Troy: Fall of A City Series Review (Spoiler Free!)
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- Troy: Fall of A City is the latest retelling of the epic story of The Illiad. But it is so incredibly similar to the last retelling of this story.
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It is the lowest rated show on imdb ever right now wow
Is it that bad ?
Those people should also have been outraged then when Brad Pitt was cast as well in 2004, because I promise you no ancient Greek looked like Brad Pitt either :) But people like to imagine that History looks like them (or Brad Pitt).
Then look at its review on rotten tomatoe. Everyone reviewing this show is so biased. It’s not bad at all!
Or maybe just some people have different opinions about stuff and that’s ok.
Achilles was described as having tawny/blonde or red hair and of fair to almost pale compexion(translations vary). Brad Pitt was actually a pretty good fit.
Toxic? Imagine a film studio makes a movie about African history and lore and they replace a African character with Caucasian. Would that be toxic to talk about?
They do that all the time.
you'd figure white-washing would've been done away with by now, especially with historical figures.
Its NETFLIX and most of their home made shows are propaganda towards one thing or another. They hire alot of writer's from many different countries with many different directors. Its hard if not impossible to vet peoples true intentions and motives. Also Netflix has their own motives.
@@xaysleek4686 Where, which movie? Tell me
@@surrealengineering7884 Lawrence of Arabia and El Cid feature so-called “whitewashing”.
looking forward to bbc Caucasian Zulu series with brad pit as the Zulu king
STRONTIUM DOG Exactly but that would be toxic to talk about?!
STRONTIUM DOG. You need not to look further than “the gods of Egypt”
@@iamme588 The gods of Egypt were more caucasian so not as unbelievable as troy. Hell if they wanted to there already is an African character in the Iliad that is close to strong as achilles. Memnon is his name.
@@ferrancabezadevaca8899 I thought BINGO was his name?
@@iamme588 exactly! 🤣🤣🤣
What I really don't get about this one is why the didn't use the pre-existing black characters from the legend. Memnon, the Ethiopian king and his army show up in the 9th year of the war (around the same time as the amazons) to help the Trojans. The guy is an absolute badass said to rival even Achilles. Also, if they wanted to go with the "the gods are real" angle, they should have embraced it fully and go for the Diomede warrior against Aphtodite and Ares arc from the Iliade.
P.S. : there is no tide in the Mediterranean sea damnit!
Fun fact, Memnon wasn’t African if you go by his lineage. Now, he was “black” or dark in complexion going by the definitions of those times.
@@jeremiah_12 Fun fact, the guy wasn't even real. Only ever mentioned in the Illiad, no historical proof other than future scholars debating his origin for their own agenda. Considering his mother was the Goddess of the dawn I don't really know how can determine his lineage. So I think debating whether he was African or not or black or not is a moot point.
You take forever to get to the point
I liked the show because it involved a lot of the stuff from the original story that the movie didn't cover. Since a lot of the people involved have a theatre background, it translates a lot on the screen it's like a play from the old Vic on the television
Favorite “sword and sandal show”, without a doubt is Spartacus Blood and Sand.
Edo P.
I started bodybuilding because of Andy. He is my role model and my dream is to get huge like him. To me, he will always be The Bringer of Rain, The Slayer of Theokoles, the one and only Spartacus.
hell yeah! I loved this show, worst pilot in history but good build up and masterpiece finale. I never managed to go on watching it after the death of Andy Whitfield though. Like Crixus would say: "I've awoken to a world of shit"
ps: I don't remember people complaining about the presence of Black people in Ancient Capua but then they were slaves and the show was actually good 😏
nickaddman "And if he should take issue, he can reason to my cock" Batiatius had the best lines in any show, I have seen
nickaddman that show is ass.
blood and sand was the only good season
At first i was like: Oh shit, is it black Achilles? Whats hapenning here?
But then: Black ZEUS? LOL BLACK ZEUS?? Are they completely MAD?
................ black Artemis.
Well, doesn't Zeus appear as a bull sometimes? So taking the form of a black guy isn't that big of a deal, really. Achilles is worse, because it's not like he can shape shift and Homer specifically described him as blonde and blue eyed. A better approach would have been to make, say, Memnon the ethiopian an important viewpoint character, he's completely ignored in adaptations.
The only thing I liked about the show was Helen and Odysseus.
