Jason Todd Refuses To Be Mean To Batman!?

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  • @Ethan_Wheeler
    @Ethan_Wheeler 5 місяців тому +6617

    I mean, Alfred is the only other person who has no problems using guns and using lethal force and as a Veteran he has likely killed before so if there was anybody in the bat family who can see exactly where Jason is coming from it's Alfred because if Alfred comes across the Joker or most of the other Gotham Villains, he's definitely getting the shotgun to make sure they'll never hurt his family ever again

    • @AugustoEL
      @AugustoEL 5 місяців тому +599

      The legendary panel of Alfred loading a shotgun ready to put Booster Gold and Herley down for enteting the batcave (he did not know exactly why they were there but he was ready)
      Or also his dream of killing the Joker with a shotgun straight to the face.

    • @Ethan_Wheeler
      @Ethan_Wheeler 5 місяців тому +235

      @@AugustoEL Exactly so if there's any in the Batfam who'd truly be sympathetic to Jason, It'd be Alfred

    • @reignick1133
      @reignick1133 5 місяців тому +192

      Given the Fact that Alfred's original background ( before Retcons) was that he was one of the most experienced spies and commandos of the O.S.S. in WW2? Alfred probably has a MUCH higher bodycount than Tim Drake could ever even think of.
      Alfred wasn't busting up or even putting down simple hoodlums, He was straight up viciously MURDERING National Socialists as a part of the War effort for Queen & Country. That was the pivotal moment of his life which shaped him and why Thomas Wayne Hired and trusted him so.

    • @frederickdawson2253
      @frederickdawson2253 5 місяців тому +83

      I think there was a comic where Alfred was beating the Joker to death and they panned out and Alfred was having his favorite dream.

    • @AugustoEL
      @AugustoEL 5 місяців тому +40

      @@reignick1133 in other words. Yeah he is a trained soldier/spy that has more experience that you would think and more tgan likely has put more people underground that anyone would like to know.

  • @Stumbo99
    @Stumbo99 5 місяців тому +2232

    Big ups to jason here, he had the decency to not pile onto bruce while he's grieving (unlike Barbara). Says his remembrance, tells Bruce "hey, grieve now but when you're done you need to get your shit together", and leaves

    • @KingInBlack69
      @KingInBlack69 5 місяців тому +11

      He shouldn’t have bothered

    • @user-gf9vb7wj4v
      @user-gf9vb7wj4v 5 місяців тому

      ​@@KingInBlack69Its his Grandfathers fucken funeral bruh, that is the dumbest excuse for not even going to the funeral of someone who always loved you as family and not the mask you put on.

    • @herke7237
      @herke7237 5 місяців тому +12

      Why not? ​@@KingInBlack69

    • @joshuarobinson6011
      @joshuarobinson6011 5 місяців тому +97

      Honestly it feels weird that Barbara was the angry one and Jason was the rational one 💀

    • @DavidSanchez-kr1nf
      @DavidSanchez-kr1nf 5 місяців тому +81

      @@joshuarobinson6011yea, people tend to do weird things when they grieve

  • @Mr_Muda_Himself
    @Mr_Muda_Himself 5 місяців тому +7623

    Grandparents will always look after their grand children even if their parents fuck them up big time

    • @Necroverse19
      @Necroverse19 5 місяців тому +150

      By the time Bruce met him, Jason was already too far gone. Not so far gone that he couldn't be redeemed, but it wasn't like he was dealing with another Dick, who had loving parents and a good life before tragedy.

    • @amogus1415
      @amogus1415 5 місяців тому +34

      Kid named Thomas Wayne after torturing his grandson🌚🌚

    • @ploppyjr2373
      @ploppyjr2373 5 місяців тому +12

      Yea no

    • @AstraFulminous
      @AstraFulminous 5 місяців тому +5

      okay i get it now

    • @barmacidic2257
      @barmacidic2257 5 місяців тому +33

      Good ones, sure.
      But there are shitty grandparents. They do exist.

  • @hanspeter-zl3cr
    @hanspeter-zl3cr 5 місяців тому +1989

    damn jason really be lookin like matt murdock from the netflix series

    • @dekeking9416
      @dekeking9416 5 місяців тому +49

      I said the same thing

    • @JayCross454
      @JayCross454 5 місяців тому +34

      Cleans up real good, doesn't he 😊

    • @arymona
      @arymona 5 місяців тому +7

      i was literally about to comment the same thing

    • @aojorel
      @aojorel 5 місяців тому +8

      I’m glad I’m not the only one who is thinking it

    • @haroldnecmann7040
      @haroldnecmann7040 4 місяці тому +2

      Is matt Mugdock a new Robin?😮

  • @iminyourwallz420
    @iminyourwallz420 5 місяців тому +3090

    > attends funeral of deceased grandparental figure, even when he was forbidden from doing so, though he respects the others and stays behind
    > follows them to a bar to celebrate the memory of Alfred
    > watches as Bruce is blamed for something he couldn’t control
    > raises his glass, pouring one for Alfred, and tells some fond memories of him
    > doesn’t pin the blame on Bruce, unlike others (looking at you, babs)
    > tells him is okay to grieve and mourn his loss, but that he needs to not let this destroy his life completely
    > elaborates enough
    > leaves
    I used to like Jason a lot, but now I think I like him even more

    • @joshuarobinson6011
      @joshuarobinson6011 5 місяців тому +318

      Jason’s growing from the angry person he’s always been to a relatively well adjusted person given all the shit he’s been through

    • @iminyourwallz420
      @iminyourwallz420 5 місяців тому +249

      @@joshuarobinson6011 Jason character development in this comic is insane. I wish they don't retcon this ever and turn him back to a villain again just because yes

    • @renansantos6533
      @renansantos6533 5 місяців тому +89

      Jason is Awesome. His development is really good. For an angry person full of issues to a hothead with a heart of Gold lol

    • @lastguardianofthedyinglight
      @lastguardianofthedyinglight 5 місяців тому +104

      Alfred's death was a huge mistake by DC, especially the way it happened. But the way they show the Robins dealing with that pain is good. Damien's constant self hatred stemming from the fact that he caused this, Dick trying to do all the good he can from everything he can, Jason trying to be a better person than not just himself but everyone else in the room, Barbara blaming Bruce and being more frustrated about failure than sad about loss. All except Tim (maybe I missed a few comics) because apparently, no one at DC likes him (they might even get him killed by Zur Enn Arh next month - who knows).

