Why Germany is Getting Rid of Its "New" High-Speed Regional Express Train
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- Опубліковано 28 лис 2024
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Join me for scenic journey aboard the München Nurnberg Express, featuring the notorious BR 102 trains from Škoda. Despite their reputation for being troublesome, these modern trains offer a unique travel experience. Join me to experience the quirks and challenges of the BR 102 trains, from technical glitches to unexpected delays, all while enjoying the comfort and style of this high-speed regional train service.
Train type: BR 102 + Skoda Push-Pull Wagons
Route: Nürnberg Hauptbahnhof to München Hauptbahnhof
Train: RE 1 M'unchen - Nürnberg Express (4019)
Distance: 170km
Journey time: 1h 49m
Average speed: 94 km/h
Price: 26€ 2nd / 41.50€ 1st
Working for Siemens Mobility, I heard stories internally, that when DB was ordering trains for this specific purpose, Siemens (and either Stadler or Bombardier at that time), refused to deliver trains due to some really nasty requirements, that they were not sure they could fulfill within the given time frame. Hence Skoda was chosen as they tried to, but in fact failed miserably.
One problem (of multiple) apparently was, that the doors must be air tight, as those trains may pass 300km/h ICEs while going through a tunnel. At that time, there were no regional trains capable of doing so without massive modifications in the respective portfolios. Today we could offer a version of the DesiroHC. The six car unit can go up to 190km/h with air tight doors. And from today on, there actually is a regio line between Nuremberg and Erfurt with six car DesiroHC, that actually go 190km/h. Maybe a good idea for the future of the MüNüx, too.
Please be advised: what I said about the issues and the offering I can not verify at this point, as I was not working for Mobility at that time, but only heard some stories recently from colleagues.
Thanks for the insights, seems to allign a lot with what the media has reported also. I think there is a very high chance that in the new tender Siemens will bid with a variation of the DesiroHC
That´s not suprisind since other trains from same family are build for speed to 160KPH or slower.
Fairness, before they went for the Skoda-Unit. They used the regular single-deck coaches, with pressured doors. But they wanted to increase the number of seats without losing the highspeed bonus. Stadler has already an unit with the ability go higher than 160 km/h.. but the contract won Skoda thanks to the EU-Shoggie-Mullie.
The sentence fits here perfectly, "You get what you deserve".. in this case.. cheap and hope.. to survive the first runs.
Most of the technical problems itself, come also from the locomotives computer stuff.. Which had to work with the GER-Standards.. not the basic one from CZ where they run already.
A lot of technical problems and other things.. plague the 102.. and Dosto combo.
@@Train-Rental-StubeTRI-tr9no Those trains, that were used before, were actual InterCity cars with a regular high speed locomotive, used for long distance trains in Germany before. They were really comfortable, but pretty old and currently those trains are used for Ulm-Stuttgart, so they are not available.
And yeah, I agree: you get what you pay for. If it's good and fast, it's not cheap. If it's cheap and fast it's not good. And if it's cheap and good it is actually neither of those, as it's either delayed or the costs will explode (or both). Hope they learned their lesson and will place sensible orders in the future, no matter the manufacturer.
@@Train-Rental-StubeTRI-tr9no Ehm, Czech Railways would love to get rid of those locomotives too. There were super overpriced and just very few pieces were built. Also installation of ETCS into those is too expensive. Unfortunately for "some reason" they cannot find a buyer for them...
Considering the recent development in Germany, my guess is that they will be painted white and rebranded Intercity. And of course, carpet will be added. And the speed will be limited to 160.
I was laughing but also holding back tears because of how true this is
The DB is not that satisfied either with the push pull Double Decker IC2 ~ so I beliefe this Skoda trainsets will be sold 🙈
That is just dumb and unnecessary hate without any knowledge about this topic.
I would not call this "recent developemend". The IC 2 trains are already 9 years old and in recent years DB ordered quite high quality trainsets like the ICE 3neo
@@br103fan I am quite certain that the trend is more towards IC to ICE.
When you look at how many ICE-L units have been ordered replacing IC1 services or other services which have been transformed from IC towards ICE.
For the customer itself this doesn't have only benefits as the ICE services are more expensive than the IC ones.
Škoda Transportation has a troublesome history. Their products, mostly locos, were always too unreliable but the national operator, ČD, was always "forced" to order from the domestic market. Therefore their locos were undergoing finetuning to the point that they were somehow usable and now, 30-40 years after, they are actually quite reliable. The same goes for their new products. City Elefants, doubledecker EMUs, were a huge upgrade, however they have always had too many issues during temperature extremes.