Helen was sexy as fuck i watched for Bella Dayne alone
Yes! Dude, I thought the same things! Just like the Marco Polo show, I thought that the actors were just bland and the chemistry was barely there. And we finally get a retelling that shows how the war being started with the gods (where's my crazy Eris scene?) and which deity was on who's side, but they were just background. They didn't appear in most episodes and they have a real presence through the actual story, they would have made the series so much more interesting, and I was so excited. Lost potential. Everything would have felt way more mythical. I'm a GIANT Greek myth affectionado and this series was simply so-so. I could see that they wanted to land us on Odysseus's journey next, but I didn't think they wrote him very well.... Maybe in another 15 years I'll get that perfect retelling I've always dreamed of.
As a writer of this very subject, I think they completely rushed the story...it's like trying to tell GOT 1-7 in one season...then try to start at season 8... we aren't vested in the characters.
It did feel like they assumed people know the story already right?
I enjoyed it. At the very least the last episode. They really managed to due justice on how horrible a real kind of slaughter this would have been. And to think this might have been true. It's be the worst slaughter in history. One night an entire city put to blood. Babies thrown from walls. It's so sad.
Spartacus is my favorite sword and sandal epic. It knows exactly what it is and above all is consistently entertaining despite a limit budget in the early seasons.
The first season of Spartacus is a damn pleasure to watch. I loved it. I watched the rest as well and enjoyed it, but season 1 was by far my favorite.
Black Achilles and black Zeus lol
Thomas Prent but zeus isn’t human and the story is fictional so who cares
@@macturner80 i didnt mind black zeus because i could transform into what he wanted. But black Αχιλλέας who is greek. That inacurate. My dad is pure greek and i dont get why he ismt black if people say greeks were black back then
Sam Katopodis your dad is a modern greek not ancient...everything changes with time...just ask the original americans...now america is a melting pot greeks dealt with many nations
@@macturner80 yes that's why skeletons we dug up from that time were all diverse... Oh wait
@@macturner80 greeks are dark skinned not black there is a big difference. They people are saying it these days is like the entire world was black.
I don’t know about you guys but I’d like to see in Season 2 what happened to Aeneas and the 3 survivors .If they actually show it , it will be probably the first time that particular story ( basically the Aeneid with perhaps a different twist) will be told on a TV series.
I'd love to see them try to take on The Odyssey. Could be interesting!
Exactly
I loved the show. I don't know any such a good mythological adaptation. In Troy, the movie Paris was such a coward character. I think this show is closer to the poem than the movie. The gods that only at very few occasions intervene is exactly the thing with the gods. It isn't "Gods of Egypt" or "Immortals" it actually tells the story. The only thing I missed was: In the poem, Troy itself is something like the main character. Not literally but it is the center. And sadly they hat too little budget to make the city feel important or alive. In the Brad Pitt movie, they just put huge CGI Walls there. But that makes it only big not important or alive. And also the fact, that it is not a stupid move about one hero makes it more interesting. In the Brad Pitt movie, it is all about Achilles and a bit about Paris but he was just annoying. Hector was also not impressive. Here in this show, you don't know who lives for how long. All these heroes are somewhat equal and I loved this a lot.
Paris was a COWARD in the Iliad. He's a cowardly little ponce.
I can't understand how the first 4 episodes about such a fascinating topic could be so goddam boring.
Just drama, talking and the nonsense romance story
I kinda liked this Netflix version because it takes the political point of view of the story more than the battle one. So yeah i guess i anderstand people who expected to see more action and get bored by the show. It wasn't great but there are some very good and cool things in it (as my favorite one when godesses call their champions on the battlefield in ep 3). The surnatural part with the gods is cool, and the fact that the show focus a lot on Odysseus throuh the show as much as the main Illiad characters is hyping me for a season 2 based on the coming back to Ithaq by Odysseus !
Really? You don't like it because it is a copy paste. But you didn't say anything about black Achills and Zeus!!
Ionut Manole he's not racist.
I am not either! My best friend is from Nigeria. Heck, he is like a brother to me! But why was Achilles made the way he was made in this new "Troy" series? There were some blacks (apparently) fighting along with the Greeks, but Achilles was not. Homer said that he was blonde. Who else is blond dude?
@Chris Ruiz and the finest hitoriaical inaccuracy
This show did a lot to differentiate itself from the movie and does fall a lot closer to the Iliad and they don't go away from homosexual touch and tell it closer to the story itself unlike the movie which differs so much.
assuming that people like Achilles were real people, which evidence suggests they were since they discovered the ruins of Troy, who is to say he wasn't black, or at least bronze? Greece is a warm climate- it's close to tropical. And it's directly across from Egypt, which is at that sweet middle spot between Africa and the Middle East, so who is to say that he wasn't colored? it's a possibility, but with no paintings, all we can do is guess. same goes for pretty much every historical figure in that area before the advent of portraits.
