The same can be said of LBJ. He had the means and the cronies, the connections, and evidence is there for all to clearly see. It was his ONLY way to become President. He wasn't going to wait another 6 years and he was paranoid of Nixon and practically everyone.
I wholeheartedly agree. Vietnam was Lyndon Johnson's disaster MUCH more than JFK's. Kennedy did escalate it far beyond what Eisenhower had ever done, but it was still manageable at the time of JFK's death. At that time he was wrestling with himself over which way he should go there. It was after the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution that LBJ escalated it ridiculously.
I'm not inclined to join arguments about RN vs. JFK (I like aspects of both), but I am firmly convinced that Khrushchev would never have foolishly tried to put nukes in Cuba had Nixon been Pres. K. knew Nixon (Kitchen Debate and K's trip to US) and his rep as a hardliner. K. thought he could push JFK around because he was not seen as such a hardliner and because of his waffling over the Bay of Pigs. At any rate, JFK handled the crisis properly and questions about Nixon must remain "what-if's."
That is an interesting thought. But would a counterpoint to that be Nixon would have supported the Bay of Pigs with US airpower? And if he had, would that have pushed the Soviets to make a move on Berlin?
The Soviets put missiles in Cuba because JFK put missiles in Turkey in 1961. Strangely, JFK remarks to Bundy “It’s as though we put missiles in Turkey”. Bundy replies “We did”.
Kennedy and Nixon came up through Congress together after WWII, and knew each other. After the 1960 election, Kennedy was briefed on the Bay of Pigs plan.He got cold feet. In 1963 Nixon was pretty much out of politics at that time. Kennedy went to Texas because of sagging poll results and popularity. Kennedy asked Eisenhower about his opinion on Vietnam, and was told he should not get into a land war there. Who knows what would have happened if he lived.
Nixon was NEVER out of politics as THIS recording ABOVE makes plain. Having narrowly lost the presidency in '60 and the California Governorship in '62, Nixon WAS now forced into playing the long game. By THIS point in late July, 1963 Nixon had no shot at the 1964 Republican Prez nomination, and unless dramatic future events were to unfold, that would remain the case for some time. As it serendipitously turned out for him & many like him, however, Dallas happened 4 months later, changing the entire game from that point forward. Nixon was shrewd enough to know when biding his time was his best and most productive play/strategy, and what would be the best time to put the throttle into gear. All that aside, however, couldn't agree more w/Jack about the "Dick", uh, Mr. Nixon.
JFK went to Texas bc he was completely bombarded and browbeat by all of LBJ's cronies, underlings. Kennedy had just been to Houston 2 months prior and all was well. He fought hard to not go. Jackie wrote that the argument and yelling he had about not going was the most angrily, loudest she'd ever heard her husband ever. LbJ wouldn't let up and he relented. JfK and Nixon were good friends on the private level with much mutual respect. Nixon knew the psychological paranoid behavior of LbJ. And kept away from him. Though LbJ pushed him away as far as he could.
Kennedy did not get cold feet on the Bay of Pigs invasion. The CIA, under Allen Dulles, went behind Kennedy's back and changed the plans for it. Kennedy fired Dulles, and though Dulles was on the Warren Commission, I don't think he was involved in JFK's assassination. Still, Dulles was a thug who did overthrow democratic governments for his own financial gain.
JFK started making these recordings because someone suggested that he do it so that he could use the tapes to write his memoirs. He sometimes forgot that he had the tape on - sometimes left it on by accident. It probably never occurred to him that these recordings would be made public. This is all we've got in terms of his memoirs. He started recorded in June, 1962. Too bad we have no recordings from 1961 when his generals wanted him to make a first strike (nuclear) on the Soviet Union.
Or on Cuba on April 17 (1961), when he courageously refused to take the CIA bait in them going ahead with their (Ike-Nixon '60) plan they thought could sucker him into it when he said prior that he would not provide the critical air support! The CIA double-crossed him in going ahead, knowing it would fail just to embarrass him to the whole world. That is when he made his famous vow on the CIA: "Tear them into a thousand pieces and scatter them to the wind!" He fired Director Allen Dulles in Nov. 1961 and the Deputy Director--whose brother was then, and 2 years later, the Mayor of Dallas!
JFK was practical and didn't think there was Congressional support for civil rights legislation - and said so. Already unpopular in the South because of his Catholicism, he feared losing the South in 1964 and losing the election. A practical concern. Once he realized this was an issue that could not wait any longer, he made his civil rights speech (one of his best) and presented legislation to Congress. As expected, his popularity dropped to the lowest point in his presidency.
