Man, its all about the detective thing after episode 4 it pretty much goes in a different direction and a bunch of other things happen. If it was a long show, I get it, but cmon it has 10 episodes, why give it a bad review if you didnt even watch half of it?
@thenothing then you clearly arnt mature enough for it, and you clearly dnt understand it, my lord "bad wrighting"? you couldnt even wright a half assed version of this decently
@@cyber1ifeconnor haha did you spell everything wrong and write like an idiot on purpose? Or did you watch the entire show and suffer from that brain damage I was talking about? You are passing judgment on someone’s writing when you can’t even spell the word, that is pure comedy. This is a joke right?
Hey Ron. As you know, I have been a fan of your channel for a while and I have found your opinion on shows to be rather refreshing and unique. But above all, I loved that you championed the underdog show, you stuck it out for the season and gave it a go. But here you give up on a show after for episodes?. I find that very disappointing. I'm half way through season 2 and I have to tell you, you missed the mark on this one. As others have said, the first 4 episodes are their own thing. A little detective arc, setting up the world and introducing the characters. The real story starts in episode 5, and when Sean Bean appears in season 2...it really is quite something. I haven't been so engrossed in a show in a long while. I see that you haven't posted anything in almost a year. Maybe you abandoned the channel and burnt out. I hope your okay. But if you get the chance, I do recommend you check out Snowpiercer again...with fresh eyes.
Agree completely, an I believe that if your going to report/review shows/movies then you need to watch the whole thing before submitting a review. An the whole thing about comparing it to the movie is moot I'm my opinion it never claims to have any other connections to it other than being based on the same source material.
jeez this really misses the mark. your review that is. Jennifer Connelly's character's arc is fucking brilliant. literally adds layers to the trope of the dystopian oppressor. in fact, it makes Tilda Swinton's character in the film rather one-note. i think the tv show does a commendable job of world-building.
I mean the movie is a staple of dystopian cinema due to it's gritty nature and almost hopeless atmosphere. The show to me at least is just a drama that takes place after the apocalypse, the villain is evil but not evil enough, the train basically plays no part to the overall story despite being the main gimmick, and I really hate the show. But like if others like it it's fine, the show is a completely different genre of media, and just as people who like the show more don't get why people like the movie, I will honestly never understand the appeal of the show l.
I totally agree it's not taboo to love the movie and absolutely love the tv show as well. The movie is a bit darker the tv show is more style and finesse.
Many people left thinking that it was gonna be a crime-solving show. Trust me, it isn't. It's a setup (and a smart one at that), introducing us properly to characters all over the train as well as the world they live in, mainly for people like me that are new to this premise. Starting the ending of episode 4 there will be many very interesting plottwists and honestly, this show has just turned into one of the best shows that are currently live. You really are too biased to already quit at episode 4.
I hated the plot twist about wilford so I stopped watching. Series screws up the whole message of the movie and turns it into this bland ‘democracy’ superior over all nonsense.
@@Wandrative it doesn't really... I don't know about season 2, it's just that current role division is heavily criticized. But democracy isn't necessarily seen that way, it's just a means to enforce equality
@@StepwaveMusic Turning a great robust engine into a makeshift MIT gang engine is one thing, it drains all the snowpiercer out of snowpiercer. The point of the movie was that unconditional equality is not a good thing, rather everything must be different. And that a wise and intelligent leader is required. Movie starts put ok but turns into a democracy justice warrior movie.
@@Wandrative and you think the show doesn't do this? They have been critical about literally everything which shows how much room for discussion this topic has. And unlike the movie, the show is not finished yet.
I’m sorry man, if you didn’t watch it I don’t know how you can put out a bad review. I am a fan of this channel for sure though! Actually, I gotta check out Hanna!
Because how Stepwave said they are completaly different stories based on the graphic novel. Also the show compared to the movie is much better and logical, the train is just must more realist and logical than the movie one.
Season 2 completely jumped the shark and a series about class warfare and social injustice turned into your run-of-the mill popcorn fantasy flick with a bit of romance and mother-daughter sentiment thrown in to get those tear-jerker reviews. It lost all semblance of social commentary and became a generic action flick.
@@HoriaNeagu last time i checked the title was Snowpiercer and the difficulties of living in a 3 mile metal tube? I mean most trains have 1st to 3rd class, that doesnt mean it represents social injustice. Now does it? Idk, youre entitled to your own opinion.
@@adekin1090 I mean 1st Represents the Wealthy who never have to work, 2nd the Middle Class Who perform high skilled jobs and gets greater benefits. 3rd being the Low-skilled jobs, and the "Tailes" Being the homeless and jobless. It's a system that MAKES sense for keeping stability maybe have 1st class be an award for hard work or great contribution, or FOR senior leadership, instead of those who funded the train, post-departure. It's a system based on the Rigidity of society, Unlike Layton who promotes Socialism? I guess we know, it's meant to be a democratic system, but you know they kinda... Became leaders without an election, live in the Engine, have all the power. Sure, he “Mended” The class divides, and with the revolution killing people of course... New Openings were created. With the Tailes filling them. But this doesn't make much sense, for a society, the carrot, and the stick which promotes Hard work and Better Living over the Worse living for EVERYONE, method, that Layton loves. It's a system that shouldn't be stable, I AGREE with Willford, on the class system, Maybe not for 1st class doing nothing. But it provides A) A Goal for everyone B) A system that is Rigid and Stable, Which promotes hard working, Something that IS needed considering the fact for the last 8 years the world has been frozen over. Layton, provides equal benefits for all, if not for his plot armour, I suspect a second revolution would have happened with the arrest of Willford, someone that has a cult-followng rightly so he DID build the last trains on earth. With the Second and Even some parts of 3rd feeling their current living is unsatisfactory, I mean after all their rations took a HUGE hit, after Layton took over, even if it wasn't his fault directly, he would take the blame. It's a thriller Drama Show, and it does that well, but in the depth of the show Layton would likely not stay leader for long. I mean he would have huge support from tailes, but the 3rd and 2nd class, are wildly different in education, and life-style, they provided something the tailes didn't Qualifed Personnel. TLDR: Layton, wouldn't stay in power, After all Willford has a cult-following, as a man who DID come back from the dead, with society frozen over and the Unmoving tier-ed level system, Order was maintained. The only distrupters were the tailes, who felt they were injusticed, But admitally... THEY DID KINDA BREAK ONTO THE LAST TRAIN, WITHOUT TICKETS, AND THE FACT THAT THE TRAIN YOU KNOW, HAS A SOLID STRUCTURE BASED ON HAVING 1st, 2nd, and 3rd having tailes who aren't qualified is dumb, they are the dredges of society.