    • @renansantos6533
      @renansantos6533 5 місяців тому +12

      @@lastguardianofthedyinglight It's been awhile since i read a Batman comics, is Alfred still dead?

  • @huntercool2232
    @huntercool2232 5 місяців тому +228

    Jason: **walks in**
    Bruce: “Come to gloat?”
    Jason: “No… I loved him too.”
    **both hug**

  • @notthefbi7015
    @notthefbi7015 5 місяців тому +913

    I'm legitimately tired of the batfamily drama. When Jason was initially brought back Bruce was remorseful for everything that happened. This constant need to make Batman is the stubborn, paranoid, rigid, and frankly overly violent asshole that everyone since Frank Miller has decided he is, is getting real old. Yeah Batman was always rough and intimidating, but he never was violent unless he was attacked or cruel. He was sympathetic to the problems his villains had, and had a genuine desire to help the city, as seen in his numerous public works and charity projects. We never really see any of this anymore, its now just a contest of lets see how fucked up and edgy we can make batman without having him kill anyone.

    • @zackdelarosa14
      @zackdelarosa14 5 місяців тому +108

      Like the BMTAM series Batman was a good balance some of the scarring was there but mostly empathized with certain villains just wanting them to have changed instead of their villainy

    • @AoiLucine
      @AoiLucine 5 місяців тому +193

      If your Batman wouldn't sit with a dying child to help them feel less alone, you're not writing Batman right, you know?

    • @Rengokuo4o6
      @Rengokuo4o6 5 місяців тому +32

      Frank miller's Batman isn't even that Bad though. Allstar Batman sure but the dark knight returns was cool.

    • @B0110CK5
      @B0110CK5 5 місяців тому +41

      It's hard to write for characters who have deep seeded trauma. Most people (writers) don't get it, but some do. That's the magic of comic books: there's just as many stories of Batman being empathetic than there are him being a moody douche with no redeeming qualities.
      If you have the stomach for it, Night Cries is a really good read (Child abuse warning though). Night Cries explores a side of Bruce that he hides the most from EVERYONE, his vulnerability and anger towards the death of his parents.
      Batman isn't the Punisher, they both have trauma but how Bruce internalizes it is a lot different from Frank because Bruce was just a child when he lost his parents. Loss affects everyone but when you're a kid it hits you even harder because you're not a fully developed adult. It's confusing, scary and frustrating. How they (Batman/Punisher) use their pain is similar but Batman taps into those feeling of confusion, intimidation and anger to try and change the world around him because he still believes the world can be changed. If he didn't believe the world could still change then he'd just be Frank Castle or Flashpoint Batman.

    • @Dunge0n
      @Dunge0n 5 місяців тому +41

      Couldn't have said it better myself. There were two times where Bruce and Jason reconciled their differences. Both were written well. Both were destroyed by other writers for the sake of making Bruce crueller to Jason than the Joker, for more abusive drama.

  • @jim-bob3093
    @jim-bob3093 5 місяців тому +735

    Oh, look, Jason is the only family member showing any empathy again to the respect of no one in the fam. Shocker.

    • @dcworld4349
      @dcworld4349 3 місяці тому +5

      I can understand that it is hard for them to know where they stand with him because whenever a new writer comes on he tends to revert. It is sort of like how we have been in a period since Tom King took over where every writer wants to not just have Bruce loose and need to find a way to come back from it. They want to break him down completely.
      I kind feel more bad for him regarding the letter between him and Barbara. Not that I have ever thought about them as a couple. Although if they have to do a love triangle I prefer that over Bruce being involved cause gross.
      I thought it was actually a nice touch to reveal that Jason has had feelings for her all this time. But out of respect didn't do anything about it. He went for a desperate kiss when he had the breakdown, so since he lost control over his emotions for a second. Cat was kind of out of the bag so he decided to shoot his shot with the letter. And because she didn't get it him giving her the out of not having to talk about it and would respect it if she never mentioned it. Because he doesn't want her to feel burden to reply if she doesn't feel the same way. Hard not to feel bad for him when out of everyone in the family. Despite us having seen them take breaks. He probably could leave the life behind and bury red hood for good if it meant finally having a normal life. Something he didn't have even as a kid before his dad died. But if he doesn't have anything else he's not going to give away the only purpose he has left.

    • @jim-bob3093
      @jim-bob3093 3 місяці тому +11

      @dcworld4349 oh i despise Babs×Jason in its bones, haha. Its got that "preteen has a crush on his big brothers girlfriend" cringe, save instead of growing out of it he held onto the torch. Its like BruBabs all over again and gives me the ick personally. I think them being platonic would have been so much better in their trauma bonding.
      Personally, id like a proper moral deconstruction of Jasons utrh philosophy in a solid storyline, for him to stop killing. Rather than it being that a girlfriend fixes him route. But DC wasted that potentially fantastic storyline for a cheap character assassination. Argh, suffering!

