Chris Pin this comment! Just for you and everyone reading this...I don't care if we win 5.0 gold or a pro match you will be "3.5 Forever" which is the highest level attainable in PUPR (PickleballWill's Universal Pickleball Rating)
After seeing this video I realized two things: 1. The “3.5 at best” is not a joke (I thought it was). It’s really true….at least for Chris 😄 2. Vatic Prism Flash beats DBD and whatever Will was using 😊…and a lot cheaper too!
So nice of Will to come down a level and help out his 3.5 buddy medal in a 4.5 tournament. 🤣 No but seriously, love watching actual tournament footage from you guys and I hope for more posts like this in the future. Congratulations Chris and Will!!!
Would love to see a Briones breakdown on this match. Would be interesting to hear his insights since ya'll have had tutorials from him. Definitely would love to see more from you guys!
Both teams showed great teamwork. Supported each other throughout the match. Other team was just a bit more consistent with their resets and speedups. Nice playing guys!
@@PickleballWill Haha I know right - so unfortunate that it was technically "not good enough" 🤣. It really did look like you became a character in Mario Tennis and that was your character's special shot or something 🎮...it was surreal looking. If you count style points it was a walk off winner. 🥾🥾
The best advice I can give after watching this is, just because you can speed up a ball doesn't mean you should. You're better off trying to force your opponent to error than you are hitting a winner. Great game boys.
Same comment here. Will n Chris would have played better with their soft game. Their skill level was defintely at 3.0-3.259 😂😂😂 Lots of practice required to level up but attainable. All the best!
The old guys held together pretty good. It became apparent the young guys had played together a lot. Over all it looked like a lotta fun which is what PickleBall is allll about, right?
Idk what’s worse, Chris’s hand speed or Chris switching up the stack as if he was cooking with the strategy 😂. All seriousness though, thanks for posting. It’s awesome seeing the podcast legends play!
Good effort, guys! A couple of points, though: (1) In tournaments you must identify a weakness in your opponents game and relentlessly exploit it. For example, Jamon and AJ were comfortable with your dinks and drop shots, but had problems with handling drives. You should have used this play (4:43) over and over again. Maybe you had some kind of strategy for this match, but I did not see it. (2) Chris must improve his put away shots - too much arm, not enough wrist. You won this point (26:38), but it should have been over after the 3rd shot, or 5th shot, or 7th shot 😀 Look forward to see you guys at one of the tournaments!
Fun to see you guys play! You may have to officially burn the 3.5 at best shirts. Most 3.5 at best peeps don't make it to a 4.5 gold medal match. Unless we're considering will a 5.5 player, then your math still works... lol
A fun video would be you and Will (maybe part of the podcast) is watching this match and going through thought process/strategy, what you guys could have done better, etc.
building on the comment regarding Jordan doing a break down, it would also be interesting to hear Chris and Will's strategies and tactics heading into the match and how they changed during the games. Especially since they have played this team before.
For the double black do you run any lead tape? I've been playing for a little over a month and am thinking about getting the double black for control but I each players preference and playstyle go into where and how much lead tape go into their paddle.
Yeah I was mixed about the PF16 until I got it dialed in with lead tape. Paddle came in stock at 7.8 oz, with lead tape and over grip now plays at 8.42 oz. More stable, added control and a touch more spin. Bought it as a back up to my Joola, now it's my go to paddle.
Fun to watch! I think the difference was the other team made fewer errors than you guys in this match. Could go a different way next time around. Saw your comment about the copyright claim. I think that even if it’s a valid claim, and I’m. It sure that it is, it is ridiculous that they would make it! It’s a video YOU made of YOUR team which YOU edited and placed on YOUR channel. The fact that company logos are displayed and can be seen in the background does not give them a copyright to your match!
I can’t imagine how long of a day that was in triple digits! I think there should’ve been a best of 5 match, they were fresh and I assume y’all had been sitting for over an hour
This looked like one of those games where the better team just beat themselves. Not knocking Jamon and AJ, it just seemed like Chris and Will were barely missing stuff they'd typically easily make, as well as just hitting those weird outlier mishits way too often - probably a result of fatigue and/or nerves. The winning team was rock solid and steady but didn't outshine you from a mechanics or court IQ standpoint.
