Hardtail Vise Build Ep 17: CNC Machining Hardtail Vice Dynamic Jaw
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- Опубліковано 2 лют 2024
- The final machining of the Hardtail vise dynamic jaw and we're finishing it off in the @MilltronicsUSAInc TRM 3016 toolroom mill! We'll show the machining program for both sides of the vise and get this part finished! To help commemorate this project we engraved the Abom79 logo into the sides and I think it turned out nice! #abom79 #hardtailvise #cncmachining #milltronics
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Very classy Adam, your grandfather would be so proud of you and the achievements you've made the last several years! Well done!
I agree
In response to a comment by @claytonWells - - - What’s it too you? ! Last time all of us looked,the channel,and the content are all at the discretion of Abom79. It’s his project,his channel, and unless your in his shop seeing whatever other ( bill paying) jobs he’s doing ,your “ milk this project “ comment is totally irrelevant and disrespectful. PS ADAM the Logo looks FANTASTIC!
I’m not quite sure how this works Mr Abom 79. However, I wanted to let you know that my Grandad took such great joy in watching your videos for the last c3 years of his life. I am so happy to have witnessed how much he enjoyed your videos first hand and can only thank you and celebrate the superb work you do. We lost him at the start of this year but the work you do, is exceptional. And the ‘old skool’ ‘old boy’ machinists and fabricators live on in such a beautiful way through the incredible work you do. Thank you.
What a journey Adam, I've watched you from the start grow your channel sharing your extensive knowledge and skills manual machining.
It's great to see you bring modern techniques to the table here, Grandpa will be looking down on you with a smile on his face I'm sure 😀
That finish is ridiculously good by the way, cheers 🍺
Thank you so very kindly for all you share. I noticed a few comments, which criticize your efforts. I still like the advice given me 60+ years ago: "If you cannot find anything good to say, don't say anything at all." Thank you again Mr. Booth!
I once had an instructor in a professional training class that I attended who, when an error occurred, would say. It’s good this happened because it presented a teaching moment. So I say to you, it’s good this happened so the correction is a learning opportunity.
The Abom engraving is unique and beautiful.
If you aren't making mistakes, you aren't learning.
What a beautiful finish on that jaw. When all said and done, this vise will be better suited for the metrology lab rather than a job shop!
Adam. Your videos were great when you had the role of experienced instructor with the classical machining techniques. You are equally top notch in the role of fellow student, sharing your learning this CNC environment with us. I think when this project is complete, you will hold the title of “ Man with Best Vice in the world” !
Saturday evening watching Abom79 put out another EPIC video in 4K on my TV :) keep these videos up Adam!!
Awesome work Adam. You never cease to amaze, entertain, and educate. Thank you
One thing I would for your engraved Logo is fill it with India ink, then wipe the surface clean after it dries. Makes it POP, even though nobody will see it...
Hey Abom quick tip from a young cnc guy, instead of leaving .003" allowance all on those operations just raise your G54 Z. Always want to have your program reading correct so to speak. Most of CNC is just dialing in your tool lengths and diameters. Hope this can help, I sure know I've learned a lot from you over the years, best of luck with your CNC endeavors!
Great video. Thanks for taking me along. You’ve taken an extreme vice and made it extraordinary. I appreciate you sharing your struggles with the cnc programming. I don’t know much about machining and even less about cnc, so I feel like I’m learning something with you. That is going to be the best fireball vise in the world. I think that you should name it the FIREBOMB vise. Maybe engrave that on top of the removable jaws. It deserves a name, because it’s so beautiful.
This... ^^^^^ so much this, please engrave the FIREBOMB with the FT dragon and hugh flames around the mic frame graphic with the changed name in place of Abomb79, remember this is only 7 characters instead of 8 as in Abomb79, and adjust your kerning (spacing between characters) as needed.
Seeing the way the machine g-code is hidden from the programmer I wondered if the conversational interface was as clunky as it presented.
Dang Adam, you're gonna have the nicest looking Hardtail vice in existence! Awesome work on all the parts so far.