    • @dcworld4349
      @dcworld4349 3 місяці тому +3

      @@jim-bob3093 I never would have wanted them to go through with a relationship. And while the ages in the Batfamily makes no sense and I'm sure if you looked up a wiki list it would say that Jason is older. But Barbara should technically be older than Jason since she was already Batgirl when he became Robin at around 13.
      It's not difficult to imagine that in the 2 years leading up to his death. He got a crush in an environment where he is regularly close to death and she's the only girl that could remotely understand what that life was like. And unlike Bruce in the Timm-verse who should really know better, they didn't go through with it. Not to mention a teenage boy having a crush on a beautiful older girl, it is not exactly shocking. A guy in this mid 30s sleeping with someone he has known since she was a kid... I think Timm wrote both version of that relationship with only one hand. It would have been terrible if it had gone any further than the kiss and I'm glad she didn't get the letter, or if she had gotten it I wouldn't have wanted her to start going out with him.
      I actually think handling it the way that they did was the best thing for everyone. Because even though a writer could decide to pick up the thread if they for some strange reason would want to do it. But I almost saw that moment as editorial slamming the book on it never happening. They had a moment, and Jason gets to move on even though it's not for the reason he thinks.
      In so far as Jason having a storyline where he stops killing. Three Jokers was never the story to do that in. In a story where there are disposable Jokers asking Jason to not kill one of them would be like asking Batman to not punch the Joker and just have him very carefully and calmly place cuffs on him while giving him a fluffy pillow to sit on during the ride back to Arkham.
      Granted I didn't read it myself I only heard it being talked about in a podcast. But wasn't there a storyline a while back where Jason was just with Roy, or maybe Roy and Bizarro and he didn't kill? Until a new writer came in and he was reset back to square one the same way Damian starts every story acting like a spoiled brat and then learns to behave. And then does the same thing all over again.

  • @P.W.N.ed_9000
    @P.W.N.ed_9000 5 місяців тому +2786

    Can bruce just have one timeline where everything goes good for him?
    I mean this the era of killing Batman and everyone he loves.
    Im beginning to think they are hiving him the Spider-Man treatment from DC

    • @LordePhantom
      @LordePhantom 5 місяців тому +117

      Yeah Bruce needs that rest

    • @johnynoway9127
      @johnynoway9127 5 місяців тому +63

      nah...he kinda deserves it for letting Joker off the hook so many times.
      no sympathy for a murderer.

    • @Tores444
      @Tores444 5 місяців тому

      ​@johnynoway9127 such a retarded point of view to have on this subject😂

    • @dannyc4550
      @dannyc4550 5 місяців тому +323

      @@johnynoway9127 If that's the case then you should blame the Gotham Justice system. Batman isn't Judge, Jury, or Executioner; he simply brings them in.

    • @johnynoway9127
      @johnynoway9127 5 місяців тому

      @@dannyc4550 yea no thats bs excuse.
      He KNOWS the justice system is sht and still just captures these monsters that kill like ....100s of people weekly.
      Jason has proven that the whole no kill rule is total bogus too.
      And no it doesnt make sense that if he starts kiling then hes just gona turn psycho.

  • @MRRED-bk5hb
    @MRRED-bk5hb 5 місяців тому +193

    Bruce: why is there scratches on the batmobile
    Alfred: I haven't the slightest master Bruce

    • @jaye4157
      @jaye4157 3 місяці тому +12

      Also alfred: and you'll never find them all master Bruce. *proceeds to walk off with a shotgun*

  • @dixienormas1627
    @dixienormas1627 5 місяців тому +581

    Batman beef with the bat family is starting to get really old and lame

    • @eueu8219
      @eueu8219 5 місяців тому +133

      And that's why the batfsmily adventures webtoon is superior

    • @coltonwilliams4153
      @coltonwilliams4153 5 місяців тому

      @@eueu8219 I’ll be honest. That WEBTOON is my happy place. Now, if only we could get the same treatment for Peter.

    • @davidinass
      @davidinass 5 місяців тому +23

      ​@@eueu8219 agreed

    • @DEADGrey-fm8js
      @DEADGrey-fm8js 5 місяців тому +4

      @@eueu8219please stop😂💀

    • @joshuahall1581
      @joshuahall1581 5 місяців тому +10

      @@eueu8219 Nah...I take OG Winick Jason anyday. Battle of the Cowl is better than webtoons.

  • @Corey_Tenderson
    @Corey_Tenderson 5 місяців тому +69

    Even in the comics, it’s acknowledged that people think Jason is going to be the most hardheaded and non-neutral. But the truth is, there are many instances of him defying expectations and being a mature figure in these sorts of situations.
    Another good example is during The Rise and Fall of the Batmen, when Batwoman kills Clayface, who had been working with the Bat-Family and trying to become better, but was manipulated to become unstable and dangerous by a group called the Victim Syndicate. She killed Clayface because she saw no other choice and feared for Cassandra Cain’s safety, but Batman and most of the others were not happy. In the aftermath, Batman called a meeting with the biggest members of the Batfamily(Tim, Dick, Barbara, Damian, and Jason) to consider what to do about Batwoman. Everyone said their honest and most unbiased thoughts on the situation, and of course, when it was Jason’s turn, the reader, and probably the bat-family, were expecting a very pro-Batwoman take. But he doesn’t do that. He acknowledges that they were expecting that, but instead talks about how he used to kill people, but in order to regain a place in the family, he decided to respect Bruce’s rule and adhere to it more. And even though he had killed, he was accepted back. So, rather than advocate for Kate because “She killed a dangerous criminal”, he says that she shouldn’t have done it, but doesn’t deserve to be judged in secret and banished from the family.
    So yes, Jason can be strongly opinionated, but it’s mostly when it has to do with him and his actions. He is still a reasonable person in times like this one and the one I mentioned.

    • @demonic_myst4503
      @demonic_myst4503 3 місяці тому +3

      To be fair isnt alot of his more agressive side just a side effect of the way he was resurrected so the calmer logical side is likely his true personality

  • @AnthonyTheMVP
    @AnthonyTheMVP 4 місяці тому +97

    This is why Jason Todd is my favorite out of the whole family.

    • @gabrielle_S
      @gabrielle_S 3 місяці тому +2

      @@AnthonyTheMVP same

  • @SebDystic
    @SebDystic 5 місяців тому +71

    Alfred: “master Jason have you eaten?”
    Jason: “no not in the last 7 hours-“
    *bat mobile smashes through the building*
    Alfred: “I came as soon I could! I can’t let of my sons starving!”

    • @corncobbob2326
      @corncobbob2326 2 дні тому

      This is so fitting I remember a comic panel of him on a rooftop having a paper bag with a sandwich in it for one of the Robins.