Ron are you up to date with Dark? You reviewed season 1 when it came out, and you seemed to love it. I personally haven't heard you mention it ever since. I hope you're watching, because season 3 is almost out and I honestly can't wait as it's my favorite Netflix show of all time.
I love the Snowpiercer series. Currently watching season 2 But not until today from random UA-cam watching. Did I hear of a movie called snowpiercer. Never once heard of it. I am planning on watching it when I get the chance tho
The movie came first and is what the show is based on. It's much darker and a lot better from a critical stand point. The reason peoe the like the show is because it is a drama and yeah sure but still not my cup of tea. They are very different in style and genre.
Man you couldn't be more wrong imo... I absolutely HATED the movie, I thought it was utter dogshit, but the series is by far my favorite show of 2020. And if you really think the show is about a detective story, you seriously need to watch more, that shit gets dropped real quick. After that it's a beautiful web of fighting for freedom like in the movie, finding a balance of power without the whole train collapsing, and don't even get me started on season 2. "Gets cancelled halway through", the show just got renewed a second time, so I would strongly suggest you give it another try, since everything the film tried to do so cartoonish bad gets addressed in the show with much more nuance. Without spoilering too much, arms get taken but not without remorse, the train gets taken over but not through slaughtering everyone... I fucking love it.
Lol That garbage would not even have the name Snowpierce if it wasent for the REAL movie, its just another SJW freak show that they insert a woman on a man role and call it a day.
You only watched 4 episodes 😂 You can’t review something you didn’t finish. This TV show is up there with some of my favourites, Breaking Bad, GOT, Heist. Everything your said is completely wrong. And yes I watched all of your video before disliking it.
I am going to do what you do and judge how good your channel is based on this one video. Since pretty much everything you say is inaccurate and you would know this if you watched it. That must mean all your videos are inaccurate and you review things without watching them.
You need to re-watch the entire season and also season 2, everything you're saying I couldn't disagree with more... This is a crazy good series. I WOULD 100% recommend to anyone
The show isn't even based on the movie, it's based on the comics and you dare to criticize a show you didn't even watch a half of. If you want to be a reviewer you better stop being so ignorant.
Calling it bad without watching the entire thing just earned you a dislike. I dont think that it's the best show around but I did enjoy it and I can respect your opinion if you watched the whole thing first. Watch the entire season and if you still think it's bad then that's fine but calling it bad after 4 episodes is just uninformed opinion. Maybe change your title to The first 4 episodes of snowpiercer is bad. Much more appropriate.
Okay huh you really need to watch further than episode 4. It isn't a detective show at all. I understand it put you off, because I also was doubting to watch it when I heard it was about a murder. But after episode 4 that all gets put away and the real story starts. I hope you will still give it a chance.
The ending of the Snowpiercer movie was pointless in my opinion. Roughly three thousand of the last people of Earth killed by an avalanche? That seems needlessly bloody to me and the ending didn’t convince me that it was necessary. It’s quite depressing and unsatisfying for me. Maybe it’s just me
There were baby’s and children on the train aswell. A total disregard for human life and completely ignoring the theme of human survival in all adaptations of the Snowpiercer concept.
Yep; Tnt adaptation was much better than the movie itself movies tone was very light and was quite funny ending was inconvenience for me i really loved the Netflix one
I like the show much more than the movie because the show just makes more sense. The movie is focused on the revolution rather than humanity survival or logic, while the show focuses on the survival of the people. The director said he made the train as realistic as he could. I dont like movies without logic, and i was forced to like snowpiercer because I liked the idea but there wasnt any better version of it so i couldnt choose. Now there is and I made my choice.
Think of the logic and what ppl are capable of, there is 1 train and your main focus is staying alive, for a revolution to happend you want it controlled when you live in the 3rd class, you don't want it to be to much risiko. Taking away that in the series, has ppl beeing unable to develope more common sence skill as their development of characters and so on. If there wouød bw a revolution like this it would have been build way more on the prinsipp that someone are reaserching on humans that are in the draws. And feeling that who runs it is not running it for the best of humanity! All this is just pushed aside for what? For logic???? Plz tell me the logic of taking this things just straight of the table? Is that good writing? Or am I to harsh?
Too bad all of the logic in the show has completely disappeared. Almost nothing makes sense anymore - the machinations/structure of the train, the characters' motivations etc. The last couple episodes of S3 managed to save some degree of the quality, but overall the show's a complete mess.
@@teolbz Yup, while the movie does take place in a theatrical feeling, heightened-reality, it's still tonally consistent and the motivations of the characters are clear throughout. Every decision feels plausible and the characterisation is simple/direct. The same cannot be said for S3 - and much of S2 - of the show. If you're still a fan, that's wonderful. I'm glad you're having fun. However, I have witnessed a pretty massive shift towards disappointment in the fanbase - primarily on Reddit and with the fans I know irl. The episode discussions on Reddit were scathingly negative all the way through S3 - comprised entirely of people who were happily enjoying the show not long ago. Of course this is all my opinion and personal experience and I don't expect (or want) to impact your views.
This show is worth your attention and it gets much better after episode 4, how can you review the whole show based on less than half the episodes? No it’s not as atmospheric as the film but this show expands on the themes of the movie while the world building (predictably) is far better, given the additional time afforded by a tv show format. The murder is really irrelevant to the main story of this show, and it’s funny you think they drag will out the mystery because this show actually answers a few big mysteries within just 1 season and it, generally, has great narrative momentum. I like that you bring up Hannah because I thought Hannah was terrible in season 1 (have not watched season 2). That’s actually a show with the issues your ascribing to Snowpiercer, as Hannah stretched a thin premise with some weird tangents. Not to mention the action was really poorly filmed and lacked any sort of impact. Hannah is about as generic a show as they come.
