Shopsmith Challenge: 21 Operations, 9 Tool Changes, High Quality Results, No Safety Short-cuts.
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- Опубліковано 24 сер 2024
- Shopsmith machines require tool change-overs, which takes time compared to standalone tools. But, what no one talks about is all the ways Shopsmith is much faster and more efficient than individual tools.
#shopsmith #woodworking #challenge
The Challenge
- 1 camera shot, not edits
- 1 x 3 x 36 inch Read Oak
- Using dust collection
- Using all guards
- Following manufacture's instructions
My Steps
1. Table saw - trim each end using a cross cut blade.
2. Table saw - cut a 5/8ths inch dado using a dado stack.
3. Disc Sander - sand each end using a course grit (60 - 80).
4. Disc Sander - sand each end using a medium grit (120 - 180).
5. Disc Sander - sand each end using a fine grit (200 - 300).
6. Table saw - rip about 3/16ths inch from each side using a rip or combination blade.
7. Table saw - cut the 4 shoulders of a full tenon on each end using a dado stack.
8. Table saw - cut a rabbet on one side using a dado stack.
9. Drill Press - Bore two 3/4 inch hole through the face about 8 inches apart.
10. Router - cut a 3/8ths inch deep stopped groove connecting the center of the two 3/4 inch holes.
The Challenge
- 1 camera shot, not edits
- 1 x 3 x 36 inch Read Oak
- Using dust collection
- Using all guards
- Following manufacture's instructions
My Steps
1. Table saw - trim each end using a cross cut blade.
2. Table saw - cut a 5/8ths inch dado using a dado stack.
3. Disc Sander - sand each end using a course grit (60 - 80).
4. Disc Sander - sand each end using a medium grit (120 - 180).
5. Disc Sander - sand each end using a fine grit (200 - 300).
6. Table saw - rip about 3/16ths inch from each side using a rip or combination blade.
7. Table saw - cut the 4 shoulders of a full tenon on each end using a dado stack.
8. Table saw - cut a rabbet on one side using a dado stack.
9. Drill Press - Bore two 3/4 inch hole through the face about 8 inches apart.
10. Router - cut a 3/8ths inch deep stopped groove connecting the center of the two 3/4 inch holes.
Great video / demo. Thank you for doing it. FYI, for the non Shopsmith owner’s, part of the joy of using the Shopsmith is understanding all that it will do and how to do it.
Thanks Richard!
Well done. I think you could “move faster” with practice, but the point of your video is more about the average user, doing common operations.
I’m sure I’m not alone in this, but I never make an effort to optimize my time with my Mk V.
It’s all shop-time, and it’s all enjoyable to me.
I’ve seen many YT videos of ShopSmiths in use, but never one quite like this.
You nailed it, Tim!
Tim… I agree.
Nicely done Tom.
Many thanks!
Very nice demo Tom! I think this goes a long way in dispelling the myth of time spent in change-overs and I appreciate how safely still was your priority. Woodworking is a hobby for me as well as for most persons I know. I do it for enjoyment and relaxation. In my opinion if someone can’t spare the little time it takes to change modes on a Shopsmith they are missing the point of woodworking.
Thanks James. Glad you enjoyed it! I agree it's worth the extra time. Even with standalone tools I see people on UA-cam avoiding changing their table saw blades and band saw blades because of the hassle of the change. They end up using the wrong blade for the task which doesn't do the job it should.
Tom, that was quite a complicated demo. A lot of operations… a good variety… and, use of several time savers…
I don’t mind changeovers. I don’t fret about the time they take. Nor, do I worry about them being complicated… because I have practiced them for over 35 years.
But, what about new users?
I think that this demo can serve as a learning tool for them… one that can help lower their anxiety and help them enjoy the journey.
PS: I remember a changeover from tablesaw to late duplicator last winter. Without any prior prep… without thinking it through… I just turned on the camera and did the changeover.
From power off to alignment and material mounting I didn’t make one false move, incorrect order of operations or search for misplaced item.
A football game was on in the background… so, I made the entire change without trying to hurry or really concentrating too hard.
Before I knew it, it was complete. I looked at the camera and realized that although I had turned it on… I never hit Record! I had no idea how long it took.
Was I upset? No sir. It struck me that I had just done that changeover from rote memory… without error… and, enjoyed every minute of it.
I mentioned the journey above… enjoying it makes the destination so much more rewarding!
Thanks Dave! I see a lot of "change-over anxiety" in UA-cam videos. Even on stand-alone tools. People don't want to change the blade so they make the cut with less than optimal tooling.