One of those 'Freedom Rider" buses had a friend of R.F.K.'s (a white man from the Dept. of Justice) on board once, and he was beaten at a stop along with everyone else.Civil Rights really became a priority then.
Most of the freedom riders were white. Far, far too many racist and / or ungrateful blacks out of hateful hate and jealousy forget to acknowledge these truths and ,oh, BTW, to say THANK YOU!
In 1961 in a small mining town in Western Pennsylvania, there was a little song the the kids used to sing Kennedy Kennedy he’s our man Nixon belongs in the garbage can.
Yet when they were both congressmen in the 40s Nixon was JFK's favorite luncheon companion...in fact, John's Father Joe contributed money to Nixon's campaign for the senate when he ran against Helen Gahagen Douglas (democrat)...did you know that?
Yea,I remember that.I was living in West Newton,Pa,had just turned 5 years old at 1960 election time.Think it went "Kennedy,Kennedy,he's our man,he'll put Nixon in the garbage can".
It's not so much under his breath as trailing off. Most accounts suggest Nixon felt something other than antipathy for Kennedy. It was far more complex. If you believe Oliver Stone (and I wouldn't advise it), Nixon was obsessed with JFK. Consumed with envy. I'm sure that Nixon was envious of Kennedy's looks, charm, style and all the rest of it. But Nixon was no fool. He was a sharp political operator.
In real life, Nixon and Kennedy were on good terms with each other...in presidential libraries I read some of their telegrams to one another on the birth of children etc...also they went to lunch with each other often in DC and Kennedy's Father contributed to Nixon's senatorial campaign in California.
True, JFK didn't jump on the bus with the Freedom Riders. And though he may have made condescending statements about minorities (trust me, as a minority I've heard far worse remarks), he made many efforts to support integration and equal opportunity employment. In fact, JBK made sure the National Guard bearing his body to Arlington was integrated due to his complaint on Inauguration Day about the lack of integrated troops. If you're looking for a good RFK/LBJ book, 'Mutual Contempt' is great!
@johnny511000 Faulty logic. JFK's father Joseph may have called in some help from mafia contacts to win Illinois, but according to journalist/syndicated columnist Jack Anderson, it was done w/out JFK's knowledge-& he was extremely angry when he found out about it. Mafia apparently thought JFK should treat them better bc of it, & were angry when he didn't. He & RFK were against organized crime, & I respect JFK for not caving in bc of the election. His integrity gave him a right to criticize Nixon
Whether he personally was aware of it is not most important, most candidates are not told about or doing their own dirty work, its kept arms length or several layers away for obvious reasons. There is still significant evidence that it did occur and likely from his father's connections.
@williwo Actually, both Kruschev and Castro had a great respect and admiration for Kennedy. Khrushchev said as much in his memoirs. Brothers, the book which came out two years ago about Jack and Bobby confirms the Castro claim.
No matter how negative his comments are about Nixon in any of these tapes. They pale in comparison to the pettiness and negativity expressed by Nixon about JFK on the Nixon tapes.
I agree with what you're saying, although the timing of Kennedy's Civil Rights speech (the same day as George Wallace barring the doors at U of Alabama) seems like a reactionary decision. Wallace's actions, and his arrogance, infuriated JFK. He responded with announcing the bill and sending it to Congress eight days later--pretty fast work! I think it was less about planning than it was about finally getting as mad as Bobby. Good analysis though! He was definitely walking on thin ice.
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Respectfully, he threw his hat into the ring. He knew that even drumming up support for the Civil Rights movement was a hot button topic with voters. If he had truly wanted to avoid controversy, he would have waited until after '64. True, he did not push for Civil Rights before his proposal in June of '63, and between then and November he had Berlin, the NTBT, and Vietnam on his plate. But he still made the committment in his speech. The sad truth is, we'll never know what he would have done.
Kennedy made a huge political gamble in '63 when he pushed for the Civil Rights bill. Had he been able to run in '64 this initiative could have lost the presidency for him. Nixon wouldn't get out of Vietnam until after he had won his second term.
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Kennedy was generally an honest politician compared to most of the people in government and truly wanted to make progressive change like getting rid of Allen Dulles after the Bay of Pigs and intending to retire Hoover as FBI director in 1965. So he had a lot of enemies inside the government who would have wanted to see him eliminated.
darryl runnels -- that's a common misconception. Kennedy won the popular vote and Electoral College, even with Chicago hanky panky figured in. There was vote buying in Southern Illinois counties that went for Nixon.
