A trip on Germany's "NEW" Intercity train that wasn't meant to EXIST! | DB Stadler KISS review
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- Опубліковано 6 лют 2025
- Today we are taking the former WestBAHN Stadler KISS train on their new missions in Germany with Deutche Bahn. So join me as we explore the intresting past of these trains and how they ended up with Deutche Bahn on a trip from Dresden Hauptbahnhof to Berlin Flughafen.
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Train type: DB Stadler KISS BR 4110
Route: (Chemnitz) - Dresden - Berlin - (Rostock)
Train: IC 2270
Distance: 166 km
Journey time: 1h26m
Average speed: 115 km/h
Price: Starts at 9,90 euro
Many larger Stations have or had these model railway layout (eg. Düsseldorf, Duisburg (this being a display window instead of the usual freestanding layouts), Cologne,...) . The layout itself is always the same, made by Noch, only the scenery varies depending on age and locale. The layouts all feature no longer produced TRIX track and rolling stock, and are built and serviced by a small company in Düsseldorf.
Hamburg Altona Had one too, but i dont know If there is one now, the Last Time i was there is some years ago 😅
@@OptusPlayTV Since they are pretty sturdy and reliable, it most probably is 🙂Must be the only trains of DBAG that never get canceled 😂
@@andreasneugebauer5417 I Need to Check it, i mean i life Like 30 Minutes away 😂
Lübeck used to have one but is gone for a long time.
Stuttgart also, before they started to build Stuttgart 21. I remember that I spend a lot of time in my childhood watching the model railway in the central station.
SBB after some hesitation also starts using Stadler Kiss trains on intercity routes. Wherever high capacity is most important, they certainly do a good job.
No, SBB still doesn't use the Kiss on IC routes. They are now driving more and more IR routes with the Kiss trains, yes, but they do not use them on IC routes. The only exception is the IC from Zürich to Stuttgart which is driven with the DB trains reviwed in the video.
And honestly, the Kiss trains are very great trains for regional service but imo they kinda lack the matureness for IC or IR services. Though I have not yet driven with the new Kiss SBB has put in service (RABe 512) maybe these are better. But it's a similar issue like DB has with the Twindex IC2 becauxe the Kiss was also originally developped for S-Bahn service and you still feel that even in the IC versions.
@@quuxjn2452 I was surprised how comftable the SBB Kiss are.
@@quuxjn2452they used once regional train version of kiss in IC2
(IC2 here is a line, not a train)
And before is often to have regional version of kiss in IR35(not anymore)
They started using it on the IC1 from St. Gallen to Zurich a few weeks ago.
@@moover123 alstom twindexx or stalker kiss?
Wouldn't mind if DB bought more of them instead of using the IC2.
By the way, the IC2 also tends to malfunction a lot, to which DB answered by converting a few IC2 services to ICEs.
Both, the Bombardier Twindexx and the Stadler Kiss, are being designated as IC2 by DB Fernverkehr. That confuses a lot of people. Because the Twindexx is really bad for any journey over 90 min, while the Kiss is actually a good replacement for the old loco-hault IC trains of DB.
@@MattiBlume🎉
I love how in the Swiss trains, the upper deck has that booth style seat near the stair case that can have up to 5 passengers. It's a perfect table to play cards in
This line is relatively new. It was introduced in 2022 due to ongoing demands of local politicians in the Chemnitz metropolitan area. Being populated by over 200,000 people the city of Chemnitz city hasn't been a long distance destination since 2006. The state of Saxony heavily subsidizes this line. Otherwise it would not have come to fruition. However, the travel time is bloated due to the detour over Dresden and the stops in the smaller cities and towns along the route. It takes less time to travel to Leipzig via a regional train and then taking an ICE to Berlin although there is a siginificant stopover in Leipzig for about 30 minutes plus.
