Man it's so weird that when it comes to live action, the 70s tv series is the only one to ever do the clone thing (I know it's not comic accurated... but sort of counts... or not?)
It's pretty funny that, as messy as the clone thing is, it's nowhere near the most unpopular thing Marvel has done with Spider Man (looking at you, One More Day)
I think we can say that One More Day ISN'T the worst thing to happen to Spider-man anymore, and I think most people would agree. Wells's arc on Spider-man has replaced it. Because for everything Nick Spencer did to try to bring Peter and MJ back together, (even though they ultimately broke up in it) Zeb Wells, with his arc, sought to permanently sever the relationship. Like at least Joe Quesada didn't give Mary-Jane a husband, illogical superpowers, and (imaginary) kids. One More Day created member-berries bachelor Peter, but Zeb Wells sought to make Peter into a pathetic antihero-turned-occasional-supervillain (see Spider-Goblin). I've read the new Peter Parker, and he's decades of character growth, undone in seconds. He both causes the accidental death of Ms. Marvel, and gets constantly saved by her at key moments for no logical reason, except that Ms. Marvel is a spider-character now apparently.
Ben Reilly really does seem like one of those character's that could benefit from adaptational simplification, similar to Madelyne Pryor. I hope the new Spider-Man animated show introduces him for 1 episode as a clone controlled by the Jackal, then have him freed & get the Ben Reilly/Scarlet Spider name & costume.
@ProjectTaku I just wish Across The Spider Verse had a more accurate adaption of him and he had more of a role in the movie. It would’ve been cool to see his 90s universe animated.
@@fabioherrera859 that was actually my introduction to him, but he's more Kaine with Ben's name, which is weird since they introduce a new version of Kaine later. In fact, am I the only one who's questioning why they made the other Spider-Man clone in the comics the hero Scarlet Spider? Why couldn't Kaine stay a villain?
He appeared in 2 episodes in the Spiderverse finale of the 90s Spider-Man cartoon ahd managed to make a good impression. Peter of that universe lost May, then Jackal cloned Peter, but neither knew who was the original. This stress caused Peter to become Spider-Carnage. He was a really cool variant.
Personally for me my favorite thing about Ben Riley scarlet spider is well him being a uncle to mayday Parker spider-girl the daughter of Peter Parker and Mary Jane and having her meeting uncle Ben Riley would’ve been really awesome and super cute in my opinion.
Unironically I love Ben Reilly/The Clone Saga so much. It's such peak comic book nonsense, it's impossible for me to not adore. Also the classic Scarlet Spider outfit is incredible, my go to in the Sony Spiderman games
Love Scarlet Spider. When I was a kid in the 90s I didn't understand the clone saga at all, but I loved the design. While I got older and was able to understand what was going on, my love for the character only grew. Now I own a Scarlet Spider miniature for display purposes. Awesome.
I'm going to have to push back on Scott "kicking Maddie to the curb," since I just read all this: he spent a good long time reaching out to her after he left to check on the Jean situation (Maddie having told him that if he left he shouldn't come back), with him eventually taking a sabbatical to see what was going on with her, leading to another whole big mess. He was a big wreck over everything that was happening to all three of them. My favorite detail of all this, by the way, is every time Scott opens his wallet, pictures of both Jean and Maddie fall out, and whoever sees this says "Wow, these are two great pictures of what is clearly the same woman!"
The way Scott and Maddy separated has been so widely misconstrued by people online that people just believe he fully cheated on his wife or something. People just reiterate that idea, without having read the actual story, so it's just accepted fact online that Scott cheated on Maddy, or 'kicked her to the curb' which isn't true, and conpeltely ignores how severely torn up and guilt he was over the whole thing, and also ignores the fact that Maddy was (retconned to be) a literal clone of Jean specifically engineered to have a baby with him as part of a diabolical plot by a 200 year old super villain. Like, did Scott handle that situation the best? No. But I feel like we should be cutting him a lot more slack than he gets....
