Hi Sam, nice video and it makes life so easy with CAD, good to plan early. Just one note, the VFD's make a lot of electrical noise and should be kept away from logic components, it will be a good idea to keep the MASSO as far as possible as you will get electrical noise from the VFD, I have even seen in some industrial enclosures where people put a metal wall around the VFD. Otherwise the electrical noise will affect your VGA signals and other inputs.
Thanks Jatinder, I will take a closer look at that I have not had any issues with a BOB but I never thought about the Masso being the CPU and BOB so yes maybe some interference. Of course there will be a EMI filter before the VFD as well.
Nice enclosure you are building. I can see you are installing filters on the logic power and the main circuit side for the DYN drives. I do not think that filters on the main circuit are necessary. Keep the videos coming, i enjoy watching them :-D
Thank you, Well I also questioned the need for individual EMI filters on the main power side however thats the way they suggest they be installed and since I'm not a engineer I will add them. I think the drives may like a VFD induce noise. better to be safe.
I am glad you are considering other than Masso. I have been using Mach3 forever but have purchase an Acorn also playing around with Pathpilot and Linux. It's takes a lot of time to do this but it's fun 😀. Enclosure looks very good plus Fusion keep it up nice!
it sounds like your a little torn as well with your choice. I think Linux is a little more to get going but is the most powerful controller out there. Masso Has a lot of potential for Home hobbyist and can be easily updated. Acorn is good for a hobbyist but is somewhat limited with I/o's and I can see much room for improvement there or they start cutting into there Oak series controllers. which is why I shy ed away from it. I am going to move forward with Linux and masso.
I agree with the conclusion on acorn its good but not the magic answer many think it is. The masso does not work with touch screen or a mouse only hot keys? They say there working on it. kind of reminds me of one of the advanced dos systems. Dos was very efficient .Many industril controll systems are similar to MS dos.
You know what I completely forgot about incoming power! The used enclosure came with a power cord already connected to the box so I will not add it to the plate for the connections. But I did fail to mention this. thanks for reminding me.
Hi Phil, Yes I have looked into the Acorn and touch on it in my CNC controller choices video from a couple weeks ago. I think there on the right track however it's limited to only 8 I/O's which is a issue I have now with the C11gs. it only supports 4 Axis so that will not work for a ATC. you still need a CPU. So for me a Better choice over Acorn would be Linux CNC for $300 with the mesa boards and a new used PC. A lot more power although not Plug and Play you would need to set up Linuxcnc
Hi Sam,.. So much going on!.. I just took delivery of a Awesome PM 833T mill with stand! I'm kinda over the moon at the moment.. I also watched your vids on the Masso controller and the DMM drivers and motors.. ( and Just ordered all that yesterday ) whew.. what a Christmas!.. I am retired and am really thankful for your videos and information.. Just Awsome! I would like to get a copy of your fusion 360 file for the control cabinet.. please advise if that is possible? Thanks Again. Merry Christmas Phil
Hi Phil, Congratulations on your New Mill, I am in the process of putting together the control box and controller. I'm on the fence on the Masso and Linux cnc as you heard in this video. I have added a few things to the controller and have not quite finalized it as of yet. once I do I will be happy to share the fusion 360 files. Be Safe, Sam
Hi again ... went back thru your prior controller enclosure videos - and will likely again .. but - Im having a challenge sourcing many of the parts - things like the Dinkle Terminal blocks [ actually ground blocks ] for a single enclosure - most of the sources will only sell ya 50 units !!! Any chance you can post up a BoM list or a link to the sources? Took me a week on Amazon to get most of my stuff - and still missing a bunch. Looking for quality DIN rail mounted fuses, an Omron power relay - not sure which one one to get actually ... as your part changed midstream ... a quality disconnect .... there s more but ... Im kinda getting hte feeling you need a distributor relationship with a automation tech supplier to get affordable deals on a lot of the components in these enclosures ...
Hi Steve, Are you looking for components for this box or the Original PM727M box? I sourced most things off Ebay a quick search yeilded www.ebay.com/itm/LOT-OF-2-OMRON-MJN3C-AC120-11-Pin-Relays-w-5X853M-Bases-120V-V164/202114040641?epid=1002964353&hash=item2f0eef8341:g:UpcAAOSwfVhaC1i3 Also I got my terminals from this Gentleman also on Ebay Email him with what you need and maybe he can put you a package together. dont for get jumpers. www.ebay.com/itm/DIN-Rail-Ground-Terminal-Blocks-8-Qty-AK1-5-PE-Dinkle-14-AWG-Gauge/122055515732?epid=1378796152&hash=item1c6b135e54:g:tysAAOSwbsBXkoPn There is a Parts list included in My Plans. Email me if you have any questions. Be Safe, Sam
How are you converting the 240 to 110? I use an isolating step down transformer. some people just plug a separate cord in the wall thinking that's isolating it? but if you look in your power panel its just splitting one leg off.
