Funny thing: Your trainset hasn’t t received the refurbishment yet. They get a new paint, better passenger information screens, and an overall refurbishment inside, like new carpets. But they will keep the seats.
That's also why this ICE 1 train still has the OLD first class seats with the - you hear it correctly - smoking ash tray! Yes, that small bin was meant for ash, because until the middle of the 2000s it was still allowed to smoke in dedicated ICE waggons, normally one of the first class ones and two of the second class ones. Newer ICE seats don't have the ashtrays anymore, because since smoking isn't allowed anymore on the ICE, they are not needed.
The tiny bin was probably for smoking. Back in the beginning of ICE Service some carriages where still reserved for smoking. Glad this is no longer a thing.
Yes, that's the ash tray. And it wasn't back in the beginning of ICE service. Smoking was forbidden on ICEs only in the 2000s. I remember having to sit in a smelly smoking area in an ICE T in 2006...
My favourite seats of all ICE generations and version, by far! The "boss leather chair" style fits my big butt waaay better than the "racing car" style seats in the ICE 4, for example... and the restaurant is awesome too, ofc.
I unfortunately didn’t get the privilege to ride the ICE 1 last year, but I did get to ride one of the newer models when our Vectron-led České Dráhy train broke down and we had to get rescued.
Its the train set number 9457, the second series of ICE 4 with 13 waggons. There is also a new "Europa/Europe" ICE with the set number 8029, a ICE3neo of the first series but with new interior design and there is also a rainbow color ICE3 (first series from 2000) with the set number 304 and name "München".
The ICE 1 was Western Germanys first high speed train (operated by then state railroad operator Deutsche Bundesbahn), Germany had high speed trains already since 1933 ("fliegende Züge", engl. "flying trains") which consisted of diesel-electric powered railcars. Representatives of railroad administrations from all over the world travelled to Germany to study it. Their maximum speed had been between 160 and 200 km/h. The IC trains since the 1970s of Deutsche Bundesbahn with their maximum speed of 200 km/h towed by an electric locomotive and coaches designed for this purpose might count as high speed because most train operators did not reach this velocity then.
Yes, and the second Altona Station was destroyed because they thought that the tunneling under it would make it instable, that's why we got this ugly building now
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Fun Fact: Your ICE train set 120 "Lüneburg" ist one of the not modernized sets with 12 waggons. The modernized sets have only 9 waggons, two waggons 2nd class and one waggon 1st class fewer. The order of the carriages is also different. The carriage with the conductor's information compartment and the family / toddler compartment is a 1st class carriage in the older ICE 1 and is located in front of the on-board restaurant waggon. In the modernized multiple units, this carriage has been converted to 2nd class and is located behind the on-board restaurant waggon (seen from the 1st class end).
The best train of DB was the BR 475. 70 years of service plus 6 more as BR 477 which was an overhauled version. Most of the sets were trashed tho. (around 600 quarter trains (set of driven control car and undriven car) and then during the 2009 s-bahn crisis they needed them back but didnt have them) There is still a single quarter train set in operation as a historical train. Im really hoping they get at least a full train into operation again until 2027 (100th birthday of the series)
The ICE 1 set DB sent Amtrak for demonstration in the U. S. 32 years ago had a plusher interior, especially the restaurant car, than the refurbished one in this video.
@@lucasrem No, that was not true. In the early 1990s Amtrak, which I was working for at the time, was developing the replacement trains for their NY-DC "Metroliners", which were Amfleet I coaches hauled by AEM7 electric motors. They wanted to get to true high-speed electric trains, so they brought over a Swedish X2000 set, to test tilt technology, and a DB ICE set to test for top speed. The ICE train set set and held the North American passenger train speed record for decades, up until the testing for the replacement Acela equipment started testing on the Northeasst Corridor. Perhaps what you are confused by is that both train sets made nationwide tours using Diesel-electric locomotives to push them over the non-electrified parts of the Amtrak network, owned by the freight railroads?
