That game has made all the useless forgotten weapons trivia rattling around in my brain to use to ramble to all my friends while were playing lol. Fucking love that game.
just what I was gonna say....have you seen the homemade auto revolver Ian showcases on a different vid?....also very steampunk...several weapons on here could be used for that...
Greg Miller "Steam Punk" is a style. It's usually Victorian fashion mixed with more "advanced" technological concepts, usually steam powered. A quick google image search will yield a better explanation...
Alright, this is hands down the coolest video you have done yet. Lematts are among my favorite platforms of all time. I just love the way they look and operate! Thanks for this video
@@flipchuck You kind of needed the extra 3 rounds in the standard LeMat revolver since it used pellet-loading chambers. You needed to make sure you put your target down because reloading would take an eternity compared to the cartridge-loading versions that came later but both cartridge versions look awkward and unbalanced.
@@lhfinatl7068 i 100% agree. I just love the fact that it had more shots then the average revolver at the time. While your enemy is busy reloading, you can keep on shooting them. Have two lemats and you may not need to reload during most gunfights during the wild west time.
I have a modern cap-and-ball "replica", which they emphasize is a generic replica, since so many different caliber variations existed. I gather one of LeMat's "marketing" problems was calibers inconsistent with common army calibers, requiring special bullet molds. It IS a fun fun to fire ... but I learned the hard way to fire the shotgun first, since I could not figure out a way to grease the top to seal it against chain fire. The first time I tried saving the shotgun for last, the first ball shot triggered the shotgun too, and the tremendous unexpected recoil took a small divot out of me just behind my thumb (the other revolver chambers were properly sealed). It is heavy and off-balance, making it less fun. My replica's loading ram is set up wrong, such that the ram lands on top of the ball almost immediately, making it hard to even get your fingers between it and the barrel, let alone providing any decent leverage. I'm glad I have had the chance to play with it, but seldom fire it, and if I had known how poor a gun it is, I don't think I would have bought it, since it cost 3 times what my Remington 1858 New Model Army replica cost (this was about 20 years ago). Like all black powder guns, it gets filthy fast, and even longer to clean, what with four more nipples and chambers.
Those both look like weapons straight out of a steampunk novel or a video-game. I could see them being used in Hellboy for some reason hahaha. They're just so massive and over the top compared to the typical "old revolver". I mean.... 9 rounds of center-fire pistol cartridges AND a shotgun round??? I think the carbine is my favorite but really... what amazing inventiveness and engineering and what amazing pieces of history. Thank you as always for sharing this with the world. Amazing channel.
The cartridge revolver must be one of the most steampunk guns I've ever seen, but in particular it looks like an ideal movie gun just because it's so eye-catching. If you had the right equipment to reload for it, I expect it would be loads of fun at the range, especially if you could run a 3-gun match with only two guns! Or if you really wanted to get crazy, your revolver could be the LeMat cartridge revolver, your rifle could be the LeMat rifle, and you could use both shotgun barrels for the shotgun targets.
Well, as Ian said, there is at least two Italian companies that make reproductions of cap and ball revolvers. I think the LeMat goes for about a thousand dollars. So If you ever decide that you want one, they are out there. I haven't checked to see if the cartridge LeMat has been reproduced though.
I'm not really a gun guy. Your videos are fascinating simply from a mechanical point of view. It's amazing the engineering behind even firearms that are over 100 years old. Excellent videos. Thanx
So I'm years behind, but Ian if you see this: I've fired the Tarus Circuit Judge, which solved the "hand forward of the cyclinder gap" problem with a pair of wings around the bottom of the cyclinder. My buddy and I never got burn from it. Highly recommend firing one if you have not, tons of fun (much more so than the Judge pistol imo).
I had no idea there was a cartridge chambering version! How cool, and its amazing that its not just a rechamber, but a completely redesigned gun. Fascinating.
Finally, a LeMat, which is probably one of the first oddball guns I have come to know and appreciate in my life. I believe there's another example of the centerfire model, the type X or something along the name, with two separate hammers forming an "X" shape. Thanks a lot Ian.
my friend told me i had rare and expensive taste. he's a gun nut, i'm not. flipping through one of his catalogues of guns, i see this piece and go "oooooh, this one i like! it's as subtle as a car crash!" (this was before i knew it packed shot as under-barrel, which was icing on the cake) the reality check i got when i learned more about this gun was painful. still want one, though. as an aside, anybody's got 50 spare grand they'd lend me? i need it for.... a thing.