Homer says he had blonde hair. Also, he was an Achaean, and that tribe came from the north.
Black actors playing Greeks is something to be upset....
You say theres nothing to be toxic about αxχιλεας being black. But he is a greek historical symbol. Its very offensive to us as it would be if a marting luther king was played by a white guy
I thought the show did a good job at staying as true to the epic as possible. I don't understand why all the reviews hate it. The acting wasn't bad.
I like the politics of the Iliad story.
Achilles dying before Troy falls is correct.
But I do have to agree with others, making Achilles black was probably a bad idea. Making Zeus black isn't an issue to me since he's a God.
Seriously, man! This is nothing like Troy. You have the gods, tough Andromache, an Achilles that hardly fights, and they actually make you LIKE Paris! Like, literally! What the heck. Did we even watch the same show? They give you Paris' backstory instead of making him seem like a spoiled prince that's just a coward like in 2004.
I'm midway through the series rn, but ngl i was already sold on watching it after Ep1 (AMAZING CLIFFHANGER) and the sacrifice of the daughter to Artemis (stunning, absolutely gripping). I like that the Gods are more involved in the series than in the Movie, and I really like the focus on the side characters other than just Achilles. Like, I can totally get behind the love stories being brought up, i love this sm. Also, the weight and gravity of The War itself. This series feels just a bit grittier, more desperate, more war-torn. And yeah, it has its flaws, but I still really really like it
I might sound weird but tbh, I haven’t watched Troy the Movie.
So after watching Troy fall of a city, I liked it didn’t think there is anything wrong with but now as hearing you talking about Troy the Movie I see why people was bit*hing about the show. Still watched it and loved it, I recommend watching it.
I'm watching Money Heist (La Casa De Papel) on Netflix. About 7 episodes in and so far so good.
Smh y’all don’t even know real Greek mythology. There is many black people in it. Homer envisioned Achilles as a black man. It’s not uncommon for black people to have blonde hair. They were called Melanesian’s the sons of Solomon. It could be possible that Achilles would be apart of that race. Race wasn’t really a concept there at that time, but it happens to be black people in Greek mythology. Memnon, Andromeda, atheios, the athiopians, and etc. it’s pretty sad that they were more progressive back then then we are now.
I’d love to see the same actor in the odyssey . I thought he was good and his story needs to be concluded. His journey back home, which takes him ten years. The punishment for killing the you know what( avoiding spoiler) ?
I love that actor, while I wasn't a big fan of this show, I think that if they do the Odyssey it has huge potential!
As a Greek ( who has a whole school subject about Homer's Iliad for an entire year) , I found a couple of things that were changed ( for example the death of Iphigenia) and that really made the show less enjoyable. Also the way that they portrayed the gods ( as some kind of mystical humans ) was kinda weird .
Yeah they departed from the classic story a bit, which I think is generally fine, but they didn't use the changes they made to make the story their own.
I think the gods were portrayed very well, because in the myths the gods are very powerful but have human characters
Yeah but tge whole point of the gods is that they are all powerful beings who act like humans . In this adaptation they are dressed almost the same as everyone else.
Binge Watchers yeah they didn't make significant changes but at the same time they didn't stick 100% to the original story . It's a shame that this series might be someones introduction to the great epic.
Idgaf
I disagree that the show barely tried anything new. It touches on a number of different aspects, including "the gods can be seen interfering" angle that you mentioned. Plus, it gives more backstory. If one wants to say that it's essentially the same story as the movie, well, it's supposed to be. It's often that audiences don't want drastic changes; just look at how people are reacting to the black casting (especially that of Achilles) and are considering that drastic. The casting of black actors didn't bother me. I was surprised by it, but I was also surprised by the casting of Helen.
Well, the thing is personally I have never seen the Troy Movie so comparing the TV show to that isn't very useful for me. Is the show's unoriginality just because of the fact that it's like the movie or is it just unoriginal in its own right. You can say a similar thing for Lost in Space show if you know nothing about the original is that fact that it follows that same path still an issue?