@@paulw.woodring7304 As far as I know, the north american speed record is still held by the United Aircraft Turbo Train at 274.9kmh in 1967. (Consider that in 1981, the TGV did 270kmh, so the Turbo was quite ahead of its time, and had it been on-time, would have rivaled the first generation Sinkansen, though would have been at its limit while Sinkansen grew from 260km to its current > 300kmh). Since the early 1980s, FRA put in restrictions to protect Budd that was a steel company to ensure all trains were likited to 1950s tech and made of heavy steel. Speed limits would prevent breaking that speed record, unless done at the Colrado "race track" testing ground. the X2000 (not really high speed) was made of steel, he ICE not. This is why after these trials, when Amtrak was ready to place order in late 1990s, there was a demand the "high speed" train be made of heavy steel. The X2000 would have fit the bill, but Bombardier-Alstom won the bid because Bombardier could built in in the USA. (at the time, Alstom was made partner in Bombardier's bid). It was only in 2018, after a number of Amtrak derailments of heavy steel trains that wrapped themselves around telephone poles that the FRA relented and agreed that steel mandate didn't ensure train integrity that it allowed modern aluminium shell trains and thus allowed Amtrak to buy its new Acela trains (TGV-M locos and Pendolino coaches).
Fun fact about the Hamburg S-Bahn. The S-Bahn service S4 is currently upgraded to travel all the way to Bad-Oldesloe near the city of Lübeck and the S21 is set to travel to Kaltenkirchen on the AKN network in 2028.
Apart from the absence of bike/wheelchair/pushchair space. that is a beautifully designed interior. Old-fashioned compartments, but a modern airiness provided by the glass partitions. A small criticism might be that the dining area looks somewhat austere, but I'm sure the food is adequate. A benchmark for train interior design with room for improvement.
thats a long commute :D but surely wasnt it an ICE 3 instead? the ICE 1 only ran in Switzerland and Austria. unless you were changing services somewhere.
It's worth mentioning that the days of Altona terminal station are counted, it will be replaced by the Diebsteich station 1.8 kilometres northern (it's only a S-Bahn stop at the moment but is rebuilt to take the IC and ICE trains), however that mall surely won't shut down.
I did travel onboard one of these 2 days ago, and it’s way better than travelling on a bus or by car. Didn’t even get terribly delayed (DB is infamous for that 😂)
I went on an ICE1 from Damgarten to Hamburg a year ago :D i picked it specifically cause it still has compartments (really sucks how most modern trains lack that). Pretty sure i've seen a similar vid to this one too. Either way, i think i took the refurbished version, which has the (sadly) less comfortable seats. Apart from that i'd say i liked them a lot. Also, the cars removed after refurbishment are left to rot away in Mukran, i came across them while me and my friend were doing a little bit of exploration.
Hello, I'm a Japanese who loves trains, and your videos are amazing. The picture quality is good, the explanations are good, and it's interesting! I have a question. Can you tell me how to book an ICE1 train on the German National Railways reservation site?
Look up formations on a site like wagonweb, here is a list of scheduled ICE1 trains and then you just go book the ticket on the DB website with the train number that matches. www.vagonweb.cz/razeni/razeni.php?rok=2024&vuz=DB+401+LDV+g&najit=Hledat&s=1&v=p
I love ICE1s, they are still very much up to the task - except that they are massive Faraday cages and it's nearly impossible to get a GPS fix in them.
I do prefer these over the ICE4. They feel more comfortable and they actually are quiter imho than the newer ones - since they have power cars either end, rather than motors spread around the length of the train. Being 2m tall, I can actually actually sit comfortably and even fall asleep in any ICE in 1st class. As well as IC1 - the "old ones". And that usually does not happen on public transport.
There is a quiet and pleasant beachside suburb of Melbourne that was named Altona in 1842 by a German homesteader. It also has an electrified train station but it's not quite as impressive for obvious reasons.
they were designed for at least 40 years of operation. they had to refurbish them, as it was planned. and refurbishing is usually cheaper than getting new units. in my opinion, the ICE 1 is still a great train, there is no need to replace it just because it is older. from what I understand, the main problem with the ICE 1 trains is, that they were coated with copper to reflect heat so AC doesn't have to work as much. but that was planned during a time, when mobile phone connections were rare and expensive and they did not care about that. same goes for power outlets to recharge various devices. but that can be retrofitted easily. or in other words: the upgrades to bring the units to 2020 train standards are rather miniscule. have windows that don't block radio waves, have more power outlets. done.
Hi Simon. I guess you are working on a Coradia Stream video. I have found some material for you: Video title, "Train Cab Ride NL / 200kph on ICNG / Rotterdam - Schiphol - Amsterdam / ICNG / August 2024".