Nowadays, Skoda has one solid product, Regiopanter and these are actually quite competitive and have minimum issues. Their only downside is that they are very noisy above the bogies but their ride is super smooth and the interior is very good.
Unfortunately, even RegioPanters perform bad, for example in Latvia in December 2023.
@@coolx8097 I don't consider these Regiopanters, they are officially called 16EV I think and they are based off Panters but for a wider track gauge. But as with everything from Skoda, wait 5 years and they will perform well, maybe. 😁 Let's wait for the Estonian ones.
I think it's a bit of an overatatement that nothing from Skoda has ever worked.
As far as I know their locos built before the revolution in 1989 were reasonably reliable.
I think the biggest problem with modern Skoda trains is they often put them in service before the fine tuning takes part, which hurts the reputation of these new trains. This is true for City Elefants, 109E, Regiopanters...
That is perfectly demonstrated in the comment under this video about Siemens not wanting to develop this kind of train so quickly, instead they took their time and I'm quite sure the Deriso HC will be very good from the start of their service because of that.
Skoda instead took the order and developed a new train from scratch, had it approved and immediately delivered it to DB, hence bad reliability...
@@lukasprendky252the Desiro HC is an excellent train
I have ridden these a lot with the Deutschlandticket and it feels like an IC train in second class. They're among my favourite german regionals!
If only they were more reliablie, the interior is good!
As a Czech, it saddens me to see Škoda trains being so bad, but it simply is the case even with all their other units. From the outside it looks like a "normal" train from a manufacturer like Siemens, but the quality just isn't there. They are increadibly loud, not only while running, but also while stationary (i think it's the airconditioning and ventilation systems + the cooling of the electric motors). Plus all sorts of noises coming from weird places. They are unreliable as seen here, but they can have even more issues during winter. The units here in Czechia have the same issue everytime it snows, where the snow gets into I bielieve it is the transformator cooling vent and the train stops working. They just aren't as well thought out as they should be. I am still proud that we have a domestic rolling stock manufacturer, but I would rather take a Stadler or a Siemens train to work than the Škoda units that I have to use now. Btw. the locomotives which haul this push-pull set are a national disaster on an even greater level.
The chance is pretty high, that this trains will be replaced by Desiro HC and Skoda doesn`t recieve any new order from DB and other EMUs and i would say, that the poor performance was one of the biggest reasons to avoid them. They had a chance and don't use it at all....sadly
Thanks for sharing.
Warsaw has metro trains from Siemens (Inspiro) and Skoda (Varsovia). Having been on board both, I have a slight preference towards Skoda. Most notably, I find Skoda quieter than Siemens. Not a huge difference, but it's there. Skoda is only a recent addition to the Warsaw rolling stock so it's too early to tell how reliable Skoda trains are over time, but so far so good, the teutonic dominance is wavering 😁.
To be fair, a couple of German cities got some Škoda trams recently and honestly, from what I have experienced, they’re pretty excellent and seem to be running without issues.
Let's hope no Swedish company will think it found a bargain!
The Czech version of the loco works pretty fine nowadays. There were issues in the past and some political scandals, Škoda Transportation was owned at that time of the development and order by some untrustworthy people who were interested into getting their pockets full and to milk any company they owned. Owners changed (already years ago). The ČD (Czech Railways) wanna get rid of them for some reasons, but not because of reliability: 1. There is missing ETCS. In my view a mistake of the operator while ordering procedure many years ago. 2. There is no dedicated place for the ETCS components inside. So there would be needed more effort to fit the components in. 3. There was only 1 offer for the ETCS upgrade. Due to the bigger effort, the price was very high. The other reason for the high price: There are only 20 locos. The smaller the number of units, the more expensive the conversion will be. This is good visible at the older series 362 with around 80 pieces which is more expensive to maintain. But ETCS was much cheapter per piece. 4. Originally ČD wanted more units of this new loco. But times changed and public tenders were introduced (EU law). So ČD can‘t order directly. As before compared, there are only 20 pieces. Having them makes the maintenance and use more complicated. Todays operators manage like airlines: large amounts of the same unit. ČD decided to go with new Vectrons. ČD ordered 2022 50 Vectron for 230 km/h. This year ČD will already own around 60 Vectrons for 200 km/h. A part from that is financed by leasing with the option to buy them out of the contract. The freight subsidiary ČD Cargo bought some Vectrons too. ČD Cargo gets older locos from ČD with ETCS (there is no big need for locos for over 140 km/h for freight).
