specific motors for canted cages. You can use any motors.
@@CaptainXavier thx 🙏
Mini Captain at 2:14!
If the flywheels on a blaster spin fast enough could a scar barrel improve precision?
Canted cages are the scar barrels of flywheelers. The alignment would have to be perfect if you were to use an actual scar barrel, and you can't get that with flywheels
What Do you think of doing a series with Triple B called " NerfBusters"...A mix of nerfy Science and Silliness?
Hello cap I was wondering where I could find your po box
It is in the video description.
great video very informative, thanks
I think using the same dart type and cutting some down for the short dart tests would get rid of and unrequited variable.
I'd be interested to see what difference motor speed makes,
Same stryfe on 2s and 3s should interesting (with a cantered cage)
As a separate experiment, multi stage setup.
High speed second stage and vary the first stage.
Given that in a single stage setup the darts start from 0fps does the speed of the first stage make much difference, or is just having it at all enough?
Excellent video sir, Bangarang
Did you do canted flywheel short darts vs. Non-canted short darts yet?
Nope.
@@CaptainXavier I would certainly love to see that. Thanks Cap.
Captain xavier... What would be the best type of blaster to mod for my fist mod?
A single shot springer.
@@CaptainXavier Thanks 😃
Edit: would the Nerf Fortnite HC/Dessert eagle be a good one to mod?
@@Mr_Editor_Rhino the firestrike is a good option
@@Loogie_727 I don't have a fire strike and I don't think a jolt would work good.
@@Mr_Editor_Rhino yeah modifing a jolt is a bit tricky but since the hce/desert eagle is a singleshot blaster it shouldnt be that hard to mod( i just assume ive never opened a HCE)
Mini Xavier at 2:13 to 4:06
Very informative analysis sir, I feel much more informed after watching. 1 Question though, why did you need worker Gen2 white darts for the rotation test? Couldn't a colored dot on any dart show rotation more easily, as you would then have a visual representation of their spiral, and thus a get a more detailed comparison, and perhaps see minor differences between each dart.
Because my slow mo camera is not high enough quality I need a constrast as strong as black and white for it to show up.
Someone else suggest red and white since it is on a red background and I will try that next time.
Why the scravenger mag cap
It was the first mag I could find
now i wanna see how a 2 stage canted cage would work... maybe i should do the shenanigans to find out...
Hay cap I have no questions just a statement, great video
Thanks
Why not just have designated half dart blasters?
Because using a completely different blaster would be another variable. 1 variable at a time when possible.
Hey Cap. I don't know why my elite alpha trooper's slam fire activates everytime I fire it and sometimes it doesn't catch and doesn't even fire I need help for this plz.:( this happened after I took out the air restrictor plz need help. :(
Well...if it is not catching...then there is something wrong with the catch. Start there.
@@CaptainXavier thank you so much I will try. :)
It's hard to be to consistent being that after all it is a flywheel blaster and are just not accurate no matter what you do. Flywheels are for dumping ammo fast and that's about it. Yes you can do things to increase power but there just not great if trying to be accurate over 50 feet. I like flywheelers for certain things but nothing like a Springer for accuracy.
Nice video and nice job explaining
Agreed. Springers will always be more accurate at range. But with this I have a 2ft grouping at 90ft. That is pretty darn good for Nerf.
@@CaptainXavier yes that is really good
3s vs 2s? a. is the difference in fps greater or lesser? b. does it rotate more because of motor rpm? c.is it more accurate?
Testing RPM would be an interesting experiment. But would not he as simple as 2s vs 3s. Most motors are specifically designed to run on given voltage. Overvolting them is in an of itself another variable. Honey Badgers can run on both 2s and 3s. I could try them... Go suggestion!
@@CaptainXavier They're running FRVs just so you can up to 3s. ;)
I would like you to try afterburners on the darts see if that increases the spin and the accuracy
Curiouser and curiouser...
I once asked someone the difference between canted and straight cages; they said “straight cages work, canted cages don’t”
Well that was not very informative of them.
Captain Xavier I agree. It was foamdata services I think, but I don’t remember
Captain I've always admired your work since your debut in the park with Walcom, what are your thoughts on him taking the Curator's Throne? The Nerf Hyperfire which I have 6 of happens to be the only blaster I have that comes with Canted cages and motor braking. Would you Nerf For Science within a hyperfire so that I don't have to?
I got a chuckle out of the loading screen. Perhaps you could use it more
Interesting
Hello mr xavier
Hello
The price of nerf modding though. 130 bucks for my first build and I live in Canada soooooooooo. Conversion rates suck
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Hey Cap. Can I have a shout out in ur next vid Pls. I love Nerf and I love ur vids 😃😃😃
I don't do shout outs like that. You want a shout out you have to give me a reason. Easiest way is to either ask a question for Q&A or send me an actual letter. :)