It's ok to refurbish the ICE 1s - they are quite good trains. What also good is that the ICE2 trains will be taken out of service before the ICE1. The ICE2 are broken often, because their buffers cannot handle when the train sets are pushed together even when they are only using 10 km/h, and in the end it's more wise to just run a 300m ICE1 to Bremen and one to Hamburg from Hannover instead of splitting them there. (And no, ICE 2s can also not made longer, as they only have one locomotive and therefore only have the power to handle their 7 cars.) By the way, in the end the difference between ICE1 and ICE2 is so small, that they will in reality just use the not run down cars of the ICE2 for ICE1 trainsets and will first only get rid of the driving cabs.
They are not retiring. They got complete new developed power supplies and drives for the engines made by Talbot (Aachen) developed by ABB. Fit for many years to come.
30 years is not that much in train age. 0 to 10 is new, 10 to 30 is still modern, 30 to 40 its a little behind date, 40-50 its old, 50+ becoming a legend
I think it's partly due to costs but also a proper armchair ussualy doesn't allow you to sit in a good working position at a table with a laptop for instance. So there is a balance to be found 😊
wrong. It's 12 tracks. The tracks 1-4 are S-Bahn tracks, the tracks 5-8 are for the Berlin and Luebeck direction and the tracks 11-14 are for the Hannover and Bremen direction. The tracks 9 and 10 are thru-tracks for cargo trains and passovers. So he is right, the Hauptbahnhof has 12 serviced platforms.
Det har været en ICE-TD, de havde et meget lignende interiør, men var kun 4 vogne lange og kørte på diesel. Visuelt er fronten også mere rund og ligner en ICE-T. Men det var behalige tog, jeg har kørt mange gange med da jeg er opvokset tæt på Nykøbing Falster
From Altona? I don't think so. There's a regular shuttle from Westerland (Sylt) to Niebüll on the mainland, but not to Hamburg. The car trains from Hamburg are all long-distance trains heading south.
@@RH-uo8wl True. Nowadays the Car trains only to go switzerland. Passengers to Sylt have since the A23 is built to Heide and the B5 is also built around Husum to use their car until Niebüll and go there onto the train.
If ICE 1 trains are still reliable, if spare parts still available, then there is no real reason not to continue operating them. If they are rated to 280, but operate on routes where max speed is 200, they are never strained and would wear out a lot less so last longer. The interior is prettymuch configurable as DB wants when they do refurb and that is a business decision. QUESTION: if you book on DB's web site, can you know if an ICE will be generation 1 , 2 ,3 4 ? Or do you learn from experience by watching trains leave and knowing a certain route is done by ICE-1 trains?
you can see it by the length of the train on the reservation table and the numbering. When the numbering of the cars is 20-27 or 30-37 it's an ICE2, also ICE2s have one locomotive shown in the diagram and one driving cab car. when it's a 7 car train, but you see a lounge at either end of the reservation page: it's an ICE 3 an ICE 4 is normally 12-14 waggons long and also shows a cab on the diagram an ICE 1 is 9 (refurbished) or 12 waggons long. You can distinguish it from the ICE 4 because it doesn't show the cab in the reservation paper but a locomotive
How dare you board a morning train after having had breakfast and not having breakfast is the restaurant car 🙂 A youtube video where you don't eat in restaurant car should be banned 🙂 (we don't have restaurant cars in Canada so I cherish that they still do in Europe).
Even though the true HSR network is not as large as other countries, it still has a significant number of kilometers, the combination of true HSR and many upgraded lines running at 200 km/h means large portions of the country have access to fast trains, thats at least high-speed for part of the journey. This approach is much better and more extensive for the entire population than the Spanish or French model, which primarily focuses on dedicated lines while neglecting everything else.
cool video lol, do you have a discord server? also im taking a sleeper train in the old blue cars to kolari at syysloma. I dont remember what syysloma was in english lol..
Honestly it is time to retire that fleet, even Japan Planning to retire their E2 Series in the near future having roughly the same age as the ICE 1. thank you for your service ICE 1, It's time to go to museums as your last glory❤
they will retire the ICE2s first. Because they can use most of the ICE2s for replacing older ICE1 cars, the cars are interchangeable, they only have to scrab the driving cab car first (because the ICE has two locomotives). Why they get rid of the 2 before the 1? Because the 2 were meant for lesser used ICE lines and for lines, where they go on different paths, like the ICEs that join and split in Hannover or Hamm. For that they have many spare ICE 3s and Ts now and also they want to make the ICE1s an intermediate between the 7-car single ICE3 and the full size ICE4.