  • @wack6303
    @wack6303 4 місяці тому +151

    What right would any of them have to tell Jason not to come to alfreds funeral

    • @SabeNo-rh7mb
      @SabeNo-rh7mb 4 місяці тому +40

      Hypocrites.

    • @sleepy8695
      @sleepy8695 4 місяці тому +6

      Every right lol he almost always starts something no matter the time or place it's simply who he is but he was being the bigger man this time I won't lie I'm proud of my boy

    • @mode4801
      @mode4801 4 місяці тому +20

      Wasn't he legally dead at the time?
      At least this is what I remember: They didn't want to cause a scandal if suddenly the deceased Jason Todd turned up alive.

    • @JowoeBunchaNumbers
      @JowoeBunchaNumbers День тому +1

      ​@@sleepy8695 I feel like being killed and replaced gives you a certain amount of justification to be aggressive

  • @Daniel-yg7fp
    @Daniel-yg7fp 4 місяці тому +96

    Imagine being so hated by the family that they told you to not go to the funeral of the guy who actually helped him though the bad moments of his life Jason deserved better he went through more than any person in the bat family they don’t get him so they hate him

    • @Jackieeeisvibing
      @Jackieeeisvibing 18 днів тому +2

      Another sad thing is that Jason and Alfred share the exact same birthday

  • @christophermichael5764
    @christophermichael5764 4 місяці тому +44

    Jason deserves his 15 YEARS of fame in the DCEU. This has the potential to be one of the most complex and best stories in comic history.

    • @Indigo_1001
      @Indigo_1001 4 місяці тому +3

      What is so complex about it?
      They can’t make stories with Red Hood because his whole point his that he kills people and they can have him kill popular villains

    • @kantovagrant3194
      @kantovagrant3194 3 місяці тому

      ​@@Indigo_1001 Thats the reason why he can't have any dynamic stories anymore. Like, what are they supposed to do with him after he gets redeemed? Turn him into generic superhero #3456?

  • @TheArklyte
    @TheArklyte 5 місяців тому +130

    It's weird how Jason is portrayed as the one, who is most alike to Bruce despite how one would assume that they should be the most distant ones in the family.

    • @legoben98productions
      @legoben98productions 5 місяців тому +24

      Jason has experience pain and loss too, and knows Bruce to the point of what he’d say. So Jason acknowledges that Bruce lost the same person who took care of him, but will let him know that Bruce needed to step up soon

    • @thequestion7177
      @thequestion7177 5 місяців тому +8

      I wouldn't call it weird, jason is the closest to normal among the bat family

    • @slickchick5811
      @slickchick5811 5 місяців тому +4

      they have always been most similar

    • @gavinjohnson6472
      @gavinjohnson6472 5 місяців тому +23

      Jason has always been the closest to Bruce in that he needs this. Dick, Tim and Barbara don't need to be heroes. They could and often have had stretches of just living normal lives. Bruce and Jason don't have a retirement. Honestly the only difference to them is Bruce pushes his trauma though "Ideals" and Jason through "Truths". Batman tries to live to the ideal, no killing, rehabilitation, not crossing the line. The Redhood lives to the truth that not everyone can be fixed, sometimes you have to cross the line to get things done. This key difference is what makes their relationship interesting because what does Bruce do when Jason is right, there was no other way? What does Jason do when Bruce is right, it could have been solved without taking a life?

    • @drakegrandx5914
      @drakegrandx5914 4 місяці тому +5

      @@gavinjohnson6472 The last two lines spell it out so perfectly!

  • @Yibambe.
    @Yibambe. 5 місяців тому +114

    Bruce is not Jason’s “surrogate father.” He’s his father. Jason was the first kid that Bruce legally adopted. I really hate the whole bringing back the dead Jason thing, just as much as I hated killing him in the first place, but I hate it even more when people try to delegitimize adoption and make it seem less legit biological parenthood.

    • @dantesparrow9903
      @dantesparrow9903 5 місяців тому +4

      I thought Dick Grayson was the first legally adopted

    • @zwordsman
      @zwordsman 5 місяців тому +12

      Off hand. in the modern continuty I don't think of Bruce as his dad. I think Alfred really is Jason's true dad in this situation. Bruce is on paper. Alfred is by choice. Bruce is doing better (but of course batman can't be hapy or nice for some reason so the writers always back track on the progress)
      but yakno Alfredi s everyones real dad in the end. By choice and by love.

    • @scarymeunster9095
      @scarymeunster9095 5 місяців тому +8

      If you think of adoption as nothing more than a shoddy slip of paper at the government office, you’re a disgrace. I’ll honor that scrap or not if I damn well please.
      Bruce may have the certificate, but he is _not_ his father. He’s never acted like it since Jason died, and anyone who would disown their “son” over a moral dispute isn’t meant to be a real parent - just like Batman. Bruce Wayne is not a father to any of them in the capacity a real parent should be, and for one reason : Alfred Pennyworth is the one who actually steps up and _loves_ those children. He was their father. Bruce was their guardian.

    • @undeade.t7044
      @undeade.t7044 5 місяців тому +1

      Jason dying , coming back to life and becoming red hood was the best thing for his character because when he was robin he was just a boring carbon copy of Dick he even had the same backstory as Dick

    • @gavinjohnson6472
      @gavinjohnson6472 5 місяців тому +13

      @@undeade.t7044 Not true, Jason was very different from Dick. Dick was an orphaned son of acrobats, Jason was a kid living on the street because his father was in jail and his mother was a drug addict. Bruce took in Dick because he saw in him the similar pain of losing both parents. Bruce took in Jason because at 11 he stole the wheels off the Batmobile without setting off the alarm, an impressive feat and a sign that with those type of skills he would probably be a dangerous villain if left alone or a great hero if he took him under his wing. People disliking Jason's more aggressive, sharp edged take on robin and not being like Dick is why they killed him the first time. Which was a mistake because apparently it was just a very vocal minority that disliked him as robin.