@nikhilkapoor428 one of the most underrated marvel comics. That was the same year we got Beta Ray Bill Argent Star, another severely under rated marvel comic
Really hope we get a Scarlet Spider adaptation some day (whether it be a show, game, movie, etc.) I especially would love to see Insomniac do a Scarlet Spider game set in a different location (maybe Las Vegas) instead of just reusing New York.
Hey Nando great video as always but I would recommend to anyone who plays snap to pick up scarlet spider if they can. He’s a card that will always be good and will infinitely get better as he scales with other buffing cards. So the more powerful cards get the better he gets.
Not sure if I should put Dark Web as a recommended read for Ben, unless you mean it as a way of of underlining how Marvel really doesn't know what to do with him
Does Nando have, like, a Marvel Snap creator code or something? I wanna try it, but I need Marvel to know that Nando, the guy who writes all the Marvel stuff, sent me.
Ben was royally screwed in dark web. Maddy got Jean’s memories and Jean could’ve given Ben, Peter’s memories at the end, but didn’t. Maddy goes “I got what I wanted, buzz off”. An event of plot induced stupidity.
I wonder how long the videos for the various Symbiotes are gonna be, I know nothing about them, but would be surprised if the random ones had much going on
Personally, I'm a big fan of the Scarlet Spider from Ultimate Spider-Man, I've seen some flack for the show but its the one I'm most used to and I think Ben is a fun character in there with his sarcasm and dry humor, plus his stingers are badass. They didn't do a ton with his storyline besides getting like three episodes centering on finding his origins, and it mostly follows the basic idea that the comics set up, backstory wise, just far less complex. Kaine is also there. But they suit swapped, so Kaine's outfit is now Scarlet Spider's (161 version) I'm not a comic reader so if I'm missing anything I'd love to know!
My biggest issue with the handling of Ben Reilly in the last 10 years is that the writers have to omit the actual reasoning which is given as to why Ben is the way he is now. The thing missing from Ben is Uncle Ben in his heart and mind. Even when he lost his memories he didn't recognize why his own name as Ben. Janine calls his name unaware that it had meaning outside of just being his name and he rolls with it. Peter never places two and two together even when Ben kept saying it felt like he was missing something important and that he needed his help to get it back desparately. When Maddie gets her memories back from Jean who in an instant realized... oh you just want the Nate back no sweat here you go. Maddie just says... welp guess all is good. Ben why are you so mad? Ben listen to reason. Ben stop. Not once going... hey I could just mind meld the two like Jean did us and now we're all gucci. Nope! Ben must be stop... I cannot fathom why he's soooo evil.
hey nando i don't know if you are doing these videos for sponsorship or whatever but I just wanted to say that if you ever jumped into a gaming channel or smth related to games, I would veery much enjoy it, and I bet a lot of other subscribers would too, so I just hope you consider it. But anyways, great video as always.
They had something good, despite the mess, they couldve ended it well at different points, him becoming a new spiderman while Peter moved on, but they blew it
Really, Ben Reilly has Got to be One of the More Complex Characters and Spiders Out There. Really, Guy Grew A lot More as a Spider. Hope to See Him Actually Get His Actual Greater Development Later On Once he goes back to being his Actual Self........ But, Really, The Likes of Jessica Drew has Actually Got to have Some of the Most Crazy, Chaotic, and Confusing Origins Out There. Like, Really, So Many Retcons Here and More Origins being some of the Most confusing out there. Being a Mutated Spider to being an Agent of Hydra, All that Stuff. Really, just Some of the Most Complicated Out There........
I was about to correct you, telling you that "no, it actually wasn't Madelynn Pryor - it was QUEEN GOBLIN, AKA a disenfranchised clone of Ashley Kafka," because in the past I got excited by the X-Men connection too, and was disappointed to learn that I was wrong. But no. Ben Reilly is straight up connected to both GOBLIN QUEEN AND QUEEN GOBLIN. In roughly the same arc, no less. AND THEY'RE BOTH EVIL CLONES. What's up with that?