I do a lot of engraving on my Haas TM1 in my home shop. I never thought to use a center drill for engraving, but I’ll give it a shot. My go to cutter is a carbide end mill with an .020 radius tip that has a 20 included angle. It works well for surfaces that are less than perfectly flat but because of the small tip angle cutting depth does not change the width of the cut a noticeable amount. Nice work, I enjoy the CNC videos. Cheers from Florida’s Space Coast.
It’s so nice to watch you learn, with the satisfaction you feel when you produced an excellent result.
Would be interesting to disassemble the other vice and compare them side by side when all the machining is finished. Well done so far! It's going to be an awesome vice!
That face mill on that material at that speed is a magic combination.
Love your work Adam, and glad to see the professionals get just as excited about machine finishes as much as us hobby amateurs.
Great Video keep it going.
Nice another Abom video.
Making good progress Adam, both on your CAM skills and the vise. Something cool you might want to start working in - climb mill around the perimeter of the face, you won't have burrs to worry about while checking things between passes. My bandaid boxes last at least twice as long since I started doing it, highly recommend.
It's so cool you're getting more and more into CNC. Beautiful finish on that cast iron, super impressive! Personally I've had good results using a ball end mill for engraving, normally it doesn't leave a burr.
Fusion is a bear, don't get discouraged. It's a steep curve but once ya get over the fence it's racecar mode. So glad you didn't cut it boustrophedonically (1st time I could use that word since school, a loooong time ago). You Sir are a speeds and feeds wizard, that's one fine finish.
This is a really great project for using all the machines in the shop. Lots of learning going on and thats what its all about. Thanks for teaching!
By the time you’re done with that , you’ll have yourself a $10,000 vice !👍
Man, the finish on that is gorgeous! And the engraving looks like it was machined (pun intended)
Wow, I still believe that you and Fireball could donate this as a tax deductable item to be auctioned off with proceeds donated to a qualifying charity at a large Trade show in your industry. There are those of us who want to own the very best on matter how sublime or unneeded and are willing to pay to have the finest. I believe a case can be made that this is the finest vise ever made in it's size. Ray
Very cool results! Glad you're enjoying the new processes and haven't been overwhelmed by the new skills acquisition curve.
Really enjoy your show. Very educational. From Phillip Island, Australia.
Great Job as always !!!!!!!
Loving this project, particularly riding along for your journey into CAD/CNC Adam. So interesting to see the learnings unfold. Refreshingly honest content 🙌
Awesome video! Can't wait for the next.
It looks great, but with the finished view, out of the lights in the CNC mill, I wonder about the possibility of doing up the engraving (paint, epoxy, wax, idk something) in a color that ensures its visibility without having to shine a light on it.
Amazing good video Adam. You got it going on. You have successfully moved into the full digital world. Part looks great, congratulations!
I am a fan of manual machining but you can't doubt the results.
It's very interesting learning lots enjoy seeing you grinning from ear ear to ear thanks for the video
I think it would've looked cool if he did all the cuts on the diagonal like at the head end. That would make a consistent pattern instead of a hodgepodge of swirls at the end. That would be a PITA to do manually, but let the robot do it. It would take a few more minutes, but this isn't a production job - most of what he's doing is just about aesthetics.
The few times I have worked in cast iron after removing the work piece,as a separate program run a full deck flood cooling pass as a cleanup of work table.
Damm,this Cnc stuff sure appears complicated. Good on you for tackling it.
Good stuff Adam... watching with keen interest... thanks for sharing. Cheers!
Very nice. It’s almost going to be to nice to use.
That engraving is so cool.
Set out to make a tool and ended up making a work of art.
The material is really good. Great result.
Fantastic engraving,Adam.Congratulations.Thank you.
Love that vice! I think you're pouring more love into this than even fireball does haha!
Well done!
in 50 years someone will get that vise and hopefully they find these videos, probably on some kind of archive site because UA-cam probably won't exist then 😂
i love seeing how finishes like that play with light
Love the engraved logo
It’s got a beautiful finish
Look at you clicking and troubleshooting in that CAM software.