When he points that 11mm barrel above the gaping shotgun barrel...and can you just imagine what that looked like with big ol fat chunks of lead in them barrels... Literally made my guts a little quezy. Certainly would have sucked to have had that be the last thing one every saw...👍👍
I've always loved the LeMat revolver. Just... i dunno. It has to be my favorite, just for the mix of feasibility of use, and how interesting a concept it is. plus how big it is compared to say the Colt Army. Just interesting to me. Never knew about the centerfire version. And I sure as hell didn't know about the carbine. Very awesome to see the evolution of my personal favorite. And the bulky look, though definitely ugly compared to the sleeker cap and ball, is oddly charming. But as you said. Really nice to see all 3 in the same place.
all of those guns are extremely sick. I don't know about needing the shotgun part, but the bulky steel and high capacity and just brutal manly look is everything. I love these guns
Ian, Thank you, and R.I.A., for adding these remarkable pieces to your firearms history channel. For decades I've longed to see an example of a cartridge-firing LeMat, then you come up with a revolver, and also a carbine! It would be a great thing for the gun-nuts like me if the buyer/s allowed you to tape a live-fire video.
If it weren't for the expense and legal issues that come with pistol-sized shotguns, I'd love to see some cartridge firing reproduction LeMat revolvers.
Another rare find! I have seen a few LeMat revolvers at gun shows but have never even heard of a Lemat carbine. Clever design and machine work was impressive for the era. Keep up the great work Ian.
I've been watching this channel like crazy catching up on all the vids. It's fascinating. The most interesting channel in YT imo. my interest in firearms has waned in the past 25 yrs, but you got me all jazzed up again. Great stuff! Really!
up until this point, I had only seen the LeMat in books. It was the beginning of the dual-ammo guns. (.38spc/9mm/.357mag changable idea). To know that they are manufacturing them again speaks volumes!!
Oh thank you thank you thank you Ian for this video lesson on the LeMat weapons. The original ranks as of the iconic weapons of the war between the states and I have a keen interest in it for various reasons. Thanks again!
+Oscar Floyd I think it actually would, but the sealing system in the nagant made the trigger mechanism very over complicated, making the trigger pull incredibly clunky.
Personally, I like both the original cap-and-ball LeMat and the cartridge version. Each is beautifully unique in it's own way and I'd love to have either one!
I always loved LeMats- so visually amazing. I love the hooked version of the trigger guard, even if it isn't ergonomic. It reminds me of that scene in Snatch where Boris the Blade is selling a faulty revolver and he's going "heavy is good- heavy is reliable... if it doesn't work you can always heet him with it". Also, LeMat loved lanyard rings haha
The cartridge LeMat's look like guns that would be seen in a movie like "League of Extraordinary Gentleman" lol. Ian, As to the problem with revolving carbines and the cylinder gap, I own a Rossi Circut Judge in .45 Colt / .410 bore which has these simple little wing gas deflectors that protect your forearm from the blast. They seem to work quite well, nary a burn even with the hottest loads and 35grs of FFFg. Actually a pretty fun gun to shoot. I'm surprised that nobody thought of the simple little deflectors on all the previous attempts at revolving carbines in the past.
Forgotten weapons, is there any chance of you doing an episode over underbarrel shotguns? From the Ciener ultimate, masterkey to the XM26. Not sure if you're limited by what comes into the auction house but I've met a lot of gun enthusiasts who were unaware of underbarrel shotguns. Thanks!
Love antique gun. Some of the designs they came up with in the early days of firearms, they may not have always worked out commercially etc, but they were at the very least interesting.
Thanks Ian. I have only seen photos of that La Matt. Its nice to see the features. I hope you find a percussion Carbine to feature some day. It would be cool to have a retro Carbine. I noticed a bandolier ring to sling the pistole.
That Carbine centre fire cartridge version of the Lemat would be really fun to shoot. What's so cool about it, is that there is no chance of it chain firing and blowing your forehand off because of the ammunition being self contained centre fire cartridges
you know i really find it odd that as of posting this message one person disliked the video. i thought it was vary informative and i learned something new.
