He reincarnated like the Doctor Actually both him and Johnny Reb are Time Lords, that explains how they both lived in the present day and yet had memories of being in the Civil War itself
@@randomjunkohyeah1 technically they are both different regenerations of the same time lord stuck in an eternal time paradox where only one can be just while the other lives
Fun fact: The minie ball in the first rifle being so tight is actually a feature instead of a flaw! Early Minie balls had the wooden, clay or metal plug Karl mentioned, which made the bullet expand more in the barrel to fit the rifling. This was necessary because rifle calibers were far less precisely stanardized, so you needed more expansion. The Springfield and Harper's Ferry Armories were able to achieve extremely precise barrel calibers, which allowed them to use an all-lead bullet with no plug, making manufacture way easier and less expensive. You could make a Union Minie ball with a hand cast in a camp fire if you needed to, which wasn't true of British minie balls.
this actually is only really true for the extreme early war, by the time the war ramped up the US ordinance department switched to clay and iron cups for easier production, although it didnt really make a difference because they standardized the bullet to a size that didnt fit any of the commonly issued rifles well.
Burnside's ice cream cone reminds me a lot of how basically every modern cartridge is some degree of tapered because a cone is easier to extract than a full cylinder. Obviously this one is to a far greater extent, and that might be an ease of use thing. Gotta hand it to Burnside, that's a really clever design
For Andy's part atleast, I can assure you that those of us who are used to hot, humid ass southern summers actually kinda love y'all's hellish dry heat. Atleast out west we can breathe when it's hot, whereas down here the heat comes along with so much humidity that you feel like you're gonna drown just from walking outside.
@@swayback7375 not really, many guns where used to kill good people, innocent people. Think of guns made by the Germans for example. Many Jewis, gay, Roma, leftist, basically everyone the Germans didn't like for absurd reasons got a bullet from that.
@@swayback7375 no, most guns killed innocent people and where used by Empires. Think of all the guns the Soviet Union churned out, or the Germans. Most guns worked for questionable ideologies.
@@rubenskiii It was a comment made in passing, making light of a title that would only be deemed controversial by idiots. We're not here for a talk about how guns symbolize imperialistic conquest, we're here because we like history and we like blowing off some steam by plinking at bottles and saw blades.
@@stephenandersen4625 yeah there's actually people in the south who think cause their great great granpappy fought for the Confederacy, they need to just have civil war autism about it. There are mfs who dead ass live and breathe the stars and bars. Honestly that's no better than waiving an Osama bin laden flag
@@hellishcyberdemon7112 No. However, he does make a point. There are people that are fervently on the Confederate Side during re-enactments...They make it part of their personality.
For those of you interested in the human element, there is a great book called “The Social History of the Machine Gun.” It’s exactly that. How people’s ideas about war and military service changed with the introduction of that weapon. Also the differing attitudes of various national militaries towards its adoption. It’s a fascinating book about the social feedback loop of a new technology.
How close in your opinion does this paraphrased account fit with the historical record? I find it amusing, but I am curious if it holds up. "How DARE you sir! Never have I seen such a lacking display of cavalry spirit, to suggest that this illustrious regiment could be brought low by your toys! Dismount your horse sir and walk back to the barracks, as such a mode of locomotion clearly suits your infantry addled mind." - Paraphrased response of the Commanding General, 1st Cav Regiment, to a junior officer who'd been put in charge of the regiment's first machine gun section.
Another great bit of media about everyone suddenly coming to terms with the reality of machine guns is the Hardcore History podcast Word War 1 series "Blueprint for Armageddon". Alas, it's no longer available for free, but it's definitely worth paying for.
Well, I am old. My Grandfather was TOO OLD FOR SERVICE in WW2. However, he was almost finished his advanced training, machinegun corp here in New Zealand, 19 years old, at the end of October 1918. I got a lot of his things, as a child, when he passed away. A lot of books and I have his medals and his uniform badges. And in his books, he used to write comments in pencil on the edge of the page. One book, a famous author talking about "The Empire" and how boys could wear the uniform of "The King" and he had written things in it IN PENCIL when he was a child, and when he came home, took a black pen and wrote on the fly leaf "They will tell these lies to children, and send them to war to kill their brothers" and dated it. that is why I was given the book by him, I can see now.
It's easy to overlook how significant the Machine-gun changed everything if you look at it from the officer or line-soldier of the day. British soldiers of the late 1800s and early 1900s still had "Volley sights" on their rifle. you'd line one notch up to a range well beyond what you could reasonably aim at (say 2500-3000 meters away) and use the rear sight to basically arc fire your rifle like an archer or a howitzer piece. The principle was you'd have 50-60 guys in a section laying down a volley like archers of old only at even greater distances and sure, you probably wouldn't hit anything on average but the guy down range doesn't know that. All he knows is "Oh shit, i'm being shot at". The Machine-gun made that line of thinking obsolete but you can still find those volley sights on old British/Commonwealth guns of the era.
Hey, I want to apologize. I'm young (ish) and years ago I watched your channel and left some bad comments... I won't re say exactly what I said exactly, other than that it was cringe and I was wrong. Like many young people, my political opinions were bad and unfounded in reality. You're cool ^~^ Have fun, be safe, and God be with you.
bro, listen... you don't have to be sorry. Everyone has different ideals, some people believe that their side is the only good one, like these guys... but you're free to think however you like. I love these guns so I watch the vid happily but yet, yea I don't like the title.
On the last quote - I was reminded of Wellington's comment after Waterloo: "Believe me, nothing except a battle lost can be half so melancholy as a battle won"
@@OceanChannelProductions No, the correct flag of the south is 13 stripes alternating between red and white with a blue box in the corner containing 50 stars
@@TaxConsumer There's about 2 million war related photos and most of them are portraits. It's hard to find many photos of soldiers who didn't even have cartridge boxes, it's not like most men used powder flasks or their pockets.
Been having the recent privilege of diving through the archives in Washington D.C., a pretty damning report on the Gallagher Carbine from the CO of the 2nd Tennessee (Union) Cavalry who unfortunately was issued with 589, reported: "The Carbine now in use by the Regt. Gallagher's Patent, are a very imperfect and inefficient arm and are totally unfit for service particularly against the Enfield Rifle of the enemy" A Captain from what is called the 1st (Union) Mississippi (presumably the mounted rifles) was more succinct, writing of it simply: "Utterly worthless"
It's the worst rated carbine of the ACW, aside from the Gibbs and Cosmopolitan (The gun with like 25 names). The Hall too was called "Poor to worthless" by 22 field officers in the 1863-64 survey by the Ordinance Department. There was an excuse though - these Halls were made way back in the late 30s and early 40s, they were as old as many of the officers filling out the surveys!
@@theprojectproject01 Yeah I can believe it. Forget gas seal, if your breech loading rifle design requires to you wrench out a hot cartridge that doesn't want to come out it nullifies any other factors
@@SStupendous Like... I see what Gallagher was driving toward, what the end goal was. It's not a big jump from the carbine to an H&R single-shot. But the "form factor" of the rimmed, brass cartridge wasn't developed yet, and so neither was the idea of an extractor.
i love InRange basically going Drill Sergeant on our boy while he desperately tries to pull the cartridge out of the Gallager lmfao. "Extract and retain the cartridge. EXTRACT AND RETAIN TH- Extract the cartridge- get the cartridge out- you need to get that out, you have to reload- remove the cartridge. REMOVE THE CARTRIDGE. Okay- FORGET IT! Reload." - 8:58
On seeing a dog sitting by the body of its owner: "This soldier, I realized, must have had friends at home and in his regiment; yet he lay there deserted by all except his dog. I had looked on, unmoved, at battles which decided the future of nations. Tearless, I had given orders which brought death to thousands. Yet, here I was stirred, profoundly stirred, stirred to tears. And by what? By the grief of one dog." That was Napoleon, who was no stranger to mass casualties. Animals hit different.
@@EthelredHardrede-nz8yv even then lots of the combat took place at less than 200 yards so the advantage of the rifle wasn't as great as you'd think, not to mention the men got basically no live fire training and it wasn't uncommon for the first time a man fired his musket with a live round was in his first battle.