I’m seeing a big difference in Adam a year ago and Adam now. I started out with The First version of BobCAD back in 94 it was very rudimentary. Later I was welding aluminum with robots using a laser vision system. So I recognize where you have been and where you are. I know you love your old school knowledge and ways of machining. Knowing that I think it’s very cool you stepping out and vastly increasing your knowledge. You should be greatly encouraged by your progress and be eager to get your Blackbelt in CAM. Your new capabilities are gonna make you very powerful in the shop.
Not that I was doubting your new found CNC skills, but I was very worried leading up to the engraving after you flipped the vice 180. You didn't explain that you had the software capability to flip the engraving so the logo is positioned opposite the other side, but you succeeded! Take some black paint and fill in the engraving work so it is more prominent. Then wipe off the excess.
Love this CNC content Adam. Great work!
I too was worried about the same thing but I shouldn't have doubted Adam😊
Can't hardly wait for the rest of the project and see it get finished. . just amazing.
2 angle camera views was cool
"within 4 tenths from end to end". There's some guy in a vice factory somewhere LOSING HIS MIND over getting vice dimensions under a thou!
Probably at the vice factories they don't even hit 10 thou, if we're not talking about machine vices.
Wonderful job and nice touch with the engraving , thanks for sharing your experience !!
Boys and their toys.. Got to Luv it
Great work! I love the engraving, but I wish it was closer to the jaw end. I feel like you won't get to see it often unless the vise is open to the max.
We talked about that and this was the choice he wanted. He didn't want to be able to always see it. So that is what we did.
@@MechanicalAdvantage yes, as Adam said in a video prior to this one. That's why I wish for the FIREBOMB mashup of the two logos to be placed just forward, just under the jawline.
Edit for addition... some folks are claiming YOU write the programs for Adam, I know better, you would know enough to check for a consistent stock-to-leave. Adam is just relearning machine ops without the feedback he gets via eye and ear. He is coming along fine.
Congratulations, Adam! Keep your arrangement with your teacher as long as you can. I'm retired now, but in my years as a software developer I wrote millions of lines of code on many kinds of computer. More important, I fixed many mistakes. I also learned how to make programs easier to modify and easier for others to understand. That's called software engineering, or common sense learned the hard way.
You have already done the pieces of a general measuring tool for big flat surfaces. I would guess that the easiest way would be to mark special points on your Fusion360 model and have Fusion360 give you the x and y coordinates of each. For example, the sides of the vice jaw might require six points, four a bit in from the corners of the flat area, one in the middle, plus one up on the triangular step. Then, just like you did by hand in this video, write a program to have the probe tool give you the z coordinate at each special surface point. You could have run this program several times in your run today. Each time you would have discovered errors or misalignments earlier.
Once you have built this first example, it will be easier to make more. For example, another "measuring jig" program would probe the beds of the two vices for depth and flatness.
I don't have any intention of going anywhere. It is always enjoyable working with Adam each session, and each time we work together he picks up a little more. We had to do some fairly advanced things to get the results he wanted for this project and I was happy to show him how to do those things he was looking for.
@@MechanicalAdvantage, I have great respect for you. After the sudden death of my musician wife, I decided to learn a bit of what she used to do. I started from essentially ground zero, at age 68. I don't think that this would have worked without teachers. Teaching adults takes special skills and clearly you have those.
Great learning comes from these "errors". Turning into a quite fascinating series.
Spectacular job Adam!
What a unique and artistic change!
Thanks for sharing. Very kool. Amazing.
Always great footage Adam. Been a good series.
Finish looks gorgeous here also 🙂
love it
All that setup paid off!
@14:54 The sweet, sweet sound of high RPMs
A nicely informative vid. Can I suggest that you may need to probe your entire table for flatness. You may also have to investigate if the table is lifting from either reaching and bumping an end of range and deflecting. Or the table, vises, etc are torquing the table base. It would be interesting to delve into the problem, a manufacturer or installation error. You may end up decking the entire table top to rectify tolerance issue.
Adam, That process was awesome.!! I have to admit though, It caused a case of nervous tension for me while watching it, lol. It looks fantastic.!!
If I've seen that correctly the facemill is a Walter with the thick quadruple inserts. Those really make an excellent finish, we use them too.