My theory is that at some point, somebody working on a comic got confused and drew Madelynn Pryor, not knowing there was a new character with an almost identical villain name and backstory. Then they ran with it, because they kind of had to.
I tried Marvel Snap and I lost because I played a card with 0 effects and some guy played a card with the same stats but a bonus effect which was a strictly better version of the card I just played that I assume must be a paid card from a pack or something. So I narrowed my eyes and said "fuck you" and uninstalled the game.
"that's right Peter, I'm you and you're me, and this... is a gun."
Man it's so weird that when it comes to live action, the 70s tv series is the only one to ever do the clone thing (I know it's not comic accurated... but sort of counts... or not?)
It's pretty funny that, as messy as the clone thing is, it's nowhere near the most unpopular thing Marvel has done with Spider Man (looking at you, One More Day)
And Paul lol
I think we can say that One More Day ISN'T the worst thing to happen to Spider-man anymore, and I think most people would agree.
Wells's arc on Spider-man has replaced it. Because for everything Nick Spencer did to try to bring Peter and MJ back together, (even though they ultimately broke up in it) Zeb Wells, with his arc, sought to permanently sever the relationship.
Like at least Joe Quesada didn't give Mary-Jane a husband, illogical superpowers, and (imaginary) kids.
One More Day created member-berries bachelor Peter, but Zeb Wells sought to make Peter into a pathetic antihero-turned-occasional-supervillain (see Spider-Goblin). I've read the new Peter Parker, and he's decades of character growth, undone in seconds. He both causes the accidental death of Ms. Marvel, and gets constantly saved by her at key moments for no logical reason, except that Ms. Marvel is a spider-character now apparently.
@@gannonkendrick9343 Character growth is for losers! Peter should stay the same forever!
Definitely my favorite Spider-Man clone.
It's hilarious that he has so many this statement is possible.
@@OtakuJuanma2 Lol 😭
Since the ps1 spiderman game, rhe Scarlet Spider costume has been ny favorite. It's simple, but its iconic.
Ben Reilly really does seem like one of those character's that could benefit from adaptational simplification, similar to Madelyne Pryor. I hope the new Spider-Man animated show introduces him for 1 episode as a clone controlled by the Jackal, then have him freed & get the Ben Reilly/Scarlet Spider name & costume.
@ProjectTaku I just wish Across The Spider Verse had a more accurate adaption of him and he had more of a role in the movie. It would’ve been cool to see his 90s universe animated.
He actually got a simplified origin with the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon, the first Spider-man cartoon under Disney
@@fabioherrera859 that was actually my introduction to him, but he's more Kaine with Ben's name, which is weird since they introduce a new version of Kaine later. In fact, am I the only one who's questioning why they made the other Spider-Man clone in the comics the hero Scarlet Spider? Why couldn't Kaine stay a villain?
He appeared in 2 episodes in the Spiderverse finale of the 90s Spider-Man cartoon ahd managed to make a good impression.
Peter of that universe lost May, then Jackal cloned Peter, but neither knew who was the original. This stress caused Peter to become Spider-Carnage. He was a really cool variant.
Personally for me my favorite thing about Ben Riley scarlet spider is well him being a uncle to mayday Parker spider-girl the daughter of Peter Parker and Mary Jane and having her meeting uncle Ben Riley would’ve been really awesome and super cute in my opinion.
I'd love to see more of that definitely
@@spideym35i same here as well. ;)
Unironically I love Ben Reilly/The Clone Saga so much. It's such peak comic book nonsense, it's impossible for me to not adore.
Also the classic Scarlet Spider outfit is incredible, my go to in the Sony Spiderman games
Love Scarlet Spider. When I was a kid in the 90s I didn't understand the clone saga at all, but I loved the design. While I got older and was able to understand what was going on, my love for the character only grew. Now I own a Scarlet Spider miniature for display purposes. Awesome.