  • @LordePhantom
    @LordePhantom 5 місяців тому +295

    Let's be fair here a bit, Bruce has always knew at some point the Bat and the Bruce would cross and it would hit home. He just didn't plan it would be this way, that a version of his father would order the kill of his surrogate father. Not only that but the image of Thomas he has is tainted because he realized that his father is a monster in another universe who would do this and not blink twoce about it. The man lost 2 fathers in one lifetime, yes he needs to steo up but he also needs to be seen through this lense

  • @theworldaccordingtotruth4109
    @theworldaccordingtotruth4109 5 місяців тому +74

    Exactly why Jason is the best

  • @itzkido
    @itzkido 4 місяці тому +25

    Ngl jason with round glasses look dope as fuck

    • @NateGrey295
      @NateGrey295 3 місяці тому

      He looks exactly like Superboy from the 90s.

  • @tommym6844
    @tommym6844 5 місяців тому +57

    That's not Jason Todd. That's Matt Murdock

    • @kwayneboy1524
      @kwayneboy1524 5 місяців тому +9

      Much like Matt I don't see it.

  • @Fate263
    @Fate263 4 місяці тому +34

    That was oddly chill of Jason. He's right, though.

    • @JoshMC2000
      @JoshMC2000 3 місяці тому +4

      Jason was originally shown to be very cram and calculated until Scott Lobdell took over righting duets. I honestly hate how everyone is like. red hoods the angry one right.
      no he only got angry at the end of under the hood because Bruce got under his skin during the fight just as much as he did Bruce. but when the fighting stopped he was carm again.
      I also like the fact that his written to have a mutual respect for Bruce here. its what they should always have. I mean do they agree on everything hell no but Jason never Hated Bruce. He hates Joker and the seeming revolving door there life was but never Bruce himself.
      Like wise Bruce hates some of Jason's methods but not Jason himself

  • @rokgaming2679
    @rokgaming2679 5 місяців тому +109

    Amazing video one of your best short series yet. Jason deserves alot of credit and has done alot to get some respect from his family.

  • @lordfury18
    @lordfury18 5 місяців тому +109

    said it before and imma say it again, bat fam have no right to judge jason, especially after the shit he went through, the fact Alfred is the only one to look out for him breaks my heart

  • @munanchoinc
    @munanchoinc 5 місяців тому +12

    Alfred and Jason would honestly be the most deadliest Vigilantes in the series if they were let off with no one stopping them. They would probably kill the Joker in a week.

  • @_The_Traveler_
    @_The_Traveler_ 5 місяців тому +15

    Jason knows what it feels like to be alienated by people you love. That's the last thing he wants to make Bruce feel at a time like this, it's just not humane.
    On a tangential note, this whole thing where we obliterate the legacy of Batman over different filmmaker's/writer's skewed interpretations of him as some rich psychopath who loves violence is tragic in a really poetic way.
    What Harvey Dent said is didactic, it's true within his canon and true of this world: _"You either die the hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."_

  • @kieranadamson3224
    @kieranadamson3224 5 місяців тому +130

    Okay, maybe it's just because I don't read comics. But is it just me or is it an GINORMOUS dick move for them to just tell Jason "yeah, don't come to Alfred's funeral. You aren't welcome." Bastards the lot of them.

    • @darrylferguson3622
      @darrylferguson3622 5 місяців тому +96

      On one hand, they didn't want to risk him brawling with Bruce at Alfred's funeral of all places.
      On the other hand, they of all people should know that Jason cared about Alfred enough to not ruin his funeral, so.... yeah, it was a dick move

    • @DEADGrey-fm8js
      @DEADGrey-fm8js 5 місяців тому +22

      I just assumed it was because he is legally dead or something

    • @HowlingDoom
      @HowlingDoom 5 місяців тому +21

      Yeah idk why he was told to not attend. I kinda wish Dan explained it, because even reading the panel snippets, it's not explained in what I could read. He snuck in but none of the bat family seems upset he was there. Was he told not to come to avoid possible conflicts with Bruce or because of other matters like him not technically being alive?

    • @Kyle-vq9bx
      @Kyle-vq9bx 5 місяців тому +4

      To be fair, Jason Todd is not a hero. By any stretch of the word. He's killed and done everything batman-bat family opposed. It's like saying a 1942 German soldier should go to his Jewish dad's funeral. Everyone will hate the soldier, as they should, and it would put everyone at high alert and stress. Like Jason did to the bat family. If someone isn't welcome at a funeral 9/10 it's warranted. We don't even have to go to the extreme. We could say Jason todd would be the equivalent of a drug runner. Odds are most drug runners won't be allowed at family events. Same with Todd

    • @grawman67
      @grawman67 5 місяців тому +38

      ​@@Kyle-vq9bx I honestly think he should have been allowed to go anyway. He's part of their family and is grieving too. A funeral is the place to put differences aside.

  • @juzoofficial803
    @juzoofficial803 4 місяці тому +13

    Aldred was a war veteran... he might have even killed more than Jason so i think he knows what jason has been through..

    • @Indigo_1001
      @Indigo_1001 4 місяці тому +3

      He was a medic in the field,

  • @coreymartin6486
    @coreymartin6486 5 місяців тому +20

    Frankly Barbara is a hypocrite for blaming Bruce for the things she she abd her family went through....when she was the one to choose this life without Bruce's involvement.
    The same goes for Tim.
    The only two people that has any right to say anything to Bruce is Dick and Jason.....

  • @yutorebellion5993
    @yutorebellion5993 5 місяців тому +23

    How of everybody Jason understands Alfred because when it comes to Alfred he's a type of guy who can lean on he can talk to you can get advice from who can keep secrets but also like a father figure he'll tell you when you're wrong you tell you when you're right or all in all Alfred is the goat

  • @Tores444
    @Tores444 5 місяців тому +43

    Man, Jason Todd is so underrated

  • @dermetzger
    @dermetzger 5 місяців тому +8

    The way Alfred looks behind the wheel of the Batmobile is KILLING me 😂

  • @-___-__-
    @-___-__- 5 місяців тому +45

    WOOO, JASON MY MAN, HELL YEAH

  • @kwayneboy1524
    @kwayneboy1524 5 місяців тому +12

    Off topic but Jason wearing those round shades goes hard for me like strangely enough Jason always seems to be the most dapper member of the family. Heck my Red Hood suit is his three piece suit he wore with his face mask when he took over Penguin's club.