Not only was Allen Dulles fired, Deputy Director of the CIA Charles Cabell was fired by JFK as well. Why is that significant? Because Cabell's brother Earle was the Mayor of Dallas, TX and the brothers' father and grandfather were former Mayors of Dallas, TX.
No, no reference to Nixon as an SOB. Maybe the poster's opinion! But JFK does call Nixon "unreliable" and "very unhelpful". Privately his view was probably much saltier.
bio2020 Ironically, Kennedy's favorite companion for lunch in DC when both were congressmen was Nixon. Also, his daddy Joe senior donated to the Nixon campaign for senate when he ran against democrat Helen Gahagen Douglas in California. Joe shared Nixon's view of her as a pinko...'the pink lady'.
Nixon's smoothing of relations with the Soviets and Chinese was pretty shrewd, but his intention wasn't at all about creating peace. He just wanted his other policy of dropping bombs on the Indochinese region to not be interfered with. So his detene policies weren't successful in the way that he still failed to save 'Nam, Cambodia, and Laos from Communism. In fact, bombing them further into the stone age only weakened capitalism's chances to win out in the region.
;) That's certainly me (albeit with a better tan than I have today...winters in Seattle are awful). Murder? No, I haven't tried that, only a free drink at the bar. And my powers of persuasion go beyond a wink and a smile. Apparently when JFK asked for LBJ's opinion in meetings, he sided with the President, believing that the VP shouldn't show dissent in front of other advisers. This exasperated JFK, who liked to have a variety of views to consider. LBJ felt muzzled while JFK thought him useless.
Just saw Frost/Nixon, fantastic (if not faithful to history), really humanizes Nixon. LBJ hated RFK, but admired JFK tremendously in the Senate--not for his politics as much as his extracurricular activities. 1960-1963 were tough years for LBJ, however. He could have easily started hating JFK, though probably not as much as he hated Bobby. Well, if a cute face doesn't help my case...wait...you did say, 'not necessarily'...;) Thanks for the compliment!
@BartA22 OK< perhaps I'm exaggerating, but it seems to me that Nixon's admin (via Kissinger) managed very well in the 70s, while the Kennedy administration sowed some huge future problems in Vietnam and other issues Impossible to say how Nixon would have dealt with Cuba, but perhaps he wouldn't have let it even get to that stage? Suspect that history's view of Nixon will be kinder in the long term.
Hahahaha this is an absurd take. @mookie2637 How about how JFK handled the Cuban Missile Crisis? How about his views of the third world? His promotion of peace? Commitment to not get into a war into Vietnam? Oh but that’s right Nixon and Kissinger opened us up to China so all of our manufacturing jobs would be gone by the 90’s
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@@daubs4641 Is it? Look at outcomes. For example, under Kennedy, despite "good intentions", involvement in Vietnam only grew and grew. Under Nixon, despite his probable or actual lies and crimes, it did ultimately end. On China, that was a real breakthrough and (I'd suggest) on jobs that was inevitable with spiralling labour costs in the west. On Cuba, as others point out here, Krushchev probably would not have pushed Nixon to the same point. I'm not the first to make this observation btw, although it's loaded with subtleties, what-ifs, etc. Nor does it constitute any comment on the worth or values of either man (Nixon was just awful...)
Dude you're full of shit. Kennedy inherited a bunch of crap he had to deal with while the the CIA was trying to run our foreign policy behind his back. Get a grip on reality.
Here is the line in question. It starts at about the 1:00 mark. ".....fine with me, but I would hate to have Nixon to be able to say that he was used by us, the lying son of a bitch". The 15 to 20 seconds prior to that sentence provides some context. Apparently Nixon was talking to the Portuguese about Charles de Gaulle claiming that Kennedy supported de Gaulle. This was not true. It was also not helpful at all at this time since de Gaulle very much opposed Great Britain from joining the EEC at around this time and in fact vetoed their application in public. Kennedy was in a dispute over this with de Gaulle that was strong enough that he threatened to remove all American troops from European soil.
Nah....try reading "Rush to judgement" by Mark lane, and "six seconds in dallas" by Josiah Thompson, 2 of the most respected books on the JFK assassination....
Nick, you are wrong about Nixon here. Everyone who's done in depth research on Nixon knows that he was something close to obsessed with the USSR & China (the latter because he believed that it would inevitably become a leading world power because of its large population and strong culture and civilization). He wrote about China before becoming Pres, and made many diplomatic trips to both countries after he left office. For him, Nam was the unwanted distraction from his larger geopolitical goals.