So the decision to get rid of the new Škoda locos is much more complicated as some guys here are mentioning.
Towards the Škoda train in Germany: Sadly we don’t get any informations what‘s really happening. I read in Czech magazines once that Škoda have issues to get spare parts on time, because many of them were produced in Ukraine. On the other hand I‘ve read that the locos are very powerful in the acceleration (even compared to Vectrons). Loud fans aren‘t that of a topic. Škoda does have the know how to build carriages for up to 200 km/h. Transtech Škoda is a subsidiary of Škoda Transportation. They are building double decker trains for Finland for a speed of 200 km/h with the needed pressure tightness.
For me, the problems with the German trains are primarily due to unspecific requirements at the beginning, which have been expanded and changed over time. But Škoda also massively underestimated the order. The double-decker trains in the Czech Republic (approved for 160 km/h) are identical to the German car bodies. The concept of these push pull trains was already built for the Slovakian State Railways. In Germany and the Czech Republic, the train head just looks more modern due to newer crash requirements. The engine room of the German locomotive differs massively from the Czech version.
pravda - hodinový výkon 109e je 7200kW, a německá verze nemá brzdové odporníky, má jinak uspořádaný řídící pult atd.....
Happy to see a famous personality in your video at 0:33 - Rainer keeping the Zarenstein warm.
I love Nürnberg hbf, finally a station that figoured out that by having a door separating the platforms from the waiting area, the latter will be significantly more pleasant, especially during winter
Since this train is the only one that stops at my next station, I am impressed by how „empty“ the train is. Normally the train is so full that you often can't even get on it. This is even worse because the train usually only runs every two hours and is often cancelled. Usually the train from Ingolstadt only stops in Rohrbach, Pfaffenhofen and Petershausen, so it travels even faster.
When i was taking this trip, the timetable was modified, due to even more than usual of these Skoda trains being out of service, so that can explain the extra stops
The main problem with these trains was the chaotic development. They were custom built by DB's requirements but when they were done, the "DB Re-shuffle" was in full force and every new head of this project wanted to have their say on it and change stuff. Even though the prototype was done in 2016, it had to be delayed.
The Czech railway will also get rid of this locomotives! Europe wide there are 28, and it seems that they will not get old and are the last locomotives from Skoda for a long time!
bohužel - na to, co ta lokomotiva umí, tak se ostatní výrobci mohou jít zahrabat
@@StereoCZ It does not matter if the trains keep breaking down! We will see, if there is a second market for these trains!
Last? Estonia is getting new škoda trains
@@siiluviilu Regio trains? This product is different from push-pull trains with these locomotives!
Toilet issues seem quite common. There was an occasion where I also had to walk through a whole 6 car unit to finally find a working toilet🤣, though that was on the RE3 Donau-Isar-Express (München - Passau) with traditional double decker. I guess that's not a particular issue of this type of train.
The only issue I have with that train is the rather cramped space on the single seats on the upper deck; Apart from that aspect I never had issues like major delays caused by overtaking high-speed trains
Two years ago I was stopping in Munich and decided to use the (at the time) 9 Euro ticket to travel to Nuremburg via Regensburg, and then get the RE1 back to Munich. Having spent a few hours in Nuremburg, I went back to the station to get the train back to Munich, only to find it was cancelled. Since alternatives would not have got me back to Munich for well over an hour after the RE1, I ended up paying extra to get an ICE instead.
This year I did things the other way around. I was in Nuremburg and travelled to Regensburg and then Munich, planning on getting the last RE1 back at just after 8. Got to Munich HBF and looked to see where my train would be going from. Train cancelled. Ended up having to get the slower train at half past that instead of getting me back at just after 10, didn't get me back until gone midnight.
"Phew", an expression of relief, sounds like "few" rather than "pew", which is often drawn out into "pee-ew", which is an exclamation of disgust -- I first thought you meant the working toilet you finally found smelled bad. 😻
Hahah! My danish accent probably did not help contribute to what i really meant 😁
Nice to see the internal doors my former colleagues and me built at IFE Tebel (NL), at least those seem to be in good working order. I remember some of those glass doors were very narrow, we were wondering how a large beer-bellied German could get through.
I would love if these videos were a bit more like a documentary rather than the focus beeing on the journey.
The new tender/contract asks for trains which are built in 2020 or later. The Skoda trains are built in 2019, although they entered service not before 2020. So a 'coincidence', you could say.
This Trains history reminds me of the IC4 here in Denmark.
Its similar in many aspects
Good video !!! Well done !!!