Wow that came out like 2 days ago. Nice work
Haha it was very much a "hey I wonder if there's anything new on Netflix ok I guess this is what I'm doing today" :)
Troy walls, 2 flights of stairs 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 your so right. Gr8 work
Just to address the elephant in the room. I'm not racist. I enjoy diversity in Hollywood, in TV shows and in movies. With that being said, I refuse to watch this show simply because they cast a black actor to play the great Greek hero Achilles. Period. Black washing to me, is just as damaging as whitewashing a character that was clearly written to be blond, caucasian and Greek. Read the Illiad before you start watching the show. Homer describes Achilles in full detail. Right down to his sexual orientation.
While I agree that the acting was crude at times I think the main thing which made this show stand out for me was the Trojan perspective. It's called death of a city and it actually shows you the slow death of a city. While they didn't out rightly show people starving to death they constantly made references to and when it came time for troy to fall they didn't pull their punches with the destruction. I liked it a lot but that is just me.
That's a really good point about the perspective of the city. I think they could have explored that angle even more!
There was a lot of killing because of her freedom and a lot of sex parts I had to skip.
Why did you skip?
Well, I liked the show but as you told, There aren't difference between the movie... The unique thing is the perspective shown by the Gods, I really loved it, they could have explored more it... (Sorry my English I'm not native)
Forgive me for not reading everyone's posts, opinions and comments. I'm currently bingeing on this show. Achilles looked like Dave Chappelle. I love Dave Chappelle but not as Achilles. Agamemnon has an ill suited actor as well. I've expressed my position and will take the hits as thrown.
I have only watched one episode and it was full of clichés, I will give the movie a shot instead
People think this show better then the movie are Twilight fans
I'm a Greek history and archaeology major, and I truly simp Homer for a lot of reasons, so you can imagine any Iliad content is welcomed on my part, but i just discovered this show, finished the first couple of episodes and marveled at how creators don't seem to grasp the point: drama is the epicenter of a tragedy (it's in the title for god's sake), but shows don't want to appear too ridiculous or campy with their content, so they shy away from truly great depictions of deities, epics, tragic characters etc. I truly long to see an adaptation with creators who understand that the drama of it all is what made these epics so alluring to the public, then and now. 'screaming, crying' is the reaction i want to have when watching any tragedy adaptation, not 'meh'.
Weird casting.... The problem isn't that they cast people of African descent. Although the proportion seems abit unlikely.. Before the Bronze age collapse states around the eastern Mediterranean area had alot of contact. The issue is why are they of West African and Sub Saharan appearance???? Surely you could cast some Sudanese as representing Numidians, or have Ethiopians cast. It's very lazy casting. Atleast that would be representative of what we know of the the people of the time.
I’m like 25 mins in and was a bit confused but I’m kinda diggin it. Gonna keep going
Most of the people who liked that show obviously don't give a fuck about Homer. I'm not saying they should. It's fine. But here's the problem with it. If it were an honest show, it'd be subtitled "A 21st century sensibilities-based re-imagining of the Trojan War myth (so forget about that blind old fart from the 8th century BC and his tales that no one cares about anymore)". Not "Inspired by Homer and the Greek myths". No, mate, nooooo. That's just wrong.
This show has nothing whatsoever to do with Homer. Let's get this absolutely clear. It merely picks up some basic elements of the story and completely alters its core. Completely different characters, completely different motives and actions, and, ultimately, a completely different story. Not "the old story with a twist". No. "A new story with some elements of the old one". This is not an interpretation of the Iliad, as implied. This is a caricature. Saying this show is inspired by Homer is like saying "Zombie Hamlet" (very funny movie, go see it) is an interpretation of the eponymous Shakespearean tragedy.
Again: (Putting aside the shameless and false appropriation of the literary tradition) there's nothing wrong with telling the story you wanted to tell. It's simply important not to lie to ourselves. This show is very specific in its duality of effect, depending on the viewer themselves:
If you don't give a fuck about Homer and Greek mythology (you're not obligated to, as established), go ahead and watch this show. I don't think it's anything special, the pace is quite slow, the acting is mediocre to say the least and the overall experience is pretty forgettable... But it does have its moments, the action is adequate, particularly as you approach the end of the series, the atmosphere build-up is not bad, and as a whole, I can see why someone who enjoys epic TV dramas would reasonably enjoy this one too. Like you've been entertained by so many other shows, you'll probably be entertained by this one as well. No guarantee you'll remember it a few months later, but that's beside the point. The show was made to entertain so reward it for that.