A rifled gun is still way more accurate at any range. An untrained shooter is going to have a much easier time hitting a target with a rifled barrel than a smooth bore. @Gustav000
@@RK-ej1to I didn't say they were equal just that the rifle doesn't offer as much of an advantage as you'd expect, the hit rate for smooth bores isn't that much less than a rifle and is actually greater if they're using buck and ball. Also factor in battlefield conditions, black powder produces a large amount of smoke so after a few volleys both the shooter and target will be at least partially obscured making aimed fire difficult if not impossible. And one more thing due to the high arc that is required for firing at range it is very important that the shooter accurately know the range to target otherwise the bullet will fly harmlessly over the targets head. For reference, when shooting at a target 500 yards away the bullet with peak at about 16 feet above the ground.
I remember in a joint Q&A a few years ago Andrew said "I'm not *not* a gun person" in response to questions about gun collabs with InrangeTV. Nice to see this come to fruition!
I have a relative that served in the 98th Illinois Infantry Regiment which later became the 98th Regiment Illinois Volunteer Mounted Infantry. They used Spencer Rifles I've been told, not the Carbine variation. Served under John T. Wilder during the Battle of Chickamauga. John J. Funkhouser commanded the 98th and the family is still around in our area with many locations named after.
Interesting story: In a different regiment under Wilder during Hoover’s Gap, one dying soldier attempted to sabatoge his gun in his final moments to prevent it from being captured
As an African American let me just say that message at the end revolving around Gun culture and its impact in not just America itself, but the people in question using these tools I applaud both you and @InRangeTV. Guns are part of the African American identity. Many of my ancestors were sold off to slave via trading guns to African tribes. From then on black Americans of multiple generations saw guns for their power and importance, especially in our freedoms. Slave revolts and maroon communities all over the south were some of the first demonstrations of black liberation pre civil war. Guns confiscated from slave raids were associated with high importance as it can turn the tide of a slave and a freedom fighter. Then the civil war in question as black Americans fact discrimination on both sides to liberate all of us the accepted the tools of destruction with honor. Post civil war the gun was still a valuable tool that in a time up until the civil rights movement that was littered in black towns massacred, people hung and torched, and many other atrocities. All throughout that time black communities took arms which lead to the black power movement of the late 60s and 70s defining what the second amendment means for all not just white Americans. As we still have gun debates in current generations and how it is still unfair for black gun users in a lot of situations to use their arms without discrimination people like you continue to educate the importance of gun history that affects all Americans and not just gloss over these defining wars like a cheap high school revision paper.
@@RollsCanardly-fv9ksthis man put out a well thought out comment putting forth his views and thoughts on a serious topic, and you respond with an unfunny shitpost. Shame on you seriously
Of course, to be fair there were PLENTY of racists who wore blue; Sherman remained one well beyond the Civil War. But as Allen Guelzo put it in Voices from Gettysburg, the Northern armies "were not always the slaves' best friend, but they were slavery's deadliest enemy." And it's worth noting that many, MANY Yankees underwent a conversion experience the farther the northern armies pushed into the southern states and saw for themselves the horror of slavery and the humanity of the slaves.
you trying to both sides argument the civil war is so silly. some northerners were racist sure but they didn't leave the union and start a war over the inability to own another human
@@mike990this comment doesn’t read as ‘both sides’ at all. Recognizing the racism among the north is as natural as recognizing the racism that still exists in society and its systems today. Both sides *were* racist. And still are.
Okay, this is worth showing my ignorance. I haven't found a crossover between Atun-Shei and Esoterica. Have they done a video/videos together, or are they linked in some other way? I'd love to see that.
What a great, informative and interesting video, both of you are very sympathetic. As a foreigner who is very interested in history, in absolutely every field, I also find the Civil War very important. I also liked your final words on the subject of war and violence, which were very logical and above all important words.
Just one thing--muscle memory from training would kick in for veteran troops. Additionally, a lot of troops in the early war, especially from the south, were already well trained as part of a general militia craze, modelled mostly after the French army from the earlier Crimean War in the early 1850s.
I would dispute classifying them as well-trained. They would have been competent at platoon and company level manoeuvres, but their firearms proficiency would actually have been quite lacking. Ammunition was expensive, and firearms training was very rudimentary. On top of this, you have to remember that the overwhelming majority of the training would have been done by men who were themselves amateurs, often political appointees or local dignitaries, whose abilities would be highly variable. After the war, it was estimated that one-in-four of the soldiers on both sides had never fired their rifle before entering combat for the first time - the standard of training was just that bad. This is actually why most firefights took place at such close ranges. The thing about the rifled-musket is that you can't just point it and shoot - it has a curving trajectory, which means that you need to have a good understanding of ballistics, distance judgement and windage in order to use it accurately beyond 100 metres. That kind of advanced musketry training simply did not exist in the United States at the time, not even in the regulars. Pretty much the only units capable of using the rifled-musket at long range were specialists, like Berdan's Sharpshooters - and only then because they maintained very strict entry standards. You had to already be a naturally gifted marksman just to get into one.
@@biggiouschinnus7489 I disagree with your statement that lack of training resulted in close range firefights. Terrain--especially at battlefields like the Wilderness and Shiloh, not to mention Chickamauga, was a superb retardant for long range shooting. You don't shoot at something you can't see. Battlefields like Gettysburg are the exception--not the rule.
I'm struggling to imagine how muscle memory helps when the soldier can't shoot because the last cartridge is stuck in the gun and needs a special wrench to extract it, or when the weapon has become so hot that the area they're supposed to grip is searing their skin as they're trying to aim. Muscle memory speeds up reloading and repositioning to fire, but it doesn't change the times when the weapon doesn't function as intended. The U.S. Army's current rifles include a forward assist purely because soldiers knew how badly a failure to seat a cartridge could make all their marksmanship training irrelevant, and didn't want to take a chance on not having that option.
I love these and i love you for honoring with that tittle specially considering the kind of people sometimes get into gun enthusiasm , a hug to you ❤️❤️❤️
This is one of the very best pieces of material I have encountered on UA-cam that deals with history and firearms in an inter-related contex. Magnificent work indeed. And two marvelous narrators. It was a pleasure just to listen to you two speak. You are both extremely knowledgable about the topic of the conversation and also very natural, relaxed speakers. Once again, magnificent work! I can not commend you enough.
One of the things I love about Karl as a firearms enthusiast is that his takes on it are absolutely ones that I can wholeheartedly agree with. Love your collaborations with him, and your research in general.
Great practical demonstration of advantages/disadvantages of the evolution of the rifles during that period. Thank you. I never knew the Henry rifle had so many disadvantages as one of the first repeating rifles.
Bring an M60? That'd be fun. I got to fire one while in the Navy in a 2010 end of fiscal year gun shoot (perks of being on a ship commissioned in the 70s. The navy is terrible at out-processing old small arms and the armory was loaded with antiques). Also got to fire an M14 on full auto and an M79. Saved the shells and made a set of shotglasses out of them. Everything except rum tastes like ass, but what can you do? But if you just meant gloves, yeah, that's a good idea too.
I'm from AZ... I still have friends and family in AZ... I can see the angle of the sun. You two are insane and have my mad respect for soldiering through to make this video. My hat is off gentlemen!
I remember reading Rifles for Watie and it wasn't until now that I understand why keeping the Spencers out of the hands of confederate forces was such an important mission.
Let me point out that "Watie" refers to Confederate Brigadier General Stand Watie, a Cherokee Chief. The Five Civilized Tribes were ALL allied with the Confederacy.
"Gettysburg, what an unbelievable battle that was. It was so much, and so interesting, and so vicious and horrible, and so beautiful in so many different ways--it represented such a big portion of the success of this country. Gettysburg, wow--I go to Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, to look and to watch. And the statement of Robert E. Lee, who's no longer in favor--did you ever notice it? He's no longer in favor. 'Never fight uphill, me boys, never fight uphill.' They were fighting uphill, he said, 'Wow, that was a big mistake,' he lost his great general. 'Never fight uphill, me boys,' but it was too late." TFG,WTF
Love the moments of 'drill sergeant'. Great vid and really appreciate examining the true cost of these weapons in terms of being the cause of many a family and friend being devastated by the loss of loved ones.
@@Shifty-hb4fv I'm seeing labour rights, LGBTQ+ rights, anti-racism, and guns and history. Unless I'm missing something he seems exactly like the kind of guy I'd love to give some time to listening to what he has to say.