@punkvideo Richard Nixon is credited for having a strong record on foreign policy, but his record on domestic policy - especially on Civil Rights at home is often overlooked. During his years as vice president under Dwight Eisenhower, he sought to ensure minorities - especially African Americans - weren’t discriminated against in federal contracts. He also worked with Congress to spearhead the Civil Rights Act of 1957, sweeping legislation and a precursor to the landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of 1965. When he reached the presidency, Nixon sought to expand economic opportunities for African Americans by ending discrimination in the work place, through the endowment of black colleges with federal funds, and helping them find meaningful employment through job assistance programs, and promotion of entrepreneurship - an initiative called “Black Capitalism.” In 1970, perhaps the hall mark of the Nixon administration’s Civil Rights policies, Nixon sought to end the decades old and egregious tradition of segregated schools for black and white children throughout the nation, predominantly in the Southern states. Nixon as Vice President on Civil Rights The Eisenhower administration accomplished much in the area of Civil Rights. It was President Eisenhower who integrated the armed forces, promoted more blacks into the federal bureaucracy than his predecessors, and appointed federal judges, and lawyers in his justice department, who supported racial justice. In 1954, the World War II general also sent U.S. National Guard troops to integrate Little Rock’s Central High School to enforce the 1954 unanimous Supreme Court ruling in Brown v. Board of Education, which held that “separate educational facilities are inherently unequal,” and overturned a half century of Court precedent which stated otherwise. Shortly before taking office in 1953, Eisenhower signed an executive order creating an interdepartmental body, the President’s Committee on Government Contracts, succeeding the Truman administration’s Contract Compliance Committee, to combat discrimination among contractors retained by the Federal Government. Eisenhower selected Nixon to chair the committee, a move that highlighted its importance. The board made up in influence what it lacked in enforcement power, and Nixon used his chair to meet and forge relationships with Civil Rights leaders including Martin Luther King, Jr., Ralph Abernathy, and NAACP director Roy Wilkins; lobby companies to end discrimination; encourage African American ownership of businesses and employment to executive positions. During his second term as vice president, Nixon shepherded through Congress the Civil Rights Act of 1957, the first Civil Rights legislation since reconstruction. The 1957 legislation empowered the Justice Department to prosecute Civil Rights cases through a newly established Civil Rights Division, and allowed federal prosecutors to obtain court injunctions when the citizens’ right to vote was being obstructed.
@@claytonrowe8103 with the hidden health problems JFK. had, he probably would not have aged very well. teddy was the only one of the four brothers to live into old age. I remember hearing him say that his brothers would probably have aged better then him....it was a sad comment
Actually I have seen somewhere an age progression photo....white hair, a little heavier in the face...kind of like what Cary Grant looked like later in life..
Some folks have given some negatives here. But it is true, there were strange things going on with the Republican side in Illinois. Its just not out there in the popular culture. Check Wikipedia & other sources. It's not that simple - there are many opinions on this.
You are off on Nixon's number! He had 219 (not 235). If he won Illinois (27), he would only have 246, so he would have also had to win Texas (24) to get to 270 which in 1960 the majority to win was 269. Sen. Harry Byrd.(VA) got 15 electors. The final result was: Kennedy 303, Nixon 219, and Byrd 15. 537 electors, so only 269 needed, not the 538 and 270 starting in 1964.
@williwo Actually Kennedy did NOT bring us Vietnam. While he expanded the number of advisors he repeatedly fought with memebrs of the military and actually had to strong arm McNamara into following a specific policy line. Kennedy had scheduled a withdrawal from Vietnam when he was killed. the Bay of Pigs was Nixon's and the CIA's idea; Kennedy really found out about it on the day it happened.
Richard Nixon had NOTHING to do with Kennedy's Bay of Pigs disaster. Just because you don't happen to like him doesn't make it so. There is no evidence that JFK had "scheduled"a withdrawal from Vietnam, and even if he had, he could have - but didn't - make it happen. I'd cure cancer if I could. I have it on my schedule. With JFK and that whole family, politics ALWAYS came first. Doing the right thing sometimes came as an afterthought, but never before winning elections.
ChrisDutch. Unfortunately for this popular theory, historians and evidence are saying, not so true. There is some evidence that LBJ was actually following closer to Kennedys plan than many want to admit. We will never know it Kennedys alleged drawdown/ pullout would have happened.