What on earth are you talking about??? the movie was not beautiful, it was stupid and it did not make any sense and I had too many mistakes and things that don't add up. I have no idea why they made a TV show out of that fucked up movie
Yeah when I first watched season one (very recently) I was three episodes in and I was exhausted. It felt so kooky and trite. I stuck with it though, and it really grew on me! The main antagonist is a mess I won't lie, but Melanie, Ruth, and some of the other characters really make the show a fun ride. If you can try watching it through a campy lens it really becomes a treat!
Have to say I disagree with you. I thinks really good. The "detective" stuff ends pretty early on an story improves as it goes an the season finale had me pumped an on the edge of my chair, It's only like 10 episodes you should watch it all then review. An season two is even better imo. But to each their on I guess. That said, I will not be coming back to this channel for its opinions on anything. Good day.
the like and dislike ratio tells you everything, this dude also never got it i guess, this is the first person that didnt see the bigger picture of the show and it shows, poor guy
I haven't read the book or watched the movie and have found the show to be decent. Its exsistence isn't a crime. I will watch the movie and read the book after I am finished with it.
Haha it's definitely not a crime. And yeah I can see how coming to it fresh it would be just a decent detective show as opposed to comparing it to the movie.
A small spoiler here. You have not seen the worst, I have seen 8 episodes, and you do not get a reasonable build up of ppl with surviving and lust within what they think they should get. So so many ppl just lack development characters and characters at all, it is just so bad!!! And the start of revolution is so bad! What ppl choose makes no sence i context, and the fighting is so stupid!! It just has gone worse and worse! And I have not seen the movie even! It is one of the worst series I have watched actually! Who ever wrote or made it this way has wasted so much potential!! This is who ever wrote and directed this way who made this as bad at it is!
Apparently most commeters liked the show, while I think it is hot garbo! So either I have to high standards or they are pleased by mid standards hollywood writting! Either way what should matter is what you think!
I did try to get though seasons two and three. It's basically a poor man's game of thrones at this stage. Different factions, characters die or go insane, everyone is betraying each other. Only saving is Sean bean as mr Wilfred and his give no shits performance.
I forced myself to watch the show and I can actually say that it was bad imo. The storyline was all over the place and so many characters with potential just died out after a few episodes after their introduction. None of the characters had any moral compass. Overall it feels like the show was trying too hard to portray that social class message but did a shit job at it. However I did like the set designs.
Honestly, if you refuse to watch the whole show, you have no right to criticize it. Layton becoming a detective for the train is merely a plot device to further the tail storyline, as well as the main plot. When I saw you vid, I expected you to speak of the numerous plotholes, forgotten characters and complete character 180's ... Instead, I got a man whining about something he didn't even watch, and knows very little about. Be more professional. The internet is overly saturated with wannabe critics already...
the show is better than the movie, because the movie is just anout rebels and killing and revolting. the show is more about the train, you understand more about the characters, why did the freeze happens, so in conclusion The show is better
I have an unpopular opinion. I think the show is actually bad so far and I watched like, 8 episodes of it. I am sure my opinion will not change even when I finish every episode.
As a person who washed all 3 seasons of the show I can safely say all your points are wrong. And you do realize that the show is going to divide it's budget per episode. Instead of putting there budget into hour long movie. But I recommend you revisit it and at least FULLY watch the first season
Hey man did you abandon this channel? I really like your analyses and seems like we have similar tastes. Hopefully you start it up again, maybe also do movie reviews which are faster to produce than entire series' exclusively.
if you're still interested in giving the show another chance then jump back in, it really gets much much better in the second half and while I agree the detective portion was kinda meh the last couple episodes are some of the best i've seen as far as season endings are concerned
Reading this comments I see that several says the same thing and I apparantly has to big standards of shows I know nothing about in the start, and I have not watched the movie! Either I have way to high standards or you are getting pleased by middle standard hollywood writting.
To me the show seemed a lot like The 100: Watchable as long as you're high as a kite and got plenty of booze. The actors perform fine concidering their characters do more 180's than a J.J. Abrams's Star Wars bad guy, they go bad faster than a season 8 GoT Khaleesi. Luckily they crammed in more smart and funny 'strong woman' than a reboot of Ghost Busters to shut all our white-male-mansplaning mounths (yes, the word is now actually being used on tv too).
I disagree but I respect that, that's your opinion. I'm on episode 7 and I think it's awesome. The first 4 episodes are more of a detective show vibe, but then it changes completely after that and becomes something more akin to BSG on a train.
If it's not the story that's bad, it's how this show presents the actual train. In the movie the spaces really looked like they would fit in train compartments. Here they are just HUGE rooms that in no way would fit in a train compartment. Also how does everyone travel back and forth hundreds of compartments like it's nothing? The Tail is like the last hundred(?) compartments? So that would mean you need to travel 700-800 compartments from the front to reach there?? They did show a small train type thing within the bottom area of the train in the first episode to travel.. don't tell me that entire train basically has a subway inside it?
In the movie they went thought carts like it's nothing, also in the final episode you can see the train compared to a human, it still doesnt look like it fits but it looks more like it fits
More than bad I find TV series quite inconsistent compared to the movie. I have found only very few episodes really entertaining and a lot of others ones meh, a bit of a waste of time... On the other hand I liked the original comic but found it also inconsistent...
Agree with most of the comments, I definitely understand why someone would be turned away after a couple episodes, i personally wasnt too attached to Layton, but the world they continue to build as the episodes go on is where the meat is, and cool clever ways of using the train. I like that the show is building its own world with its own themes, im saying this after thoroughly enjoying the movie, havent yet read the graphic novel but now i would love too. Give it another shot!
