I said it once and i'll say it again, it seems that a lot of artists don't understand their own music, Ozzy Osbourne hated the album The Ultimate Sin and some of Black Sabbath members never said something good about the album Forbidden, i loved the album back in 1995, i was the first one to buy the album in my city, i still love the album today, the song Sick And Tired has a great drum intro and a great guitar solo by Tony Iommi but nobody in the band ever mentioned that song, there is only one bad thing about the album, the production, the album sold more copies than the album Born Again, Black Sabbath had two main problems in 1995, a bad label and a bad producer, i saw most of the live shows from Forbidden tour on UA-cam, some of the shows were highly energised, most of the Forbidden albums were sold in the USA, so after all is said and done this album deserves more love, thanks for the Documentary video.
Preach! I feel exactly the same Way. I still do and have always enjoyed this album- the final album in the Tony Martin era. My fave songs are Get A Grip, Can’t Get Close Enough and Rusty Angles.
Love that era of the band. Neil Murray is one of the greatest rock bass players ever. The whole Tony Martin era is highly underrated which is a shame as it produced some amazing music.
7:15 - the place in the AZ desert where planes are stored was selected because it is extremely dry: nothing rusts! Planes go there to serve as part storage, but sometimes they also get back into service, years later … because they didn’t rust. 🙂
I have to admit as a kid who got into Black Sabbath when I was barely over 12 (and have been into all different kinds of music over years and back into my favorites again) I have never listened to the Tony Martin era Sabbath but after seeing this and a few other things online I’ll have to give it a chance. He is an excellent singer, musician and frontman from what I’ve seen 👍💯
Im a huge Black Sabbath fan from way back. Well, way back to my teen years. Since i was born in 69, those albums are Heaven and hell and beyond... By the time the mid 80s came i was branching out to other music. From Thrash to Alternative and Grunge. Though i hate all of those tittles. Nothing worse than how these "intelligensia" come up with these genre goddamn names is beyond me. But anyhow, i had stopped listening just before Tony Martin had come in. Hell, i didnt even know he existed, or any of those 90s albums. Now i just bought their entire discography on the Rhino box set, and its amazing. I specially love Forbidden! Cross Purposes is not bad either. Dehumanizer is amazing as well. Just alot of great music i missed out on. Thanks for making these documentaries and help catching me up! Amazing job. 😊🤘😊
I'm glad Tony kept the flag flying ! Or as he said in interviews...he felt the need to carry on ! So glad he did .for all the posers that think this is rubbish ...let them think what they want....everyone has there opinions...! This album led to reformation of the original band ! Tony martin ...! Is so underrated! Hope one day .they start a new band ....the Headless Cross perhaps !
Nice work. I enjoyed the documentary quite a bit as I was "there" during the album and tour stop. Martin sounded good on both this album and the previous "Cross Purposes". Might be viewed as low point in Sabbath's discography, but far better than at least a few other Sab albums. Tough luck being a name band for SO long with such a storied, legendary body of work! I enjoy the music and the confidence, misguided or not of musicians creating art.
One of the first sabbath albums I bought. For a long time I only listened to I won’t cry for you and kiss of death (and they are still my favorite songs from that album) but I learned to appreciate the other songs too. I feel an old school vibe in that album and also a very rush feeling. Maybe if they had more time to polish the sound and refine the compositions it would have been better.
Yeah, definitely a good riff and song. Also, Kiss of Death, Rusty Angel's are good songs. I always liked the riff in Illusion of Power as well. Not a terrible album by any stretch
The footage of Bobby Rondinelli speaking about being told to avoid Cozy Powell is in relation to when Bobby joined Rainbow ( this occurred at Castle Donnington ) ... "It's a shit business !"
I must say the new remixed albums sound much better and as a long time Black Sabbath fan I think looking back over history it is clear to me that Tony Martin is the best singer the band ever had because of his voice and range he is the only one who could sing any song on all 19 albums.
To me this is actually a lot like ZZ Top Eliminator there isn't a single song I can say I don't like even though some are better than others. Some of Martin's live stuff was a bit weak but where he's got his voice it is pretty amazing and the band could really rock in this lineup. Saw Sabbath, first and only time, with Ozzy about a decade ago now. A must see, but I would have so loved to have seen this! I never even knew this existed until recent years it was so poorly promoted. The talk of a Sabbath tour in Australia being cancelled, that I may have heard but it's so long ago I can't be sure.
IMHO, Black Sabbath started becoming less popular from about 1985 on, with a small resurgence in 1992 when Dio rejoined briefly. By 1993 Tony Martin’s big vocals just didn’t fit the times very well and the band wasn’t marketed as effectively as Ozzy was. The production level on those ’90s Black Sabbath tours was getting smaller (no more stage props), the venues were often smaller, so the live material we get to see now is mostly bootlegs, or not very well put together in the first place.