Well researched and produced as always, but the discussion of the human element, the tragedy of violence, and how tech details can sanitize bloodshed took this over the top. Very well done
Good video! It's crazy to think that most weapons of war aren't only shiny, badass artifacts, that they were carried in battle mostly by scared young people and a window into the reality of what they went through
Great video, loved the presentation, and the note you ended on was definitely one that helps remind us of the human element in all this; thank you for sharing
No he couldnt. He’s a historically illiterate “fellow white” guy who pushes outright revisionist tripe that no expert in the related field would tolerate. Typical Orwellian Marxist revisionism. Wish I was exaggerating. The idea that the union was fighting against racism is so obnoxiously hilarious that you’d think it was a right winger making a parody video mocking leftist historical illiteracy. Every gun in the civil war was killing “racists”. As every white man in the war agreed that the white race was superior. The myth that the north loved blacks and diversity and were fighting those yucky southern racists for equality, exists solely in the heads of leftist propagandists and revisionists in the 21st century. Those blue uniforms these two leftists are wearing to “own the racists!”, are the same blue uniforms used by white racists to exterminate American Indians and conquer vast swaths of Mexico in the name of white racial supremacy. Lol. But because they’re two historically illiterate leftists who want to push some Orwellian revisionism and lay claim to white Christian meme accomplishments in the past. They are oblivious to this.
Great video. I am working on an operational game of the Gettysburg campaign now -- and rating these cavalry units with their weapons (in melee and dismounted modes) is quite difficult. This video helps! AND... great way to bring it all back to reality at the end of the video. I salute you for that.
I pity the men who served during this transitional time in human history. We were quickly moving towards the modern era, yet during this war the medical attention soldiers received was lacking. The bloodiest war in our history of conflict.
In the 1950's, when I was young I would go over to my uncle's home and my aunt would let me play outside with the Burnside rifle that they kept in the back entry way. It felt very heavy to me because of my young age. I fought many a battle with it.
Seen some of those at Civil War museums here in Missouri, a part of the war that is rarely talked about in history, or by people who look only in the east or south, not here in the Midwest.
I'm not a civil war expert, or for that matter, from the US, but I guess the lack of recognition that the hard fought, brutal and very consequential Missouri theater has in mainstream discourse might have to do with the fact it was embarrasing for both sides, for very different reasons. For the Union, it kinda brings out the indiscriminate brutality of the Red Leg/Jayhawk element, which is very aptly and briefly described in Atun Shei's review of Josie Wales. For the Confederates, although you might think they would like playing the victim on that one, the fact is that Confederate actions in Missouri had very little of the gallantry and ultimately doomed tactical genius or whatever they were mythologizing, and instead a lot of outlaw/bandit activity, which the Lost Cause was trying to define against, as it was the perception of the former Confederates at the end of the conflict - rebels, outlaws-. The fact the most famous ex Confederate combatant in that theater was one Jesse James is far far outside the Stonewall/Lee mythos. So that would be my honest guess.
1999 film "Ride With the Devil" is an underrated film that shows the brutality of inner-Civil War strife in the state Missouri. Missouri was probably one of if not the worst border states to ever be in during the Civil War. A state that wasn't safe to declare you allegiance to either the Union or the Confederacy. Doing so, well you would receive a violent welcome from a Missouri Bushwhacker or a Kansas Jayhawker. I don't know if Atun Shei did a movie review on RWTD.
@@spenceramey406 "Ride with the Devil" is a classic in my book. They got the history correct, for the most part, as well as costuming, weapons, dialects, sets, etc. He even got his hands on a new Henery at the end.
@@franciscocalderara1500 Face it, the Trans-Mississippi theater had little in the way of gallantry nor tactics exhibited by either side. It was simply an extension of Bleeding Kansas violence except the belligerents could pretend that their atrocities were sanctioned by Washington or Richmond respectively.
@@Thespian821, We only know that he was infantry. He'd come to the US from Canada with only his young son, & he left the boy in the care of a family of Pennsylvania Dutch farmers, & never returned, so the only details known are from the boy's memories. Some time later, a man visited the farm who had been his buddy & served in the regiment with him. He said he saw him shortly before they went into battle, but never after, so he'd hoped he'd been wounded & discharged, & came to see him. But since he hadn't returned, he was sure he'd died in the battle. The boy later ran away from the farm at fifteen , made his way to the Midwest, & became one of my forefathers.
A great video for a rainy day here in NOLA. It really reminded me of learning to shoot as a wee thing and learning to handle carbines for reenacting. I didn't know about Burnside dreaming up the ideal rifle, though I had heard about Burnside's deadly ice cream cones. Thanks for putting the human context in at the end -- military history often needs the social turn, and you never disappoint there.
I was hoping they would have covered the Sharps rifle/carbine since it was a trap door weapon that was used by a the Sharpshooters, cavalry, Pennsylvania Bucktails, and a few others.
Watching him struggle with those firearms, and Karl's aside glance made this more comical than I'm sure it was meant to be. Also, you do not want to see how bad it got for the Confederates in terms of firearms, just saying.
Understanding military procurement a bit, I think cost probably also factored into the continued use of outdated technology. That was true in the British Army, who used the Long Land Pattern musket for over 100 years. ...or the Thompson SMG that only saw limited use in WW2, due to cost.
@ravenoferin500 if that video is going to be made it would probably have a lot of improperly used words, like "socialist", "liberal", "communist" and of course "anarchy" in places where one would expect word "chaos"
Fun fact: the guy who wrote the music to the Canadian national anthem was a French-Canadian guy named Calixa Lavallée who fought for the Union in the Fourth Rhode Island Regiment as first cornet and was wounded at Antietam.
“Whether they were on the right side or the wrong side, everyone who died was someone’s son, or daughter, or husband…” NGL. That hit way harder than I expected it would.
There's a graveyard on an island in Estonia. On one side are all the Russians who were cut off there in '41, listed on slabs on huge blocks over their shared graves. The rest of the field is simple stone markers for the graves of Germans who were cut off there in '44. At first, those graves don't look all that numerous, but some have four or five names per stone and I found one that simply said: "eight unknown German soldiers." In the middle of the field are upright slabs listing the German soldiers whose last known locations were somewhere on that island. Some of them are under stones bearing their names, but that's an awfully long list of mothers who never knew where to lay a flower.
@@goldenhawk352 But only one side was fighting to preserve a racist way of life. The “good people on both sides” argument doesn’t absolve those who fought for a morally bankrupt cause.
The Henry barrel gets very hot after 25 rounds and you must use a glove. Look at original pictures and often you see the gun holder has a glove in the picture. The 1866 “Yellow Boy” Or Winchester 66 has a wood covering the lower part of the barrel… so no glove needed. I own one, lighter than 1860 Henry but slower to load with the Kings Gate side loading. They sold 10x more 1866 vs 1860 Henry’s (144,000 vs 14,000).
You think talking about historical rifles is going to get me to watch? Considering I grew up on tales of the gun, you're damn right I will! Also might be fun to talk about confederate rifles as well.
You should do a video on the guns of the fur trade, where fur companies like the Hudson Bay Company had a scale on how many beaver pelts could buy you a gun and a certain number could buy you a gun with either a 3 foot or 4 foot barrel and how many beaver pelts could get you so much black powder or flints. The gun trade really started after a battle about an hour from where I am in Ticonderoga in 1609 where Samuel de Champlain, allied to the Wyendot opened fire on Mohawk warriors with only 3 matchlock muskets and killed three Mohawk warriors. The Mohawk, who at the time fought in wooden armor completely ditched their way of fighting, proceeded to head to what is now Albany (then Dutch Fort Orange) and began trading for guns of their own. Soon the Dutch, French & British were making and marketing guns to Native Americans (the serpent on the left side of the British trade guns looked like a deity to many tribes, including my ancestors, who are Mohawk. The guns were then turned on the British later during Pontiac's Rebellion when Jeffrey Amherst tried to limit how much powder Native Americans were allowed to have, the first instance of gun control on the continent.
the 1st Vermont Cavalry had sharps carbines and Savage pistols. The Savage was so flawed two vermonters died from Savage pistol incidents before any rebs did.