I'm mostly jealous of your giant filter sock on your dust collector. It's so YUGE. Very bigly. 😁
Great video Tom, I'm sure the haters will say "Yeah, but you didn't use any setup tools at all. How do you even know what depth you cut those dados?" 😉
Hey Tim, you have the Shopsmith DC right? You can get a 42 inch hood rated at 1 micron. www.shopsmith.com/ownersite/catalog/dc_filterhoods.htm
As far as specific dado depth, I did eye ball it so you can say I didn't take the extra time to measure. But, if some one were to repeat the challenge they could eye ball it too.
@@woodshopnerdery Yup, I have the DC. I just haven't found the money yet to buy the big chef's hat for it yet. 😉
#Priorities
Fine job.
I love the idea of the shop smith the motor being the most important and expensive component of any tool why not introduce some modularity but I’m not sure it’s the best way to implement that idea but I also love anyone who dares to be different.
In the 1920s and 30s Delta had a different multi-tool concept. Consumer electric motors were rare and expensive and a 3/4 HP motor was considered "HUGE." Also, some regions were not fully electrified, meaning no electricity, or only wired for lighting, or only electricity to the house and not the barn or garage where the workshop would be. Delta sold belt driven tools that could be ganged together and belt powered from a single electric motor or gasoline engine. It saved the consumer a lot of money since the motor was one of the most expensive components.
I've had a shopsmith for 25 years. Over the last 8 years I've aquired quite a few stand alone pieces of equipment for my larger sop that isn'tmy garage. I love my ShopSmith and use it on every projects. That said, none of my projects require this many operation changes on one board. Ever. It's wonderful to have 6 or more arbors with all the blades and discs, and I love having the ShopSmith for a second table saw and sander. However, I don't think this demonstration of changeovers proves much for most real projects. Again, I loved my ShopSmith as my only tool and probably love it more as a do all auxiliary tool in a more traditionally well equipped shop.
Thanks Rex. I guess my projects are more complicated. for the Stickley Book shelf the middle rail had 4 mortises, 2 tenons, and a groove. For the folding chair build, a lower leg has 3 slots, a groove, and 3 mortises.
Well done.
@@woodshopnerdery the bravado of this reply from you actually surprised me lol, also the only applications you saved time in was switching the table saw blades, which could have been done with a router anyways
excellent show. My dad had one for years and used it several times a week. I'm 70 and also own one and have enjoyed all of the uses. Thank you for the continued content. Great demo.
Thanks for sharing, Dwight!
Very good planning, layout and use of tools. I wondered about need for respirator. Some work done alongside dust collection bag, a dusty area. Also, some cutting done without dust collection hooked up. Thanks for showing us how to do it! Travis
Nicely done Tom. I think it’s possible that someone could do it as fast maybe even faster but I think you proved your point that going from 1 operation to another is just a fraction of the time invested and relatively simple. Thanks for another honest video.
Thanks Chris, I think the 2 head scratchers on doing it faster are the table saw blade changes and changing the abrasives on a disc sander. I think the fastest way to do this sequence would be with 3 saws and 3 disc sanders pre setup.
Well done, Tom. Showing is always more compelling than telling.
I personally would have needed a written and detailed checklist for the steps to make sure I stayed within the procedures that were explained at the introduction of the video, or without doing a lot if rehearsals to keep it in one take. I could not have done all of that in one take without stopping to think of what is next without that checklist even with out the rehearsals.
Also, when I used Tom's recommended 25% playback speed of the video, I found that I started to bleed from my ears, but stopped bleeding when I muted the sound. Other than that, it was a great video, and well worth the time and the effort that Tom put into the planning and demonstration.
Thanks Chad. Yes, I had a list to work from for sure! It was actually taped to the parts table so it would not fly away on me. You can see me stare at it in the video several times.
good video sir.
i think the most time sink is changing operations that need the power head to change. you did most with the table saw set up ( good planning ) but if you had to switch to ban saw and other attachments the shopsmith would be slower than stand alone tools. even with that in a small shop space the shopsmith rocks.
Thanks Mike. I'm not sure the Shopsmith Bandsaw would be slower than a stand alone band saw.
For one, Shopsmith owners buy an extra motor and make a stand, or buy a Shopsmith Power Stand or Power Station. Or they can do what I did and make a compact "Shop Deputy" out of a cheap used Shopsmith Mark V.
And then there is the blade change issue to consider. The Shopsmith band saw has an auto tracking feature, that might just make the Shopsmith faster to get setup.
@@woodshopnerdery I guess it would depend on having a stand alone tool set up for what you do all the time vs you do 1 off jobs every time. The set up time is the longest part of most cuts.
It sure is for doing machining when I have to mill parts at work.