Yeah a lot of time is also spent on the BER Airport detour. Quite handy for me as I was going to the airport 😀
I thought the same about the comfort thing especially because this double level thing reminded me of the RE trains operated by DB Regio (the red two level train we've seen in the video as well). But after taking a short journey with it it fells like that's it is more comfortable than the old IC1 trains. Of course, ICE is always the best in matters of comfort when we only look on German train companies. I've taken one trip in an EC from Büchen (yes it's funny that international trains depart from there but not from Lüneburg) to Bratislava operated by the Hungerian railway company. That was quite comfortable as well, maybe a bit more than the ICE (ok, I was traveling 1st class, so maybe it's not that comparable).
you can also run the customized KISS trains in Silicon Valley from the summer, when the first ones should go into operation, until then there will be many test runs with the first 6 trains and the final work on electrification will be done.
Caltrain also has specially adapted customer requirements
Nuremberg has a modal station too I've seen it many times
i was there again last christmas ,2023 awesome
I know that Berlin and some city in Bavaria had this model railway, but they removed both like 15 years ago. Such a shame, it was my favourite part of the stations when I was a kid
I actually took this train model to Berlin airport recently, seemed to work pretty good. At least for the 1 hour trip we took.
Düsseldorf HBF and Neuss Bahnhof got the Model Railway sets, loved them as a Kid, allways wanted to look at it :D
The KISS has even found its way to the US. CalTrain is about to start using them for commuter services in the San Francisco bay area.
i myself took this stadtler KISS IC2 from Dresden to Rostock Hbf in 2020. Beside a signal issue at Berlin Schönefeld Airport, it went smoothly
I used this train some weeks ago from Berlin Gesundbrunnen to Dresden. I like this train.
Its good!
In Zwickau (Saxony) Hbf there is a model railway just like in Dresden, but they are fairly similar
2:55 i know that Chemnitz also has a model railway and Cologne main as well if I recall correctly
The most big main station has one, like Düsseldorf, Hannover, Berlin etc. A lot of them are retired at when the train stations were renovated/refurbished like at Wuppertal main station.
You were lucky getting on board of that train! With that delay the train could have closed the doors any time. Dont stand outside the train enter it so the train can leave earlier.
Train and driver had to change direction, train sat there for at least 2 minutes. I've traveled enough by train now to know how these things work thanks
@@Simon-Andersen It's rare but I have seen trains change direction in under a minute by means of having a driver change that way the new driver was standing ready at the new front end of the train.
Frankfurt Hbf has a model railway as well
Hier ist sicherlich Frankfurt ( M a i n ) Hbf gemeint oder? Ob es in Frankfurt (Oder) 'ne Modellbahn gibt - keine Ahnung...
@@citroen-fan Es ist immer Frankfurt (Main) 😉
A very nice report. We don't have double decker trains like this in the UK, which is a shame. I liked the game graphics on the table for children.
Oldenburg HBF has also a model railway inside the station, but it's a smaller trains station in Lower Saxony
In Braunschweig gibt es noch eine Modellbahn im Hauptbahnhof
I think Heidelberg still has one of these "Minitrix" model railways.
The full dinning car in InterCity Trains from the DB stopped operating on 11th Dec 2023 and it was also only in the first InterCity Train generation, every 2. Gen IC in Germany doesnt have a full dinning car
Heidelberg HBF also has a model railway. I think it looks exactly the same. :D
Leipzig Hauptbahnhof has a modelltrain too😊
i took this train from Berlin Gesundbrunnen to Rostock Hbf in June last year when i was visiting a friend (he couldnt pick me up from the airport so we agreed to meet at Rostock which is closer to him instead). it was more busy than usual but it was pretty decent otherwise. the seats werent bad (although after a while they began to feel kinda hard) but the legroom was a bit disappointing, they were kinda shoved a bit too close to my knees (doesnt help that im tall and i was travelling at second class). it was nice though and got us on time. i do kinda wish Stadler and WESTbahn (the original operators of these trainsets) put a bit more effort into it (legroom is important after all imho) and i wish Bombardier actually put effort into making the IC2 sets for DB and making them work properly. but otherwise theres not much to complain, although the return journey i took was in an ex-Touristikzug InterCity carriage that was super comfy and even had reclining seats (but sadly no proper internet on board) which was part of a push-pull consist with a DB 101 at the back and a control carriage at the front. also a fun fact: for a non-railfan though, the only thing that betrays these sets' colours would be the stitching on the seats, which is in WESTbahn's colours than the DB's traditional colours.