A friend of mine is a Steampunk re-enactor, and one of his characters is Captain Dick British of Her Majesty's Airship "The Wicked Lady". And guess what? His weapon of choice is a replica Le Mat!
Would be cool to see a modern iteration. Rossi could probably do it, as they did make the circuit judge which uses a blast shield to address the cylinder gap problem
The Nagant revolver solved the cylinder gap problem pretty well, I would say. It practically is the only revolver where you can put your hand, arm, fingers past the cylinder. There are a couple of revolving carbine with a shield so you can hold it better. They should make a carbine version of the nagant revolver
If I remember correctly, the 11mm Chamelot-Delvigne revolver cartridge fired a relatively light-for-caliber (180 or 164 grain) bullet at BB gun velocities (430 or 620fps) - barely met the stopping power of a .25 or .32 ACP
The rifle version is gorgeous... how much would I love to own one. I'm devoting a portion of my retirement, when it comes, to collecting turn of the century firearms. My first will be a complete Red 9 Mauser...
I didn't realize there was ever a cartridge version. I have the Pietta repro of the percussion model, was just cleaning it last night. We had a discussion when Ian did the 5 LeMats a few days ago about how one would go about making a cartridge model and I didn't even think it would be realistically possible mostly because of needing a means of loading the shotgun shell. Can certainly see why those weren't popular.
one of the best things ever seen by this time from the past time :D using a chamber of a barrel as an axle for the 'mag' of another axle. that idea is pretty neat. somehow inspiring. imagine it would've been a break action revolver so you could load an even longer shot shell and faster reloading that beauty. hmmmmm need a lathe...and time. the recoil should be nice and soft because the shotbarrel is right in the middle, where your hand is.
Could be used in games in such awasome way... why nobody thought about this before, its just beatiful oldschool construction combined with doubtfull utility, that would fit perfectly to some oldschool shooters.
As to the gas through the cylinder gap problem, adding the Nagant M95 revolver gas seal system would fix that! I love the c&b LeMat revolver, and it's on my list. They aren't cheap though! I think the cartridge LeMat is ugly as homemade sin, I like it! Took awhile for it to grow on me, and this video really helped. That carbine is really cool! Makes the Remington and Colt carbines look positively petite!
For the time, that was not a bad sidearm...the first one I mean. It is a bit heavier than other options, but other options would have 1, 2, or maybe 6 shots. This one has 9 shots plus a last ditch shotgun blast. I see why they could not survive into the cartridge times though. That is starting to get a bit too awkward to have as a sidearm. You are correct about no one really fully solving that cylinder gap issue on revolving rifles. The best I have seen is the rather new Circuit Judge. I own one. They put blast shields in place to help direct the gases away. It...mostly works, but after a few cylinders of ammo down range, I did notice a burn mark on my forarm. The only way I can see this not being an issue is if someone built a Nagant style revolving rifle. That should work well actually.
Ian, I was wondering if anyone ever tried building some sort of shield into the frame of a revolving rifle in order to cure the problem of peppering ones fore hand due to the cylinder gap. Im guessing they probably did and it did not work because that seems like a simple of enough fix for someone to have thought of it if it did work. Im guessing it might cause the blast to be diverted back towards the shooters face.
Becky Klietz Yes, Sam Colt himself tried it with the 1855 revolving rifle/shotgun. He found that it deflected sparks back towards the cylinder and increased the incidence of chainfire - and for that reason didn't use it.
Forgotten Weapons I wonder if nowadays someone can pull it of. With the mechanism of the Nagant revolver I suppose it wouldn´t be a problem. The other question is, if there is a market for such a thing.
The Muzzle Loading LeMat was chambered in .42 caliber actually. Reproductions are made in .44 caliber.about 2500 LeMat's where used by Confederate cavalary.
I wouldn’t call the LeMat cartridge version ugly. It is very French looking. It looks like something Jules Verne would carry, “Mon formidable révélateur de la mort”.
The LeMat centerfire is one of the useable guns in Hunt: Showdown and one of my favorites. Learning about the real life version is really cool.