Hi Tom, I'm not splitting 220v just yet no need the drives and VFD runs off 220v. All contactors and controls run of 24v dc. If your talking about the 110v outlet for the CPU/ monitor and Coolant I'm still undecided as to how I will do this I most likely will bring in another 110v from a separate outlet so as not to put to much load on the one. Or like you say add a stepdown transformer which I have it's just a matter of space I also have a line reactor that will be a space decision. Good question thanks, sam
Cool video brother - love the fusion modeling - that looks like a lot of work.!!! Looking forward to the future build out of this box. I did notice its a bit different than the prior enclosure build from the components standpoint. No "holding circuit" ? No contactor needed this time? Not sure what those two different relays are actually doing. Also on your prior box build video - I tried to find those breakers like the ones youre using in this video - but only saw them at 240v ... in USA for 120V single phase - dont we need 110/120v breakers ?
Thank you, No "holding circuit" ? No contactor needed this time? Yes just will use the ABB contactors. one powers on the Servo drives and 24v ps with a Holding circuit. also will power up the second ABB contactor for the VFD uless the spindle selector switch has it disabled. very similar to the current setup. On the CB those are up to ratings for voltage. of course you can use Fuses.
Hi, could you please let me know where did you find the requirement to put an EMI filter on each driver? I was thinking it would be enough to have a single one in the electrical circuit. I am not using the same drivers (using the ES-DH2306) but just wondering whether it is important or not! Thanks for your answers
I'm not quite sure what your trying to say with this comment But I don't think i could find a PC enclosure here in the states that would fit all of this hardware. 20x20 x10 deep
Hi Sam, nice video and it makes life so easy with CAD, good to plan early. Just one note, the VFD's make a lot of electrical noise and should be kept away from logic components, it will be a good idea to keep the MASSO as far as possible as you will get electrical noise from the VFD, I have even seen in some industrial enclosures where people put a metal wall around the VFD. Otherwise the electrical noise will affect your VGA signals and other inputs.
Thanks Jatinder, I will take a closer look at that I have not had any issues with a BOB but I never thought about the Masso being the CPU and BOB so yes maybe some interference. Of course there will be a EMI filter before the VFD as well.
I was just thinking the same thing about the VFD and the board. The vfd should have a filter on the supply side also.
Yes you are correct I did not show this in the video i'm deciding on a line reactor or filter.
Nice enclosure you are building. I can see you are installing filters on the logic power and the main circuit side for the DYN drives. I do not think that filters on the main circuit are necessary.
Keep the videos coming, i enjoy watching them :-D
Thank you,
Well I also questioned the need for individual EMI filters on the main power side however thats the way they suggest they be installed and since I'm not a engineer I will add them. I think the drives may like a VFD induce noise. better to be safe.
I am glad you are considering other than Masso. I have been using Mach3 forever but have purchase an Acorn also playing around with Pathpilot and Linux. It's takes a lot of time to do this but it's fun 😀. Enclosure looks very good plus Fusion keep it up nice!
it sounds like your a little torn as well with your choice. I think Linux is a little more to get going but is the most powerful controller out there. Masso Has a lot of potential for Home hobbyist and can be easily updated. Acorn is good for a hobbyist but is somewhat limited with I/o's and I can see much room for improvement there or they start cutting into there Oak series controllers. which is why I shy ed away from it. I am going to move forward with Linux and masso.
I agree with the conclusion on acorn its good but not the magic answer many think it is. The masso does not work with touch screen or a mouse only hot keys? They say there working on it. kind of reminds me of one of the advanced dos systems. Dos was very efficient .Many industril controll systems are similar to MS dos.
That looks nice and tidy. How are you passing power into the box?
You know what I completely forgot about incoming power! The used enclosure came with a power cord already connected to the box so I will not add it to the plate for the connections. But I did fail to mention this. thanks for reminding me.
Great progress!!!
Thanks
have you looked into Centroid CNC Acorn motion controller? just curious as others have great things to say about it...
Hi Phil,
Yes I have looked into the Acorn and touch on it in my CNC controller choices video from a couple weeks ago.
I think there on the right track however it's limited to only 8 I/O's which is a issue I have now with the C11gs. it only supports 4 Axis so that will not work for a ATC. you still need a CPU. So for me a Better choice over Acorn would be Linux CNC for $300 with the mesa boards and a new used PC. A lot more power although not Plug and Play you would need to set up Linuxcnc
Sam I have also heard that the Masso will not allow the use of macros?
Yes Masso is still developing and will still meed time the good thing is it is easily up gradable.