I agree that the first few episodes were bad and I was about to stop watching but my mum wanted to continue so... We skipped to episode five and the show really sucks me in after that. The issue I had was the pacing. They really know how to drag the show. I know the movie is superior but the last few episodes ain't that bad
@@Jakester1 sameee omg I'm counting down the second extremely excited I got my bf to watch it for the first time today and allready almost to season 2 he loves it and steven ogg does a great job in the show to hope we get to see more of his character pike in the show and backstory
The protagonist is a corny catchphrase, I was behind Cavill from ep2 because of the detective character being so rubbish and if you finish the series that won’t change... I’m a team Cavill guy
Listening to this guy is hilarious just how off the mark he was. He completely misunderstood the point and premise of the show, the thing he says won't happen in season 1 does, how he thinks the show will progress even in the season he could of watched was wrong and the final crowning glory is him saying it will get cancelled half way through and it now has a second season. DONT MAKE A REVIEW FOR A TV SHOW THAT YOU DIDNT EVEN WATCH HALF OF.
241 thumbs up on your review... Nuff said. I only watched 2 minutes of this review & decide it was dogshit. I guess I don't need to watch the rest to see if you changed my mind.
Here's a comment from someone who hasn't seen the original movie: This show is bad. Real bad. I'm surprised that this is in top ten watched show on Netflix in my country. Why I think it's bad, is because i think the characters are over the top corny and stereotyped. The plot is so god damn predictable and sometimes it doesn't know what it tries to be. It brings nothing new, nothing surprising, nothing to be excited for. The plot was promising at first, and it would have been something, but I'm kinda ashamed that I gave this show seven episodes to prove itself.
By episode seven I couldn't stop watching anymore. Really wondering if we watched the same show... the one I watched was about a 'dystopia' covering very interesting morals of all the different classes, showing us unfairness contrasted with order and a revolt against that system. I wonder what yours was about
i reckon the story is done really well in the movie but the tv show does the characters really well. Ruth is hands down one of the best written characters i have seen in any show. Season 2 is so much better than the first one and then they go back to some odd story tropes in the 3rd season but bloody hell mate season 2 is near perfection
The source material is the original French comic series from the '80s which this TV series is closer to than the movie. Get your facts straight if you're gonna say it sucks. It makes you look dumb.
Both are alright, not terrible but I still have a distaste for them. The movie is great though, and should be independently good without taking from the show!
I can hardly call 4 episodes count as a full series review
Yeah
When it’s full it’s 10 episodes long and the train is 10 miles long or 1,001 cars long
Idk I’m stupid
Lol the detective part of the show ended on episode 4.
The bare minimum for a review is to watch the thing you're reviewing.....
Man, its all about the detective thing after episode 4 it pretty much goes in a different direction and a bunch of other things happen. If it was a long show, I get it, but cmon it has 10 episodes, why give it a bad review if you didnt even watch half of it?
Because the writing was so bad that he probably didn’t want to risk the possibility of brain damage. That’s why I stopped.
@thenothing then you clearly arnt mature enough for it, and you clearly dnt understand it, my lord "bad wrighting"? you couldnt even wright a half assed version of this decently
@@cyber1ifeconnor haha did you spell everything wrong and write like an idiot on purpose? Or did you watch the entire show and suffer from that brain damage I was talking about? You are passing judgment on someone’s writing when you can’t even spell the word, that is pure comedy. This is a joke right?
@@cyber1ifeconnor god, can anybody on the internet interact civil for once? please just discuss the series instead of pointlessly insulting each other
@@k9nevienna You’re right, of course but that was just so funny! Thanks for the reminder.
Hey Ron. As you know, I have been a fan of your channel for a while and I have found your opinion on shows to be rather refreshing and unique. But above all, I loved that you championed the underdog show, you stuck it out for the season and gave it a go.
But here you give up on a show after for episodes?. I find that very disappointing. I'm half way through season 2 and I have to tell you, you missed the mark on this one. As others have said, the first 4 episodes are their own thing. A little detective arc, setting up the world and introducing the characters. The real story starts in episode 5, and when Sean Bean appears in season 2...it really is quite something. I haven't been so engrossed in a show in a long while.
I see that you haven't posted anything in almost a year. Maybe you abandoned the channel and burnt out. I hope your okay. But if you get the chance, I do recommend you check out Snowpiercer again...with fresh eyes.
Agree completely, an I believe that if your going to report/review shows/movies then you need to watch the whole thing before submitting a review. An the whole thing about comparing it to the movie is moot I'm my opinion it never claims to have any other connections to it other than being based on the same source material.
Ron: I don’t know if the show is bad
Title: The Snow-piercer show is bad
Haha at least I come full circle at the end of the video and say it is bad.
You didnt watch the full thing you prat
At least I watched your full video before disliking it!! XD
jeez this really misses the mark. your review that is. Jennifer Connelly's character's arc is fucking brilliant. literally adds layers to the trope of the dystopian oppressor. in fact, it makes Tilda Swinton's character in the film rather one-note. i think the tv show does a commendable job of world-building.
I mean the movie is a staple of dystopian cinema due to it's gritty nature and almost hopeless atmosphere. The show to me at least is just a drama that takes place after the apocalypse, the villain is evil but not evil enough, the train basically plays no part to the overall story despite being the main gimmick, and I really hate the show. But like if others like it it's fine, the show is a completely different genre of media, and just as people who like the show more don't get why people like the movie, I will honestly never understand the appeal of the show l.
I totally agree it's not taboo to love the movie and absolutely love the tv show as well. The movie is a bit darker the tv show is more style and finesse.
Many people left thinking that it was gonna be a crime-solving show. Trust me, it isn't. It's a setup (and a smart one at that), introducing us properly to characters all over the train as well as the world they live in, mainly for people like me that are new to this premise. Starting the ending of episode 4 there will be many very interesting plottwists and honestly, this show has just turned into one of the best shows that are currently live. You really are too biased to already quit at episode 4.
I hated the plot twist about wilford so I stopped watching.
Series screws up the whole message of the movie and turns it into this bland ‘democracy’ superior over all nonsense.
@@Wandrative it doesn't really... I don't know about season 2, it's just that current role division is heavily criticized. But democracy isn't necessarily seen that way, it's just a means to enforce equality
@@StepwaveMusic Turning a great robust engine into a makeshift MIT gang engine is one thing, it drains all the snowpiercer out of snowpiercer.