Too bad this good looking train has so many problems. How was the ride quality at top speed?
Felt fine to me when I rode it
It's fine! Not remarkably good or bad
Amazing! I took the exact same ride. I think we were also overtaken by an ICE in the "wrong lane" while standing in front of the tunnel.
Maybe you were on the same train :D
It would be cool to have a video ranking of passenger train manufacturers. Maybe even a tierlist. It would probably get pretty controversial in the comments with so many manufacturers having such a national character lol
Its also really hard to judge, because you have no real standardized way of messuaring and especially the big companies now make so many trains. Could be fun tho!
Maybe Deutsche Bahn needs to talk with the Swiss Stadler company about getting actual reliable EMU's for regional service.
They already have a shit ton of those. Unfortunately, even a 6-car Stadler KISS does not meet the required capacity for this service. Besides this, Stadler‘s solution for step-free access at 75cm platforms has (rightfully) received some major criticism for not meeting accessibility standards.
@@ft4709 the accessibility solution of the scodas is shit
New tender will soon start for this line and i have a feeling Skoda wont even attempt to bid for it
DB has both KISS and Desiro HC trains which are both great
I previously almost got Stadler confused with the German company that made pencils as their names sound a bit similar
It can't be as bad as Ansaldo Breda products or NH-90 😉😂
Nice and hot train!
Good video
Where do you get the data on the reliability of these trains? Internet is so full of speculations and false info, the only reliable sources are DB and the manufacturer Skoda.
Here you go, press release from DB from last year, about how they have to change the timetable and replace some skoda trains with other types due to issues with their reliablity. www.deutschebahn.com/de/presse/presse-regional/pr-muenchen-de/aktuell/presseinformationen/Muenchen-Nuernberg-Express-Neue-Schnellverbindungen-ueber-das-Altmuehltal--11157644#
@@Simon-Andersen From last year, August 2023. DB statement says selected units removed temporarily from service. And here you are, June 2024, riding a Skoda. Nothing has been "gotten rid of".
@@comdo831 Excalty, they are getting rid of them, because of the reliability issues they been having for years, as mentioned in that article from DB. If they'd had been good trains, the next tender for the route probably wouldn't specifically have requirements that rule out these trains to be Re-introduced as mentioned in the video. At the end of the day there are plenty of evidence pointing to these trains not being great, such as their delay in introduction, numerous cancelations on this route. Railcolour news have coverd this extensively railcolornews.com/category/skoda/skoda-109e-db-regio/
@@Simon-Andersen The contract between DB Regio and the BEG for the servicing of the line in question ends in 2028. Hence the need to hold a new tender for the time frame beyond 2028. This is not related, at least not directly, to the quality of the trains. Whether DB Regio will enter the tender, with or without trains from Skoda, is another matter.
@@comdo831 BEG specifically said they want trains that were produced after 2021, which means the Skoda are out of the game.
Kann man mit dem Deutschlandticket denn München-Nürnberg Express fahren würde mich mal Interessieren oder ist das Fernzug?
Kann man. Ist nen regio trotz Schnellfahrstrecke :)
@@Lolwutfordawin danke für die Info man beim Deutschlandticket gar keine Übersicht was man fahren kann sollte mal besser aufgelistet werden
@@karlgerloff4696 Ist eigentlich nicht all zu komplex: Wenn es ein RB/RE Zug ist oder öffentliche Verkehrsmittel einer Stadt/eines Gebiets, kannst du in der Regel fahren. Wenn es ein IC/ICE/EC oder Zug eines privaten/ausländischen Unternehmens ist, kannst du nicht fahren.
@@Der-Kleine Nicht vergessen: es gibt auch einige wenige Züge, die eine RE Bezeichnung haben, aber in Wirklichkeit ein IC sind, der von der DB Fernverkehr betrieben wird und in denen gilt das Deutschlandticket nicht, wobei es dazu mittlerweile meines Wissens nach auch wieder ausnahmen gibt.
@@karlgerloff4696 es ist ein normaler Regionalexpress, RE ... damit kannst den fahren
Looks like a very badly made 3rd gen DD.
Those toilets may have the same problem as we do, either the tanks or full, water tanks empty, the air supply has failed, the sensor has failed, or something else...
even tho its running at the line next to my hometown id rather use the slower rb16. as you said in the video its filled with technical problems. also i dont understand the design of the passenger cars. the stairs take so much space, i light inside the trains give me headaches and its quite loud for such an new train.
but i have to add a quick note:
the re1 doesnt always stop at baar-ebenhausen. there are 2 types of re1:
the skoda re1 and the bombardier re1.
the bomardier also runs around treuchtlingen to ingolstadt instead of the schnellfahrstrecke. it takes a little bit longer than the skoda.