@@mariokrings fair enough, i honestly just basing the retirement on Asian High Speed train fleet, most Asian HST fleet are starting to get replaced after it hit 30 year's old, not because it wasn't able to run, it's to keep Maintenance cost low, that's why country like Japan, South Korea are starting to replace it's old HST rolling stock examples Japan E3 Series are starting to be replaced with E8 Series. And South Korea also came up with domestically designed HST to start replacing it's old HST (France TGV design) so yeah. German might have different policy regarding that but good to know the ICE 1 will be still running for another Decade. It's a good rolling stock so i didn't see why not, as far they can keep maintain it properly it will run smoothly. (After edit) Usually as soon the fleet hit 30 years old, it will start planning the replacement and usually it will be done after decades of planning and building the new rolling stock, so usually when the rolling 40 years old it will start being replaced
Funny thing: Your trainset hasn’t t received the refurbishment yet. They get a new paint, better passenger information screens, and an overall refurbishment inside, like new carpets. But they will keep the seats.
Not all seats, 3 cars will be removed:1 1st and 2 2nd
@@HorizonSpottingGermany-kd6kh Yes, but the seats are not changed.
@@axelbr403 Yup
Germany. Changing everything, but not the important stuff for the customers...
That's also why this ICE 1 train still has the OLD first class seats with the - you hear it correctly - smoking ash tray! Yes, that small bin was meant for ash, because until the middle of the 2000s it was still allowed to smoke in dedicated ICE waggons, normally one of the first class ones and two of the second class ones. Newer ICE seats don't have the ashtrays anymore, because since smoking isn't allowed anymore on the ICE, they are not needed.
The design of the ICE1 is so elegant and timeless
The good old ICE 1 with the iconic "Buckel-Bordrestaurant". I love it. And I always love to see people from other countries rating our trains :)
Generally quite happy with the ICE models, but we'll see what the Talgo brings 👀😬
@@Simon-Andersen will probably be a typical Talgo-Train. So, well...
The tiny bin was probably for smoking. Back in the beginning of ICE Service some carriages where still reserved for smoking. Glad this is no longer a thing.
Yes, that's the ash tray. And it wasn't back in the beginning of ICE service. Smoking was forbidden on ICEs only in the 2000s. I remember having to sit in a smelly smoking area in an ICE T in 2006...
Hmm maybe, but it also seems present on some of the newer models?
The new ICE 3neo sets have those as well...
My favourite seats of all ICE generations and version, by far! The "boss leather chair" style fits my big butt waaay better than the "racing car" style seats in the ICE 4, for example... and the restaurant is awesome too, ofc.
6:07 the train guard has an incredible accent, very on brand for a hamburg-bremen run
ICE 927 is not a 2019-refurbished one, it still runs with 14 cars.
They got the refurbished one recently
I was actually not aware of this, but it's still a great train and the seats will remain the same from what I gather :D
I unfortunately didn’t get the privilege to ride the ICE 1 last year, but I did get to ride one of the newer models when our Vectron-led České Dráhy train broke down and we had to get rescued.
why is nobody talking about the ice 4 "Bundes republick deutschland" just chilling there. Not even a mention ;(
2:01 for those wondering
We aren't much of nationalists…
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Its the train set number 9457, the second series of ICE 4 with 13 waggons. There is also a new "Europa/Europe" ICE with the set number 8029, a ICE3neo of the first series but with new interior design and there is also a rainbow color ICE3 (first series from 2000) with the set number 304 and name "München".
@@LMB222 and mentioning a special designed train means being a nationalist to you? Weired.....
The ICE 1 was Western Germanys first high speed train (operated by then state railroad operator Deutsche Bundesbahn), Germany had high speed trains already since 1933 ("fliegende Züge", engl. "flying trains") which consisted of diesel-electric powered railcars. Representatives of railroad administrations from all over the world travelled to Germany to study it. Their maximum speed had been between 160 and 200 km/h.