The point of the movie was that unconditional equality is not a good thing, rather everything must be different. And that a wise and intelligent leader is required.
Movie starts put ok but turns into a democracy justice warrior movie.
@@StepwaveMusic im not taljing about season 2, its not out.
@@Wandrative and you think the show doesn't do this? They have been critical about literally everything which shows how much room for discussion this topic has. And unlike the movie, the show is not finished yet.
It's not based of the film it's based of the French graphic novel that the film is based on called Le Transperceneige
No It is based off the film I read the graphic novels the only things it shares with the graphic novels are things that appeared in the show.
I’m sorry man, if you didn’t watch it I don’t know how you can put out a bad review. I am a fan of this channel for sure though!
Actually, I gotta check out Hanna!
How tf would you talk about a show you didn't watch its amazing and im looking forward to season 3
I feel like the fact that he thought he wasn't going to like it before he watched it was a self fulfilling prophesy.
The movie was really great. Why did we need a tv series?
Because the tv series =/= the movie
Because how Stepwave said they are completaly different stories based on the graphic novel. Also the show compared to the movie is much better and logical, the train is just must more realist and logical than the movie one.
@@teolbz i loved the movie more
I think they just want to make more money
The series were made to go into more detail.
Season 2 is so good now i feel bad u didnt even finish the first season
Season 2 completely jumped the shark and a series about class warfare and social injustice turned into your run-of-the mill popcorn fantasy flick with a bit of romance and mother-daughter sentiment thrown in to get those tear-jerker reviews.
It lost all semblance of social commentary and became a generic action flick.
@@HoriaNeagu last time i checked the title was Snowpiercer and the difficulties of living in a 3 mile metal tube?
I mean most trains have 1st to 3rd class, that doesnt mean it represents social injustice. Now does it?
Idk, youre entitled to your own opinion.
@@adekin1090, what are you trying to saty? The original novel was about climate catastrophe and social injustice.
@@HoriaNeagu you got a point.
@@adekin1090 I mean 1st Represents the Wealthy who never have to work, 2nd the Middle Class Who perform high skilled jobs and gets greater benefits. 3rd being the Low-skilled jobs, and the "Tailes" Being the homeless and jobless.
It's a system that MAKES sense for keeping stability maybe have 1st class be an award for hard work or great contribution, or FOR senior leadership, instead of those who funded the train, post-departure. It's a system based on the Rigidity of society, Unlike Layton who promotes Socialism? I guess we know, it's meant to be a democratic system, but you know they kinda... Became leaders without an election, live in the Engine, have all the power. Sure, he “Mended” The class divides, and with the revolution killing people of course... New Openings were created. With the Tailes filling them. But this doesn't make much sense, for a society, the carrot, and the stick which promotes Hard work and Better Living over the Worse living for EVERYONE, method, that Layton loves. It's a system that shouldn't be stable, I AGREE with Willford, on the class system, Maybe not for 1st class doing nothing. But it provides A) A Goal for everyone B) A system that is Rigid and Stable, Which promotes hard working, Something that IS needed considering the fact for the last 8 years the world has been frozen over.
Layton, provides equal benefits for all, if not for his plot armour, I suspect a second revolution would have happened with the arrest of Willford, someone that has a cult-followng rightly so he DID build the last trains on earth. With the Second and Even some parts of 3rd feeling their current living is unsatisfactory, I mean after all their rations took a HUGE hit, after Layton took over, even if it wasn't his fault directly, he would take the blame. It's a thriller Drama Show, and it does that well, but in the depth of the show Layton would likely not stay leader for long. I mean he would have huge support from tailes, but the 3rd and 2nd class, are wildly different in education, and life-style, they provided something the tailes didn't Qualifed Personnel.
TLDR: Layton, wouldn't stay in power, After all Willford has a cult-following, as a man who DID come back from the dead, with society frozen over and the Unmoving tier-ed level system, Order was maintained. The only distrupters were the tailes, who felt they were injusticed, But admitally... THEY DID KINDA BREAK ONTO THE LAST TRAIN, WITHOUT TICKETS, AND THE FACT THAT THE TRAIN YOU KNOW, HAS A SOLID STRUCTURE BASED ON HAVING 1st, 2nd, and 3rd having tailes who aren't qualified is dumb, they are the dredges of society.
Can you review the rest of the show because it does get way better.
When ? I watched 8 first episodes and has just been downhill!
its really bad .. there is a opera in one wagon and a woman is looking through binoculars so she can see the stage :D ... fuck that show
@@stefanadolfspies There isn't a single scene like that, what is wrong with you lmao, It's the best tv show
@@YouthForEuropeGeorgia Finally, someone with some taste.
Jesus man, yeah of course it’s not like the original but you seem pretty triggered by the series. 😀
Ron are you up to date with Dark? You reviewed season 1 when it came out, and you seemed to love it. I personally haven't heard you mention it ever since. I hope you're watching, because season 3 is almost out and I honestly can't wait as it's my favorite Netflix show of all time.
I love the Snowpiercer series. Currently watching season 2
But not until today from random UA-cam watching. Did I hear of a movie called snowpiercer. Never once heard of it.
I am planning on watching it when I get the chance tho
The movie came first and is what the show is based on. It's much darker and a lot better from a critical stand point. The reason peoe the like the show is because it is a drama and yeah sure but still not my cup of tea. They are very different in style and genre.
“Compared to the source material I think it’s bad”
The source material is graphic novels not the movie so guess again
Man you couldn't be more wrong imo...
I absolutely HATED the movie, I thought it was utter dogshit, but the series is by far my favorite show of 2020.
And if you really think the show is about a detective story, you seriously need to watch more, that shit gets dropped real quick.
After that it's a beautiful web of fighting for freedom like in the movie, finding a balance of power without the whole train collapsing, and don't even get me started on season 2.
"Gets cancelled halway through", the show just got renewed a second time, so I would strongly suggest you give it another try, since everything the film tried to do so cartoonish bad gets addressed in the show with much more nuance. Without spoilering too much, arms get taken but not without remorse, the train gets taken over but not through slaughtering everyone... I fucking love it.