  • @senittoaoflightning4404
    @senittoaoflightning4404 4 місяці тому +12

    Why wasn't Cass allowed in. The guy is her grandfather.

    • @peachy_talisman
      @peachy_talisman 4 місяці тому +3

      Yeah fr. I don’t get why she gets excluded so often

  • @Thebloodguy
    @Thebloodguy 5 місяців тому +7

    Jason with the blind lawyer drip

  • @caridadchang7895
    @caridadchang7895 5 місяців тому +16

    I wanna think that the family is aware that they Will eventually fall apart without Bruce, because that technically already happened when he was Lost in the time stream.
    Cassandra left, Damian nearly went back to his mom, Dick and Tim had the biggest fight of their lives, is it still canon that Jason went to Prison? Freaking reboots. Sadly, parents often have to put aside their grief in the name of their children, as they have to be strong for others and not only themselves.

  • @expressiondestination6430
    @expressiondestination6430 4 місяці тому +16

    At least one member of the family didnt have their head up their ass in this moment. I forget what damian says but its still his fault, and Lazarus island helps him cope, so i wont add him.

    • @Shadow-yc7yy
      @Shadow-yc7yy 2 місяці тому

      Damian says it's his fault and takes the blame.

    • @expressiondestination6430
      @expressiondestination6430 2 місяці тому

      @Shadow-yc7yy to be honest, I just wasn't a fan of how extra bruddish batman is in this one. I completely understand is second father dying destroyed him, but it still didn't feel like it was done correctly IMO at least.

  • @mrmrkeeper
    @mrmrkeeper 5 місяців тому +18

    Alfred has to be the best Grandpa

  • @stormi5195
    @stormi5195 16 днів тому +1

    Being told not to go to the ceremony of someone who was always there for you and so close to you is cruel

  • @charlesfarmer5250
    @charlesfarmer5250 5 місяців тому +8

    Alfred is the goat.
    He doesn’t care what situation you’re in as a vigilante or anything. If you’re his family he’ll break in the police station or even crash the Batmobile to rescue you. we all really need a Alfred

  • @salkjdfhalsdgfkauhg
    @salkjdfhalsdgfkauhg 16 днів тому +1

    R.I.P. to one of the best Dads/Grandpas in DC.
    Hopefully they will let the Bat Family wake from this night terror.

  • @giyuutomioka6974
    @giyuutomioka6974 5 місяців тому +11

    I frikin love alfred. Hes practically the strongest of the bat family. We got bat-butler in this piece!

  • @spookieboogi6161
    @spookieboogi6161 5 місяців тому +7

    Why in the name of god is everything Batman’s fault? They act like the man’s a god and he can just see into the future

  • @GokuBlackRose978
    @GokuBlackRose978 5 місяців тому +7

    Finally, Jason and Bruce not at each others throats for once

  • @DaniG._.German
    @DaniG._.German 15 днів тому +1

    The angriest man in the room understands Bruce's grief the best. This is writing.

  • @drvgvlaslvllaby
    @drvgvlaslvllaby 5 місяців тому +5

    Jason a real one for that.

  • @aceknowledgable9403
    @aceknowledgable9403 5 місяців тому +4

    This a good guy moment for Jason Todd. I like this. I just hoped Alfred can be remembered forever.

  • @shootingcomet082
    @shootingcomet082 3 місяці тому +1

    Telling Jason to not go to the funeral is such a disgrace to Jason and to Alfred.

  • @endrelko2885
    @endrelko2885 3 місяці тому +2

    Jason truly is the best boi of the batfam

  • @diablo595
    @diablo595 5 місяців тому +31

    If anyone understands pain and loss its Jason

  • @JohnPeacekeeper
    @JohnPeacekeeper 5 місяців тому +4

    You know it's telling when the British Special Forces vet (who still packs guns around the manor) says that his gun will fail him

    • @TMF979Resurge
      @TMF979Resurge 5 місяців тому +3

      If anything, he's probably making sure that Jason doesn't over rely on them, he's first and foremost, a martial artist thanks to his training with Bruce and even Alfred as well, hell, even Dick helped train him some, He's asking him to not use guns as a crutch as opposed to melee combat, cuz he's right, a gun fight will one day inevitably wind up with him shot and killed, they've even shown instances of him getting mortally wounded, like in Task Force Z when the zombified Deadshot put three rounds through him in the back and It was only thanks to Two-Face hastily applying Lazarus Resin to regenerate the wound that he made it through

    • @JohnPeacekeeper
      @JohnPeacekeeper 5 місяців тому

      @TMF979Resurge Exactly! Thank you for putting it to detail. Alfred knows this precisely because of experience
      He himself is, after all, a special forces vet, and that in and of himself makes his whole being a weapon just as much as a martial artist

  • @nick_galfi9312
    @nick_galfi9312 5 місяців тому +3

    Alfreds death marks the end of the batfamily, and i love it. Its poetic. They each realize they need to move on from bruce. Not that they wont always be there when the going gets rough, but they need to rely on themselves more than just him.

  • @CrazyDlamond
    @CrazyDlamond 5 місяців тому +5

    So sick of Bruce's current status in DC comics as the paranoid constantly avid walking disaster he's become
    The amount of undoing that the writers have done to his humanity to increase the arbitrary stakes of him remaining dense and egotistical is ridiculous.
    He's constantly become the brunt of everyone elses issues, The Bat-family, His Rogues, Other Heroes. Before batman used to be the antithesis to why these terrible things could happen, he'd help orphans find a place in the world, work peacefully with fellow heroes, and work towards understanding his villain's even if they themselves didn't want redemption.
    Now what do we have, a sad shambling man in a bat costume who's purpose is a plot device for other better stories to use him a lynch pin for why things go wrong, or get fixed due to his placement as the nutjob.
    If you cannot imagine batman comforting people, you haven't the slightest clue how batman is supposed to act.