That game has made all the useless forgotten weapons trivia rattling around in my brain to use to ramble to all my friends while were playing lol. Fucking love that game.
The ingame Model is actually the older Version, just for playability converted into a cardridge firing gun.
Ao glad younsaid it lol use it all the time
i agree
Well, it is called mk 2 in game@@Corax-Rabe
LeMat's guns back then, probably looked as futuristic sci-fi, as a phasor rifle would look to us today
The character Jane Cobb used a tricked out one in the Sci-Fi show "Firefly"
"Futuristic" good cus the thumbnail made this look like a video on cursed gun memes.
Commas, are really, painful.
Fascinating........
They honestly give me borderlands vibes
The cartridge le mat looks steam punk as hell.
just what I was gonna say....have you seen the homemade auto revolver Ian showcases on a different vid?....also very steampunk...several weapons on here could be used for that...
+Lord Garfield in soviet russia...
+menacinggesture I see the term "steam punk" being used a lot now.. what is this term referring to? time? thanks
Greg Miller "Steam Punk" is a style. It's usually Victorian fashion mixed with more "advanced" technological concepts, usually steam powered. A quick google image search will yield a better explanation...
T0mN7 thanks 4 the info.. i've seen it used on most stuff from goggles to swords,,,
"Ugly"
That's quite subjective.
That gun looks beautiful man. The concept has so much potential for even more too.
Uhh no it looks ratchet
i do like it
Alright, this is hands down the coolest video you have done yet. Lematts are among my favorite platforms of all time. I just love the way they look and operate! Thanks for this video
LeMat, stupid auto correct.
I always liked the idea of the lemat, having that shotgun shell for when you REALLY need the stopping power.
Plus 9 rounds during an age were most revolvers had 6.
@@flipchuck You kind of needed the extra 3 rounds in the standard LeMat revolver since it used pellet-loading chambers. You needed to make sure you put your target down because reloading would take an eternity compared to the cartridge-loading versions that came later but both cartridge versions look awkward and unbalanced.
@@lhfinatl7068 i 100% agree. I just love the fact that it had more shots then the average revolver at the time. While your enemy is busy reloading, you can keep on shooting them. Have two lemats and you may not need to reload during most gunfights during the wild west time.
I have a modern cap-and-ball "replica", which they emphasize is a generic replica, since so many different caliber variations existed. I gather one of LeMat's "marketing" problems was calibers inconsistent with common army calibers, requiring special bullet molds.
It IS a fun fun to fire ... but I learned the hard way to fire the shotgun first, since I could not figure out a way to grease the top to seal it against chain fire. The first time I tried saving the shotgun for last, the first ball shot triggered the shotgun too, and the tremendous unexpected recoil took a small divot out of me just behind my thumb (the other revolver chambers were properly sealed).
It is heavy and off-balance, making it less fun. My replica's loading ram is set up wrong, such that the ram lands on top of the ball almost immediately, making it hard to even get your fingers between it and the barrel, let alone providing any decent leverage.
I'm glad I have had the chance to play with it, but seldom fire it, and if I had known how poor a gun it is, I don't think I would have bought it, since it cost 3 times what my Remington 1858 New Model Army replica cost (this was about 20 years ago). Like all black powder guns, it gets filthy fast, and even longer to clean, what with four more nipples and chambers.
@@grizwoldphantasia5005 Couldn't you put an extra wafer on the shotgun at the end of loading to seal it off?
Those both look like weapons straight out of a steampunk novel or a video-game. I could see them being used in Hellboy for some reason hahaha. They're just so massive and over the top compared to the typical "old revolver". I mean.... 9 rounds of center-fire pistol cartridges AND a shotgun round??? I think the carbine is my favorite but really... what amazing inventiveness and engineering and what amazing pieces of history. Thank you as always for sharing this with the world. Amazing channel.
The cartridge revolver must be one of the most steampunk guns I've ever seen, but in particular it looks like an ideal movie gun just because it's so eye-catching. If you had the right equipment to reload for it, I expect it would be loads of fun at the range, especially if you could run a 3-gun match with only two guns! Or if you really wanted to get crazy, your revolver could be the LeMat cartridge revolver, your rifle could be the LeMat rifle, and you could use both shotgun barrels for the shotgun targets.