How old are you
@@europaaugust9598 Uhhh... in my twenties. What does it matter ?
Lol That garbage would not even have the name Snowpierce if it wasent for the REAL movie, its just another SJW freak show that they insert a woman on a man role and call it a day.
The movie was amazing
The movie was great, that kind of confirms that the show isn't a must watch if that's your opinion lol.
You only watched 4 episodes 😂
You can’t review something you didn’t finish.
This TV show is up there with some of my favourites, Breaking Bad, GOT, Heist.
Everything your said is completely wrong.
And yes I watched all of your video before disliking it.
I am going to do what you do and judge how good your channel is based on this one video. Since pretty much everything you say is inaccurate and you would know this if you watched it. That must mean all your videos are inaccurate and you review things without watching them.
You need to re-watch the entire season and also season 2, everything you're saying I couldn't disagree with more... This is a crazy good series. I WOULD 100% recommend to anyone
I hate dropping dislikes on videos but I just disagree with the review so much.
The show isn't even based on the movie, it's based on the comics and you dare to criticize a show you didn't even watch a half of. If you want to be a reviewer you better stop being so ignorant.
Exactly! Like you can't give a review on something when you haven't even watched it in its entirety
You are so right Thankyou !
Reviewer “ I don’t like thing.”
Didn’t even watch it all.
So I didn’t watch the rest of your video
you gotta change your channel name now, giving up after episode 4 isnt a binge
Calling it bad without watching the entire thing just earned you a dislike. I dont think that it's the best show around but I did enjoy it and I can respect your opinion if you watched the whole thing first. Watch the entire season and if you still think it's bad then that's fine but calling it bad after 4 episodes is just uninformed opinion. Maybe change your title to The first 4 episodes of snowpiercer is bad. Much more appropriate.
the actor who plays the detective. he is really bad always with a blank face and an open mouth. only Melanie is saved
Okay huh you really need to watch further than episode 4. It isn't a detective show at all. I understand it put you off, because I also was doubting to watch it when I heard it was about a murder. But after episode 4 that all gets put away and the real story starts. I hope you will still give it a chance.
I agree with this. I'm on episode 7 and I thought episode 5 and 6 were incredible.
The ending of the Snowpiercer movie was pointless in my opinion. Roughly three thousand of the last people of Earth killed by an avalanche? That seems needlessly bloody to me and the ending didn’t convince me that it was necessary. It’s quite depressing and unsatisfying for me. Maybe it’s just me
There were baby’s and children on the train aswell. A total disregard for human life and completely ignoring the theme of human survival in all adaptations of the Snowpiercer concept.
Yep; Tnt adaptation was much better than the movie itself movies tone was very light and was quite funny ending was inconvenience for me i really loved the Netflix one
Same
I like the show much more than the movie because the show just makes more sense. The movie is focused on the revolution rather than humanity survival or logic, while the show focuses on the survival of the people. The director said he made the train as realistic as he could.
I dont like movies without logic, and i was forced to like snowpiercer because I liked the idea but there wasnt any better version of it so i couldnt choose.
Now there is and I made my choice.
Think of the logic and what ppl are capable of, there is 1 train and your main focus is staying alive, for a revolution to happend you want it controlled when you live in the 3rd class, you don't want it to be to much risiko. Taking away that in the series, has ppl beeing unable to develope more common sence skill as their development of characters and so on. If there wouød bw a revolution like this it would have been build way more on the prinsipp that someone are reaserching on humans that are in the draws. And feeling that who runs it is not running it for the best of humanity! All this is just pushed aside for what? For logic???? Plz tell me the logic of taking this things just straight of the table? Is that good writing? Or am I to harsh?
Too bad all of the logic in the show has completely disappeared. Almost nothing makes sense anymore - the machinations/structure of the train, the characters' motivations etc. The last couple episodes of S3 managed to save some degree of the quality, but overall the show's a complete mess.
@@V.elociraptor and you prefer the movie that ended up with everyone dying?
@@teolbz Yup, while the movie does take place in a theatrical feeling, heightened-reality, it's still tonally consistent and the motivations of the characters are clear throughout. Every decision feels plausible and the characterisation is simple/direct. The same cannot be said for S3 - and much of S2 - of the show.
If you're still a fan, that's wonderful. I'm glad you're having fun. However, I have witnessed a pretty massive shift towards disappointment in the fanbase - primarily on Reddit and with the fans I know irl. The episode discussions on Reddit were scathingly negative all the way through S3 - comprised entirely of people who were happily enjoying the show not long ago.
Of course this is all my opinion and personal experience and I don't expect (or want) to impact your views.
This show is worth your attention and it gets much better after episode 4, how can you review the whole show based on less than half the episodes? No it’s not as atmospheric as the film but this show expands on the themes of the movie while the world building (predictably) is far better, given the additional time afforded by a tv show format. The murder is really irrelevant to the main story of this show, and it’s funny you think they drag will out the mystery because this show actually answers a few big mysteries within just 1 season and it, generally, has great narrative momentum.
I like that you bring up Hannah because I thought Hannah was terrible in season 1 (have not watched season 2). That’s actually a show with the issues your ascribing to Snowpiercer, as Hannah stretched a thin premise with some weird tangents. Not to mention the action was really poorly filmed and lacked any sort of impact. Hannah is about as generic a show as they come.
Gonna dislike because the comments says you didn't watch the whole season and giving bad review
I watched 4 minutes of this review before I gave it a dislike 👎
I disliked it the first second
What on earth are you talking about??? the movie was not beautiful, it was stupid and it did not make any sense and I had too many mistakes and things that don't add up.
I have no idea why they made a TV show out of that fucked up movie
Bro the show is amazing wdym, it is amazing.
How you gonna say an entire show is bad before watching all of it? That seems kinda ignorant
Yeah when I first watched season one (very recently) I was three episodes in and I was exhausted. It felt so kooky and trite. I stuck with it though, and it really grew on me! The main antagonist is a mess I won't lie, but Melanie, Ruth, and some of the other characters really make the show a fun ride. If you can try watching it through a campy lens it really becomes a treat!