This reminds me of how Im pretty uninterested in contemporary fire arms and have never really cared about owning them or studying them but I am fascinated by historical weapons. Notably from the mid 20th century and going backwards in time like to the world wars, late 18th century, and Civil War eras
Proud to say Burnside was also a Rhode Islander. Also, focus on material culture in war may be why so many have tried to invent "the weapon so horrific as to end war" (the Gatling gun is period appropriate example) but have only made war more destructive. To quote General William T. Sherman, "War is hell."
Judging by the tint this was recorded in Movie Mexico
Retrospect Movie Mexico
Almería in Andalusia, Spain?
In the Breaking Universe where two crystal meth sellers are also civil war reenactors. (They hate the neo-nazis)
Hola gente
For a second I thought my monitor was going bad
Billy Yank never died, he just started living in the desert and made gun videos.
Arizona specifically: Those cacti are saguaros and only found in the Sonoran in Arizona/Sonora.
@@Wasserkaktus that is cool
@@Wasserkaktusthank you desert specialist
He reincarnated like the Doctor
Actually both him and Johnny Reb are Time Lords, that explains how they both lived in the present day and yet had memories of being in the Civil War itself
@@randomjunkohyeah1 technically they are both different regenerations of the same time lord stuck in an eternal time paradox where only one can be just while the other lives
"Extract the cartridge. Remove and extract the cartridge. Extra- EXTRACT THE CARTRIDGE."
Mfw he doesnt extract the cartridge
“Billy Yank you blithering idiot!”
Atun Shei will be having nightmares about Karl saying that
Reminds me of Colonel Shaw in Glory: “Faster… faster… FASTER!”
@@I-like-history He has PTSD now.
Fun fact: The minie ball in the first rifle being so tight is actually a feature instead of a flaw! Early Minie balls had the wooden, clay or metal plug Karl mentioned, which made the bullet expand more in the barrel to fit the rifling. This was necessary because rifle calibers were far less precisely stanardized, so you needed more expansion. The Springfield and Harper's Ferry Armories were able to achieve extremely precise barrel calibers, which allowed them to use an all-lead bullet with no plug, making manufacture way easier and less expensive. You could make a Union Minie ball with a hand cast in a camp fire if you needed to, which wasn't true of British minie balls.
this actually is only really true for the extreme early war, by the time the war ramped up the US ordinance department switched to clay and iron cups for easier production, although it didnt really make a difference because they standardized the bullet to a size that didnt fit any of the commonly issued rifles well.
@@defnotthekgb8362 god bless the USA
Andy and Karl out in the Desert and with a title like that? They’re about to break Jesse out of meth slavery.
@@mattmcdonough3282 Breaking Bad IS GOOD.
@@mattmcdonough3282 Breaking Good.
pop a little black pill,
and you're Way Out West
@@mattmcdonough3282Breaking Bad if it was even better
They should rename the vid to "guns that killed the Native Americans"
Burnside's ice cream cone reminds me a lot of how basically every modern cartridge is some degree of tapered because a cone is easier to extract than a full cylinder. Obviously this one is to a far greater extent, and that might be an ease of use thing. Gotta hand it to Burnside, that's a really clever design
gotta fucking love the civ 5 ironclad pfp
@@fishhhhhhhed Ikr
Cool! They're in AZ! Wow!
Wait? They're in ARIZONA? In Daylight? DURING THE SUMMER!?
In those uniforms too..
@@I-like-historylocalized entirely within your kitchen‽
@@strawmanfallacy Can I see it?
For Andy's part atleast, I can assure you that those of us who are used to hot, humid ass southern summers actually kinda love y'all's hellish dry heat. Atleast out west we can breathe when it's hot, whereas down here the heat comes along with so much humidity that you feel like you're gonna drown just from walking outside.
@@themadmanchannel9036 No
I love how mad people are getting over the title of this video. Adds a whole new level of entertainment.
While I’m thinking “isn’t that basically all guns ?”
Its just a misrepresentation because by todays standards Union soldiers were also mostly EXTREMELY racist
@@swayback7375 not really, many guns where used to kill good people, innocent people. Think of guns made by the Germans for example. Many Jewis, gay, Roma, leftist, basically everyone the Germans didn't like for absurd reasons got a bullet from that.
@@swayback7375 no, most guns killed innocent people and where used by Empires. Think of all the guns the Soviet Union churned out, or the Germans. Most guns worked for questionable ideologies.
@@rubenskiii It was a comment made in passing, making light of a title that would only be deemed controversial by idiots. We're not here for a talk about how guns symbolize imperialistic conquest, we're here because we like history and we like blowing off some steam by plinking at bottles and saw blades.
Ya know I just realized, I have hardly ever seen civil war nerds who are on the UNION side lol. But I was born in Arkansas so
@@Shlumbus69 imagine being on the slaver's side in any circumstance, cringe existence
I was born in New York…. I never thought a civil war nerd would be on the confederate side.
I mean… those guys shot at our guys
@@stephenandersen4625 yeah there's actually people in the south who think cause their great great granpappy fought for the Confederacy, they need to just have civil war autism about it. There are mfs who dead ass live and breathe the stars and bars. Honestly that's no better than waiving an Osama bin laden flag
@@ExtraThiccc Do you think reenactments happen with just one side?
@@hellishcyberdemon7112 No. However, he does make a point. There are people that are fervently on the Confederate Side during re-enactments...They make it part of their personality.
“Overly lubricated and small in diameter” loool
Hey! Stop that!
“Seats much easier” 🥵
Very cheap shot, but very well done.
I'm sure you could get at least a halfway convincing apology tor the mean but accurate thing he said...
@@Charles_Gunhaver 😏
For those of you interested in the human element, there is a great book called “The Social History of the Machine Gun.” It’s exactly that. How people’s ideas about war and military service changed with the introduction of that weapon. Also the differing attitudes of various national militaries towards its adoption. It’s a fascinating book about the social feedback loop of a new technology.
Sounds cool! Thanks for the recc : )
How close in your opinion does this paraphrased account fit with the historical record? I find it amusing, but I am curious if it holds up.
"How DARE you sir! Never have I seen such a lacking display of cavalry spirit, to suggest that this illustrious regiment could be brought low by your toys! Dismount your horse sir and walk back to the barracks, as such a mode of locomotion clearly suits your infantry addled mind." - Paraphrased response of the Commanding General, 1st Cav Regiment, to a junior officer who'd been put in charge of the regiment's first machine gun section.
Another great bit of media about everyone suddenly coming to terms with the reality of machine guns is the Hardcore History podcast Word War 1 series "Blueprint for Armageddon".
Alas, it's no longer available for free, but it's definitely worth paying for.
Well, I am old. My Grandfather was TOO OLD FOR SERVICE in WW2. However, he was almost finished his advanced training, machinegun corp here in New Zealand, 19 years old, at the end of October 1918.
I got a lot of his things, as a child, when he passed away. A lot of books and I have his medals and his uniform badges. And in his books, he used to write comments in pencil on the edge of the page.
One book, a famous author talking about "The Empire" and how boys could wear the uniform of "The King" and he had written things in it IN PENCIL when he was a child, and when he came home, took a black pen and wrote on the fly leaf
"They will tell these lies to children, and send them to war to kill their brothers" and dated it.
that is why I was given the book by him, I can see now.
It's easy to overlook how significant the Machine-gun changed everything if you look at it from the officer or line-soldier of the day. British soldiers of the late 1800s and early 1900s still had "Volley sights" on their rifle. you'd line one notch up to a range well beyond what you could reasonably aim at (say 2500-3000 meters away) and use the rear sight to basically arc fire your rifle like an archer or a howitzer piece. The principle was you'd have 50-60 guys in a section laying down a volley like archers of old only at even greater distances and sure, you probably wouldn't hit anything on average but the guy down range doesn't know that. All he knows is "Oh shit, i'm being shot at".
The Machine-gun made that line of thinking obsolete but you can still find those volley sights on old British/Commonwealth guns of the era.
Hey, I want to apologize. I'm young (ish) and years ago I watched your channel and left some bad comments... I won't re say exactly what I said exactly, other than that it was cringe and I was wrong. Like many young people, my political opinions were bad and unfounded in reality.
You're cool ^~^
Have fun, be safe, and God be with you.