Well, it was probably best for the country that Agnew wasn't any closer to the WH than he already was...JFK really tried to make sure LBJ was alerted to Cabinet meetings and would get angry when his staff forgot to invite him, but it was on a personal level, not professional. RFK was JFK's "No. one-and-a-half". lol NOT a lush! Just have a lot of of party-loving Asian girlfriends (we can't hold tequila) who like cocktail hour but wish we could save on liquor for dancing shoes!
I wish I could go back to November 22 1963 in Dallas, Texas, then just as the Presidential limo passes the TSBD, wave my magic wand and make JFK and Nixon trade places.
Instead of a magic wand I'd rather use chloroform and duct tape, then make sure Oswald was found on the morning of the Presidential visit among the boxes of his putative sniper nest with the business end of his Carcano 91/38 up his ass and a used cartridge on the floor next to him.
George H.W. Bush was over 100 miles away at a fundraiser with scads of witnesses. Nixon was on his way home long before Kennedy landed. Bit by all means-don't let facts screw up your socialist fantasies.
Lyin' Lyndon ( Johnson ) was an undercover republican in the democrat party. Study the Murchison Meeting the night before the assassination. Lyin Lyndon and the republicans were all there together. Connolly was shot because the shooter thought they were shooting senator Ralph Yarborough, who was scheduled to ride in the presidential limo. Luckily for Yarborough Kennedy made him ride with Lyin' Lyndon even though it was well known the 2 despised each other. The assassins were out to kill Kennedy and Yarborough both. Instead they killed Kennedy and wounded Connolly.
I know President Kennedy was not in a good mood on July 25 1963. Listen to the furniture call on same day hes was a steaming
"Ahr they crazy ovah theyah?"
Big JFK fan here, but I don't want any president assassinated. Not a good thing to wish on anyone.
Notice, that whatever he may have thought of Nixon, JFK never precluded using Nixon as a resource. JFK always found a way to keep his options open.
1:00 JFK: "If John wants to do it it's fine with me, but I'd hate to have Nixon be able to say that he was used by us. Lyin' sonofabitch."
"Most people are unaware of the tremendous burden I must bear, I am the only thing standing in the way of Richard Nixon and the White House."
-JFK
Kennedy was an incompetent boob compared to Nixon.
The same can be said of LBJ. He had the means and the cronies, the connections, and evidence is there for all to clearly see. It was his ONLY way to become President. He wasn't going to wait another 6 years and he was paranoid of Nixon and practically everyone.
"Who did it..Kennedy..who was it!?"
"Put it this way, look to who's at the top...the only difference is I wasn't willing to kill for it"
- Nixon
LBJ said the same about JFK. That's politics, and back then politics was interesting, unlike today.
Johnson greatly escalated our involvement in Vietnam, not a good policy at all.
I wholeheartedly agree. Vietnam was Lyndon Johnson's disaster MUCH more than JFK's. Kennedy did escalate it far beyond what Eisenhower had ever done, but it was still manageable at the time of JFK's death. At that time he was wrestling with himself over which way he should go there. It was after the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution that LBJ escalated it ridiculously.
I like how instead of saying good bye at the end of the call they just say ok fine and hang up lol boss
I'm not inclined to join arguments about RN vs. JFK (I like aspects of both), but I am firmly convinced that Khrushchev would never have foolishly tried to put nukes in Cuba had Nixon been Pres. K. knew Nixon (Kitchen Debate and K's trip to US) and his rep as a hardliner. K. thought he could push JFK around because he was not seen as such a hardliner and because of his waffling over the Bay of Pigs. At any rate, JFK handled the crisis properly and questions about Nixon must remain "what-if's."
Very good..nixon is a good man
That is an interesting thought. But would a counterpoint to that be Nixon would have supported the Bay of Pigs with US airpower? And if he had, would that have pushed the Soviets to make a move on Berlin?
The Soviets put missiles in Cuba because JFK put missiles in Turkey in 1961. Strangely, JFK remarks to Bundy “It’s as though we put missiles in Turkey”. Bundy replies “We did”.
He knew he could push JFK around and did
Nixon was more tested and wiser than JFK.
Kennedy and Nixon came up through Congress together after WWII, and knew each other. After the 1960 election, Kennedy was briefed on the Bay of Pigs plan.He got cold feet. In 1963 Nixon was pretty much out of politics at that time. Kennedy went to Texas because of sagging poll results and popularity. Kennedy asked Eisenhower about his opinion on Vietnam, and was told he should not get into a land war there. Who knows what would have happened if he lived.