You only watched 4 episodes... how is your review credible?
I love the show.... There's more to it than meets the eye. Read between the lines 😊
Yeah it's about class politics and the human condition, it's actually very clever.
Have to say I disagree with you. I thinks really good. The "detective" stuff ends pretty early on an story improves as it goes an the season finale had me pumped an on the edge of my chair, It's only like 10 episodes you should watch it all then review. An season two is even better imo. But to each their on I guess. That said, I will not be coming back to this channel for its opinions on anything. Good day.
I agree TV show is terrible ppl have such poor tastes in shows these days .
The show is really good and getting better every episode. I get the clickbait title, but dude... you don't like it, ok.
You don't understand what clickbait is
the like and dislike ratio tells you everything, this dude also never got it i guess, this is the first person that didnt see the bigger picture of the show and it shows, poor guy
Never started it. The Investigation Aspect of that turned me off. Sooo...do you plan on Reviewing the Dark Series when it come´s to an end on the 27.?
I mean the detective aspect just lasts for the first four episodes and then it changes completely.
@JimboParadox How? Personally I enjoyed it.
Dark is a good show but I couldn't bring myself to watch season 3 it is just so slow.
Everyone in comments praising the show and this guy is not I am new to this show so I think I am gonna go with comments
The movie really is better if you Inti dystopian fiction, if you like tnt dramas that aren't really even dystopian watch the show.
I like the show but this may be an unpopular opinion: Layton is the weakest actor in the series
Yeah I didn't like the show but I would agree he is the worst character in it, ruth is probably my favorite.
I haven't read the book or watched the movie and have found the show to be decent. Its exsistence isn't a crime. I will watch the movie and read the book after I am finished with it.
Haha it's definitely not a crime. And yeah I can see how coming to it fresh it would be just a decent detective show as opposed to comparing it to the movie.
@@BingeWatchers it's not a detective show though? The detective part was used to smartly introduce us to all the classes from a tailie's perspective
Please read the novels and watch the movie! Both are amazing!
A small spoiler here.
You have not seen the worst, I have seen 8 episodes, and you do not get a reasonable build up of ppl with surviving and lust within what they think they should get. So so many ppl just lack development characters and characters at all, it is just so bad!!! And the start of revolution is so bad! What ppl choose makes no sence i context, and the fighting is so stupid!! It just has gone worse and worse! And I have not seen the movie even! It is one of the worst series I have watched actually! Who ever wrote or made it this way has wasted so much potential!! This is who ever wrote and directed this way who made this as bad at it is!
Apparently most commeters liked the show, while I think it is hot garbo! So either I have to high standards or they are pleased by mid standards hollywood writting! Either way what should matter is what you think!
The movie by Bong Joon Ho is so good. I might rewatch that instead.
Yeah good call. I watched the movie twice since starting the show :)
@@BingeWatchers but you don't have time to finish a few more episodes
Yeah it is my all time favorite movie.
@@europaaugust9598 interesting choice
@@grm6486 Okja is good too, and I mean parasite was a massive success we all saw that one.
I did try to get though seasons two and three.
It's basically a poor man's game of thrones at this stage. Different factions, characters die or go insane, everyone is betraying each other.
Only saving is Sean bean as mr Wilfred and his give no shits performance.
Unsubbed- you actually gotta watch the show to review it
I forced myself to watch the show and I can actually say that it was bad imo. The storyline was all over the place and so many characters with potential just died out after a few episodes after their introduction. None of the characters had any moral compass.
Overall it feels like the show was trying too hard to portray that social class message but did a shit job at it. However I did like the set designs.
Such a poor review, at least finish it before you bash it. Amazing series btw
the like to dislike ratio is not good looking
Honestly, if you refuse to watch the whole show, you have no right to criticize it. Layton becoming a detective for the train is merely a plot device to further the tail storyline, as well as the main plot.
When I saw you vid, I expected you to speak of the numerous plotholes, forgotten characters and complete character 180's ... Instead, I got a man whining about something he didn't even watch, and knows very little about.
Be more professional. The internet is overly saturated with wannabe critics already...
the show is better than the movie, because the movie is just anout rebels and killing and revolting. the show is more about the train, you understand more about the characters, why did the freeze happens, so in conclusion
The show is better
I have an unpopular opinion. I think the show is actually bad so far and I watched like, 8 episodes of it.
I am sure my opinion will not change even when I finish every episode.
As a person who washed all 3 seasons of the show I can safely say all your points are wrong. And you do realize that the show is going to divide it's budget per episode. Instead of putting there budget into hour long movie. But I recommend you revisit it and at least FULLY watch the first season
Hey man did you abandon this channel? I really like your analyses and seems like we have similar tastes. Hopefully you start it up again, maybe also do movie reviews which are faster to produce than entire series' exclusively.
does the show at least adapt anything from the comics?
Don't know, haven't read it but my my guess would be no.
Don't hate me, but I love the show and hate the movie 😬
why
Why
if you're still interested in giving the show another chance then jump back in, it really gets much much better in the second half and while I agree the detective portion was kinda meh the last couple episodes are some of the best i've seen as far as season endings are concerned
Reading this comments I see that several says the same thing and I apparantly has to big standards of shows I know nothing about in the start, and I have not watched the movie! Either I have way to high standards or you are getting pleased by middle standard hollywood writting.
To me the show seemed a lot like The 100: Watchable as long as you're high as a kite and got plenty of booze.
The actors perform fine concidering their characters do more 180's than a J.J. Abrams's Star Wars bad guy, they go bad faster than a season 8 GoT Khaleesi. Luckily they crammed in more smart and funny 'strong woman' than a reboot of Ghost Busters to shut all our white-male-mansplaning mounths (yes, the word is now actually being used on tv too).
I can confirm the first 3 episodes are terrible. I'm struggling now to turn it off.
I disagree but I respect that, that's your opinion. I'm on episode 7 and I think it's awesome. The first 4 episodes are more of a detective show vibe, but then it changes completely after that and becomes something more akin to BSG on a train.