Nürnberg Hbf is a beautiful station from the outside but inside its a horrific mess. I'm used to higher standards as a berliner. People act like Berlin is filthy but compared to it, lots of cities have worse train stations. Its messy and the toilets are a disgrace
There is 2 major problems (just only looking at this)
1. Narrow doors
2. Double deck design
Fo busy regional trtain with frequent stop service - will increase booking time on busy stations, make delays.
For regional service - single deck with wide doors, closer to the middle, and more open space is a lot better (like Stadler Flirt)
This train doesn't make very frequent stops.
Capacity was the issue they tried to solve with this train. The line used to be run with IC cars and Br101 locos, which were often at full capacity or above it. But they couldn’t add more cars since the platform length is limited, and can’t be increased in some cases. So double deck was the only viable solution. Add to that the need for air tight doors and you need a newly and highly customized train set.
uhm what? Booking time? You mean bording time? The train makes only very few stops and doesn't take a lot of time at the stations in between
Most busy regional express lines here in Germany run just fine with double decker trains. The time penalty at stations really isn’t that big of a deal for this kind of service. There are only three major stations en route, two of them being at the ends where the train has a longer dwell time anyway, so it’s really only Ingolstadt Hbf where you probably need to stop for 1-2mins longer.
People usually don’t carry big luggage on these trains, which majorly speeds up boarding compared to double decker long distance trains and isn’t much different to single decker regional trains. In my experience level boarding (or lack thereof) has a much bigger influence on boarding time.
used to pendeln between Ingolstadt and München for a month with this train and oh my god the anxiety waiting this train xD it's a very very good service on paper but to pendle? it is kind of a nightmare
'commute', not 'pendle'
Hey simon, Can make upload of scenes of Nürnberg (Nuremberg) U-Bahn pls
I did not have time to film a video on the U-bahn when i was there, maybe in the future !
I had to use this abommination before I upgraded to an ICE-commuter-ticket and it was horrible... these rides got cancelled more often then that they took their journey... and if they did, with delay, of course!
The Nuermberg main station was first built in 1847
There's the same locomotives and train sets in czechia and they seem to work fine here.
Not really the same. The speed of 190kmh and additional tech makes it more difficult than one might think. Doors have to be built different, due to pressure in tunnels when high speed trains pass by. The singnaling system is also different, "green" and "red" signals are transmitted via electric signals to the bord computer of the train, a special german system not used in Czechia, I think. Exactly this LZB system of the train failed on Simons trip, therefore the delay.
"work fine" yet they'll be removed from the service next year
@@ProtectusCZ didn't know that, I rode with them several times on the ex7 line where they operate an hourly service and I don't recall them having any issues.
If you ever plan on coming to the US, would you mind doing a review of the Acela?
I did one a while back ua-cam.com/video/70Hbs80Ru_I/v-deo.html but i would like to redo it with my new camera at some point!
To Skodas defense... the DB went absolutley haywire with what they wanted and when they wanted it. And as typical butchered the operation of the trains. i get to ride the CD version from time to time when visiting prague and they are absolutley top notch and have a very decent track record in Czechia too. i rteally hate that the db is giving up on them they could have been superb on regional express lines if procured in larger numbers. instead i gotta ride the siemens HC crap..........well shit.
Well to some extend yes, but the Skoda 109E locomotives that hauls these trains aren't excatly know for reliabilty in the CD version either.
@@Simon-Andersen - není pravda, to bývávalo, protože se nechávaly jezdit se závažnými závadami, které se neřešily - teď naopak velmi často zaskakují za taurusy při tahání railjetů
What is so bad about the Desiro HC?
@@matteofezzi3438 Lets see, hard and too narrow seats, the ride comfort of a medival wheelborrow, unreliable (at least on rxx routes, seriously when they couple therte a 50/50 chance one of the units will give up on life. and again for the rxx routes lacking capacity that cannot be easily extended because they are fucking emus instead of push and pull formations. they look nice though i give em that.
I'm not sure why the deceptive title was necessary. Why not promote it as the review it is?
Less then 10 years?! Probably less then 5 years.😢
They feel like an airplane, I once rode them
the entry area on these trains feel so cramped and the stairs and gangways are very narrow.
0:18
Ten years?
You mean currently about 3 years.