I was just thinking "that's so steampunk" as I was looking at the revolver. Nice one!
Looks capable and deadly beautiful .
Yes straight out of a vampire movie.
@@rajendraramoutar9999 9p9p
Its looks like hellboy's gun lol
I'm not really into guns in general. I like these videos for the technical and historical info. That being said, these are pretty damn cool.
Well, as Ian said, there is at least two Italian companies that make reproductions of cap and ball revolvers. I think the LeMat goes for about a thousand dollars. So If you ever decide that you want one, they are out there.
I haven't checked to see if the cartridge LeMat has been reproduced though.
Looks like Hell Boy's gun but cooler.
I would totally own one of these cartridge capable models, oh I love the carbine as well.
A hangun hybrid shotgun.
10/10
I think I'm in love. That cartridge firing one is beautiful, so bulky, so many shots.
_I know what you're thinking, punk. "Did he fire nine tines, plus the 20 gauge, or only eight?"_
If he hasn't fired the 20 gauge first, eight or nine tines wouldn't matter. The punk would feel pretty lucky.
This is one of those trust me you'd know situations lol
I can only hear this in Carol Channing.
I'm not really a gun guy. Your videos are fascinating simply from a mechanical point of view. It's amazing the engineering behind even firearms that are over 100 years old. Excellent videos. Thanx
I love looking back at these old videos. It’s October 2021 and to see how Ian has grown is crazy lol. Much respect
So I'm years behind, but Ian if you see this: I've fired the Tarus Circuit Judge, which solved the "hand forward of the cyclinder gap" problem with a pair of wings around the bottom of the cyclinder. My buddy and I never got burn from it. Highly recommend firing one if you have not, tons of fun (much more so than the Judge pistol imo).
I had no idea there was a cartridge chambering version! How cool, and its amazing that its not just a rechamber, but a completely redesigned gun. Fascinating.
ugly? i think its beautiful!
***** you have your right to an opinion. I dont care but you have your right
Personally, I think that the cap & ball version is beautiful, but the cartridge version is fugly.
zach miller kinda steampunky
MCTales89 Agreed, but not as elegant as the Walker Colt.
Didnt you know, ugly is the new beautiful.
Finally, a LeMat, which is probably one of the first oddball guns I have come to know and appreciate in my life. I believe there's another example of the centerfire model, the type X or something along the name, with two separate hammers forming an "X" shape. Thanks a lot Ian.
my friend told me i had rare and expensive taste. he's a gun nut, i'm not. flipping through one of his catalogues of guns, i see this piece and go "oooooh, this one i like! it's as subtle as a car crash!" (this was before i knew it packed shot as under-barrel, which was icing on the cake)
the reality check i got when i learned more about this gun was painful. still want one, though. as an aside, anybody's got 50 spare grand they'd lend me? i need it for.... a thing.
Get a Pietta repro for $900.
i think you are the only one to have a video about the lemat centerfire, but i'm sure as hell you are the only one to show an actual lemat carbine
Love the LeMat guns, thank you so much for sharing these beauties ^^
When he points that 11mm barrel above the gaping shotgun barrel...and can you just imagine what that looked like with big ol fat chunks of lead in them barrels...
Literally made my guts a little quezy. Certainly would have sucked to have had that be the last thing one every saw...👍👍
man, i remember the first time i found your channel ian, and its been a blast seeing you find even stranger guns
This is the revolver the "Man in Black" used in Westworld
Ian's got a video on Ed Harris' LeMat revolver
A little fantasy though since the gun looks like a muzzle loader but uses cartridges.
Jayne Cobb used one in Firefly as well, though his was slightly kitbashed to look more sci-fi.
Here from Westworld.
Same as the doc from death lands eh... James axler
Thanks, Ian. I have seen some of the most interesting weapons in your videos. Please keep them coming.
I've always loved the LeMat revolver. Just... i dunno. It has to be my favorite, just for the mix of feasibility of use, and how interesting a concept it is. plus how big it is compared to say the Colt Army. Just interesting to me.
Never knew about the centerfire version. And I sure as hell didn't know about the carbine. Very awesome to see the evolution of my personal favorite. And the bulky look, though definitely ugly compared to the sleeker cap and ball, is oddly charming.