It just sucks that people in the 90's had the audacity to tell venerable musicians like Black Sabbath they needed to modernize. How well did that work out? They couldn't have just let them be and do what they do. Then in 2013, they told them they had to go back to the first album! It's such a bad thing to do. Iommi knows best.
Forbidden doesn't deserve all the s**t that it gets, a lot of good songs in here and to be honest, Ice T + Black Sabbath album would have been an interesting idea, imagine the hate😂
For me , nothing is Black Sabbath other than the original 4 members . That said , because of the professionalism / experience and raw talent ( especially Tony Martin in this case ) there have been some great shows / tracks and albums ( usually with awful artwork / covers in my view ) along the way . There is more to Tony Martin's vocals than heavy rock / metal . I think he would be perfect to work again with Iommi and Bill Ward in a post Sabbath project leaning slightly more towards jazz / blues ( not unlike the earliest Sabbath material ) .
Changes live in 1995 was blocked, but it was just the audio. And it took off like 5 seconds of dialogue with. Just that the bands last gig on the tour was canceled. I am trying to earn some revenue so I can afford to keep doing these videos
This guy sounds like a 'poor mans Dio', but i never liked anything after Ozzy left. Hard to believe the guy with the least amount of vocal 'chops' was the best, and Geezer wrote the best lyrics, but thats the case here. anybody who tells Cozy Powell how to play drums is fucking up. Im a big Bill Ward fan- He was THE 'Sabbath' drummer, nobody 'swings' like Bill, but Cozy's albums w Jeff Beck Group and Rainbow are SO great, its sad how ignorant the public can be.😢
@@TheWolfe666 if Sabbath wouldn't have hired Ernie, some other band would have eventually. Someone has to be the first to see if it would work or not. Ice T worked with Motorhead, which a lot of folks overlook.
There are incredible songs on the Martin albums : I love the whole eternal idol I rank it at the same level of Heaven and Hell. On headless cross many great songs : Headless cross, When death calls, Nightwing Tyr : Anno Mundi , Sabbath Stones, Jerusalem , Battle of Tyr/Odin’s court / Valhalla are great Cross purposes is a great album and a worthy successor to Dehumanizer . Although I don’t like forbidden that much is still enjoy it
The Tony Martin era is so underrated. What an amazing singer! Can't wait for the box set
This channel has, by far, the best Black Sabbath's content on UA-cam,
Yeah I've been binging these for days. Love all of the behind-the-scenes stuff!
Except for the annoying AI voice used for narration…
I said it once and i'll say it again, it seems that a lot of artists don't understand their own music, Ozzy Osbourne hated the album The Ultimate Sin and some of Black Sabbath members never said something good about the album Forbidden, i loved the album back in 1995, i was the first one to buy the album in my city, i still love the album today, the song Sick And Tired has a great drum intro and a great guitar solo by Tony Iommi but nobody in the band ever mentioned that song, there is only one bad thing about the album, the production, the album sold more copies than the album Born Again, Black Sabbath had two main problems in 1995, a bad label and a bad producer, i saw most of the live shows from Forbidden tour on UA-cam, some of the shows were highly energised, most of the Forbidden albums were sold in the USA, so after all is said and done this album deserves more love, thanks for the Documentary video.
Preach! I feel exactly the same
Way. I still do and have always enjoyed this album- the final album in the Tony Martin era. My fave songs are Get A Grip, Can’t Get Close Enough and Rusty Angles.
Born Again reached #4 in the UK and #40 in the US
You can't turn to your current wife and say your ex-wife is better in bed. It's like that.
@viet8297 Agreed, along with I Won't Cry For You.
I think Ozzy hated the period moreso than the album. He was at his chubbiest at that time.
Love that era of the band. Neil Murray is one of the greatest rock bass players ever. The whole Tony Martin era is highly underrated which is a shame as it produced some amazing music.
I loved it so much that I wrote a book about it!! edtradernet.weebly.com/black-sabbath-crosses--thorns-book.html
A very underrated era of Sabbath.Really hope to hear the Tony's together again someday.
I think it would be wise to form a group with Tony and just play old Black Sabbath from that era.
7:15 - the place in the AZ desert where planes are stored was selected because it is extremely dry: nothing rusts!
Planes go there to serve as part storage, but sometimes they also get back into service, years later … because they didn’t rust.
🙂
I have to admit as a kid who got into Black Sabbath when I was barely over 12 (and have been into all different kinds of music over years and back into my favorites again) I have never listened to the Tony Martin era Sabbath but after seeing this and a few other things online I’ll have to give it a chance. He is an excellent singer, musician and frontman from what I’ve seen 👍💯
I love the 2024 remix! It became one of my favourite Sabbath albums!