idk if this is mentioned in the video (i havent watched it all sadly) theres a run from Warnemunde to Wien and back because they have to still be maintained by the same guys who maintain the WESTbahn trainsets. and they go thru the night... i very heavily doubt that this service brings any revenue (yes, it really is meant to be a revenue service, otherwise it'd pointlessly run empty for such a long distance), cause last i checked it showed up on vagonweb, but this was for last years' timetable, so...
the Video mentions a 10 hour journey, which must be referring to this route.
i think so yea, like the overall time from Dresden to Rostock, but AFAIK my train arrived at like 19:45 at Gesundbrunnen and at 21:45 at Rostock (it even caught up its delay) but this is going off by memory. it was the last IC for the day, the other option for me was to take the slower RE1.
Шикарниший Вокзал! С такой офигенной ёлкой!
Mönchengladbach Hbf had a model railway when I lived there in the 1980s. In them days it cost 50 pfennig to play
Thank you for this video!!!
Krefeld and Duisburg have those mini railways aswell.
when i remember right Brunswick/Braunschweig had a Model train station.
That is one incredibly green washroom.
7:33 was geht da zwischen den beiden ab? Sie sieht aus wie seine Tochter, oder ist es die Freundin??
Ich muss ja mal anmerken das Dresden einen Mega schönen Hauptbahnhof hat,, der kann ja mit Zürich locker mithalten!
3:45 "la ost deutsche vita" jo was zum henker :D
Berlin ostbahnhof is having a model in the frontentrance. Next to mc donalds
Amazing train system 👍🏻
I think Hamburg Altona has a model railway, or at least it used to have one
It’s a great station in Dresden. Btw. I was shocked to see the state of Copenhagen main station😮
We really should take more care of our main station in Denmark
I really don't understand the dislike for the IC2. It is definitely not more uncomfortable than other long distance trains in the DB rolling stock. I "had to" spend 8 hours in one last year from DD to Cologne and the seats were definitely not uncomfortable to sit on for hours on end. The speed is the only criticism that I consider valid. They should really have a max speed of 200. However, if you want to believe DB, they mostly operate on lines where they cannot drive faster than 160 kph anyway. What I also consider a really amazing feature are the single slot bike spaces. No annoying fiddling with other passengers' bikes when you have to get off ahead of other bike users.
Iirc Leipzig HBF also has a model railway near platforms 9 and 10.
There's a big difference between the Twindexx IC2s and the Kiss IC2s. I'm not tall by any meansl, but I can't stand the Twindexx' seats for more than 90 min. The Kiss seats are nice though.
ICE probably has some of the most comfortable seats ever, especially due to those thin head pillows. Far better than regional trains / ICs imo
As faras I know. The Berlin Ostbahnhof has a model railway as well near the McDonalds. I'm not sure if that still exists though
Even the old IC1 sets do not have dining cars anymore due to DB retiring the cars with foldable doors.
Ah yeah that recent! IC has really just become a glorified long regional train
Leipzig Mainstation also has a Modell Railway
I love that they have a Ludmilla in their model ❤❤❤ And I really don't like the light on the toilet 🤮
Hamburg has a massive display adjacent to the station.
Ah, the Teppich-RE... (carpet regional express)
Düsseldorf HBF has a model Railway at it!
The argument with the IC2 is that the routs its on doesnt benefit from a faster train.
there is a litle model railway in nearly every big station
Cool! Didn't know they are this common in Germany
Not a station, but Horsens has a model railway almost right outside the mall
Hannover has a model Railway but only during winter Month
Cologne and Düsseldorf have a model railway
Damn those people can stare
08:45 you can piss on the door handle when using the urinal
Der Nürnberger Hauptbahnhof hat auch eine kleine Modellbahn
Dresden Neustadt +7 delay.Elsterwerda on time???The distance is 54 km.The average speed is 202 km/h??Is this correct??
It's probably close to 200 km/h on that stretch. I've used the delays listed on the DB app on the day, so maybe there is a slight error in the data or something 😄
If they had just invested into better interior there would be no real problem with the IC 2, the original IC trains had great seating after all and was accetable for overnight services, which these trains also service.