I'm going to have to push back on Scott "kicking Maddie to the curb," since I just read all this: he spent a good long time reaching out to her after he left to check on the Jean situation (Maddie having told him that if he left he shouldn't come back), with him eventually taking a sabbatical to see what was going on with her, leading to another whole big mess. He was a big wreck over everything that was happening to all three of them. My favorite detail of all this, by the way, is every time Scott opens his wallet, pictures of both Jean and Maddie fall out, and whoever sees this says "Wow, these are two great pictures of what is clearly the same woman!"
The way Scott and Maddy separated has been so widely misconstrued by people online that people just believe he fully cheated on his wife or something.
People just reiterate that idea, without having read the actual story, so it's just accepted fact online that Scott cheated on Maddy, or 'kicked her to the curb' which isn't true, and conpeltely ignores how severely torn up and guilt he was over the whole thing, and also ignores the fact that Maddy was (retconned to be) a literal clone of Jean specifically engineered to have a baby with him as part of a diabolical plot by a 200 year old super villain.
Like, did Scott handle that situation the best? No. But I feel like we should be cutting him a lot more slack than he gets....
I am so glad JMD wrote Ben Reilly: Spider-Man (2022) because I really like him now.
@nikhilkapoor428 one of the most underrated marvel comics. That was the same year we got Beta Ray Bill Argent Star, another severely under rated marvel comic
Really hope we get a Scarlet Spider adaptation some day (whether it be a show, game, movie, etc.) I especially would love to see Insomniac do a Scarlet Spider game set in a different location (maybe Las Vegas) instead of just reusing New York.
@jackyjordan5642 hopefully he shows back up in Beyond the spider verse and we get to see him fight noir
I have no real reason for this, but I always thought Ben should set up shop in Chicago.
Really weird how this video just ended five minutes in, but I guess nothing happned after Ben died thr first time.
Man, I loved Ben when I was a kid.
The hoodie costume was so cool in the 90s
I’ve always loved that costume so much
I’ve been waiting for this one for a looooong time!
Andy Sandburg played this character well in Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse!
@WaterMeLoan64 hopefully he comes back in Beyond and gets more to do
Da Snap lore king is back baby he neva miss we're eating good today y'all
Title: Who is Scarlet Spider?
Answer: Marvels punching bag
That is also Peter Parker dude
@@fabioherrera859 I don’t know I think Ben has it worse both in universe and in editorial
@@Wezt334 fair enough.
Love your videos, Nando. Watching these got me hooked on your movie content too. Great stuff!
14:09 he also appeared in the 90s Spider-Man cartoon
Love his costume
Brode! Get this man a Snap Creator thingy Stat!
Hey Nando great video as always but I would recommend to anyone who plays snap to pick up scarlet spider if they can. He’s a card that will always be good and will infinitely get better as he scales with other buffing cards. So the more powerful cards get the better he gets.
Not sure if I should put Dark Web as a recommended read for Ben, unless you mean it as a way of of underlining how Marvel really doesn't know what to do with him
Great job man on Ben riely scarlet spider it’s fantastic
I love the Scarlet Spider costume so much
Does Nando have, like, a Marvel Snap creator code or something? I wanna try it, but I need Marvel to know that Nando, the guy who writes all the Marvel stuff, sent me.
Ben was royally screwed in dark web. Maddy got Jean’s memories and Jean could’ve given Ben, Peter’s memories at the end, but didn’t. Maddy goes “I got what I wanted, buzz off”. An event of plot induced stupidity.
I wonder how long the videos for the various Symbiotes are gonna be, I know nothing about them, but would be surprised if the random ones had much going on
I started reading Spider Man comics in the 90s specifically because of the Scarlet Spider suit.
"Spider-Man's Clone with Problems"
Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down? -Blight (Batman Beyond)
Personally, I'm a big fan of the Scarlet Spider from Ultimate Spider-Man, I've seen some flack for the show but its the one I'm most used to and I think Ben is a fun character in there with his sarcasm and dry humor, plus his stingers are badass. They didn't do a ton with his storyline besides getting like three episodes centering on finding his origins, and it mostly follows the basic idea that the comics set up, backstory wise, just far less complex. Kaine is also there. But they suit swapped, so Kaine's outfit is now Scarlet Spider's (161 version) I'm not a comic reader so if I'm missing anything I'd love to know!