It might be useful on these longer sequences to have a pad and paper and checklist everything. This vise, though beautiful and perfect, has had about 1 dozen foibles. Not that I don't love it and love the video, 'cause i dooooooooo!
Great job. Ok my thoughts on machining the top close to the jaw, I think it act a protector in case some items fasten in the jaws was to slip and it looks like it meets up with the non finish side casing
Adam, Don't you want your Dad to come back, and see where you are ? I have that thought of my Dad, that way often.... Funny how we think, lol
set your simulation to show stock remaining (blue/green) then it's really obvious when you run the simulation if there is still stock remaining (or if it takes too much also)!
Hello, another informative video again. The finishing of that section looks really good, but personally, I might have machined the entire section with parallel and angled toolpaths, creating consistent machining marks throughout the entire piece.
I was thinking the same thing.
I'm learning a lot.Thank you for the useful information.❤❤❤❤
Great Job!!!
Amazing Technology!
So Awesome. Great job,
Great job. Thank you 😊
Thanks for sharing
Looks great.
Very good job.
Good stuff
Nice!! Great series!! 🙂
That little bit under the moving jaw my first thought is a fly cutter or is that unrealistic?
Awesome work Adam
Very nice...thanks for learning all this stuff. My granddaughter is taking a class that includes fusion 360. I'm trying to keep up...tough on a old guy.
Yeah, me too. 77. I started in the 60s with punch cards, an IBM 360, and FORTRAN.
@@royreynolds108 cnc on punch tape created with a calculator and colored pencils here, would have loved some quality time with an IBM 360.
Looks good...
There are enough negative comments and it's not my intention for this to be one of them. It's a learning process more that a vice project. With that said, is there actually any functional utility to using the shaper rather than just doing it on the CNC machine? I can see that the shaper is fun to use, but if these parts were being done in a production run, would the shaper steps just be eliminated. I am looking forward to seeing the main body done on the shaper.
Yes, just a choice to use the shaper no utility there. Given enough time and files (with file cards) an apprentice could knock this one part out with a grinder for the stock reduction and files for the fine tuning in less than 80 hours. It is not to set up for production, performance enhancement, or even for pretty, although the shaper does leave nice linear markings. Some of the folks like that content over anything else Adam puts out.
Someone really needs to record the sounds made with a shaper for sleeping - for those few that wish to fall asleep to it.
Edited for addition... re eliminate the shaper steps in a production enviroment, alas, there are no more of them (shapers) left in production shops that I know of in my area. I used to run a converted-to-millhead planer with a 6 foot by 40 foot bed, rarely used 10 feet of it most of the time, and that was a contract shop.
Use a fly cutter for the reach
It would look great if it couldsray like this at 4:46, the scallops look awesome along with surface finish!
My thoughts as well
We are waiting for 600k
That 1 thou' difference may be a good thing.
If the vice is extended that far out, the extra precision may add stabilty/rigidity..
And the quality of the casting is awesome. I don't think i've ever seen a nicer machined surface finish.
In some things machining leaves a literal mirror finish. Because they actually make mirrors by machining. There's no finish work after, just the machined surface. Of course they don't make those out of cast iron or even steel.
Need to paint the ingraving " black or red "
You're using the facing cutter like you're doing this on a manual mill. Keep the cutter down and cut in both directions. Ballscrews have zero lash
He's learning, and still doesn't have confidence. He'll get there.
We intentionally cut direction. We wanted a climb cut to help get the best surface finish and Adam didn’t want the directional change lines that would have shown up with a both ways cut when you moved to the next pass.
Not about the lash and e'rbody's always learning ya? Y'all know all there is to know about cutting metal huh. I say, take a peek at Joe Pie and tell me what you know. This man here is 200% enjoyable to watch and IS doing fantastic work. Gonna tell a MFer how to beat up on four tenths. 😂
I’m glad to see you’re catching on the fusion 360 and CNC machining. Instead of doing a parallel pass and then a contour pass to clean up around that neck. You could do it all as a pocket.
He wanted the lines of the pass to be a certain way. With pocket you wouldn't have the control he wanted.
@Abom79 maybe a fly cutter to finish off that top area leading up underneath the jaw line?