I am not a fan of their seats and the group seats with a table aren't even chairs but shitty couches.
Even though these trains are still new, DB should invest into completely overhauling the interior.
2:59 Oldenburg in Oldenburg;)
The 1st and 2nd class don't use the "same seats". Note, there are double armrests in 1st, but only single armrest in 2nd class in-between the two seat layout. I know, some might consider it an insignificant detail, but when you sit in a train, you most certainly don't want to "share" an armrest with another passenger, so the 1st class is much better in that regard on this train.
apart from that, are there any differences? other than the obviously more spread out seat arrangement.
there is another speciality with westbahn trains: they have 1st class, 2nd class and comfort 2+. I don't know if they have converted the comfort 2+ class to 1st or 2nd, but it might be a detail to look at.
@@CFRTrainSpotter The seat pitch in 1st is greater, but yeah, otherwise it's technically the same seat, just a different layout.
Yeah excalty basically the same seat. But thanks for pointing out, I did not actually notice!
You can actually "enjoy" a night ride on this kind of train from Rostock to Vienna via Berlin and Nuremberg (IC270) and vice versa.
yes, the reason for this line is, that these trains need to be maintained. DB does not operate a center that can maintain exactly these trains. so the maintenance happens in austria in the center where they were originally maintained.
but to do that, they need to go to vienna. they could drive them over there empty, but it is better to fill the train with passengers to earn money.
So is the accessible carriage still accessible with the big height gap between train and platform? 🤔
No.
Not really no, you need staff to deploy a ramp
I dont really see a point in restaurant cars... I mean, yeah, there is the convenience of being able to get food on long journeys, but then, it is usually damn overpriced (no surprise cos it is on a train), so you are really better off just bringing a bit of your own food with you... unless you are travelling for days (which isnt really the case in Europe), you should be fine with a bit of food and drink in your backpack... it is called being prepared for your journey and saving a lot of money... so, as long as the train itself is nice, I dont mind if there isnt a restaurant car - not everyone can afford eating there, y know? :)))
You answered your own question. Some can and do pay for a bit of convince at least some of the time. I'd much rather have a cold beer and hot curry wurst from a DB dining car than some lukewarm beer from the local REWE and a whatever prepacked sandwich that's been sitting in my backpack for 4 hours. There is nothing wrong with preparing for a long journey especially to save money, but not every traveller is like that, hence they also still exist on ICE etc :))
@@Simon-Andersen speaking of curry wurst, so many ppl were singing songs about that, tried it, but didnt blow me away :D Austrian kasekrainer or US cheesy brat tho :D
can you please tell me the route exceptions where I can travel with regional ticket on ICs
I know Stuttgart - Singen - Konstanz line is one of them (correct me if I'm wrong)
Between Rostock and Stralsund you can even take ICE trains.
Rostock Hbf - Stralsund Hbf
Stuttgart Hbf - Singen/Konstanz
Westerland - Niebüll (nur IC 2075 an Werktagen, außer samstags)
Bremen Hbf - Norddeich Mole/Emden Außenhafen
Erfurt - Gera
Freilassing - Berchtesgaden
Dresden Hbf - Chemnitz Hbf
Dortmund Hbf - Dillenburg
Berlin Hbf - Elsterwerda
Berlin Südkreuz / BerlinSpandau - Prenzlau
Potsdam Hbf - Cottbus Hbf
bare lige til info så staves the Delay ikke Dealy
Slå fejl, det sker
Leipzig Hbf definitely also has a model railway in the station
Chemnitz as well!
Also Bremen.
Cologne and Düsseldorf have a model railway
try Düsseldorf. it's had one for decades ...and it's still there!
Frankfurt too
02:58 Leipzig Hbf (Leipzig Mainstation)
Chemnitz hbf has a Model Train
4:54 i found another dealy :D
Die Sitze mit Tisch sind doch einfach nur grausam, wie soll man da lange sitzen? Für Rollifahrer ist der Zug natürlich auch nichts, diese müssen wieder in einem extra Wagen fahren, wenn er dann vorhanden ist. Das man sein Gepäck nur am Eingang abstellen kann freut die Diebe natürlich ungemein.