@@erichartmann815 hey bud, i know puberty is hard
@@erichartmann815 least obvious rage bait
@@erichartmann815💀💀💀
bro, listen... you don't have to be sorry.
Everyone has different ideals, some people believe that their side is the only good one, like these guys... but you're free to think however you like.
I love these guns so I watch the vid happily but yet, yea I don't like the title.
The background at the table literally looks like a painted 1940's film background lol
You can point a camera pretty much anywhere out here and it looks like an Old West movie set
If they wanted to make it look like a real Western they would have to go to Italy
@@knightshousegamesand Hungary! Don't discount my goulash brethren XD
That's just Southern Arizona bro.
@@nasonguy ok
On the last quote - I was reminded of Wellington's comment after Waterloo: "Believe me, nothing except a battle lost can be half so melancholy as a battle won"
The only Confederate flag me and the homies like: 🏳️🏳️🏳️
The true confederate flag:
A white cross across a white background with white stars.
@@LucyBean42 no the correct one is 3 stripes of red and white and 13 stars in the canton
@@OceanChannelProductionsMURICA
@@OceanChannelProductions No, the correct flag of the south is 13 stripes alternating between red and white with a blue box in the corner containing 50 stars
I believe the most recent confederate flag was the white dish towel Lee surrendered with
"Does the confederacy have easier to use cartridge boxes, cause I'm thinking of defecting" that really cracked me up 😂
He's defective, such a shame
Johnny Reb origin story
timestamp is 18:56 for anyone who wants that
Many confederates didn’t even have cartridge boxes
@@TaxConsumer There's about 2 million war related photos and most of them are portraits. It's hard to find many photos of soldiers who didn't even have cartridge boxes, it's not like most men used powder flasks or their pockets.
Been having the recent privilege of diving through the archives in Washington D.C., a pretty damning report on the Gallagher Carbine from the CO of the 2nd Tennessee (Union) Cavalry who unfortunately was issued with 589, reported:
"The Carbine now in use by the Regt. Gallagher's Patent, are a very imperfect and inefficient arm and are totally unfit for service particularly against the Enfield Rifle of the enemy"
A Captain from what is called the 1st (Union) Mississippi (presumably the mounted rifles) was more succinct, writing of it simply:
"Utterly worthless"
Ha nice👍✌️
It's the worst rated carbine of the ACW, aside from the Gibbs and Cosmopolitan (The gun with like 25 names). The Hall too was called "Poor to worthless" by 22 field officers in the 1863-64 survey by the Ordinance Department. There was an excuse though - these Halls were made way back in the late 30s and early 40s, they were as old as many of the officers filling out the surveys!
I actually have an OG Gallagher. "Worthless" is generous.
@@theprojectproject01 Yeah I can believe it. Forget gas seal, if your breech loading rifle design requires to you wrench out a hot cartridge that doesn't want to come out it nullifies any other factors
@@SStupendous Like... I see what Gallagher was driving toward, what the end goal was. It's not a big jump from the carbine to an H&R single-shot. But the "form factor" of the rimmed, brass cartridge wasn't developed yet, and so neither was the idea of an extractor.
Perfect dune impression, 10/10. No further notes.
Great video, love the InRange collab!
It is insane how many people are trying to "both sides" this video. You can easily tell who didn't watch it.
Edit: never comment while sleepy
"both sides" my ass. The Union got rid of slavery.
i love InRange basically going Drill Sergeant on our boy while he desperately tries to pull the cartridge out of the Gallager lmfao.
"Extract and retain the cartridge. EXTRACT AND RETAIN TH- Extract the cartridge- get the cartridge out- you need to get that out, you have to reload- remove the cartridge. REMOVE THE CARTRIDGE. Okay- FORGET IT! Reload." - 8:58
i felt like i was dissapointing my father, and i wasnt even the one being yelled at.
Firearms are just a sign of a insecure guy with a small peepee
I thought the same thing. Brought back memories of basic training going to the range for the first time.
Well, the Gallager rifle honestly...doesn't look like a good weapon.
Flashbacks
I was not expecting a Dune reference, but I'm glad it's there.
😂😂 i caught that too
In all l my hearing and learning about the civil war, ive never considered the horses. That is a shattering image.
Ikr? At least the humans knew what they were getting into. Absolutely awful
@@AtunSheiFilmsTruly, may we never be taken for fools again.
@@AtunSheiFilms They didn't have John Wayne era stunt horses who just always just fell down...
On seeing a dog sitting by the body of its owner: "This soldier, I realized, must have had friends at home and in his regiment; yet he lay there deserted by all except his dog. I had looked on, unmoved, at battles which decided the future of nations. Tearless, I had given orders which brought death to thousands. Yet, here I was stirred, profoundly stirred, stirred to tears. And by what? By the grief of one dog." That was Napoleon, who was no stranger to mass casualties.
Animals hit different.
@@michaelwoodby5261 Ever watch that one episode of Chernobyl?
Ah, the Henry Repeating Rifle, or as we who played Fallout 3 know it as... Lincoln's Repeater! Great Vid like always!
Dang, I honestly am looking at my brown bess as a british re-enactor and going "wow this is actually easier than some of the union guns"
Yeah but Brown Bess was smoothbore musket. Nothing like the range of the rifles.
@@EthelredHardrede-nz8yv even then lots of the combat took place at less than 200 yards so the advantage of the rifle wasn't as great as you'd think, not to mention the men got basically no live fire training and it wasn't uncommon for the first time a man fired his musket with a live round was in his first battle.
A rifled gun is still way more accurate at any range. An untrained shooter is going to have a much easier time hitting a target with a rifled barrel than a smooth bore. @Gustav000
@@RK-ej1to I didn't say they were equal just that the rifle doesn't offer as much of an advantage as you'd expect, the hit rate for smooth bores isn't that much less than a rifle and is actually greater if they're using buck and ball.
Also factor in battlefield conditions, black powder produces a large amount of smoke so after a few volleys both the shooter and target will be at least partially obscured making aimed fire difficult if not impossible.
And one more thing due to the high arc that is required for firing at range it is very important that the shooter accurately know the range to target otherwise the bullet will fly harmlessly over the targets head. For reference, when shooting at a target 500 yards away the bullet with peak at about 16 feet above the ground.
Yes if you have a good flint
(I have a Brown bess too)
I remember in a joint Q&A a few years ago Andrew said "I'm not *not* a gun person" in response to questions about gun collabs with InrangeTV. Nice to see this come to fruition!
I have a relative that served in the 98th Illinois Infantry Regiment which later became the 98th Regiment Illinois Volunteer Mounted Infantry. They used Spencer Rifles I've been told, not the Carbine variation.
Served under John T. Wilder during the Battle of Chickamauga. John J. Funkhouser commanded the 98th and the family is still around in our area with many locations named after.
Nice.
Interesting story: In a different regiment under Wilder during Hoover’s Gap, one dying soldier attempted to sabatoge his gun in his final moments to prevent it from being captured
@@theanimalguy7 always fun hearing say Funkhouser Road. 😂
Mounted infantry? Intriguing and confusing
@@jesseh.5223 aka Dragoons.
If I had a nickel for every historical arms enthusiasts who weren't walking red flags, I'd have two nickels.
Also Dune references are always a win.
Screeching hail Satan in Klan cosplay covered in fake blood isn't a red flag?
damn, who's the other one?
Ian Mccollum if I had to guess, from Forgotten Weapons @@ravener96
@@ravener96I'm assuming they're both in this video
@@ravener96 Looks like he's related to the people who brought you Gaza in living color.
Listened to "Union Dixie" and "Marching through Georgia" to get into the right mindset for this video.
May I recomend the german song Heckerlied too, it's lyrics author emigrated to the US and served the Union during the first counter insurgency war.😉
Battle Hymn of the Republic time, boys!
Don't forget Union Dixie!
@@alexmath1579 ...he said that first??
Maybe he meant to include the union Dixie-trap remix lol @@AnimeSunglasses
Yall out there in full uniform in the Sonoran desert in the middle of summer? RIP in pepperonis Atun Shei and InRange
OMG! You're in my state! Welcome to Arizona and to 111-degree weather!