The IC trains since the 1970s of Deutsche Bundesbahn with their maximum speed of 200 km/h towed by an electric locomotive and coaches designed for this purpose might count as high speed because most train operators did not reach this velocity then.
So cool to see this route I take on the regular get featured! Even if Bf Altona isn't a beautiful station, I do absolutely love that part of Hamburg!
It is interesting that the old Altona station, built during the Danish period, is now the city hall. I have to visit soon.
Yes, and the second Altona Station was destroyed because they thought that the tunneling under it would make it instable, that's why we got this ugly building now
Fun Fact: Your ICE train set 120 "Lüneburg" ist one of the not modernized sets with 12 waggons. The modernized sets have only 9 waggons, two waggons 2nd class and one waggon 1st class fewer. The order of the carriages is also different. The carriage with the conductor's information compartment and the family / toddler compartment is a 1st class carriage in the older ICE 1 and is located in front of the on-board restaurant waggon. In the modernized multiple units, this carriage has been converted to 2nd class and is located behind the on-board restaurant waggon (seen from the 1st class end).
Ah cool! I did not know there were still 2 kinds kicking around! Thanks for clarifying :D
ICE 1 is so awesome.
Love the Bord Restaurant area 😛
In my opinion the ICE 1 and 3neo are the best trains of DB. But you should try out the ICE 2 sets before they'll be completely phased out in 2027
The redesigned are less good than the İCE 4 in my opinion. Not a rough material (in general)
Tried an ICE2 on the same trip 😁 - Will get around to eventually editing that also 🙌
The best train of DB was the BR 475. 70 years of service plus 6 more as BR 477 which was an overhauled version. Most of the sets were trashed tho. (around 600 quarter trains (set of driven control car and undriven car) and then during the 2009 s-bahn crisis they needed them back but didnt have them) There is still a single quarter train set in operation as a historical train. Im really hoping they get at least a full train into operation again until 2027 (100th birthday of the series)
The ICE 1 set DB sent Amtrak for demonstration in the U. S. 32 years ago had a plusher interior, especially the restaurant car, than the refurbished one in this video.
The 1993 Amtrak High Speed project, a Diesel Train, meant to build in the US.
Not the German ICE, sorry
@@lucasrem No, that was not true. In the early 1990s Amtrak, which I was working for at the time, was developing the replacement trains for their NY-DC "Metroliners", which were Amfleet I coaches hauled by AEM7 electric motors. They wanted to get to true high-speed electric trains, so they brought over a Swedish X2000 set, to test tilt technology, and a DB ICE set to test for top speed. The ICE train set set and held the North American passenger train speed record for decades, up until the testing for the replacement Acela equipment started testing on the Northeasst Corridor. Perhaps what you are confused by is that both train sets made nationwide tours using Diesel-electric locomotives to push them over the non-electrified parts of the Amtrak network, owned by the freight railroads?
Afaik the interior has been remodeled a number of times by now.
@@paulw.woodring7304 As far as I know, the north american speed record is still held by the United Aircraft Turbo Train at 274.9kmh in 1967. (Consider that in 1981, the TGV did 270kmh, so the Turbo was quite ahead of its time, and had it been on-time, would have rivaled the first generation Sinkansen, though would have been at its limit while Sinkansen grew from 260km to its current > 300kmh). Since the early 1980s, FRA put in restrictions to protect Budd that was a steel company to ensure all trains were likited to 1950s tech and made of heavy steel. Speed limits would prevent breaking that speed record, unless done at the Colrado "race track" testing ground. the X2000 (not really high speed) was made of steel, he ICE not. This is why after these trials, when Amtrak was ready to place order in late 1990s, there was a demand the "high speed" train be made of heavy steel. The X2000 would have fit the bill, but Bombardier-Alstom won the bid because Bombardier could built in in the USA. (at the time, Alstom was made partner in Bombardier's bid). It was only in 2018, after a number of Amtrak derailments of heavy steel trains that wrapped themselves around telephone poles that the FRA relented and agreed that steel mandate didn't ensure train integrity that it allowed modern aluminium shell trains and thus allowed Amtrak to buy its new Acela trains (TGV-M locos and Pendolino coaches).
@@BadsaidMad The ICE 1 got redesigned twice. The train set of the video hasn't been refurbished for the 2nd time yet, so it's still the 2005 design.
Come back often, thanks for sharing!
You bet! Love germany!