It's SO much better than the IC2!
It is an IC2. There are just two versions of IC2, the poor Bombardier Twindexx and the decent Stadler Kiss.
nuremberg has also model railway :)
Leipzig has a model railway, but it still owes me a Euro
1. Intersting how you say Chemnitz, no hate but its wrong. 2. The same model Railway isn in Berlin Ostbahnhof.
1. That also stuck with me, but only because most other city names were pronounced very well. 2. Almost every main station in Germany has this (almost) exakt model railway (always the same layout, but different buildings and trains).
I'm not sure either. I'm Danish so been quite exposed to German but I gusss not Chemnitz 😄
Not sure about German stations, though I feel I remember one or two from being a child and growing up in Germany. I can say that last time I was at Kansas City's Union Station that they had a model railroad on exhibit.
The Danish pronunciation of "Dresden" with the soft "D" in the middle is never not amusing. Anyways, thanks for the upload.
Yeah, can't help it 😅 Thanks for watching 😄
@@Simon-Andersen yeah quality as always 👍
I‘m totally fine with the pronunciation. Here in the very west of Germany we would pronounce it similar than you did.
@@MausTheGerman is that the Plattdeutsch influence?
This is a really stupid train! It doesn't even offer more comfort than a regular regional train and our 1990's loco hauled Intercity is much faster and has more comfy seats.
The Kiss is way better (faster and more comfortable) than basically any regional train of DB Regio. The other version of the IC2 is stupid.
The way you pronounce "Chemnitz" is almost painful ^^ But great video nontheless
Winging it with my limited German knowledge didn't work this time 😄 thanks for watching
2023? :)
Yup, video recorded and edited in 2023 😁
From WC USA, Great Video! I could be wrong but I believe that many presenters in Germany don’t realize that a lot of people in the world speak English and to me if you present in English or at least have English sub-titles you will get a lot more people interested in visiting Germany and at the same time riding German Trains! I know when I was stationed there in the 1960’s I enjoyed riding trains on leave or even on weekends! You could go many places and at least spend the whole day of Saturday there! You could still get back to base by Monday morning, of course you would really be tired but it was worth it!
Hey WC, I think that most content creators in Germany are aware of the fact that English has a big footprint. But the German-language railways- or transport-related channels I know are usually focused on quite specific railway news within the German-speaking countries, so I assume that there would not be that much interest abroad anyway. In addition, if you consider the viewers from Germany, Austria and Switzerland your core audience, you probably don't want to present your content in English as not everybody may be able to understand or willing to listen to it. After all, your "local market" is still some 90 million people in Europe when you use German.
Thanks - it sounds really great, that people could be interesting on things we see as boring day to day thing. Giving this advise on an english video feels a bit strangely placed though - much like on dvds telling folks piracy is bad, while the pirated copies had that cut out ;)
Well I don't speak fluent German, I'm Danish :p But thanks for watching!
Cattle class 😢
Vmax of Stadler KISS is 140 KMh
nope, this version goes up to 200
@@MattiBlume 160 KmH
@@SternenruferinPatchouli1 wrong. It's still 200 km/h
@@MattiBlume google it , 140 KMH
No. There are 160 km/h versions and 200 km/h versions. The one described here is a 200 km/h version
I know that the ICE is now 'the product' passengers should take, but this IC is a far cry from the loco-hauled trains of the past. Sure, you can get more people in it, but it's not really all that romantic, is it?! Plus it's nice to be served coffee by an actual person.
Please use these benches: these are horrible ....; if you use a first class seat ... you will not complain ... but please use the benches in the second class ... these are like the third class ...
Why it shouldn't exist it's just a good train it should exist 😡
Did you watch the video lol? It's about DB shouldn't have had Stadler kiss in thelr fleet but why they got them anyway?
Hey, please blur faces of others that don't explicitly consent to being filmed. Thats part of being nice to each other and protects others privacy.
No No No...I usually love your work but this just doesn't sound right.
Sorry...but this time the original wins by far.
nice clickbait