But as you said. Really nice to see all 3 in the same place.
"The gap which no one has ever really solved all that well..." *looks over at his Nagant revolvers*
Looks over complete lack of people that are willing to copy this "well" design...
Those centerfire guns are really fascinating. I gotta say that this channel has given me a lot of great ideas for weapons in my fiction.
all of those guns are extremely sick. I don't know about needing the shotgun part, but the bulky steel and high capacity and just brutal manly look is everything. I love these guns
Ian,
Thank you, and R.I.A., for adding these remarkable pieces to your firearms history channel. For decades I've longed to see an example of a cartridge-firing LeMat, then you come up with a revolver, and also a carbine! It would be a great thing for the gun-nuts like me if the buyer/s allowed you to tape a live-fire video.
If it weren't for the expense and legal issues that come with pistol-sized shotguns, I'd love to see some cartridge firing reproduction LeMat revolvers.
Another rare find! I have seen a few LeMat revolvers at gun shows but have never even heard of a Lemat carbine. Clever design and machine work was impressive for the era. Keep up the great work Ian.
Cool as hell you are preserving history that's mostly hoarded and so rare I thank you so much
Wow I'm so glad I saw this one, I've never known before that Lemats shoot shotgun shells. All three models of this gun are stunning to look at
The most awesome review yet. Who knew there were cartridge Lemats?
Oh, how long I was looking for such a review of centerfire LeMat! There are pinfires everywhere.
I love the cap and ball version. I loved it so much I went and bought a non-firing replica. Such a cool gun.
How did this combo style pistol not catch on?! Must've been too ludicrously expensive
It feels like Ian is whispering this hold episode. ASMR Forgotten Weapons
I've been watching this channel like crazy catching up on all the vids. It's fascinating. The most interesting channel in YT imo. my interest in firearms has waned in the past 25 yrs, but you got me all jazzed up again. Great stuff! Really!
I think I'm in love with the concept behind that revolver.
Duuuuuude, I LOVE old guns like these! THANKS FOR SHARING IAN! You're the best!!!
Thanks, Ian. Wouldn't mind having a chance to shoot the carbine. One more fascinating firearm to add to a long list of "Guns would like to shoot".
I really wish the cartridge version would get remade
That LeMat Centerfire is the Elephant Man of pistols. Holy crap, that thing hit every branch of the ugly tree coming down.
And then the ugly tree was cut down and made into a pile of Ugly bats. The pistol was beaten with every single one.
DFX2KX Kinda really makes ya want one, eh?
DAVE MARKIEWICZ
yes. Yes it does. It's just so ridiculous that it's awesome.
up until this point, I had only seen the LeMat in books. It was the beginning of the dual-ammo guns. (.38spc/9mm/.357mag changable idea). To know that they are manufacturing them again speaks volumes!!
it actually, especially the cartridge version, has a very steampunk feel to it , do you get that vibe at all?
Oh thank you thank you thank you Ian for this video lesson on the LeMat weapons. The original ranks as of the iconic weapons of the war between the states and I have a keen interest in it for various reasons. Thanks again!
Cartridge LeMat is sick as hell I want one.
I would like to see a cylinder rifle that uses the Nagant 1895's sealing system. That would solve the problem, right?
+Oscar Floyd I think it actually would, but the sealing system in the nagant made the trigger mechanism very over complicated, making the trigger pull incredibly clunky.
+TheUplander1896 Pieper Revolver Rifle out of Mexico. On the FW website. Ian said the trigger pull wasn't bad.
It would need really specialized ammo, which would probably make it un-marketable.
Did you know you could suppress those?
Synchronizor Unless you just used Nagant revolver ammo.
Personally, I like both the original cap-and-ball LeMat and the cartridge version. Each is beautifully unique in it's own way and I'd love to have either one!
I've seen these two boys for the 1st time in Call of Juarez games. This video brought me some memories back. God damn good memories! :)
I like it has lots of rounds and if you do run out , beat them to death with it.