My biggest issue with the handling of Ben Reilly in the last 10 years is that the writers have to omit the actual reasoning which is given as to why Ben is the way he is now. The thing missing from Ben is Uncle Ben in his heart and mind. Even when he lost his memories he didn't recognize why his own name as Ben. Janine calls his name unaware that it had meaning outside of just being his name and he rolls with it. Peter never places two and two together even when Ben kept saying it felt like he was missing something important and that he needed his help to get it back desparately. When Maddie gets her memories back from Jean who in an instant realized... oh you just want the Nate back no sweat here you go. Maddie just says... welp guess all is good. Ben why are you so mad? Ben listen to reason. Ben stop. Not once going... hey I could just mind meld the two like Jean did us and now we're all gucci. Nope! Ben must be stop... I cannot fathom why he's soooo evil.
"He's like, 'Peter gets all the breaks'..."
Has Ben ever met Peter Parker?
hey nando i don't know if you are doing these videos for sponsorship or whatever but I just wanted to say that if you ever jumped into a gaming channel or smth related to games, I would veery much enjoy it, and I bet a lot of other subscribers would too, so I just hope you consider it. But anyways, great video as always.
If you haven't, check out the new mini series,, Chasm: The Curse of Kain. Had a solid first issue.
They had something good, despite the mess, they couldve ended it well at different points, him becoming a new spiderman while Peter moved on, but they blew it
Ah the 90s Clone Saga. Where even the writers admitted they had no idea what was going on.
If they ever add kaine youll have to call him Spider-mans clone with more problems lol.
spider-hobo-man, with trenchcoat and beard powers xD
god i love ben reilly he's my fave spider-man-adjacent-character
I thought this was going to be much longer 😂
Really, Ben Reilly has Got to be One of the More Complex Characters and Spiders Out There. Really, Guy Grew A lot More as a Spider. Hope to See Him Actually Get His Actual Greater Development Later On Once he goes back to being his Actual Self........
But, Really, The Likes of Jessica Drew has Actually Got to have Some of the Most Crazy, Chaotic, and Confusing Origins Out There. Like, Really, So Many Retcons Here and More Origins being some of the Most confusing out there. Being a Mutated Spider to being an Agent of Hydra, All that Stuff. Really, just Some of the Most Complicated Out There........
I’m genuinely surprised that this video isn’t like an hour long 😂
All I'm saying is if Sony cared about making a good venom verse they would've made their spider guy Ben Reilly as an anti hero type
So if Peter is Cyclops and Ben is Havok, that would mean that Kaine is Vulcan, right? So who would be Teresa Parker?
I was about to correct you, telling you that "no, it actually wasn't Madelynn Pryor - it was QUEEN GOBLIN, AKA a disenfranchised clone of Ashley Kafka," because in the past I got excited by the X-Men connection too, and was disappointed to learn that I was wrong.
But no. Ben Reilly is straight up connected to both GOBLIN QUEEN AND QUEEN GOBLIN. In roughly the same arc, no less. AND THEY'RE BOTH EVIL CLONES.
What's up with that?
My theory is that at some point, somebody working on a comic got confused and drew Madelynn Pryor, not knowing there was a new character with an almost identical villain name and backstory. Then they ran with it, because they kind of had to.
Love Ben as a character. Wish Marvel would stop shi**ing on him. But they also can’t stop jerking Peter around, so that tracks I guess
if hell could be rated, he could he has suffered
All I can say is
Poor Poor Ben
Even across the spider verse seems to hate him lol
I tried Marvel Snap and I lost because I played a card with 0 effects and some guy played a card with the same stats but a bonus effect which was a strictly better version of the card I just played that I assume must be a paid card from a pack or something. So I narrowed my eyes and said "fuck you" and uninstalled the game.
Fans of Linkara are now crying in frustration, or remembering something hilarious.
Hmm sounds like it should move and leave a clone behind lol
Is it me or does the intro feel like it's playing at 1.1x speed?