I watched the great match on the far side. Just kidding! Great match. Nice integrity on both sides. All joking aside - I’m a 3.5 at best and could easily hang with you guys. 😂
I thought you guys had it figured out that putting Chris on the left was the way to go. You had it figured out in the first game but stopped doing it then figured it out again in the 3rd to 15 near the end. Should've kept it going.
I'm sure fatigue contributed to a lot of the mistakes, would like to see some of the games where you guys dominated! tbh, Chris seemed like a more solid player this match...Will was like a rollercoaster of highs and lows haha but congrats guys and good luck at nationals!
Great video. I enjoyed seeing you in action. Your discussions with Will seem to indicate that sandbagging while prevalent is somehow a victimless act. Real 3.0s and 3.5s have no where to play tournaments if 4.0+s are playing down. Most 3.5 matches on youtube that I have been able to look up seem to all have 4.0 even 4.5+ DUPR rated players playing in them. I would love it if when you mention tournaments you also say if that tournament reports to DUPR and requires players to play in the correct division for their DUPR as well as their age.
Blocking defense on Will' backhand kept on getting into the net. Both needs to work on their defense to keep the ball in play. Add two handed blockings in their arsenal consistently...it seems like off and on.
Fun to watch (even if the outcome wasn’t what we wanted), but it’d be much more entertaining if you had some sort of commentary playing over it (either serious, funny or some combination).
I love you guys, you're tremendous ambassadors of the game and...well, I'm going to try to be constructive. What I saw...You guys played very good defense but so did they and you were on defense more often. PB Will - your backhand volley can be lethal but I was surprised at how many dink-type shots you put in the net. Chris - I think you should take the time to command even a slightly more powerful paddle. On multiple occasions you had put away opportunities where your shots just lacked enough power to end the point (not a huge difference in power would be required). They won more hand battles and I saw that you were elevating the ball more often than bringing those battle strikes lower- that's not the DBD doing that. You guys hit way too many drives in the net. Footwork? Swinging too hard? Heavy topspin droppy shots with some pace can often be more effective especially when your hit zone opponent is racing toward the kitchen line. I know the DBD is all the rage but it's too tame for me and now I can see why it should stay at home. Have you tried the Black Diamond Pro for a week? I put some lower lead on the PB Apes Pro Energy S and the DBD will never be in my bag again.
May I suggest the 3 on 3 PB league for 45 and older. You find a 3rd partner and I get you three fake ID's. And were talking more trophies then Ben Johns and Anna Lee combined. See you in Bloomington for more battles and belly laughs.
You mention your opponents are playing with Vatic PRISM Flashes... is that correct?? That is Vatics lowest tier paddle, which isn't what I would expect at this level. If it IS correct, I might need to reconsider a more control oriented paddle to get to the next level!
I’m surprised you and Will kept hitting yo the kid with white shoes. The kid with red shoes was struggling to get the ball over the net. You guys should have won gold.
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Chris Pin this comment! Just for you and everyone reading this...I don't care if we win 5.0 gold or a pro match you will be "3.5 Forever" which is the highest level attainable in PUPR (PickleballWill's Universal Pickleball Rating)
is that pronounced "pupper" or "pooper" 🤔
I like that your edge guard tape matches ur outfit. Imma steal that idea. thanks swaglord
@@ipe0nu glad to be of service 🫡
After seeing this video I realized two things:
1. The “3.5 at best” is not a joke (I thought it was). It’s really true….at least for Chris 😄
2. Vatic Prism Flash beats DBD and whatever Will was using 😊…and a lot cheaper too!
@@cameronmiller7788 This was the video that caused SixZero to Collab with Will over Chris for the triple black diamond
So nice of Will to come down a level and help out his 3.5 buddy medal in a 4.5 tournament. 🤣 No but seriously, love watching actual tournament footage from you guys and I hope for more posts like this in the future. Congratulations Chris and Will!!!
So much to breakdown here……..
Should I do it ???
@pickleballwill @pickleballstudio
Yes
You have too!!
Absolutely!
Yes!
Would love to see a Briones breakdown on this match. Would be interesting to hear his insights since ya'll have had tutorials from him. Definitely would love to see more from you guys!
That would be great
We need a break down!