  • @obamabinladen1824
    @obamabinladen1824 4 дні тому

    “Barbara don’t make me retcon your legs again”

  • @JasonTodd81804
    @JasonTodd81804 5 місяців тому +4

    The glasses 😂

  • @nathalieduverna6963
    @nathalieduverna6963 4 місяці тому +5

    Alfred was the papa❤

  • @lilianemachadostigliano1727
    @lilianemachadostigliano1727 5 місяців тому +24

    Barbara: so anyway i started screaming

  • @Thebloodguy
    @Thebloodguy 5 місяців тому +3

    Jason loves Bruce , that’s why he was so angry when he came back and saw that he basically did nothing to avenge him

  • @AngryNerdBird
    @AngryNerdBird 5 місяців тому +3

    I don't know why I never thought of Alfred as the Bat Family Grandpa until now.

  • @jingleballs9935
    @jingleballs9935 2 місяці тому +1

    Jason really is the Zuko of the bat family.

  • @untold.nekorb9144
    @untold.nekorb9144 5 місяців тому +3

    Everything aside my boy got that shit on 😂😭

  • @jayshonnorwood172
    @jayshonnorwood172 5 місяців тому +5

    Honestly i genuinely hate this it frames bruce as a blind idiot who just refuses love even though that isn't true. I genuinely wish they did batman justice show his flaws without making him a pos like everyone else did when writing him. Bruce isn't the punisher he is batman.

  • @MaybeDHitHim
    @MaybeDHitHim 4 місяці тому +2

    Alfred is a hell of a dad and granddad.

  • @edd2184
    @edd2184 5 місяців тому

    This one hits home, my parents had their issues with my grandparents but my grandparents always tried to be in my life and help.

  • @mohammadharithzafranmahadh6174
    @mohammadharithzafranmahadh6174 5 місяців тому +2

    The fact they didn't allow him to go is just cruel

  • @eduardpeeterlemming
    @eduardpeeterlemming 3 місяці тому +1

    "Your love is like bad medicine. Bad medicine is all I need" -Jon Bon Jovi

  • @dannytarver4533
    @dannytarver4533 2 місяці тому +2

    Not cool... Jason has just as much right to be there. It's about Alfred no one else

  • @LokiToxtrocity
    @LokiToxtrocity 5 місяців тому +2

    Lets remember that Alfres does not aply himself to Batman's no gun rule, he will pop a cap on you with zero regrets.

  • @EzaJAndara
    @EzaJAndara 5 місяців тому +2

    aahhh i love them
    alfred knows jace was street kid so he just figured it out that jace will have some kinda "punisher" style batcave so he saw him
    what a lovely man

  • @marktheshark7588
    @marktheshark7588 5 місяців тому

    Alfred was really the glue who kept the Batfamily together.

  • @SergioMendoza760
    @SergioMendoza760 29 днів тому

    I love how Alfred cared for all of these children individually. Going out of his way to bring Jason food is just such a grandparent thing to do and you can see why the bat family absolutely cherish the old man. Alfred needs them because they keep him young, and they need alfred because he gives them that grandfatherly love that they wouldnt receive elsewhere.

  • @connor5187
    @connor5187 2 місяці тому +1

    Why was he asked not to attend?

  • @jessepinkman3155
    @jessepinkman3155 5 місяців тому +2

    Jason spitting facts as always, this is why he’s the best bat family member

  • @gx_pro2277
    @gx_pro2277 Місяць тому +1

    Jason and alfred are tied for my favourite dc characters lol

  • @johnwendel702
    @johnwendel702 2 місяці тому

    Alfred really was a Justice League level threat

  • @randomguy1033
    @randomguy1033 5 місяців тому +4

    Out of all of them, Jason’s the most like Bruce. Probably why Bruce can’t stand him sometimes.

  • @sagezemage8834
    @sagezemage8834 5 місяців тому +4

    It’s honestly fucked up of Bruce to not let Jason attend.

    • @herke7237
      @herke7237 5 місяців тому

      I don't think it was him that said anything

    • @gavinjohnson6472
      @gavinjohnson6472 5 місяців тому +2

      Jason was legally dead, its less that he couldn't attend and more that he couldn't be seen by the public in the ceremony. That's why they didn't make a big deal out of him attending covertly. They just all have really poor communication skills, but they knew he would attend and they wanted him there whether they say it explicitly or not.

  • @MattHarb
    @MattHarb 5 місяців тому +6

    Where’s Nightwing in this particular scene?

    • @danieltaiwo9810
      @danieltaiwo9810 5 місяців тому +4

      Around that time he lost his memory, when he took the bullet to the head

    • @senittoaoflightning4404
      @senittoaoflightning4404 4 місяці тому +1

      He is standing around there though.

  • @rayhanmustakim7073
    @rayhanmustakim7073 5 місяців тому +3

    It's damn shame Alfred doesn't have any successors.

  • @Matt-md5yt
    @Matt-md5yt 3 місяці тому +1

    Jason may be edgy one but at least he cared about both Bruce and Alfred. Alfred knew Jason and cared about the guy. Alfred is/was always awesome to me

  • @sirmultiverse5896
    @sirmultiverse5896 5 місяців тому +2

    Can't wait for Alfred to come back and invalidate all of this

  • @Astartes-6969
    @Astartes-6969 5 місяців тому +1

    Damn that drip with the suit and glasses suits Jay.

  • @garrettviewegh9028
    @garrettviewegh9028 13 днів тому

    Alfred was the father/grandpa figure they all needed. Even somone as independent as Bat Women needed somone to talk to. Alfred was a good listener that gave great advice. But, the fact is, he was the heart that held the Bat Family together. So while Bruce wouldn’t, and would make sure others don’t kill Alfred’s killer, someone would get Bane eventually. You don’t kill a kind, but also ruthless ex-military man like Alfred, and see another sunrise. He can run and hide, but eventually, Old Man Consequences collects his debt.