HOWEVER
If you're a fucking weirdo who happens to love Homer and Greek mythology (btw, grow up, you mug), STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM THAT SHOW. Seriously. There's nothing for you here. Yet another disappointment, like every Hollywood movie about the Trojan War you ever watched, foolishly hoping it would at long last be an adequate representation of the epos you knew and loved. The same old stuff is here to disturb you yet again. You'll get your sadistic Atreids (shut up, when Homer repeatedly spoke of "kind Menelaus" he was OBVIOUSLY lying, haven't you figured that out by now), your dumb (and, apparently, gay - not that there's anything wrong with it, to quote Seinfeld) Achilles (because military might OBVIOUSLY equates to mindless violence, come on, catch up will you), your brave and heroic Paris (sorry, "Alexander" - what's that you sayin', Homer depicts him as the only man despised as fiercely by his fellow Trojans as by his Greek enemies? Irrelevant), your Helen who not for a single moment regrets what she's done (never mind that this is ALL SHE EVER DOES in the Iliad AS WELL AS in the Odyssey), oh, and just for a spin of originality, this time around you'll also get a weak Odysseus who gets pushed around - because, you know, why the hell not?
Forget about your stories of honor, respect, valor in BOTH SIDES, hybris and nemesis, cruel gods who manipulate humans at every turn, rage - "menis" that just might be a disguise for the internal "live to be a peaceful but insignificant old man or die young and be glorified forever?" conflict. Seriously, you're not getting ANY of that in this show. And you never will. Maybe it has to do with how the West originally came to be acquainted with the tale, I don't know, I'm not a scholar. But I've given up hope. A properly filmed (or televised) Iliad is never to be.
At least not from a Hollywood studio or a British broadcasting corporation.
I didn’t like why Achilles character was portrayed by a black man .. no match to Brad pitts character showcased in movie Troy.. I could not digest the idea 💡
When Alexander died an when the baby is thrown down the wall that really got me straight into my heart
Fictional GREEK characters, I'm not racist I just like history.
As many Greeks fell against just a few in the city I'm surprised they took the city 😂😂😂
BIG~FAT~BUMMER!!! I really had the fingers crossed for this one! I Really,Really like shows of this nature!! Sooo I'm still gunna watch it. Hey @ least there are only 6 ep. @ least it has that going for it. Ha! ; ) Grrrrr.
Definitely disappointing
I loved it 😭 but I also never saw the movie
Amanda Marie I liked both
Spoiler free? Wtf it literally says it on the title what will happen
Wait, I’m pretty sure Achilles isn’t a fictional character? He was def a real person (to our knowledge)
Spoiler Free! Explains full show in the first 20 seconds hahaha Not like it matters we have all seen the Troy movie!
I don't think the movie and the show should be too different since they're both telling the same story. The differences I saw in the show from the movie seem to be more accurate to the actual story.
Ben Hur 1959
Rome BBC series (should be back)
Fall of the Roman Empire 1964
Gladiador
ALL great
Hi I have a question is all the royal baby die cause i though one royal baby is left
Casting was ludicrous
My favorite character in the story of the Trojan war is of course Achilles, as I bet is the same for many. Now I have always been a huge sports fan, love boxing especially, and almost all of my favorite fighters, and athletes are men of African decent (black men). But boy was I thrown off when I see that they chose to cast a bald headed black guy in place of Achilles, who historically is known to be a white man with blue eyes and long blond hair. Strange choice I thought, and of course had flash thoughts of liberal Hollywood using their PC value system over historical accuracy. But more important I thought, is entertainment, and I have enjoyed many Marvel movies that we all know don't stick to the character's origins properly, so I decided to give the black Achilles as fair a chance as I possibly could. And boy did Achilles let me down at every turn. The show gave almost no illustration of Achilles being an elite warrior, other than extremely brief mentions here and there, but no assurance by demonstration of battle the way the Movie Troy did with Brad Pitt. Maybe its unfair to expect this director and actor to accomplish what the movie did with the character, but I felt completely let down at every turn by this show's depiction of Achilles. I saw some attempt to outline his character as the kind of stoic, focused, battled hardened warrior who wants only glory and blood. But it just wasnt really there for me. That is really my main gripe other than the kind of tacky scenes involving the Gods.
The directors fucked up this story for me. I hated this series so much it was hard to finish it.
I actually don't mind the black zues, but surely not achilles though??? It's a bit like having lenny henry play william wallace in Braveheart.
Sure why not have scary spice as lady diana in the crown?
lol the show is nothing like the original source - that's why it was hated.