I heard the weather there could be higher than that 💀
I saw the saguaros and knew
As an African American let me just say that message at the end revolving around Gun culture and its impact in not just America itself, but the people in question using these tools I applaud both you and @InRangeTV. Guns are part of the African American identity. Many of my ancestors were sold off to slave via trading guns to African tribes. From then on black Americans of multiple generations saw guns for their power and importance, especially in our freedoms. Slave revolts and maroon communities all over the south were some of the first demonstrations of black liberation pre civil war. Guns confiscated from slave raids were associated with high importance as it can turn the tide of a slave and a freedom fighter. Then the civil war in question as black Americans fact discrimination on both sides to liberate all of us the accepted the tools of destruction with honor. Post civil war the gun was still a valuable tool that in a time up until the civil rights movement that was littered in black towns massacred, people hung and torched, and many other atrocities. All throughout that time black communities took arms which lead to the black power movement of the late 60s and 70s defining what the second amendment means for all not just white Americans. As we still have gun debates in current generations and how it is still unfair for black gun users in a lot of situations to use their arms without discrimination people like you continue to educate the importance of gun history that affects all Americans and not just gloss over these defining wars like a cheap high school revision paper.
@@RollsCanardly-fv9ksthis man put out a well thought out comment putting forth his views and thoughts on a serious topic, and you respond with an unfunny shitpost. Shame on you seriously
The "black power" movement of the 60's and 70's were a bunch of commies.
Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.
@@bosef1 Depends which gun. The fire lances are SO 1000 AD.
damn you got kinda owned huh
As somebody who found Andy through Karl before they had their first collaboration, this was very nice.
Outstanding video with outstanding people 😁👍💚
Total frauds
@@hitman_s1 when an idiot makes that claim it's a huge compliment.
@@hitman_s1 Cry about it, terrorist.
@@hitman_s1 cry me a river
@@jamesferguson2353 Cry more
Karl looked so sad after you cut off his intro
This might be the coolest title for any gun related video I've ever seen, lmao love this channel
cringiest*
yes I am racist... I drive a lot of racing cars.
Of course, to be fair there were PLENTY of racists who wore blue; Sherman remained one well beyond the Civil War. But as Allen Guelzo put it in Voices from Gettysburg, the Northern armies "were not always the slaves' best friend, but they were slavery's deadliest enemy." And it's worth noting that many, MANY Yankees underwent a conversion experience the farther the northern armies pushed into the southern states and saw for themselves the horror of slavery and the humanity of the slaves.
It is foolish not to understand that the North owned slaves too and those were the ones that Lincoln did NOT "free" through the Proclamation.
Knew before I clicked that there'd be some triggered "both sides" nonsense in the comment section, and I was not disappointed, lmao.
always one of you people
you trying to both sides argument the civil war is so silly. some northerners were racist sure but they didn't leave the union and start a war over the inability to own another human
@@mike990this comment doesn’t read as ‘both sides’ at all. Recognizing the racism among the north is as natural as recognizing the racism that still exists in society and its systems today.
Both sides *were* racist. And still are.
All we're missing is a surprise appearance by Esoterica! Love this!
Okay, this is worth showing my ignorance. I haven't found a crossover between Atun-Shei and Esoterica. Have they done a video/videos together, or are they linked in some other way? I'd love to see that.
@@SingularityOrbit ua-cam.com/video/Fb5KfTW-GmQ/v-deo.html
@@SingularityOrbitEsoterica hosted Atun Shei for a tasting & discussion of Absinthe and Alester Crowley while in New Orleans (May 12, 2023 episode).
@@SingularityOrbitatun shei also made the worlds wickedwst man in the city of sin which is a crossover
@@drewgoin8849 Ah! There it is! Thank you very much!
What a great, informative and interesting video, both of you are very sympathetic. As a foreigner who is very interested in history, in absolutely every field, I also find the Civil War very important. I also liked your final words on the subject of war and violence, which were very logical and above all important words.
lol, this title.
Also, best reload under pressure scene since 1989's Glory, lol. Well done.
Lmao agreed
PA heat is like desert heat except you're also in the middle of a wet forested area so everything is gross and humid. have fun! :D
Temperate Wetlands is shorthand for 'Swamp where it snows sometimes but still gets above 90 in the summer'.
Pennsylvania is great.
home sweet home
@@ObiwanNekody You think it would be cooler up in the mountains. But uhh.. nope! ;D
Just one thing--muscle memory from training would kick in for veteran troops. Additionally, a lot of troops in the early war, especially from the south, were already well trained as part of a general militia craze, modelled mostly after the French army from the earlier Crimean War in the early 1850s.
I would dispute classifying them as well-trained. They would have been competent at platoon and company level manoeuvres, but their firearms proficiency would actually have been quite lacking. Ammunition was expensive, and firearms training was very rudimentary.
On top of this, you have to remember that the overwhelming majority of the training would have been done by men who were themselves amateurs, often political appointees or local dignitaries, whose abilities would be highly variable. After the war, it was estimated that one-in-four of the soldiers on both sides had never fired their rifle before entering combat for the first time - the standard of training was just that bad.
This is actually why most firefights took place at such close ranges. The thing about the rifled-musket is that you can't just point it and shoot - it has a curving trajectory, which means that you need to have a good understanding of ballistics, distance judgement and windage in order to use it accurately beyond 100 metres. That kind of advanced musketry training simply did not exist in the United States at the time, not even in the regulars.
Pretty much the only units capable of using the rifled-musket at long range were specialists, like Berdan's Sharpshooters - and only then because they maintained very strict entry standards. You had to already be a naturally gifted marksman just to get into one.
@@biggiouschinnus7489 I disagree with your statement that lack of training resulted in close range firefights. Terrain--especially at battlefields like the Wilderness and Shiloh, not to mention Chickamauga, was a superb retardant for long range shooting. You don't shoot at something you can't see. Battlefields like Gettysburg are the exception--not the rule.
I'm struggling to imagine how muscle memory helps when the soldier can't shoot because the last cartridge is stuck in the gun and needs a special wrench to extract it, or when the weapon has become so hot that the area they're supposed to grip is searing their skin as they're trying to aim. Muscle memory speeds up reloading and repositioning to fire, but it doesn't change the times when the weapon doesn't function as intended. The U.S. Army's current rifles include a forward assist purely because soldiers knew how badly a failure to seat a cartridge could make all their marksmanship training irrelevant, and didn't want to take a chance on not having that option.
@@SingularityOrbit for a fouled up weapon-- and Karl didn't mention this-- urine was used when water wasn't available
And the forward assist is a terrible idea anyway.
I love these and i love you for honoring with that tittle specially considering the kind of people sometimes get into gun enthusiasm , a hug to you ❤️❤️❤️
This is one of the very best pieces of material I have encountered on UA-cam that deals with history and firearms in an inter-related contex. Magnificent work indeed. And two marvelous narrators. It was a pleasure just to listen to you two speak. You are both extremely knowledgable about the topic of the conversation and also very natural, relaxed speakers. Once again, magnificent work! I can not commend you enough.
Perfectly timed video, holy shit.
Bro was very, very early
how did you watch this before it came out😭😭
@@arandomuser2378patreon probs, it gives you early access to videos
Perfectly timed to what?
@@cameronnovy3718If ya know, ya know. If ya don't turn on the news.
"General Sherman rewrote the entire fire code of Atlanta, and he never even filed a permit." -- The Well There's Your Problem Podcast.
It's a podcast, about engineering disasters, with slides.
@@loadeddice4696 that is in its self, a disaster
@@loadeddice4696 I do not respect fish /SovietAnthemDrop
Wait, what episode was that? I'd think I'd remember a line like that
Okay, so what's the Venn diagram on viewers of Atun-Shei, InRange, and WTYP? It's got to be a substantial overlap.
One of the things I love about Karl as a firearms enthusiast is that his takes on it are absolutely ones that I can wholeheartedly agree with. Love your collaborations with him, and your research in general.
Exactly, hes a gun historian, but also a humanist
@@therideneverends1697
And don't forget Satanists and a
Communist.
But hey, nowadays that's the norm, so....
Yeah.
@@therideneverends1697
And don't forget Satanists and a
Communist.
But hey, nowadays that's the norm, so....
Yeah.
So glad I found this video just got back from Gettysburg and I am a huge fan of the civil war epic video
“Grant. Get Union Dixie. The TRAP Union Dixie.”