Sounds like the Italien Ansaldo trams delivered to Gothenburg. Trams delivered without grease in tthe bearings, terrible wear of tracks and wheels....
And the Ansaldo trains we have here in Denmark!
@@Simon-Andersen having the same quality?
DB is always cancelling this service or replacing the Skoda trains with Bombardier Teindexx Vario train sets
Unrealistic, as the twindixx only runs up to 160kmh and doesn’t have the necessary train protection system. Not air tight either. They often use the old trains they used, consisting of old, repainted IC cars and Br 101 locos
@@speedfire95 exactly unrealistic indeed but true
Lacks the ETCS and the speed
With a max speed of 160kmph it is not capable of keeping up with the schedule and ends up being late and the return service is cancelled due to this
as we say in spain, cheap things end up being expensive. There is no good reason why they shouldn't have bought a capable train from a manufacturer wit a good history like Siemens Desiro HC, Staedler KISS or Alstom Coradia Max (previously known as Stream HC). It is the same with the very bad PESA one deck regional trains, it seems like Bayern tried to cheap out and is no paying the comsequences (luckily GoAhead and Transdev were smart enough to buy siemens and staedler for their services in Bayer)
Im afaid that they likely wouldn't have been very interested. This is a very specific concept that required a lot of specific R&D thats not really usable for anything else and was not much of a profitable venture after everything... 200 km/h regional train with pressure tightness, highspeed track high platforms and having to withstand huge pressures when passing ICEs at 300 km/h...
Taking GoAhead as a reference for reliability is funny.
Actually they even could have ordered KISS-Push-Pulls, but why should you do that, if the "normal" KISS has faster Aceleration ...
In the time they where ordered the Siemens Desiro HC or Alstom Coradia Max didn‘t even exist yet! So they have had to be creative, almost construct something new and went with Skoda a Producer which was new to the German railway sector.
Existing trains where only able to go to 160 km/h and where not „druckertüchtigt“
@@Kaiserschmarren The problem is DB Regio Bayern and DB Infra GO had specific requirements for trains running on this line (Ive met people who worked on the project)
Hi, I am a frequent traveller on this route, and I can say, this Skoda trainsets are really a piece of crap.
Very noisy and almost no heating in some areas, especially during winter 2023/24.
No space in 2nd class at all (almost every time durig the day and on the weekends also during the night), one is squished in like fish in a tin can. And I am 175cm tall, not very tall for german standards. DB really could have gone for longer trainsets of 8 or 10 cars and go for an EMU configuration in the first place, instead of loco-push-pull on this high-demand route, which adds one car to the trainset, where people can be hauled around.
Very cheap feeling overall quality. I mean, just look at the foldable tables in 2nd class. They are made of plastic and make a loud cracking noise when you fold them down or up, makes you feel they are cracking into pieces.
NO on board WiFi and even no mobile signal passthrough in some areas of the train. I mean, DB!? HELLLOOOOO!? we're writing 2024 and this is a major route! I don't understand DB's decision not to offer this.
NO information display working for weeks.
Almost no room for getting in and out from the bike compartment.
In addition to technical issues with the trainsets, this route has so many problems high passenger demand that makes people sit on the floors and stairs, train delayments and cancelllings occur (mostly due to this) as well as technical issues with the (not so old but obviously badly maintained) infrastructure.
Recently, DB started to use Bombardier EMUs on that route, and they do SO MUCH better, but they also have a way too short train length for this route and still NO WIFI! Also, they started to run the service via Roth, which makes the trip much more scenic, but adds more time to the overall journey and the trains almost never run at max speed and still almost never on-time.
Can I use the German Ticket to ride this train?
Yes!
@@Simon-Andersen That's great! Gonna take this one:)
What a shame, I kinda like how the locomotives look :D
Simon, please note :
In the King's English: Bayern is Bavaria, Munchen is Munich, etc. Just as a pointer -- you may wish to check the English geographical names when making these videos. Additionally, Nurnberg is Nuremberg. Thank you. Lulú du Furet
I think that his use of German is great, it is always good to recognise local place names and their pronunciation. However I do still agree that he should add some English in case of misunderstanding.
I really can't win, can I? I try to do it the local way, and people say to do it the English way, and vice versa 😆
@@Simon-Andersen Simon, you can and do win. No question. Please bare in mind that the English-speaking audience skewers on the provincial side. Outside of the Brits, the rest of the English-speaking worlds tends to fail on geography. Thus, when you use the vernacular for pronunciation, you risk confusing them. Otherwise, your videos are great and I will be d*mned if I can figue out where you come from. Kind regards, Lulú
It's disingenuous to call this train high speed. isn't 200km/h the threshold?
remember it being 250, tough its high speed for a regional train. Its 200 and 250 is a category higher
@@tacoaficionado It's 200 for a renovated existing train line and 250 for a newly built line.