The Forbidden album is raw. I love it. Sabbath at it's best.
Im a huge Black Sabbath fan from way back. Well, way back to my teen years. Since i was born in 69, those albums are Heaven and hell and beyond... By the time the mid 80s came i was branching out to other music. From Thrash to Alternative and Grunge. Though i hate all of those tittles. Nothing worse than how these "intelligensia" come up with these genre goddamn names is beyond me. But anyhow, i had stopped listening just before Tony Martin had come in. Hell, i didnt even know he existed, or any of those 90s albums. Now i just bought their entire discography on the Rhino box set, and its amazing. I specially love Forbidden! Cross Purposes is not bad either. Dehumanizer is amazing as well. Just alot of great music i missed out on. Thanks for making these documentaries and help catching me up! Amazing job. 😊🤘😊
I have docs on other TM era albums on my channel!!!!! Thank you for the kind words
@@EdwardBaggettEdtrader Absolutely, also cheking them out. Great channel!
"Rusty Angels" and "Can't Get Close Enough" are outstanding Sabbath Songs. Damn, are they overlooked.
Won't Cry For you is my favorite from the album. And my fav TM era song overall.
Great job finding the live clips of each song. Great video period.
My website is dedicated to archiving footage of the band.edtradernet.weebly.com/
Tony Martin sounds like a cool dude
Good stuff! I got i.r.s forbidden cassette, and a bootleg vinyl... love the riffs
great work! such an underrated album
I'm glad Tony kept the flag flying ! Or as he said in interviews...he felt the need to carry on ! So glad he did .for all the posers that think this is rubbish ...let them think what they want....everyone has there opinions...! This album led to reformation of the original band ! Tony martin ...! Is so underrated! Hope one day .they start a new band ....the Headless Cross perhaps !
Nice work. I enjoyed the documentary quite a bit as I was "there" during the album and tour stop. Martin sounded good on both this album and the previous "Cross Purposes".
Might be viewed as low point in Sabbath's discography, but far better than at least a few other Sab albums.
Tough luck being a name band for SO long with such a storied, legendary body of work!
I enjoy the music and the confidence, misguided or not of musicians creating art.
Many miss Cozy Powell, he seems like the Keith Moon of Heavy Metal in dome respects
Typo obviously: some
@@billschwenke790 Cozy only wishes he had Moons chops!! Or Bill’s!
Cozy Powell amazing drummer absolutely brilliant 👏 😊
Great album!🤘
My favorite thing to do when watching these interviews is look at how uncomfortable Tony is when they're talking about band drama.
Tony Martin should have done more albums with Sabbath ……..
One of the first sabbath albums I bought. For a long time I only listened to I won’t cry for you and kiss of death (and they are still my favorite songs from that album) but I learned to appreciate the other songs too. I feel an old school vibe in that album and also a very rush feeling. Maybe if they had more time to polish the sound and refine the compositions it would have been better.
Well said, even Tony Martin has said the songs just stopped progressing.
I always liked this album. Some good riffs
Shaking Off The Chains is my riff favorite from this album
Yeah, definitely a good riff and song. Also, Kiss of Death, Rusty Angel's are good songs. I always liked the riff in Illusion of Power as well. Not a terrible album by any stretch
Colin "Cozy Powell" Trevor Flooks 😢
Geoffrey James Nicholls 😢
Anthony Philip Harford
Anthony Frank Iommi
Neil John Murray
The footage of Bobby Rondinelli speaking about being told to avoid Cozy Powell is in relation to when Bobby joined Rainbow ( this occurred at Castle Donnington ) ... "It's a shit business !"
Bobby said this on another Sabbath documentary. Where he also talks about getting Tony's number.
I must say the new remixed albums sound much better and as a long time Black Sabbath fan I think looking back over history it is clear to me that Tony Martin is the best singer the band ever had because of his voice and range he is the only one who could sing any song on all 19 albums.
To me this is actually a lot like ZZ Top Eliminator there isn't a single song I can say I don't like even though some are better than others. Some of Martin's live stuff was a bit weak but where he's got his voice it is pretty amazing and the band could really rock in this lineup. Saw Sabbath, first and only time, with Ozzy about a decade ago now. A must see, but I would have so loved to have seen this! I never even knew this existed until recent years it was so poorly promoted. The talk of a Sabbath tour in Australia being cancelled, that I may have heard but it's so long ago I can't be sure.
IMHO, Black Sabbath started becoming less popular from about 1985 on, with a small resurgence in 1992 when Dio rejoined briefly. By 1993 Tony Martin’s big vocals just didn’t fit the times very well and the band wasn’t marketed as effectively as Ozzy was.
The production level on those ’90s Black Sabbath tours was getting smaller (no more stage props), the venues were often smaller, so the live material we get to see now is mostly bootlegs, or not very well put together in the first place.