"Oh way down south in the land of traitors..."
@@overcastandhazerattlesnakes and alligators, ride away!
(Ride away!)
@@arandomkobold8403 Come away! (Come away!)
@@cjkelly7536ride away
Love when you two get together!! You have such great historical minds and compliment one another's focuses very well and entertainingly.
Great practical demonstration of advantages/disadvantages of the evolution of the rifles during that period. Thank you.
I never knew the Henry rifle had so many disadvantages as one of the first repeating rifles.
When I joined the army, assistant M60 gunners were issued asbestos gloves for rapid barrel changes. You should have brought one.
Bring an M60? That'd be fun. I got to fire one while in the Navy in a 2010 end of fiscal year gun shoot (perks of being on a ship commissioned in the 70s. The navy is terrible at out-processing old small arms and the armory was loaded with antiques). Also got to fire an M14 on full auto and an M79. Saved the shells and made a set of shotglasses out of them. Everything except rum tastes like ass, but what can you do?
But if you just meant gloves, yeah, that's a good idea too.
I'm from AZ... I still have friends and family in AZ... I can see the angle of the sun. You two are insane and have my mad respect for soldiering through to make this video. My hat is off gentlemen!
I remember reading Rifles for Watie and it wasn't until now that I understand why keeping the Spencers out of the hands of confederate forces was such an important mission.
Glad I'm not the only one who read that book as a kid.
Ironic you brought up that book under a video with this title
That’s a good book
@@Winaskathey'll never catch the facts out here
Let me point out that "Watie" refers to Confederate Brigadier General Stand Watie, a Cherokee Chief. The Five Civilized Tribes were ALL allied with the Confederacy.
"Gettysburg, what an unbelievable battle that was. It was so much, and so interesting, and so vicious and horrible, and so beautiful in so many different ways--it represented such a big portion of the success of this country. Gettysburg, wow--I go to Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, to look and to watch. And the statement of Robert E. Lee, who's no longer in favor--did you ever notice it? He's no longer in favor. 'Never fight uphill, me boys, never fight uphill.' They were fighting uphill, he said, 'Wow, that was a big mistake,' he lost his great general. 'Never fight uphill, me boys,' but it was too late." TFG,WTF
Oh by gods, I remember hearing this...
Like really, Robert "never fight uphill" Lee, the same guy who sent Pickett's firces into an uphill charge...
@@PobortzaPlDon’t forget Lee’s stupid frontal assault on Malvern Hill. Lee did not learn his lesson.
Interesting person who's statement you quoted... lol
Love the moments of 'drill sergeant'. Great vid and really appreciate examining the true cost of these weapons in terms of being the cause of many a family and friend being devastated by the loss of loved ones.
Loved the outro talking about the human element rather than the material, it made me instantly subscribe to InRange.
Hold up and look into what Karl believes first man. He's not a good guy.
@@Shifty-hb4fv
Elaborate.
@@Shifty-hb4fv Eh…he’s cool to me.
@@Shifty-hb4fv I'm seeing labour rights, LGBTQ+ rights, anti-racism, and guns and history. Unless I'm missing something he seems exactly like the kind of guy I'd love to give some time to listening to what he has to say.
@@robertozee5024 UA-cam auto filtering makes it difficult. I'll try in a reply to another dude in this thread
Man, I’ve always been interested in this era of firearms, but there’s not really a good video that goes through them.
Good work!
InRange has LOADS of stuff about this era.
Hi, I just wanted to say I love your videos and your passion for history.
Well researched and produced as always, but the discussion of the human element, the tragedy of violence, and how tech details can sanitize bloodshed took this over the top. Very well done
Dude's! I been waiting for a gun themed collab with you two forever lol
Have you seen their collab about John Brown?
@@r.coburn3344 That was more about the morality of John Brown himself.
Is the 1863 Spencer what the kids mean when they say "no cap"?
Lmao
Oh hell yeah, we're gettin' spoiled today!
Good video. "Unforgiven" is a classic. Great points. Awesome ending and well done. :-)
Good video! It's crazy to think that most weapons of war aren't only shiny, badass artifacts, that they were carried in battle mostly by scared young people and a window into the reality of what they went through
Great video, loved the presentation, and the note you ended on was definitely one that helps remind us of the human element in all this; thank you for sharing
Atun-shei could single-handedly save The History Channel. Great video
OK but consider: Atun-Shei presents HITLER'S SECRET UFO!
No he couldnt. He’s a historically illiterate “fellow white” guy who pushes outright revisionist tripe that no expert in the related field would tolerate. Typical Orwellian Marxist revisionism. Wish I was exaggerating.
The idea that the union was fighting against racism is so obnoxiously hilarious that you’d think it was a right winger making a parody video mocking leftist historical illiteracy. Every gun in the civil war was killing “racists”. As every white man in the war agreed that the white race was superior. The myth that the north loved blacks and diversity and were fighting those yucky southern racists for equality, exists solely in the heads of leftist propagandists and revisionists in the 21st century. Those blue uniforms these two leftists are wearing to “own the racists!”, are the same blue uniforms used by white racists to exterminate American Indians and conquer vast swaths of Mexico in the name of white racial supremacy. Lol.
But because they’re two historically illiterate leftists who want to push some Orwellian revisionism and lay claim to white Christian meme accomplishments in the past. They are oblivious to this.
He's a history revisionist that parades around like he single handedly won the damn war.
Great video. I am working on an operational game of the Gettysburg campaign now -- and rating these cavalry units with their weapons (in melee and dismounted modes) is quite difficult. This video helps! AND... great way to bring it all back to reality at the end of the video. I salute you for that.
I'm glad Andy made it out to Arizona. Always a great time when you two are together!
Another Atun-shei and InRangeTV collab! Today is a great day!!!!
I pity the men who served during this transitional time in human history. We were quickly moving towards the modern era, yet during this war the medical attention soldiers received was lacking. The bloodiest war in our history of conflict.
Lacking is putting it lightly, at times it was borderline sadistic!
The advancement in weapons, in a messed up way. Forced the advancement of medicine.
In the 1950's, when I was young I would go over to my uncle's home and my aunt would let me play outside with the Burnside rifle that they kept in the back entry way. It felt very heavy to me because of my young age. I fought many a battle with it.
Seen some of those at Civil War museums here in Missouri, a part of the war that is rarely talked about in history, or by people who look only in the east or south, not here in the Midwest.
I'm not a civil war expert, or for that matter, from the US, but I guess the lack of recognition that the hard fought, brutal and very consequential Missouri theater has in mainstream discourse might have to do with the fact it was embarrasing for both sides, for very different reasons. For the Union, it kinda brings out the indiscriminate brutality of the Red Leg/Jayhawk element, which is very aptly and briefly described in Atun Shei's review of Josie Wales. For the Confederates, although you might think they would like playing the victim on that one, the fact is that Confederate actions in Missouri had very little of the gallantry and ultimately doomed tactical genius or whatever they were mythologizing, and instead a lot of outlaw/bandit activity, which the Lost Cause was trying to define against, as it was the perception of the former Confederates at the end of the conflict - rebels, outlaws-. The fact the most famous ex Confederate combatant in that theater was one Jesse James is far far outside the Stonewall/Lee mythos. So that would be my honest guess.
1999 film "Ride With the Devil" is an underrated film that shows the brutality of inner-Civil War strife in the state Missouri. Missouri was probably one of if not the worst border states to ever be in during the Civil War. A state that wasn't safe to declare you allegiance to either the Union or the Confederacy. Doing so, well you would receive a violent welcome from a Missouri Bushwhacker or a Kansas Jayhawker. I don't know if Atun Shei did a movie review on RWTD.
@@spenceramey406 "Ride with the Devil" is a classic in my book. They got the history correct, for the most part, as well as costuming, weapons, dialects, sets, etc. He even got his hands on a new Henery at the end.
Yes, there seems to be an element of the-less-said-about-this-
the-better regarding Missouri in Civil War history.
@@franciscocalderara1500 Face it, the Trans-Mississippi theater had little in the way of gallantry nor tactics exhibited by either side. It was simply an extension of Bleeding Kansas violence except the belligerents could pretend that their atrocities were sanctioned by Washington or Richmond respectively.