Bro watch more than a small bit before you make a video lol
When he said “it’s so ugly” I was like that was kind of racist to layton
If it's not the story that's bad, it's how this show presents the actual train. In the movie the spaces really looked like they would fit in train compartments.
Here they are just HUGE rooms that in no way would fit in a train compartment.
Also how does everyone travel back and forth hundreds of compartments like it's nothing?
The Tail is like the last hundred(?) compartments? So that would mean you need to travel 700-800 compartments from the front to reach there?? They did show a small train type thing within the bottom area of the train in the first episode to travel.. don't tell me that entire train basically has a subway inside it?
In the movie they went thought carts like it's nothing, also in the final episode you can see the train compared to a human, it still doesnt look like it fits but it looks more like it fits
Well, actually when you see the actual size, most cars look like they fit
That's only one of it's issues but yeah
Reminds me of when they made the "limitless" show and it was just another solving crimes show
Oh I remember that. Yeah that one wasn't great either.
snowpiercers is the best movie its just your upinyin most people like it!!
Sorry, it just doesn't make sense. The whole idea of the train doesn't make sense.
"I didn't finish the show but it's bad!"
More than bad I find TV series quite inconsistent compared to the movie. I have found only very few episodes really entertaining and a lot of others ones meh, a bit of a waste of time... On the other hand I liked the original comic but found it also inconsistent...
Agree with most of the comments, I definitely understand why someone would be turned away after a couple episodes, i personally wasnt too attached to Layton, but the world they continue to build as the episodes go on is where the meat is, and cool clever ways of using the train. I like that the show is building its own world with its own themes, im saying this after thoroughly enjoying the movie, havent yet read the graphic novel but now i would love too. Give it another shot!
Will you review twin peaks anyday??🙃
I dropped out 10 minutes into episode 3, it's very dull
I agree that the first few episodes were bad and I was about to stop watching but my mum wanted to continue so... We skipped to episode five and the show really sucks me in after that. The issue I had was the pacing. They really know how to drag the show. I know the movie is superior but the last few episodes ain't that bad
The like and dislike ratio says it all. 305 likes 583 dislikes.
Title: it's bad
First 20 seconds: it's not bad
Right, make up your mind mate. And maybe next time watch the series to the end to be able to review it.
man it must be opposite day cuz im hearing some negative reviews for this awesome show LOL
fr tho lol like tf
@@alyssaluv3 so excited for season 3!!!! This monday!!!
@@Jakester1 sameee omg I'm counting down the second extremely excited I got my bf to watch it for the first time today and allready almost to season 2 he loves it and steven ogg does a great job in the show to hope we get to see more of his character pike in the show and backstory
@@alyssaluv3 nice!!!! Me and my buddy that i got into it are gonna rewatch from beginning to then watch season 3!! HYPE HYPE HYPE
@@Jakester1 helll yeah
Snow Filler, 1001 episodes long.
The protagonist is a corny catchphrase, I was behind Cavill from ep2 because of the detective character being so rubbish and if you finish the series that won’t change... I’m a team Cavill guy
I cannot rember who the detective guys name was and I watched like the first season and half of the second. Not a very memorable guy is he.
Listening to this guy is hilarious just how off the mark he was. He completely misunderstood the point and premise of the show, the thing he says won't happen in season 1 does, how he thinks the show will progress even in the season he could of watched was wrong and the final crowning glory is him saying it will get cancelled half way through and it now has a second season. DONT MAKE A REVIEW FOR A TV SHOW THAT YOU DIDNT EVEN WATCH HALF OF.
it's absolutely amazing
Because in this tv show it from the comic book
???
Just watched episode 5, it ruins the original story.
Well the idea is really different
Its not based on the movie snowpiercer.
They weren't trying to retell the same story
Adam Barker this is what the SJWs don’t understand. If the original story was good, build on it don’t destroy it.
@@kainblood1000 the main character happens to be black so therefore it is SJW pandering, ok buddy.
Eww, the movie is so bad, the show is so good. Totally different productions, thankfully
Man I mean you can like different things from me but at least explain why you don't like the movie so you don't look stupid.
you dont actually have a take if you havent watched
it s a netflix show, they will stop when they feels like it
No it's a tnt show
@@europaaugust9598 maybe I would give a fuck if it was a good show
241 thumbs up on your review... Nuff said. I only watched 2 minutes of this review & decide it was dogshit. I guess I don't need to watch the rest to see if you changed my mind.
Watched the hole show, loved it, watched the movie, boring
Then you suck at watching things
@@killua3325 best answer ever😂😂😂, laughing out loud
i hate the fact the killed off Steven Ogg
It's Bad Bc It wasnt directed by Bong Joon-ho, instead instead it's More American Way boring and not unique
Here's a comment from someone who hasn't seen the original movie: This show is bad. Real bad. I'm surprised that this is in top ten watched show on Netflix in my country. Why I think it's bad, is because i think the characters are over the top corny and stereotyped. The plot is so god damn predictable and sometimes it doesn't know what it tries to be. It brings nothing new, nothing surprising, nothing to be excited for. The plot was promising at first, and it would have been something, but I'm kinda ashamed that I gave this show seven episodes to prove itself.
By episode seven I couldn't stop watching anymore. Really wondering if we watched the same show... the one I watched was about a 'dystopia' covering very interesting morals of all the different classes, showing us unfairness contrasted with order and a revolt against that system. I wonder what yours was about
i reckon the story is done really well in the movie but the tv show does the characters really well. Ruth is hands down one of the best written characters i have seen in any show. Season 2 is so much better than the first one and then they go back to some odd story tropes in the 3rd season but bloody hell mate season 2 is near perfection
The source material is the original French comic series from the '80s which this TV series is closer to than the movie.
Get your facts straight if you're gonna say it sucks. It makes you look dumb.
This show sucked hard, especially episode 8 it really just got ridiculous
the snowpiercer show is so amazing
I mean its not bad, season 1 is meh but season 2 is great
Both are alright, not terrible but I still have a distaste for them. The movie is great though, and should be independently good without taking from the show!