I love the ride on the old trains. And the spacious loading gauge.
Fun fact about the Hamburg S-Bahn. The S-Bahn service S4 is currently upgraded to travel all the way to Bad-Oldesloe near the city of Lübeck and the S21 is set to travel to Kaltenkirchen on the AKN network in 2028.
Excellent video
The tiny bins at 9:55 are from the time when smoking was allowed.
Den bedste tog i verden #ice1liebe. Tak for din tur med videon og god fornøjelse med interrailbilletten :)
Selv tak! Interrail er altid sjovt!
Apart from the absence of bike/wheelchair/pushchair space. that is a beautifully designed interior. Old-fashioned compartments, but a modern airiness provided by the glass partitions. A small criticism might be that the dining area looks somewhat austere, but I'm sure the food is adequate. A benchmark for train interior design with room for improvement.
I used this train to commute from Amsterdam to Dusseldorf, when it was new, it was pure magic.
thats a long commute :D but surely wasnt it an ICE 3 instead? the ICE 1 only ran in Switzerland and Austria. unless you were changing services somewhere.
It's worth mentioning that the days of Altona terminal station are counted, it will be replaced by the Diebsteich station 1.8 kilometres northern (it's only a S-Bahn stop at the moment but is rebuilt to take the IC and ICE trains), however that mall surely won't shut down.
I did travel onboard one of these 2 days ago, and it’s way better than travelling on a bus or by car. Didn’t even get terribly delayed (DB is infamous for that 😂)
a bit sad that they got new traction converters. They used to sound a bit like the taurus when departing
I went on an ICE1 from Damgarten to Hamburg a year ago :D i picked it specifically cause it still has compartments (really sucks how most modern trains lack that). Pretty sure i've seen a similar vid to this one too.
Either way, i think i took the refurbished version, which has the (sadly) less comfortable seats. Apart from that i'd say i liked them a lot. Also, the cars removed after refurbishment are left to rot away in Mukran, i came across them while me and my friend were doing a little bit of exploration.
I remember when these were brand new. Still one of the sexiest train designs ever. I hope I get to ride on one before they get retired.
Still many years to get a ride or 2 in before that luckily :D
Hello, I'm a Japanese who loves trains, and your videos are amazing. The picture quality is good, the explanations are good, and it's interesting! I have a question. Can you tell me how to book an ICE1 train on the German National Railways reservation site?
Look up formations on a site like wagonweb, here is a list of scheduled ICE1 trains and then you just go book the ticket on the DB website with the train number that matches. www.vagonweb.cz/razeni/razeni.php?rok=2024&vuz=DB+401+LDV+g&najit=Hledat&s=1&v=p
The power heads got some upgrades of the converter units to increase efficiency and reduce maintenance costs
I love ICE1s, they are still very much up to the task - except that they are massive Faraday cages and it's nearly impossible to get a GPS fix in them.
I do prefer these over the ICE4. They feel more comfortable and they actually are quiter imho than the newer ones - since they have power cars either end, rather than motors spread around the length of the train. Being 2m tall, I can actually actually sit comfortably and even fall asleep in any ICE in 1st class. As well as IC1 - the "old ones". And that usually does not happen on public transport.
good thing they are still in service, although not alot
Actually 58 of 60 are still in service.
very interesting, thank you!
The tiny bins were originally ashtrays when smoking was permitted on trains
Yet some new Ice3neo's also have them :P
There is a quiet and pleasant beachside suburb of Melbourne that was named Altona in 1842 by a German homesteader.
It also has an electrified train station but it's not quite as impressive for obvious reasons.
I've heard jokes about it always being skipped on the Melbourne Metro 😆
9:54 this is just an assumption, but since it's only been illegal to smoke on trains since 2007, I assume those tiny bins might be ashtrays
They are also present on newer ICE models, so I'm not really sure if that's the reason
they were designed for at least 40 years of operation. they had to refurbish them, as it was planned. and refurbishing is usually cheaper than getting new units.
in my opinion, the ICE 1 is still a great train, there is no need to replace it just because it is older.
from what I understand, the main problem with the ICE 1 trains is, that they were coated with copper to reflect heat so AC doesn't have to work as much. but that was planned during a time, when mobile phone connections were rare and expensive and they did not care about that. same goes for power outlets to recharge various devices.
but that can be retrofitted easily. or in other words: the upgrades to bring the units to 2020 train standards are rather miniscule. have windows that don't block radio waves, have more power outlets. done.