Man I always love your videos and it is very nice see a new video when you upload them I hope you have been doing well atun shei
As the descendant of a Pennsylvania Infantry Colonel & an Illinois Cavalry Sergeant, you’ve received my approval. 👍👍
One of my ancestors may have served under your Colonel forefather. He too was from Pennsylvania, & died at Gettysburg.
@@grantgarrod2232, was he in the 4th PA Cavalry or the 211th PA Infantry?
@@Thespian821, We only know that he was infantry. He'd come to the US from Canada with only his young son, & he left the boy in the care of a family of Pennsylvania Dutch farmers, & never returned, so the only details known are from the boy's memories. Some time later, a man visited the farm who had been his buddy & served in the regiment with him. He said he saw him shortly before they went into battle, but never after, so he'd hoped he'd been wounded & discharged, & came to see him. But since he hadn't returned, he was sure he'd died in the battle. The boy later ran away from the farm at fifteen , made his way to the Midwest, & became one of my forefathers.
"It wasn't about slavery, it was about state's rights!"
My response:
Pretty sure it was about states' rights? To maintain slavery.
@@LosBerkos The South had every right to leave the Union. End of story.
@@erichartmann815cope loser
@@erichartmann815For the Confederacy you mean...
@@erichartmann815You poor soul
Your collabs with inrange are great, hope to keep seeing them
No Dirty Dozen or Hateful Eight on InRange, but they’re firmly amongst the Honorable Handful.
Nah bro, Kasada is literally a Satanist
46 seconds in, civil war guns and a dune reference. This could potentially be the most perfect youtube video.
update: yes it was the perfect video.
A great video for a rainy day here in NOLA. It really reminded me of learning to shoot as a wee thing and learning to handle carbines for reenacting. I didn't know about Burnside dreaming up the ideal rifle, though I had heard about Burnside's deadly ice cream cones. Thanks for putting the human context in at the end -- military history often needs the social turn, and you never disappoint there.
Cool! The guns of this era are so fascinating!
I was hoping they would have covered the Sharps rifle/carbine since it was a trap door weapon that was used by a the Sharpshooters, cavalry, Pennsylvania Bucktails, and a few others.
We were thinking about it, but Karl already made a Sharps video during our John Brown collab
After watching this video, I better understand why so many mounted infantry folks wore gloves.
@@drewgoin8849 At least on one hand, ala Michael Jackson 😳
@@oregonoutback7779"Hee Hee!" 🧑🦯🚶🧑🦯🧑🦯🚶
Watching him struggle with those firearms, and Karl's aside glance made this more comical than I'm sure it was meant to be.
Also, you do not want to see how bad it got for the Confederates in terms of firearms, just saying.
I can only imagine how nerve-wracking reloading one of these guns during a battle would be.
Understanding military procurement a bit, I think cost probably also factored into the continued use of outdated technology. That was true in the British Army, who used the Long Land Pattern musket for over 100 years. ...or the Thompson SMG that only saw limited use in WW2, due to cost.
0:42 Note to self: Don't drink coffee while watching Atun Shei collabs.
Just don't watch his garbage, period.
@starcoloneldunadansonoft501 Hey snowflake, had somebody hurt your feelings about Confederacy?
@@starcoloneldunadansonoft501 Got a response video ready?
@ravenoferin500 if that video is going to be made it would probably have a lot of improperly used words, like "socialist", "liberal", "communist" and of course "anarchy" in places where one would expect word "chaos"
Fun fact: the guy who wrote the music to the Canadian national anthem was a French-Canadian guy named Calixa Lavallée who fought for the Union in the Fourth Rhode Island Regiment as first cornet and was wounded at Antietam.
Interesting
That’s very close to me last name- Lavallee - I have relatives in northern Vermont and my Dad went to seminary in Montreal
Damn that’s interesting! Never knew that. I love any Canadian connection I can find.
Thanks Calixa, thanks Canada.
This is great guys.
Thanks, Santee and hello!
“Whether they were on the right side or the wrong side, everyone who died was someone’s son, or daughter, or husband…”
NGL. That hit way harder than I expected it would.
There's a graveyard on an island in Estonia. On one side are all the Russians who were cut off there in '41, listed on slabs on huge blocks over their shared graves. The rest of the field is simple stone markers for the graves of Germans who were cut off there in '44. At first, those graves don't look all that numerous, but some have four or five names per stone and I found one that simply said: "eight unknown German soldiers." In the middle of the field are upright slabs listing the German soldiers whose last known locations were somewhere on that island. Some of them are under stones bearing their names, but that's an awfully long list of mothers who never knew where to lay a flower.
@@goldenhawk352 Not everyone was "racist" during those times. That goes for Union and Confederacy.
@@goldenhawk352 But only one side was fighting to preserve a racist way of life. The “good people on both sides” argument doesn’t absolve those who fought for a morally bankrupt cause.
@@goldenhawk352 How about you explain why you think that question is in any way relevant?
@@goldenhawk352 Joining a government dedicated to the preservation of slavery doesn't count as immoral if you don't mention that part? FAIL. ⛔
Next video in this series should be : The Guns that Killed Racists in the 1940s.
And who was the racist?
So...SVT-40, Hanyang 88, Chang Kai-Shek rifle, Lee-Enfield, MAS-36, and Mosin-Nagant?
@@darrinrentruc6614 ADOLF HITLER
@@darrinrentruc6614Guess who
So basically every gun in WW2 LOL
9:16 Thats exactly the facial expression i imagine my drill instructor having with me back when i entered Military service
References in the description, y'all are good
Cavalry gloves would've made the Henry a bit more bearable
The Henry barrel gets very hot after 25 rounds and you must use a glove. Look at original pictures and often you see the gun holder has a glove in the picture. The 1866 “Yellow Boy” Or Winchester 66 has a wood covering the lower part of the barrel… so no glove needed. I own one, lighter than 1860 Henry but slower to load with the Kings Gate side loading. They sold 10x more 1866 vs 1860 Henry’s (144,000 vs 14,000).
The Dune music in the opening got me, I won't lie. 🤣🤣
Those hats look like they are very helpful and shady!
This makes me very happy. I love you both respectively but TOGETHER?? Always a treat and I learn so much. Keep up the exceptional work both of you.
You think talking about historical rifles is going to get me to watch? Considering I grew up on tales of the gun, you're damn right I will!
Also might be fun to talk about confederate rifles as well.
They just had the scavenged Pattern 1861 Springfield and Pattern 1853 Enfield imported from Britain. Not much to speak of.
You should do a video on the guns of the fur trade, where fur companies like the Hudson Bay Company had a scale on how many beaver pelts could buy you a gun and a certain number could buy you a gun with either a 3 foot or 4 foot barrel and how many beaver pelts could get you so much black powder or flints. The gun trade really started after a battle about an hour from where I am in Ticonderoga in 1609 where Samuel de Champlain, allied to the Wyendot opened fire on Mohawk warriors with only 3 matchlock muskets and killed three Mohawk warriors. The Mohawk, who at the time fought in wooden armor completely ditched their way of fighting, proceeded to head to what is now Albany (then Dutch Fort Orange) and began trading for guns of their own. Soon the Dutch, French & British were making and marketing guns to Native Americans (the serpent on the left side of the British trade guns looked like a deity to many tribes, including my ancestors, who are Mohawk. The guns were then turned on the British later during Pontiac's Rebellion when Jeffrey Amherst tried to limit how much powder Native Americans were allowed to have, the first instance of gun control on the continent.
Wasn't gun trade with Indians forbiden?
@@WielkaStopa-qh1rr
Money will make people look the other way in lots of cases.
the 1st Vermont Cavalry had sharps carbines and Savage pistols. The Savage was so flawed two vermonters died from Savage pistol incidents before any rebs did.
This reminds me of how Im pretty uninterested in contemporary fire arms and have never really cared about owning them or studying them but I am fascinated by historical weapons. Notably from the mid 20th century and going backwards in time like to the world wars, late 18th century, and Civil War eras
Proud to say Burnside was also a Rhode Islander.
Also, focus on material culture in war may be why so many have tried to invent "the weapon so horrific as to end war" (the Gatling gun is period appropriate example) but have only made war more destructive. To quote General William T. Sherman, "War is hell."