@@ThemFuzzyMonsters Only good Ozzy album was Ozmosis but he did make some singles.
@@nickmansfield1wrong. Way wrong
It just sucks that people in the 90's had the audacity to tell venerable musicians like Black Sabbath they needed to modernize. How well did that work out? They couldn't have just let them be and do what they do. Then in 2013, they told them they had to go back to the first album! It's such a bad thing to do. Iommi knows best.
I listened to the first song and shut it off during the second song, couldn’t take any more.
I still feel it is better than Headless Cross.
@@alwilson3204Better than Headless Cross?Im gobsmacked.
What is the single cut guitar Tony is playing on Can't Get Close Enough Together?
It's another Gibson model
I love Eternal Idol the most, such a Heaven and Hell or Back in Black type slab of Heavy Rock, not dated by 40 years at all!!!!
I have a documentary on that album on my channel as well, check it out!!!!!
Forbidden doesn't deserve all the s**t that it gets, a lot of good songs in here
and to be honest, Ice T + Black Sabbath album would have been an interesting idea, imagine the hate😂
What's the song at 29:16?
Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
@@EdwardBaggettEdtrader Thanks
For me , nothing is Black Sabbath other than the original 4 members . That said , because of the professionalism / experience and raw talent ( especially Tony Martin in this case ) there have been some great shows / tracks and albums ( usually with awful artwork / covers in my view ) along the way . There is more to Tony Martin's vocals than heavy rock / metal . I think he would be perfect to work again with Iommi and Bill Ward in a post Sabbath project leaning slightly more towards jazz / blues ( not unlike the earliest Sabbath material ) .
YT forced me to make a small edit
Eddie, great material as usual, thank you. 🙏❤️
UA-cam forced me to make a few edits. So you might notice a jump in a few spots@@aleksandarpejcic2077
@@EdwardBaggettEdtrader yeah, I've noticed, and wanted to ask you is there some useful info, or just the music that was not allowed?
Changes live in 1995 was blocked, but it was just the audio. And it took off like 5 seconds of dialogue with. Just that the bands last gig on the tour was canceled. I am trying to earn some revenue so I can afford to keep doing these videos
Sounds like this was Tony Iommi's band with no Sabbath members
They have been in Black Sabbath before.
IOMMI is Sabbath 😊
Forbidden is not a bad album definitely not their best but has really cool moments.
If nothing else Tony Iommi has some cool riffs on the album.
Why is there nothing but piano music during the last quarter of the video
UA-cam audio copyright claim after the video had been up awhile. The documentary picks back up after it.
Martin looks like George Carlin. LMAO saw him with BSin Jacksonville around 2000. Iommi rules
This guy sounds like a 'poor mans Dio', but i never liked anything after Ozzy left.
Hard to believe the guy with the least amount of vocal 'chops' was the best, and Geezer wrote the best lyrics, but thats the case here.
anybody who tells Cozy Powell how to play drums is fucking up.
Im a big Bill Ward fan-
He was THE 'Sabbath' drummer, nobody 'swings' like Bill,
but Cozy's albums w Jeff Beck Group and Rainbow are SO great,
its sad how ignorant the public can be.😢
They could've got Leif Masses as producer, but instead they got Ernie C. That's really a step.
@@TheWolfe666 if Sabbath wouldn't have hired Ernie, some other band would have eventually. Someone has to be the first to see if it would work or not. Ice T worked with Motorhead, which a lot of folks overlook.
Tony Martin... Just can't tell the difference from one song to the next.. lol
Always liked this album, aside from the Ice-T appearance which just doesn’t fit.
I love Black Sabbath but for me these is the worst album, Ice- T put a kind rap and I hate it.
I found the whole iceT thing embarrassing.
What's funny is that no one gives Lemmy Kilmister any lip about doing a song with IceT. Or Tony Iommi with Wu Tang Clan.
@@EdwardBaggettEdtrader I didn't care for that much either. I like body count a lot. but to me sabbath is kinda sacred.
then again i think all Tony Martin stuff suxx
There are incredible songs on the Martin albums : I love the whole eternal idol I rank it at the same level of Heaven and Hell.
On headless cross many great songs : Headless cross, When death calls, Nightwing
Tyr : Anno Mundi , Sabbath Stones, Jerusalem , Battle of Tyr/Odin’s court / Valhalla are great
Cross purposes is a great album and a worthy successor to Dehumanizer .
Although I don’t like forbidden that much is still enjoy it
@@ThibautKurt23 Most of the stuff on Tyr and Eternal Idol were good songs.
@@alwilson3204iommi never made bad songs
pretty bad album lol
Probably one of the worst album covers.
Terrible album.
Oh it’s the sucky sabbath…..never mind