The ICE 1's are just the best. For me their exterior design is just somehow synonymous with the ICE brand.
Hi Simon.
I guess you are working on a Coradia Stream video. I have found some material for you:
Video title, "Train Cab Ride NL / 200kph on ICNG / Rotterdam - Schiphol - Amsterdam / ICNG / August 2024".
Thanks! Not sure when that video will be edited, but I'll keep in mind
@@Simon-Andersen It is actually one of the better cab videos.
5:11 I see you Simon.
Not excatly a secret if you follow my Twitter or watched my travel recap or videos with miles in transit 😆
I hope in 2026 I could still be able to try ICE 1 and 2. Do you know if there are ICE 1/2 trains between Frankfurt and Koln/Bonn?
It's ok to refurbish the ICE 1s - they are quite good trains. What also good is that the ICE2 trains will be taken out of service before the ICE1. The ICE2 are broken often, because their buffers cannot handle when the train sets are pushed together even when they are only using 10 km/h, and in the end it's more wise to just run a 300m ICE1 to Bremen and one to Hamburg from Hannover instead of splitting them there. (And no, ICE 2s can also not made longer, as they only have one locomotive and therefore only have the power to handle their 7 cars.) By the way, in the end the difference between ICE1 and ICE2 is so small, that they will in reality just use the not run down cars of the ICE2 for ICE1 trainsets and will first only get rid of the driving cabs.
They are not retiring. They got complete new developed power supplies and drives for the engines made by Talbot (Aachen) developed by ABB. Fit for many years to come.
As mentioned in the video :P - I agree looking forward to many more rides on them.
30 years is not that much in train age. 0 to 10 is new, 10 to 30 is still modern, 30 to 40 its a little behind date, 40-50 its old, 50+ becoming a legend
Fun fact:They will run until about 2030
Why do rail companies force people to travel in "racing car" airline seats instead of comfortable armchairs?
Same reason airlines do: It's cheaper.
@@n.bastians8633 This is one thing that SJ has done right, comfortable seats and very much so on the overhauled X2000s
I think it's partly due to costs but also a proper armchair ussualy doesn't allow you to sit in a good working position at a table with a laptop for instance. So there is a balance to be found 😊
SSänk ju foa dräwwling wiss Doitschebaan
I love the ICE1 - it was THE german train as i grew up!
Technically Hamburg Hbf is 14 platforms (12 are in the station hall) but 4 are exclusively S-Bahn so it is 10 not 12
wrong. It's 12 tracks. The tracks 1-4 are S-Bahn tracks, the tracks 5-8 are for the Berlin and Luebeck direction and the tracks 11-14 are for the Hannover and Bremen direction. The tracks 9 and 10 are thru-tracks for cargo trains and passovers. So he is right, the Hauptbahnhof has 12 serviced platforms.
Yeah the pass through middle ones doesn't excatly handle passengers, but ofc are still part of the station 😊
"One thing I don't get is these tiny bins.*
Does it mean I'm old given I immediately took this to be an obsolete ashtray?
If definitely happy to be from the generation where smoking isn't common on trains at least 😆
Jeg kørte med det her tog fra Rødby havn st til Kbh for mange år siden
Det ville være sensationelt, idet der endnu ikke er elektrificeret til Rødby. Mon ikke du kørte med dieseltoget ICE-D?
@@jrgenpaghjensen2917 det næsten 20 år siden kan kun huske st toget så sådan ud og den gang så jeg det tit inden på Kbh da jeg var der inde
Det har været en ICE-TD, de havde et meget lignende interiør, men var kun 4 vogne lange og kørte på diesel. Visuelt er fronten også mere rund og ligner en ICE-T. Men det var behalige tog, jeg har kørt mange gange med da jeg er opvokset tæt på Nykøbing Falster
Could you visit Passau Hauptbahnhof please
Maybe some day in the future!
The Car trains go the the Island of Sylt from there
From Altona? I don't think so. There's a regular shuttle from Westerland (Sylt) to Niebüll on the mainland, but not to Hamburg. The car trains from Hamburg are all long-distance trains heading south.