Ohhh he just asked us for the file so Chris and I are bout to get absolutely roasted by @brionespickleball
@@PickleballWillLove to see it. Hopefully NO MERCY lol.
This was great to watch. It does take an honest, genuine gentleman to play a gentleman's game. LOVE IT!
Both teams showed great teamwork. Supported each other throughout the match. Other team was just a bit more consistent with their resets and speedups. Nice playing guys!
Great watch, for a 4.0/4.5 player, like myself, there’s a lot to learn from videos like this 👏🏻👏🏻
Oh my. You UA-cam viewers are so gosh darn insightful. Thank you so much for all these unsolicited tips. SAID NO ONE!!!
That spin move Will did at 19:51 was too good 😆
That spin move is life! 🤣
No joke that was so clean 😭
Too bad we still lost that exchange 😭
@@PickleballWill Haha I know right - so unfortunate that it was technically "not good enough" 🤣. It really did look like you became a character in Mario Tennis and that was your character's special shot or something 🎮...it was surreal looking. If you count style points it was a walk off winner. 🥾🥾
The best advice I can give after watching this is, just because you can speed up a ball doesn't mean you should. You're better off trying to force your opponent to error than you are hitting a winner. Great game boys.
All the best players hit speedups
Same comment here. Will n Chris would have played better with their soft game. Their skill level was defintely at 3.0-3.259 😂😂😂 Lots of practice required to level up but attainable. All the best!
@@ryanb3721 At the right time, yes.
this was so much fun to watch!!!! Please post more of the games!!!! Loved watching and cheering you both on!
Great games! And great sportsmanship on both sides.
Great editing moving from point to point...nothing but action in the video. Thank you.
I think its awesome you posted this even though you lost...lots of people only post wins. Great overall effort!
Great playin'! Was fun to watch. Good job by both teams!
I played with these guys in November in juniors at nationals! Glad to see they are now playing 4.0
@@mbr05c yea mis-type
The old guys held together pretty good. It became apparent the young guys had played together a lot. Over all it looked like a lotta fun which is what PickleBall is allll about, right?
Haha yeah, they are brothers that live on the road. They play a lot together 😂😂
Old guys? Chris looks pretty young to me. Will is definitely older than Chris but not an old guy!
@@ljbar2015 Awww, sounds like your sweet on these two .... - All in fun. :)
Seemed like the team that sped up first typically was favored in winning the point... solid play, especially for playing for like 10 hours lol
Oh... this comment section should be fun! 🍿🎉
Much better video quality than anything the PPA or APP streams.
09:25 in by a mile 😂 😂
This was a fun watch! Thanks for posting.
This was good content Chris. Love the raw game footage. Keep 'em coming. And congrats on getting to the gold medal match. Nice job!
Idk what’s worse, Chris’s hand speed or Chris switching up the stack as if he was cooking with the strategy 😂. All seriousness though, thanks for posting. It’s awesome seeing the podcast legends play!
great job guys! Great effort! fun to watch
Great content right here. need more of his!
Jamon and AJ are so good..
Good effort, guys! A couple of points, though:
(1) In tournaments you must identify a weakness in your opponents game and relentlessly exploit it. For example, Jamon and AJ were comfortable with your dinks and drop shots, but had problems with handling drives. You should have used this play (4:43) over and over again. Maybe you had some kind of strategy for this match, but I did not see it.
(2) Chris must improve his put away shots - too much arm, not enough wrist. You won this point (26:38), but it should have been over after the 3rd shot, or 5th shot, or 7th shot
😀
Look forward to see you guys at one of the tournaments!
Will’s back must be on fire from carrying you 😉. Great game all around, congrats on a great showing.
Chris paying for my Chiropractor bills
I am so proud of you boys, good good girl and love you❤ I am so proud of you boys congratulations❤
Fun to see you guys play! You may have to officially burn the 3.5 at best shirts. Most 3.5 at best peeps don't make it to a 4.5 gold medal match. Unless we're considering will a 5.5 player, then your math still works... lol
need more content like this please.
Congrats on the SILVER!
Awesome!
This is some solid pickeball fellas
A fun video would be you and Will (maybe part of the podcast) is watching this match and going through thought process/strategy, what you guys could have done better, etc.