Hi Sam,.. So much going on!.. I just took delivery of a Awesome PM 833T mill with stand! I'm kinda over the moon at the moment.. I also watched your vids on the Masso controller and the DMM drivers and motors.. ( and Just ordered all that yesterday ) whew.. what a Christmas!.. I am retired and am really thankful for your videos and information.. Just Awsome!
I would like to get a copy of your fusion 360 file for the control cabinet.. please advise if that is possible? Thanks Again. Merry Christmas Phil
Hi Phil, Congratulations on your New Mill, I am in the process of putting together the control box and controller. I'm on the fence on the Masso and Linux cnc as you heard in this video. I have added a few things to the controller and have not quite finalized it as of yet. once I do I will be happy to share the fusion 360 files.
Be Safe,
Sam
No trunking?
lol!
Sam another awesome project what are going to do with your old cabinet?
Sale it most likely complete plug and play Cabinet, Leadshine 3 Phase steppers, Lesson 3 ph spindle motor. everything but my mounts.
Hi again ... went back thru your prior controller enclosure videos - and will likely again .. but - Im having a challenge sourcing many of the parts - things like the Dinkle Terminal blocks [ actually ground blocks ] for a single enclosure - most of the sources will only sell ya 50 units !!! Any chance you can post up a BoM list or a link to the sources? Took me a week on Amazon to get most of my stuff - and still missing a bunch. Looking for quality DIN rail mounted fuses, an Omron power relay - not sure which one one to get actually ... as your part changed midstream ... a quality disconnect .... there s more but ... Im kinda getting hte feeling you need a distributor relationship with a automation tech supplier to get affordable deals on a lot of the components in these enclosures ...
Hi Steve,
Are you looking for components for this box or the Original PM727M box? I sourced most things off Ebay a quick search yeilded www.ebay.com/itm/LOT-OF-2-OMRON-MJN3C-AC120-11-Pin-Relays-w-5X853M-Bases-120V-V164/202114040641?epid=1002964353&hash=item2f0eef8341:g:UpcAAOSwfVhaC1i3
Also I got my terminals from this Gentleman also on Ebay Email him with what you need and maybe he can put you a package together. dont for get jumpers. www.ebay.com/itm/DIN-Rail-Ground-Terminal-Blocks-8-Qty-AK1-5-PE-Dinkle-14-AWG-Gauge/122055515732?epid=1378796152&hash=item1c6b135e54:g:tysAAOSwbsBXkoPn
There is a Parts list included in My Plans. Email me if you have any questions.
Be Safe,
Sam
How are you converting the 240 to 110? I use an isolating step down transformer. some people just plug a separate cord in the wall thinking that's isolating it? but if you look in your power panel its just splitting one leg off.
Hi Tom, I'm not splitting 220v just yet no need the drives and VFD runs off 220v. All contactors and controls run of 24v dc. If your talking about the 110v outlet for the CPU/ monitor and Coolant I'm still undecided as to how I will do this I most likely will bring in another 110v from a separate outlet so as not to put to much load on the one. Or like you say add a stepdown transformer which I have it's just a matter of space I also have a line reactor that will be a space decision.
Good question thanks, sam
Cool video brother - love the fusion modeling - that looks like a lot of work.!!! Looking forward to the future build out of this box. I did notice its a bit different than the prior enclosure build from the components standpoint. No "holding circuit" ? No contactor needed this time? Not sure what those two different relays are actually doing. Also on your prior box build video - I tried to find those breakers like the ones youre using in this video - but only saw them at 240v ... in USA for 120V single phase - dont we need 110/120v breakers ?
Thank you, No "holding circuit" ? No contactor needed this time? Yes just will use the ABB contactors. one powers on the Servo drives and 24v ps with a Holding circuit. also will power up the second ABB contactor for the VFD uless the spindle selector switch has it disabled. very similar to the current setup. On the CB those are up to ratings for voltage. of course you can use Fuses.
Hi, could you please let me know where did you find the requirement to put an EMI filter on each driver? I was thinking it would be enough to have a single one in the electrical circuit. I am not using the same drivers (using the ES-DH2306) but just wondering whether it is important or not!
Thanks for your answers
one good article to read: www.cnccookbook.com/cnc-electrical-noise-grounding-techniques-interference-filter/
Patrice Touraine
Yes that info was listed In the DYN4 drive manual.
OK thanks - will look at it and compare to mine to see whether it is required.
Yes a Filter on the VFD is required or a line reactor.
Nice! :)
Thank you
PC computer enclosure price is about 30-50$...
I'm not quite sure what your trying to say with this comment But I don't think i could find a PC enclosure here in the states that would fit all of this hardware. 20x20 x10 deep
CNC4XR7 probably this one can fit m.newegg.com/products/N82E16811123130/specs
Sorry No to small 20.9" x 7.8" x 16.7"