Today I made some cake platforms for my niece who is getting married. I did use a sliding miter saw to cut two 6 x 6 hex shaped boards and the sanded the ends smooth. I used my band saw to cut the circles using the circle cutter. Then used my ss router table to round the edges. Then I cut 1” dowels to length 2” and 4” )3 each. Changed to drill press mode and because the band saw has the offset mount, it was just a simple drop in, tighten the blade and go. I drilled 3 holes in two of the larger bases using a Forster bit. I fastened the hex shaped bases on the smaller cake plates. All in all couple of hours start to finish. Changes from router, drill press, disk sander, and band saw. Very satisfying afternoon.
@@daveschmitt6369 sounds like a good day.
Well done. I like how you were humble, and it’s a realistic demonstration whereas with a professional salesperson who does the change ups full time you always wonder in the back of your head how fast could a “normal” person do it (not knocking on the professionals, it’s simply a given they would and should be fast)… also bearing in mind you have spent more than a few minutes with your Shopsmith… but still very realistic and reasonable.
Thanks Devinski!
Impressive! Thanks for a great video!
Thanks for watching!
Thanks Tom! Well done. I hope you (we) aren’t preaching to the choir! After 30 plus years I have drug reluctant wood workers to my shop and built something never had any of them leave saying anything derogatory about my SS as they did prior to the visit!
Thanks Bob! I think I’m just sort of tired of the “saves space” argument being the only good thing people talk about. I’m going on the offense and saying, no it’s NOT overall slower and no it’s NOT overall more expensive. Maybe I give the choir some ammunition for their next debate.
@@woodshopnerdery and by the way why is speed of a project so critical? I am slow and deliberate so that 1) I enjoy the craft 2) my craftsmanship suffers if I speed up and 3) my coffee dose get cold before I can get it finished! 😝 I guess as a hobbyists I’m just don’t understand why speed means so much to folks who just aren’t in a production environment.
@@bobwebberkc Great point. There is no rush anyway.
With Woodshop Nerdery flair! Another inspiring video. I need a dust extraction.
Dust collection is a must, James!
Great video, Can't wait to see if anyone is up to the challenge .
I noticed you are not using the Shopsmith dust collector, either do I anymore. I think my shop vac or my HF dust collector are better.
Thanks Gary! I doubt anyone will take the challenge, but we can illustrate that Shopsmith has other strengths other than "saves space." Yes the original DC3300 had a 1/2 HP motor. I don't own one and can't test it, but based on specs comparison there is no way it moves 330 CFM after adding the 3 way splitter and 10 feet of 2.5 inch hose. Probably more like 120-140 CFM, which puts you in the ShopVac range.
I am happy with my dust collector for now. I did several videos on it if you want to look at those. But eventually, I would like to upgrade to a 1.5 HP system like the Oneida Dust Gorilla.
Well done Tom.
The only thing I see as a draw back is the size of the table and table tilt to cut angles.
The tilting table does take some getting used to, and IMO it's more awkward than a tilting arbor in many use cases. That's one of the compromises the designers accepted in making a multipurpose tool. But in some cases, it's a solid benefit. For example, the angle of the tilted table can be set and used across multiple operations such as sawing, cutting, and boring, giving perfectly matched angles. As for the table size...yes, it looks small. But the available support surface can be greatly expanded by the use of the extension table and floating table. If you have additional floating tables, they can be used to create a large infeed and/or outfeed support surface. With a little ingenuity, the "table size" of the Shopsmith can be larger than any cabinet saw.
You did well in dispelling the number one myth. Although doing it in four times speed, you should have had some "sweating to the oldies" music going on. 😁
Thanks Daniel. I always think of the Benny Hill theme song.
Unbelievable job. Thank you.
Many thanks, Larry!
I don't think it's faster than standalone tools, that's just a silly idea. But it is cool that the shopsmith can do all those different tasks. I used to love watching their infomercials in the late 80's/ early 90's.
I have no doubt this challenge would take well over an hour if not more for your standalone tools, unless you have 3 table saws and three 12 inch disc sanders setup and ready to go.
Really cool experiment. I am pretty sure I could beat your time, provided:
1. I can swap out any function for a different stationary tool, for example: utilize radial arm saws for crosscutting, tenons and dados.
2. I could have my dado stack pre-stacked to the right width. That step takes me forever lol.
I might need to give this a try tomorrow.
Wayne, I think your right. The fast way to do this sequence would be with three saws and three disc sanders.
That was very interesting, Tom. I would bet with some practice like the Shopsmith demonstrators of years ago you could reduce that time dramatically. I'll have to throw in a "cheap shot" and say that it made me tired and sore watching you move that fast. lol Maybe I'll have to watch it again at the slower speed. :) The older I get the slower I go. Very well done.
Thanks John, glad you liked it!
Nice demo. I can't do it any faster cuz I'm also Shopsmith guy. I've never used the disk to sand end grain. I remember seeing it in the old infomercials from the 80's though.
It makes sanding end grain a breeze!