Check your self bud the gods where greek Achilles was great i wouldn't mind if some actors who where merc where black BUT NOT THE GODS AND ACHILLES ffs m8 its not wrong to be mad at them for forcing shit on us and trying to say an historical story plus troy was real they found proof of that check your self m8 but otherwise decent review
The truth is finally coming out that Zeus was indeed black! The Greeks got their civilization from the Egyptians so I don't know why every is so mad when you fuckers been playing characters that were supposed to be black since forever! You guys made Samson white until you finally got it right, had Solomon played by a white man as well as Noah, Moses and so on
if they cast jackie chan as zeus and donnie yen as achilles i watch it
And Antonio Banderas as Memnon the African king almost as strong as achilles.
I saw episode 1 and wanted to see if should invest more time in this show. The comments are deplorable because people are hypocrites as they take exception to black actors playing figures they assume are white because of previous portrayals, but can easily accept 'other' historical accuracies, chief among them, the accent. I don't understand why countries in Europe that are near the Mediterranean or close to Northern Africa are assumed to solely have fair skinned people. Spartacus (Starz) is my absolute favorite show, particularly season one. Andy Whitfield's portrayal of Spartacus was a revelation.
Would you be offended if martin luther king was played by a white guy? Im greek and Αχιλλέας was greek so you think us being offended means we are racist right?
@@rdlrshorts4024 ugh...you want to bait me, not have a discussion, so you have fun with your assumptions. I disengage.
@@MichelMawon4982 no actualy im greek amd its offensive of them having a greek name person even if its fantasy show as something completely different. I dont mind zeus being black cause he never had a proper form. He came as a goat or a bull or whatever he wanted . But dont assume greeks used to be black. They used to be dark skinned.
Yeah, "fictional characters"... in a setting based on historical events where very likely no Greek Hoplites where dark-African black. More importantly, Achilles who specifically is described in the Iliad to have a long golden mane and blue eyes and very youthful appearance? Now he suddenly looks very dark-skinned African-black and bald, and like he's in his 30s.
It's about accuracy to history and mythology, not about whether they are fictional characters or not.
Actually Elena didn't choose to go Troy she was manipulated by Aphrodite.
Nah, I really enjoyed it. It was like a less epic, but more realistic & faithful telling of the movies adaptation with a lot more exposition and screen time. Also, on your point of how they handled scenes which were similar too the movies, it's pretty disingenuous to say they were "exactly" the same. The situations may have occurred in similar way but there were definitely differences from how it happened in the movie for instance Achilles at the gates of troy he had prisoners this time that he was executing in order too get hector to show himself & their fight seemed less choreographed and scripted but more authentic and gritty this time around. Anyway, overall I liked the show quite a bit, the only criticism I have which was 1 of my criticisms from the movie is that I wanted a lot more screen time from achilles. Real talk, I'd take an entire show dedicated to that incredible character... take me through the events of his life and show me how he became so awesome!
Lastly, I wasn't sure how I would feel about black achilles/zeus at first it did seem like an odd casting choice at first but I got over it as soon as I saw them both in their first scenes. They both did an incredible job, especially Achilles I want to see more from that actor. I hope there's a season 2, I always wanted a follow up movie of troy with sean bean playing through the events of the odyssey but that never did happen :(, hopefully this time around we get too see his brother Benjen do it though.
You're right on the money👍 I felt the Marco Polo comparison is a very accurate description. This show is pretty dull and lousy.
I only managed a few minutes before turning this off, it was painful. It's a shame, I like Bella Dayne but this was unwatchable. The gods are just dudes standing in the forest (or whatever ) asking a mortal to pick his favourite? Come on... This is what 8 year old kids do. Some common sense would have been nice.
Rebekka Hay go read illiad. You’ll be wiser.
Because that’s what really happened in the Iliad.
other suitable castings i would like martin luther king played by robert downey jr
queen victoria played by Whoopi Goldberg
"come on guys you know what i am trying to say its just inappropriate casting IMO i mean read homers description of Acillies *TIIME DILATIONS A BITCH
Ben Affleck was great though!
Wow, they have been replacing black history in movies, shows and real life forever and it was ok, and we black people are took to get over it. Now this a black actor is played. Why are they, the racist and self proclaimed NON racist not getting over it?
Didnt know Zulu King was played by Michael Caine, or wait he wasnt lol
I think they chose wrong actors for the characters zues artemis paris helen and Achilles like theres A ton of old pictures of what the gods looked like and the actors they chose looked nothing like them aphrodite was like the only one who they chose a good actor for
Not woke enough, they should have casted Amy Schumer as Helen, the show needed more body shape representation.