Taurus has tabs by the cylinder gap to prevent the burn problem
I always loved LeMats- so visually amazing. I love the hooked version of the trigger guard, even if it isn't ergonomic. It reminds me of that scene in Snatch where Boris the Blade is selling a faulty revolver and he's going "heavy is good- heavy is reliable... if it doesn't work you can always heet him with it". Also, LeMat loved lanyard rings haha
The cartridge LeMat's look like guns that would be seen in a movie like "League of Extraordinary Gentleman" lol.
Ian, As to the problem with revolving carbines and the cylinder gap, I own a Rossi Circut Judge in .45 Colt / .410 bore which has these simple little wing gas deflectors that protect your forearm from the blast. They seem to work quite well, nary a burn even with the hottest loads and 35grs of FFFg. Actually a pretty fun gun to shoot. I'm surprised that nobody thought of the simple little deflectors on all the previous attempts at revolving carbines in the past.
That cartridge-firing LeMat revolver looks badass.
Forgotten weapons, is there any chance of you doing an episode over underbarrel shotguns? From the Ciener ultimate, masterkey to the XM26. Not sure if you're limited by what comes into the auction house but I've met a lot of gun enthusiasts who were unaware of underbarrel shotguns. Thanks!
the nagant revolver solves cylinder gap fairly well.
Yes, but the system comes inherently with a very heavy trigger pull.
Love antique gun. Some of the designs they came up with in the early days of firearms, they may not have always worked out commercially etc, but they were at the very least interesting.
im not going to lie. its one of the only intros i ever liked.
Thanks Ian. I have only seen photos of that La Matt. Its nice to see the features. I hope you find a percussion Carbine to feature some day. It would be cool to have a retro Carbine. I noticed a bandolier ring to sling the pistole.
That Carbine centre fire cartridge version of the Lemat would be really fun to shoot. What's so cool about it, is that there is no chance of it chain firing and blowing your forehand off because of the ammunition being self contained centre fire cartridges
These really scratched my long suffering steampunk itch. You got yourself a sub.
you know i really find it odd that as of posting this message one person disliked the video. i thought it was vary informative and i learned something new.
The LeMat Revolver is one of my favorite guns ever
They're all Sold dude. Well, no wonder, these are beautiful guns.
Always thought it would be awesome to remake the cartridge revolver into a top break 44spl and 20ga
The cartridge firing version is the one that I'd want. It's a monster!
If anyone pulled one of these pistols on you, you really would pap your pants.
What a PIECE of ENGINEERING ART! WOW! what talent. and craftmanship.
I really really like the look of revolving rifles/carbine versions of revolvers
look very steam punky :>
My thoughts exactly
***** Yep. Looks like something an Airship Pirate would be using.
***** Shiny
A friend of mine is a Steampunk re-enactor, and one of his characters is Captain Dick British of Her Majesty's Airship "The Wicked Lady". And guess what? His weapon of choice is a replica Le Mat!
Simon Watts >steampunk >re-enactor ... Wha?
Excellent presentation After 180 years of revolving long guns, Taurus found a workable solution with a shield.
Would be cool to see a modern iteration. Rossi could probably do it, as they did make the circuit judge which uses a blast shield to address the cylinder gap problem
I look forward to watching your videos every day, by far my favorite youtube channel! Thanks for everything you guys do
My Italian reproduction LeMat turns heads at reenactments. Wonder if there was ever a muzzle-loading carbine/rifle version of the original?
The Nagant revolver solved the cylinder gap problem pretty well, I would say. It practically is the only revolver where you can put your hand, arm, fingers past the cylinder. There are a couple of revolving carbine with a shield so you can hold it better. They should make a carbine version of the nagant revolver
If I remember correctly, the 11mm Chamelot-Delvigne revolver cartridge fired a relatively light-for-caliber (180 or 164 grain) bullet at BB gun velocities (430 or 620fps) - barely met the stopping power of a .25 or .32 ACP
I wish somebody made something like the original gun but for modern .357/.44/.45 and 20 rounds ...
Great presentation, thank you!
The rifle version is gorgeous... how much would I love to own one. I'm devoting a portion of my retirement, when it comes, to collecting turn of the century firearms. My first will be a complete Red 9 Mauser...
I didn't realize there was ever a cartridge version. I have the Pietta repro of the percussion model, was just cleaning it last night. We had a discussion when Ian did the 5 LeMats a few days ago about how one would go about making a cartridge model and I didn't even think it would be realistically possible mostly because of needing a means of loading the shotgun shell. Can certainly see why those weren't popular.