Good run guys! Fun to watch, a few less unforced errors and it will be yours to win.
building on the comment regarding Jordan doing a break down, it would also be interesting to hear Chris and Will's strategies and tactics heading into the match and how they changed during the games. Especially since they have played this team before.
Chris it's official, you are 4.5 at best
For the double black do you run any lead tape? I've been playing for a little over a month and am thinking about getting the double black for control but I each players preference and playstyle go into where and how much lead tape go into their paddle.
awesome camera angle. thanks for the footage!
I like how the zoom changes as all 4 players reach the kitchen. I assume that's easy to do with a particular bit of software - anyone know what it is?
Thanks for posting and loving your content! What's your setup to record? The video quality looks so solid it's like i'm there lol
Just an iPhone on a small tripod!
Would you recommend lead taping the Vatic Prism Flash? Still on the fence, if so where?
I added some and it made the paddle feel more stable for me
I did put lead tape for the prism flash on the four corners, It made it feel a lot more stable and a little bit more powerful.
Yeah I was mixed about the PF16 until I got it dialed in with lead tape. Paddle came in stock at 7.8 oz, with lead tape and over grip now plays at 8.42 oz. More stable, added control and a touch more spin. Bought it as a back up to my Joola, now it's my go to paddle.
@@jamononishchenkoIs your Prism Flash the new 14mm? They look thinner than 16mm.
@@PickleballYallI play with the 16mm
Tough luck guys, silver ain’t bad 👍
Shout out to Zach on the left court reppin' MPC!
Are you using the 16mm or 14mm double black Diamond
Which paddle did you guys use ?
What do you use to record matches or practice or rec games?
iPhone
Fun to watch! I think the difference was the other team made fewer errors than you guys in this match. Could go a different way next time around. Saw your comment about the copyright claim. I think that even if it’s a valid claim, and I’m. It sure that it is, it is ridiculous that they would make it! It’s a video YOU made of YOUR team which YOU edited and placed on YOUR channel. The fact that company logos are displayed and can be seen in the background does not give them a copyright to your match!
I was waiting for Will to do the "Batman"
They would have blocked it easily...called it the "Joker"
@@PickleballWill lol even tho he was denied, good to see @PickleballStudio go for the Yates attempt 😆
I sleep good when I play pickleball seriously.
I can’t imagine how long of a day that was in triple digits! I think there should’ve been a best of 5 match, they were fresh and I assume y’all had been sitting for over an hour
What camera were you using to film these games??? Super clear
Just my iPhone
I bet Daryl Wang was happy you lost to Vatic Flash Prisms haha. Those kids must’ve had those weighted up.
4.5? Sign them up, MLP
GG guys. Some great shots! Get 'em next time.
Chris got Filthy! Great match. The brothers were used to playing together.
you used the DBD 14mm?
This looked like one of those games where the better team just beat themselves. Not knocking Jamon and AJ, it just seemed like Chris and Will were barely missing stuff they'd typically easily make, as well as just hitting those weird outlier mishits way too often - probably a result of fatigue and/or nerves. The winning team was rock solid and steady but didn't outshine you from a mechanics or court IQ standpoint.
What setup/camera do you use to record your matches? This is great!
Just my iPhone
22:14 "gyatt"
I watched the great match on the far side. Just kidding! Great match. Nice integrity on both sides. All joking aside - I’m a 3.5 at best and could easily hang with you guys. 😂
22:10 nuts shot
I thought you guys had it figured out that putting Chris on the left was the way to go. You had it figured out in the first game but stopped doing it then figured it out again in the 3rd to 15 near the end. Should've kept it going.
Stopping half way through the vid.
The 3.5 Jokes are done.
Wil can never say that joke again until he proves his worth back.
I'm sure fatigue contributed to a lot of the mistakes, would like to see some of the games where you guys dominated! tbh, Chris seemed like a more solid player this match...Will was like a rollercoaster of highs and lows haha but congrats guys and good luck at nationals!
Great video. I enjoyed seeing you in action. Your discussions with Will seem to indicate that sandbagging while prevalent is somehow a victimless act. Real 3.0s and 3.5s have no where to play tournaments if 4.0+s are playing down. Most 3.5 matches on youtube that I have been able to look up seem to all have 4.0 even 4.5+ DUPR rated players playing in them. I would love it if when you mention tournaments you also say if that tournament reports to DUPR and requires players to play in the correct division for their DUPR as well as their age.