  • @batsignal3469
    @batsignal3469 5 місяців тому +18

    Why didn't they invite him?

    • @LordePhantom
      @LordePhantom 5 місяців тому +2

      I think because of his beef with Bruce

    • @batsignal3469
      @batsignal3469 5 місяців тому +18

      @@LordePhantom I guess but still you invite everyone even the crazy family to funerals if you know they won't make a scene and Jason loves Alfred enough not to.

    • @gabrielgills597
      @gabrielgills597 5 місяців тому +23

      He's probably also legally dead

    • @batsignal3469
      @batsignal3469 5 місяців тому +24

      @@gabrielgills597 Yeah but who's asking for Id's in a funeral. Just put a fake mustaches and alias. He can be Matches Malone the second.

    • @Raznorthecompletelyrealhuman
      @Raznorthecompletelyrealhuman 5 місяців тому +8

      Lighter Malone

  • @Some_guy_with_gamez
    @Some_guy_with_gamez 3 місяці тому +1

    Jason has grown so much since those days where we the fans voted that he should die for being slightly annoying

  • @tjjordan4207
    @tjjordan4207 5 місяців тому +2

    The whole Bat Family drama has gone past the “getting old” stage. It reminds me too much of the drama Spider-Man has with MJ.
    The whole point of Bruce was that he wanted to protect Gotham and make sure no other child suffered the way that he did. He took on Dick, Tim, Barbara, and Jason as memebers of the Bat Family because he saw kids who needed guidance in their lives.
    As the old saying goes, if you can’t imagine Batman comforting a child, then you’re not writing Batman. And we seriously need to get back to seeing characters like Bruce and Peter being heroes, both in their superhero lives and their personal lives.

    • @omegamark9178
      @omegamark9178 5 місяців тому

      lets just say when they started letting certain kinds of people write the comic books,the heroes get treated and framed like trash constantly,which is why the comics industry is on its deathknell,,,
      as for what kind?
      if ya know,ya know

    • @tjjordan4207
      @tjjordan4207 5 місяців тому +1

      @@omegamark9178 I'm aware of that happening, not only in comics but in the entire entertainment industry. It's gotten to the point that I main revisit old stuff now, which is actually very refreshing because how much do we go back to the old stuff?

    • @omegamark9178
      @omegamark9178 4 місяці тому +1

      @@tjjordan4207 i know exactly what ya mean ✊️👍👏

    • @senittoaoflightning4404
      @senittoaoflightning4404 4 місяці тому

      @@omegamark9178 Conservatives? Cause it all went downhill when DiDio started getting more involved.

  • @yellowbones
    @yellowbones Місяць тому +1

    Jason is not Batman's son like Dick and Tim, Jason is Bruce's son

  • @Goobergurl
    @Goobergurl 5 місяців тому +1

    Alfred may not have been a dad, but he was the dad who stepped up 💯

  • @St33lStrife
    @St33lStrife 3 місяці тому +1

    Remind me why they all blame Bruce for this?

  • @Snusmumrikean
    @Snusmumrikean 3 місяці тому +1

    Did Bruce completely forget that Jason came from a neglected home? that Alfred and Bruce was his only parents his ENTIRE life.
    that Jason was HIS FIRST legally adopted son?
    and one who sees bruce as his one and true father as damian?
    Bruce was Dicks adoptive father but Dick had a LOVING family before.
    Damian had a relationship with his mother
    but Jason, the bat family was all he knew.
    Every flaw Jason had, was flaws made by Bruces raising of him, he wasnt "angrier" than Dick.
    he was raised in BATMANS image he knew nothing else.
    Everyone in the batfamily should get on their knees and tell Jason sorry for how they treated him, because god knows if anyone of them EVER needed Jasons help, he would be there without hesitation. cause thats just what type of person Jason is, EVEN if he doesnt understand why.

  • @SoraTempez
    @SoraTempez 3 місяці тому

    Alfred being more of a good father to Jason than Bruce. Now that is something

  • @youknow383
    @youknow383 5 місяців тому +2

    It's still weird realizing Bruce is a boy who lost his biological family then grew up and built a surrogate family unintentionally. A heroic mafia of sorts.

  • @mattbryant8320
    @mattbryant8320 3 місяці тому

    Who told Jason not to go? The audacity.

  • @Yubi-yw9wy
    @Yubi-yw9wy 5 місяців тому +2

    Funny how writers and fans love to portrait Jason as the child throwing a tantrum, when he is actually so fkng mature. Yes, when he first came back he was mad and crazy, but tbh (and with a bias) it was justified, the kid die. Anyway, but in present times, he fights a lot with Bruce, but he is willing to be the first one to put his grudge aside to help the innocent, he do not like his "weak" and "fake" moral, a part of him wish for his family and other part hate them, but I have never seen Jason take it out on them without reason, without trying to bring a point in his argument. And I know that might be call childish, but he sees the bigger picture, he know as a hero (in the sense of helping the innocent) he needs to put aside his personal matters and act.

    • @Indigo_1001
      @Indigo_1001 4 місяці тому

      Bruh doesn’t Jason kill random henchmen’s all the time that are just doing their jobs but NEVER a villain that matters like the Joker?
      Does that make him into a huge hypocrite? At least the bat family are consistent while Jason just kill nobodies

    • @joshuahall1581
      @joshuahall1581 4 місяці тому

      @@Indigo_1001 That's just bad writing. Blame Lobdell for that, prior to Lobdell with Winick, Daniels, and Morrison yubi is accurate.

  • @adamquenano8563
    @adamquenano8563 5 місяців тому +1

    The best thing about the Bat family is the character development they’ve had for decades

  • @LondonGuisar
    @LondonGuisar 5 місяців тому +7

    🕊RIP🕊 Alfred

  • @jazzyj3059
    @jazzyj3059 5 місяців тому +1

    And that is why Jason is my boy. Literally been going at it with Bruce for years, yet in this crucial time steps up to say what needs to be said. Alfred is still very much being missed. My grandma was a lot like him when she was still living, so I know how the family feels.