I also find the casting of Achilles by a black man as deeply offensive because Achilles should have been played by a transgendered, black, native-American, gay, Muslim WOMAN. Achilles being played by a straight black man and not a gay, trans-woman just reinforces the heteronormative, racist patriarchy.
The show needs more equal representation, 1 out of 10 for me.
Look through all the comments and no one is saying that, who isn't sarcastic. Now you are making something out of nothing.
I watched all eppisodes already. I liked it. Not realy accurate but its fun to watch
Btw Achilles isn’t a fictional character... in real life though he didn’t have have powers and wasn’t 20 ft tall he was just a perfect warrior.
As a Greek I don't like this one bit just in the way i wouldn't like a white Shaka Zulu...i would laugh or cringe.
thank you for the review. i feel exactly the same way.
Racebending is ok because its fictional... Ok, from now on Mulan will be played by Lupita Nyongo and Moana will be portrayed by Dove Cameron.
inotaishu1 That’s fine, fiction is fiction. People are however free not to watch the shit, just like you are free not to watch this. People need to stop shouting about shit that ain’t real, just move on.
I just started watching it only one episode in . Tho I think its goi g to be worth watching it would seem that just from the very limited amount I've watched the writers and director dont care at all about historical accuracy in the least not even loosely. ( they even have saddles with stirrups on the horses ) so for historical geeks like myself it seems like its gonna be a hard watch . Tho I will delay all out running it down till I see the whole series.
If you like Sword and Sandal shows, you should REALLY watch (or re-watch) Spartacus...
It is fucking awesome, once you get 3 episodes deep..
BTW: Start with Blood and Sand, NOT Gods of the Arena!
I loved the first season of Spartacus, the other ones were fun but not as good in my opinion. That's another example of a show that totally did its own thing and found a new, gory, over-the-top way of telling a familiar story.
ooooooo..... "they didn't put their own spin" on it, but they did make the Gods "real" people which is....um....a new spin. I am reviewing your review.
haha review taken :) I did touch on that though, they perspective of the gods could have been a cool angle or spin for the show, but we barely see it, they set up this cool thing with the gods and pretty much never use it.
Dumb ass review tbh
Because you have Risk in your shelf I will subscribe! Anyone who plays risk is worth listening to 😎✊
I disagree!
I think, the Show has the worst cast ever! I mean... when you try to make a show, about a myth, the least you can do, is choose a cast, that mirrors the historic figures, at least, a little bit!
I get your point, I do think it would have been better if they got middle eastern people that look more like folks actually did in that area in that time, darker-olive skinned. But since the story is based on a myth and not history, and they chose to go with their own interpretation of it, I think it's fine. Just like they chose to go a different route with the 2004 Brad Pitt movie. In any case I thought the main guy who played Paris here was terrible :D
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#Spoileralert there is a part in the final episode where it could kick off a odyssey season so who knows next year it could be a season all on the odyssey
The Troy with Brad Pit is actually a bad retelling of Troy....kind of. It’s not a beat for beat interpretation
If you don't understand why they delivered this story this way, it is very likely you are man. The way the story is told makes total sense to women and at least half of the story evolves from their perspective. You didn't even mention the Amanzons, which did not appear in the film version! Helen and all that was going on behind her silence, Andromache's loss of husband and child, Brisies sharing the tent with two worriors...The show also makes sure to show the transition of power from a kingdom in which king and queen ruled together (Troy) to one in which men subdue women...I could go on, but instead I sugest you ask more women who watched the show what they thought about it. You will probably be surprised!
Its half and half for me. I feel like its a little more accurate than the movie was story wise but at the same time the actor to character choices ruined it. Its not about racism. Its about historical accuracy being accurate even if its from a myth. I thought Helen was a weird choice too. I got nothing against the actress personally but for story sake I really don't see her being the face of the most beautiful Spartan queen in all of myth. Sorry. Why also make Odysseus such a cold and calculating man only to ruin it by taking out his boost about how he won the war by himself and fuck Poseidon? (Which is the entire point of the fucking Odyssey) Why give him a moment of "Well I know I just murdered people by the thousands but one more child will make me a horrible person so now i'm sad."? Why not just make him into a bastard character? Again thats the entire point of the Odyssey. Its the reason why he goes through so much bullshit. Despite alllllll of my ranting about how bad it was. It had really good points as well. This is why I'm left feeling half and half but seeing as i've made this too long already i'm going to stop it right here. Just give it a watch and if you don't like it. Well. Its only a tv show.
well .. i didnt know that Achilles was a black guy ... which is completely wrong. Very bad show , not worth watching
Did good job love it
Sword and Sandal epic...