@@RH-uo8wl Youre right. I re-checked..
used to be different i think
They are "just" İC services
@@RH-uo8wl True. Nowadays the Car trains only to go switzerland. Passengers to Sylt have since the A23 is built to Heide and the B5 is also built around Husum to use their car until Niebüll and go there onto the train.
If ICE 1 trains are still reliable, if spare parts still available, then there is no real reason not to continue operating them. If they are rated to 280, but operate on routes where max speed is 200, they are never strained and would wear out a lot less so last longer. The interior is prettymuch configurable as DB wants when they do refurb and that is a business decision.
QUESTION: if you book on DB's web site, can you know if an ICE will be generation 1 , 2 ,3 4 ? Or do you learn from experience by watching trains leave and knowing a certain route is done by ICE-1 trains?
you can see it by the length of the train on the reservation table and the numbering.
When the numbering of the cars is 20-27 or 30-37 it's an ICE2, also ICE2s have one locomotive shown in the diagram and one driving cab car.
when it's a 7 car train, but you see a lounge at either end of the reservation page: it's an ICE 3
an ICE 4 is normally 12-14 waggons long and also shows a cab on the diagram
an ICE 1 is 9 (refurbished) or 12 waggons long. You can distinguish it from the ICE 4 because it doesn't show the cab in the reservation paper but a locomotive
@@acmenipponair Thanks for description.
Websites like wagonweb or zugfinder in addition to the very comprehensive comment above is also great ways to find out!
Best ICE ever! Newer ones are like commuter trains. No thanks!
How dare you board a morning train after having had breakfast and not having breakfast is the restaurant car 🙂 A youtube video where you don't eat in restaurant car should be banned 🙂 (we don't have restaurant cars in Canada so I cherish that they still do in Europe).
I'll have to try next time 😆
Save the ICE 1's and 2's! Export them to another country, or preserve them!
Hallo zusammen
In my opinion, ICE1 is much better than ICE4
"Extensive highspeed network"... Running highspeed Trains on lowspeed tracks doesnt count as an extensive highspeed network : D
Even though the true HSR network is not as large as other countries, it still has a significant number of kilometers, the combination of true HSR and many upgraded lines running at 200 km/h means large portions of the country have access to fast trains, thats at least high-speed for part of the journey. This approach is much better and more extensive for the entire population than the Spanish or French model, which primarily focuses on dedicated lines while neglecting everything else.
cool video lol, do you have a discord server? also im taking a sleeper train in the old blue cars to kolari at syysloma. I dont remember what syysloma was in english lol..
I don't have a discord server! But have a great trip :D
@@Simon-Andersen thanks! You should create one!
ice 2 has the best and comfiest ride tho. all after that are just bs tbh
Mhh
Honestly it is time to retire that fleet, even Japan Planning to retire their E2 Series in the near future having roughly the same age as the ICE 1. thank you for your service ICE 1, It's time to go to museums as your last glory❤
they will retire the ICE2s first. Because they can use most of the ICE2s for replacing older ICE1 cars, the cars are interchangeable, they only have to scrab the driving cab car first (because the ICE has two locomotives). Why they get rid of the 2 before the 1? Because the 2 were meant for lesser used ICE lines and for lines, where they go on different paths, like the ICEs that join and split in Hannover or Hamm. For that they have many spare ICE 3s and Ts now and also they want to make the ICE1s an intermediate between the 7-car single ICE3 and the full size ICE4.
They will run till 2030 and that for a good reason. You dind't even bring up a good point why they should be retired.
@@mariokrings fair enough, i honestly just basing the retirement on Asian High Speed train fleet, most Asian HST fleet are starting to get replaced after it hit 30 year's old, not because it wasn't able to run, it's to keep Maintenance cost low, that's why country like Japan, South Korea are starting to replace it's old HST rolling stock examples Japan E3 Series are starting to be replaced with E8 Series. And South Korea also came up with domestically designed HST to start replacing it's old HST (France TGV design) so yeah. German might have different policy regarding that but good to know the ICE 1 will be still running for another Decade. It's a good rolling stock so i didn't see why not, as far they can keep maintain it properly it will run smoothly.
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Usually as soon the fleet hit 30 years old, it will start planning the replacement and usually it will be done after decades of planning and building the new rolling stock, so usually when the rolling 40 years old it will start being replaced
Die Deutsche Bahn muss komplett verschwinden. Diesen unpünktlichen Haufen Dreck kann nichts retten