Johnny Ringo on the tv show used one of these. He always had that one extra shot that no one believed he had. Nick Adams.
one of the best things ever seen by this time from the past time :D using a chamber of a barrel as an axle for the 'mag' of another axle. that idea is pretty neat. somehow inspiring. imagine it would've been a break action revolver so you could load an even longer shot shell and faster reloading that beauty. hmmmmm need a lathe...and time.
the recoil should be nice and soft because the shotbarrel is right in the middle, where your hand is.
Never even heard of the centerfire versions. Excellent. I suppose one could use the selector as a type of safety if the shotgun chamber was unloaded.
I didn't think of that. Pretty clever idea, you'd get the full nine shots, then.
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Anyone that knew what they were doing never put the hammer down on a loaded cylinder.
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Or put the hammer down on an empty chamber, more often.
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The Remington also had a very good safety notch implementation.
Could be used in games in such awasome way... why nobody thought about this before, its just beatiful oldschool construction combined with doubtfull utility, that would fit perfectly to some oldschool shooters.
Your very privileged to have a chance to hold such rare historical firearms.
As to the gas through the cylinder gap problem, adding the Nagant M95 revolver gas seal system would fix that!
I love the c&b LeMat revolver, and it's on my list. They aren't cheap though!
I think the cartridge LeMat is ugly as homemade sin, I like it! Took awhile for it to grow on me, and this video really helped. That carbine is really cool! Makes the Remington and Colt carbines look positively petite!
Pretty intimidating looking pistol none the less :-D
I think that those looked amazing. I would have wanted that Cartridge Pistol.
So simple yet incredibly genius!
These are incredibly unique. They're honestly beautiful to me.
These are some cool ass pieces. Awesome.
For the time, that was not a bad sidearm...the first one I mean. It is a bit heavier than other options, but other options would have 1, 2, or maybe 6 shots. This one has 9 shots plus a last ditch shotgun blast. I see why they could not survive into the cartridge times though. That is starting to get a bit too awkward to have as a sidearm.
You are correct about no one really fully solving that cylinder gap issue on revolving rifles. The best I have seen is the rather new Circuit Judge. I own one. They put blast shields in place to help direct the gases away. It...mostly works, but after a few cylinders of ammo down range, I did notice a burn mark on my forarm. The only way I can see this not being an issue is if someone built a Nagant style revolving rifle. That should work well actually.
I know a lot of confederate cavalry commanders loved them, Shotguns are much easier to hit with when you're riding on a horse. And that nine shots....
I must be honest, these guns look awesome! Especially the pistols.
Very Cool Videos! Always so informative and interesting. Love it!
A nagant revolver style gas system used on a revolving rifle would be pretty neat. Along with the nagant revolver style cartridges.
Ian, I was wondering if anyone ever tried building some sort of shield into the frame of a revolving rifle in order to cure the problem of peppering ones fore hand due to the cylinder gap. Im guessing they probably did and it did not work because that seems like a simple of enough fix for someone to have thought of it if it did work. Im guessing it might cause the blast to be diverted back towards the shooters face.
Becky Klietz Yes, Sam Colt himself tried it with the 1855 revolving rifle/shotgun. He found that it deflected sparks back towards the cylinder and increased the incidence of chainfire - and for that reason didn't use it.
That makes sense for a black powder gun but it seems like chain fire would not be an issue in a cartridge gun.
Forgotten Weapons I wonder if nowadays someone can pull it of. With the mechanism of the Nagant revolver I suppose it wouldn´t be a problem. The other question is, if there is a market for such a thing.
+TheGamers0 There's a plan slowly hatching here, isn't it😆.
+RonJohn63 theres was a Nagant carbine, didnt really catch on though
The Muzzle Loading LeMat was chambered in .42 caliber actually. Reproductions are made in .44 caliber.about 2500 LeMat's where used by Confederate cavalary.
The first one is actually beautiful
Very beautful!
I wouldn’t call the LeMat cartridge version ugly. It is very French looking. It looks like something Jules Verne would carry, “Mon formidable révélateur de la mort”.
3 really cool guns! Thanks for the video.
Work of art