Too bad the famous and strong Achileus is a gay black man in this show.. not the only horrible cast btw
Scott Merks They creators had to fill their qoata for gay characters and black actors so they found a loophole to do both.
To be fair there is a lot of belief that Achilles did have an intimate relationship with Patroclus. It wasn't too unusual in Greece. As for the black man... you win.
racist!
you have to add diversity 😂😂😂or it will be considered racist . but u can cast all black actors with out any asian or white
FarnsworthIII And? The story still describes Achilles as white, so bringing up ancient Egyptians (who were not black, but looked more middle eastern) helping Greek culture rise again doesn’t mean anything.
It's a more realistic take on Trojan War. Brad Pritt was too much.
Except for t black characters, I thought, it did look a lot like Troy.
the casting agent should have been crucified, its okay but why did they cast a black person as the mythic Greek ( keyword Greek) Achilleus :( its just disappointing that they have no integrity, tv is going down hill
Not sure I see the issue with casting a black actor for that role. I didn't see any outrage when Brad Pitt did the role, and I promise you people in ancient Greece didn't look like Brad Pitt either :)
Binge Watchers I'm standing with Mr. Binge on this one
Nice. Hopefully someone will do a Egyptian tv show and start to cast danish people as the Egyptian Gods. You know, becaseu they are fictional and we can totally have the gods of those people not represent their own ethnicity.
yeah for sure but there is a big difference between brad pitt and david gyasi, its just so factual incorrect it makes my brain hurt.
frosty best comment yet
Was sparta still a big power around this time can't find much on it and the movie was better to me but the show was alright to
Sparta was in his prime like 600-800 years later.
Domenik ok thank you bro
My top 3 shows GOT, Black mirror and Spartacus. Rome is a favourate of mine too. I would love a series to be made on Alexander the Great as the film was absolute shit and his legacy is just too amazing not to be made into an awesome show.
I really need to give Rome a rewatch, watched that one ages ago!
Anoop Sasi broo those are my exactly top 3 shows💪🏽👌🏼
I enjoyed the show quite a bit . Was surprised to see so many bad reviews about it
Mark Carvalho I know right.
I really enjoyed this show, there was an episode or 2 that left me wanting, but overall I thought it was well done. It made Troy (2004) look like a kids fairy tale in comparison with the ending. I appreciated it stayed a lilttle closer to the myth too. I thought the acting was fine, I didn't expect anything Oscar worthy, but I found it believable. I hope we get an Odessey spin-off series.
My fav sword and sandals show is Spartacus: Blood and Sand without a doubt, I've re-watched it a lot.
notforvideos i think they're planning it in the future since the last thing we see is Odysesseus
notforvideos Stayed close to the myth? What are you talking about? None of the gods are portrayed even remotely accurately, half of the Bronze Age GREEK cast is black for absolutely no reason, the acting is atrocious, in the first or second episode Helen references the ROMAN goddess Diana, who didn’t exist yet, considering rome wouldn’t even be founded for another several hundreds of years. The scale made the war look like a water balloon fight, there’s nothing making you believe that it’s the most massive war of all history. Before menelaus and Agamemnon set sail, Artemis (patron goddess of young maidens) demands the sacrifice of a young maiden. Makes sense. The logic behind this is even MORE baffling. Supposedly, the sea will not let them sail. So why the FUCK do they not pray to the GOD OF THE SEA. This show is an absolute INSULT to anyone who has any knowledge and fascination with the actual war and mythos.
David Wald you forgot the fact that the trojans for some reason always sally out to fight every time the greeks attack, even though they have WALLS. For god´s sake there was a reason the trojan horse was needed!
Yeah, I was really shocked when Zeus was revealed to be black, but I explained it away thinking Zeus can look like anything for any reason, so who cares? But I really was heart broken when Achilles and Patroclus were black. I saw a scene just now with literally half or more of the myrmidons marching back from a battle were black. Some scenes showed only black myrmidons. I don't have any racist feelings towards black people, but it seems like the casting guy for this show was like 'technically there were some black people in ancient Greece' and proceeded to just make as many people black as possible without making it believable. This show it total blackwashing.