Well done.
Thanks!
Nice job, Tom. I'm surprised you didn't have a dust collection jig for drilling. I recently picked up a vacuum accessories kit from Powermatic that I plan to use. Care to share a bit about your sacrificial fence setup?
The sacrificial fence is just 3/4 plywood attached with sliding t-nuts. I find when using a fence in drill press mode there isn't a great way to use dust extraction that is not in the way.
lets see you repeat the same thing plus a few deep cuts with a 12 inch wide by 2 inch thick piece of hard Maple. Also use bandsaw and lathe( something small in diameter like dowel or pen) and jointer. I think motor hp be issue for harder wood and lathe has very little adjustment to something small unless you buy expensive tool rest attachment. Nice that you have a disk and arbor for everything different that you need but that is again more money to spend. Do not see how this is cheaper option, or space saving as you need to store all the attachments. I like my shopsmith but it is not better than stand alone tools or cheaper.
Give a list of tools that you think are both BETTER and CHEAPER than the 7 core functions of a Mark 7. Also record your own video and post on line showing how you do this challenge faster with stand alone tools, Looking forward to getting that link.
Ripping about 2.5 Inch thick wood of various species.
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Nice challenge! I would be curious how someone like myself who has never used a ShopSmith would do compared to someone like yourself who has used them for years.
On one hand, a new user, to any tool, could be slower that an experienced one. On the other hand that new user may know of an innovation in technique that revolutionizes how things "used" to be done. Some times "fresh eyes" are as valuable as experienced ones.
@@woodshopnerdery True! Sometimes a fresh set of eyes is needed, and can be useful.
You made a video that no one responded to this video, so you must be right….. well you have a few thousand followers and most are Shopsmith types, so you don’t have a sample size of anything.
Second, your test is bullshit and specifically tailored part to be one woodworking challenge that caters to the Shopsmith, and do the task in a specific order that favors the Shopsmith..
First, I don’t know any wood workers that would sand the end of the board with 3 different grits right off the table saw. All those operations were unnecessary and added to pad the shopsmith advantage. You also needed to own 2 additional sanding disks which is not standard from shopsmith.
You then sequence changes from a regular saw blade to a dado stack to use the advantage of the shopsmith as that can be a pain in a table saw.
If you allowed someone to make the part with other tools in the order that makes sense for their tools, this would not be a challange. Typical set up would be with a table saw, router table, chop saw, drill press or dowel jig with and skip the sanding operation you tossed to pad your result.
Cut to length with chop saw, chop saw has clean enough edge for joint. You could probably set up the router table to do both your dado and the corner detail with the same setup with some pre-planning and minor changes, but the table saw can be set up for a dado if you really need it that way as you cross cut with a chop saw and it’s sitting there. Boring is done with a simple hundred dollar dowel jig or you can use a different method that uses your woodworking style and not a weird feature of the Shopsmith that no one uses.
I can set up a similar challenge for you with my tools that you would have a really hard time keeping up as well on that Shopsmith and be anything close to safe.
I love my shopsmith, but i have had to swap out a lot of the tools to make the work 8 do fast and safe after to many close calls on the shopsmith.
I think you get my point. Shopsmith haters always point out the strengths of their own tools and never acknowledge the weakness of their own tools. They never acknowledge the strengths of the Shopsmith. So yes, I pointed out Shopsmith strengths.
Sanding end grain to a higher grit helps control absorption of stain and finishes where end grain is exposed. End grain absorbs more finish than face grain so will appear many times darker. One way to make the absorption and therefore the color more even is to sand the end grain to a higher grit that the face grain. A disc sander is a great way to do that since it won't round over the edges like an ROS.
@@woodshopnerdery if he end grain is a place where you will be putting finish, you will be sanding the entire piece and should leave the tenon long so it is sanded perfectly flush…. After it is assembled. Your task was made up and no one would do it that way. You are faking a result.
@@woodshopnerdery justify the operation all you want, no one does it like that on the regular and there are other ways to deal with that. Certainly didn’t need 3 sanding grits. You still gamed the challenge for the benefit of the Shopsmith.
Being I have 2 shopsmith, and a bunch of other tools, I think I can very much call your challenge a sham. There is a reason you find shopsmiths in small shops and nowhere else. Great tool for a small space but I can still make a better tool inside an assemble table…. So once you go from 2x8 storage area to 4x8… game over.
@@Qwiv yes its a game, and the haters game the system against shopsmith in favor of their own tools. Can you come up witha sequence of steps that would fairly challenge the pros and cons of all systems? Make. Video of it I'm sure people would love to see if.
@@woodshopnerdery make a pattern plywood panel. I don’t need to prove the hypocrisy as you have 2 shopsmiths…. Proving 2 is better than one.