Blocking defense on Will' backhand kept on getting into the net. Both needs to work on their defense to keep the ball in play. Add two handed blockings in their arsenal consistently...it seems like off and on.
Are those 3.5 Ben johns and Tyson mcguffin?
Why was Chris stacking left sometimes?
It was working, so we would use it until it didn’t work.
@@PickleballStudio Thank you! Great effort guys! Thank you for putting the match out there. I love Chris and Will's channels.
love pb hate the "yeahs!!"
Fun to watch (even if the outcome wasn’t what we wanted), but it’d be much more entertaining if you had some sort of commentary playing over it (either serious, funny or some combination).
3.0 now , Chris
@Briones Pickleball hopefully you can get a chance to comment
Dudes name is ham.
Lmao few people will get this but that was a good one
@@jessemorgado1297 my Mexican brothers and sisters willl understand 😭
Had to look it up😊
Should’ve unleashed backwards hat Chris.
So funny, in the final game you go from 2-10-2 with Will serving, to 3-10-2 and Chris takes back over serving again😂. Nobody even noticed
I love you guys, you're tremendous ambassadors of the game and...well, I'm going to try to be constructive. What I saw...You guys played very good defense but so did they and you were on defense more often. PB Will - your backhand volley can be lethal but I was surprised at how many dink-type shots you put in the net. Chris - I think you should take the time to command even a slightly more powerful paddle. On multiple occasions you had put away opportunities where your shots just lacked enough power to end the point (not a huge difference in power would be required). They won more hand battles and I saw that you were elevating the ball more often than bringing those battle strikes lower- that's not the DBD doing that. You guys hit way too many drives in the net. Footwork? Swinging too hard? Heavy topspin droppy shots with some pace can often be more effective especially when your hit zone opponent is racing toward the kitchen line. I know the DBD is all the rage but it's too tame for me and now I can see why it should stay at home. Have you tried the Black Diamond Pro for a week? I put some lower lead on the PB Apes Pro Energy S and the DBD will never be in my bag again.
Frances baker black said pickleball is too competitive my opinion is if she played more she wouldn't feel that way.
PPA reinstated a come around for gold for this tournament? I thought if you lose once you can only win bronze?
For golden qualifiers they brought it back
Rematch at nationals? 🤣
If we get put in the same bracket haha That would be so fun
A 4.5 on the east side of the country looks like a solid 3.5 out here in Utah I guess lol
Chris, your 3.5 days are over. What happen to those left over 3.5 the Best T-shirt? Let me know when there is discount.
Tyson mcguffins clone on the far court
What hurts more? Hitting a serve return into the net OR moving out the way for a ball that lands 2 feet in?
May I suggest the 3 on 3 PB league for 45 and older. You find a 3rd partner and I get you three fake ID's. And were talking more trophies then Ben Johns and Anna Lee combined. See you in Bloomington for more battles and belly laughs.
Wow will did an amazing job, looks like chris is not mentally in the game.
Looks like you guys were way worn out by this point in the day. Congrats on the Silver, though!
Chris and Will make a lot of unforced errors and in general their shot selection is a bit off but great match regardless
Homie in the black…. 3.2 at best… can’t reset or dink properly. Sets his partner up to get killed. Got carried by the guy in pink.
Gives me hope 😅
You mention your opponents are playing with Vatic PRISM Flashes... is that correct?? That is Vatics lowest tier paddle, which isn't what I would expect at this level. If it IS correct, I might need to reconsider a more control oriented paddle to get to the next level!
stacking in this game is so wack
I’m surprised you and Will kept hitting yo the kid with white shoes. The kid with red shoes was struggling to get the ball over the net. You guys should have won gold.
You lost to Jamon y Queso?
wait you're a 4.5 player??? i donttt think so lol
This is the 4.5 bracket of a tournament, not that they are 4.5 players
@@douglasmurdoch7247this is easily 4.5+ ???
This doesn’t look like 4.5 level play.
People are notoriously bad at seeing levels
Meh, 3.5 at best.
To much unforced error
This honestly not that impressive for 4.5
I don't understand how this is 4.5
Because you, like everyone else, don’t understand what you look like when you play
I feel like I could beat these guys ngl