For me 161 km/h is the mark for high speed for a very simple reason. All vehicles and routes above 160 km/h need special train control systems (like LZB or ETCS for example in germany) because the speeds are to high for the train driver to see all signales in time and react and brake in the control braking distance of 1 km.
@@darksoundzzin the room the drive the train it says What light the NeXT signal is so the dont need to see it
@@carolinekindblom5535 I am actually a train driver, u don't need to explain me how LZB or ETCS works :D Even tho ur explanation is wrong tho because while driving in LZB or ETCS u have invisible driving blocks and the signals on the route are irrelevant for the train driver except Hp 0. But 160-161 km/h is the mark called in the EBO since when an other special train control system is needed because of the reason i already told.
what does (ilm) stand for in fx "station name (ilm)"
its the river the towns sit on, its to differentiate between towns that also have the same name
@@Xaac1609thx
The same train also runs in Czechia and has none of these issues. DB designed a very weird interior for it and is incapable of maintaining it and running it. Just today I rode on the Czech version and it is honestly one of the best regional trains in Europe!
The Czech version was designed after the DB ones, allowing Škoda to learn from their mistakes. It's also worth noting that the DB double-decker carriages are much different. They have a higher top speed of 190 km/h versus 160 km/h and must withstand pressure from passing ICE trains at 300 km/h, making their design much more complicated. While the carriages have a similar design, they are very different from a technical standpoint. The locomotive is essentially a Škoda 109E, which CD also had significant issues with upon introduction and today does not see very intense use.
czechs are mad nationalist for designing trains that dont work
Czech version of these Push-Pulls have some problems too. For example some doors can't be opened or AC doesn't work. They are sadly not reliable. It is better then when they started but it is still have issues
What happened to DB? Weren't they the envy of the world for quality service years ago?
Eu law is what happened.
Seperating the infrastructure from the train operation. And breaking DB up into pieces to tender to the private sector.
It went from being a public service railway, to a football being kicked around by politics and laws that even their country can't do anything but comply with at any cost!
Specifically DB Bayern... You must understand a Train is not a car.
In the late 1990ies politicians thought about privatising DB and started cost saving excesses. However debts were just climbing quicker to a point when the entire attempt didn't make any sense at all.
@@michaelburggraf2822
you do understand that eu laws (the eu fourth railway package) mandates that all public train operations must be competitively tendered to the private sector.
And that as this is an (undemocratic) extension of the single market, the fourth railway package being the completion of the eu single market for rail, meaning Germany has no legal, political or democratic abilty to do anything but comply with the law, means that DB Fernverkehr (the operator of the EC, IC and ICE trains in Germany) will have to be broken up and tendered to the private sector... Exactly as DB regio has already been in every single lander of Germany. The process has been ongoing slowly in Germany for over 2 decades now, and won't stop until they are fully in compliance with the eu law. In 10 years you'll see those ICE high speed trains being revealed in the shiny new colours of private train operators. But yes, some routes might be won by DB Fernverkehr, and retain the white with Red stripe 😉
@@amateurcameraman I'm afraid you're right. Possibly we'll end up where the UK is already. We'll sacrifice what's remaining to "free" market capitalism until hardly anything is working.
Ironically the UK was pushing those plans while being a member of the EU. Later they were accusing the EU of putting their economy at a disadvantage by those liberalizations of the single market and quit.
4:25 the re 1 goes form hamburg gbf and Rostock hbf
There are multiple RE1 in Germany. This is also RE 1
@@Simon-Andersen ok
Skoda perfoms these days really poorly, to remember how Skoda trains were broken in Latvia recently in December
Škoda performs excelently. There aren't any massive issues with Škoda products
Now new Škoda trains similar to the ones in Latvia are being delivered to Estonia, I guess we will be seeing a similar pattern
First gen od this platform also had lot of issues entering services here, the newer are going way easier. But both units for Baltic regions have various new technical requirements.
@@petrfedor1851 Platforms are what people use to get on and off trains, but the problem lies with the units themselves
@@vulc1 you should tell that to train manufacturets since they reffer to similiar train units with variations as platform. Almost like word can have meaning that change with context.
PFaffenhofen ;-)
I am in Canada and many of the new Amtrak trains and via Siemens ventures with charger locomotives are nothing but junk. Built by Siemens. Not the old way of Siemens trains. These break down all the time. Disappointed
This was made by Skoda who have nothing to do with Siemens
I did know about the fastest regional express between Nürnberg and München over the new (well, already I guess 10 to 15 years old now?) but I did not know about this new Skoda train and its problems... Maybe they choose for low price to buy, not checking what the quality would be...
I recently saw a video on tiktok of one of the connections beeing tested by cd,would be cool to see them beeing used in czechia
CZ has a similar train but it has a lot of differences to the DB ones, such as not as preassure tight doors and can be pulled by different locos.
94 km/h is not high speed. A car would be faster with 130 km/h.
So if the Locomotive is built by Skoda, and Skoda is a sub-brand of Volkswagen, does this mean that this Loco is in fact a Volkswagen?
That would be really cool! But Škoda Transportation who makes trains is owned by a different company than the car company :P
@@Simon-Andersen Ok I honestly just learned something. I guess I just made an ass out of myself so my apologies.
@@Ichijoe2112 No need to apologize, it would have been cool if they were still the same companies owned by Volkswagen :D
@@Simon-Andersen It's a joke about making an ass outta you, and me. (i.e. assumptions)
12 min Video for ~30 seconds of answers to the question in the title... A little more research and less "vlog" would have been nice.
and as always, there are no specific information provided in this movie, especially about the famous failures.
Sorry that my video is not a scientific article, with citations. The issues is mostly with general reliablity of the train, if you want to read more about these trains and specifics, I suggest taking a look at the overview Railcolor News has here:
railcolornews.com/category/skoda/skoda-109e/
You can also check out this press release from DB from 2023 about the reliability issues with these trains, which caused them to adapt the timetable (in German):
www.deutschebahn.com/de/presse/presse-regional/pr-muenchen-de/aktuell/presseinformationen/Muenchen-Nuernberg-Express-Neue-Schnellverbindungen-ueber-das-Altmuehltal--11157644#
The Deutsche Bahn and Škoda are the worst possible combination.
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its fine, czechia buy it back and will use it as mega,giga, super puper express :D
Unironicly would be cool to use on rachlík between Prague and Budějovice. Would be improvment from old classic trains that are going there now. Could even get close to it´s top speed.
I dont think its that unlikely that CD could buy them, seeing as they already pretty much have these trains in their fleet, even if they are a bit different technically.
@@Simon-AndersenHow should they work in the Czech Republic? They operate in an other voltage in the overhead line. Germany is together with Austria and Switzerland an island for the system of 15 kV.
@@janv777 I was thinking the carriges, i think they should be able to work with a differnt loco for czech voltage? The Skoda 109E that CD has is being retired next year anyway iirc
@@Simon-Andersen The carriages aren‘t designed to work with other locos. The next question is if they can fit into Czech tunnels. With 676 seats the train has a too large capacity, this will reduce the general usability on the network.
I had no idea Skoda built trains lol
It's a completely different Škoda than the car manufacturer.
they do, but its mostly EMUs, Trams and metro units, its not The car Škoda (that is in the city of Mladá boleslav) this Škoda is Skoda transportation in Plzeň (Pilsen) witch is different company, but the rights to use the name and logo Skoda for the skoda transportation will expire in 2029 (Skoda auto bought the rights for the name and logo), so in a few years it will be most likely rebranded or sold
Škoda made various products throughout its history. Starting with guns in the 19th century. Now they are making Trolleybuses, Trams, EMU´s, etc. There is even Škoda JS a.s. that specializes in technology for nuclear power plants.
Oh alright, thanks guys!
Škoda is basically the Czech version of Siemens - they make anything industrial but nothing right 🤣
It's made in Germany.. no surprise there 😂
Made in CZ by Skoda actually :P
Did the world not learn about the building quality of Skôda automobiles?
Just so you know btw..
you ARE breaking the law in Germany when you are recording people in public AND don't blur their faces out when you post the video.
In fact the very fact that you are filming them without their consent is against the German privacy laws.
Mr. Anzeigenhauptmann, you here? What a coincidence
Are you sure? If people in public space are recorded accidetially and obviously aren't the focus of recording I think you don't even need explicit approval. But mind I'm not a lawyer or media professional.
That's actually less than what i would expect!
München in English is Munich, and Nürnberg is called Nuremberg!
I really can't win, can I? I try to do it the local way, and people say to do it the English way, and vice versa 😆
The only recommendation is to not expect, trust, or use German Rail. Use only if there is no alternative.