Nixon was NEVER out of politics as THIS recording ABOVE makes plain. Having narrowly lost the presidency in '60 and the California Governorship in '62, Nixon WAS now forced into playing the long game. By THIS point in late July, 1963 Nixon had no shot at the 1964 Republican Prez nomination, and unless dramatic future events were to unfold, that would remain the case for some time. As it serendipitously turned out for him & many like him, however, Dallas happened 4 months later, changing the entire game from that point forward. Nixon was shrewd enough to know when biding his time was his best and most productive play/strategy, and what would be the best time to put the throttle into gear. All that aside, however, couldn't agree more w/Jack about the "Dick", uh, Mr. Nixon.
JFK went to Texas bc he was completely bombarded and browbeat by all of LBJ's cronies, underlings. Kennedy had just been to Houston 2 months prior and all was well. He fought hard to not go. Jackie wrote that the argument and yelling he had about not going was the most angrily, loudest she'd ever heard her husband ever. LbJ wouldn't let up and he relented. JfK and Nixon were good friends on the private level with much mutual respect. Nixon knew the psychological paranoid behavior of LbJ. And kept away from him. Though LbJ pushed him away as far as he could.
Kennedy did not get cold feet on the Bay of Pigs invasion. The CIA, under Allen Dulles, went behind Kennedy's back and changed the plans for it. Kennedy fired Dulles, and though Dulles was on the Warren Commission, I don't think he was involved in JFK's assassination. Still, Dulles was a thug who did overthrow democratic governments for his own financial gain.
JFK started making these recordings because someone suggested that he do it so that he could use the tapes to write his memoirs. He sometimes forgot that he had the tape on - sometimes left it on by accident. It probably never occurred to him that these recordings would be made public. This is all we've got in terms of his memoirs. He started recorded in June, 1962. Too bad we have no recordings from 1961 when his generals wanted him to make a first strike (nuclear) on the Soviet Union.
Or on Cuba on April 17 (1961), when he courageously refused to take the CIA bait in them going ahead with their (Ike-Nixon '60) plan they thought could sucker him into it when he said prior that he would not provide the critical air support! The CIA double-crossed him in going ahead, knowing it would fail just to embarrass him to the whole world. That is when he made his famous vow on the CIA: "Tear them into a thousand pieces and scatter them to the wind!" He fired Director Allen Dulles in Nov. 1961 and the Deputy Director--whose brother was then, and 2 years later, the Mayor of Dallas!
- or of all the women he and his chums had sex with at the White House
JFK was practical and didn't think there was Congressional support for civil rights legislation - and said so. Already unpopular in the South because of his Catholicism, he feared losing the South in 1964 and losing the election. A practical concern. Once he realized this was an issue that could not wait any longer, he made his civil rights speech (one of his best) and presented legislation to Congress. As expected, his popularity dropped to the lowest point in his presidency.
One of those 'Freedom Rider" buses had a friend of R.F.K.'s (a white man from the Dept. of Justice) on board once, and he was beaten at a stop along with everyone else.Civil Rights really became a priority then.
Most of the freedom riders were white. Far, far too many racist and / or ungrateful blacks out of hateful hate and jealousy forget to acknowledge these truths and ,oh, BTW, to say THANK YOU!
In 1961 in a small mining town in Western Pennsylvania, there was a little song the the kids used to sing Kennedy Kennedy he’s our man Nixon belongs in the garbage can.
And they were so well read on the subject. Teach them how to hate while young.
@@kenzeier2943 What are you talking about?!
Yet when they were both congressmen in the 40s Nixon was JFK's favorite luncheon companion...in fact, John's Father Joe contributed money to Nixon's campaign for the senate when he ran against Helen Gahagen Douglas (democrat)...did you know that?
Yea,I remember that.I was living in West Newton,Pa,had just turned 5 years old at 1960 election time.Think it went "Kennedy,Kennedy,he's our man,he'll put Nixon in the garbage can".
@@kenzeier2943 Yeah that's how Democrats are
It's not so much under his breath as trailing off. Most accounts suggest Nixon felt something other than antipathy for Kennedy. It was far more complex. If you believe Oliver Stone (and I wouldn't advise it), Nixon was obsessed with JFK. Consumed with envy. I'm sure that Nixon was envious of Kennedy's looks, charm, style and all the rest of it. But Nixon was no fool. He was a sharp political operator.
In real life, Nixon and Kennedy were on good terms with each other...in presidential libraries I read some of their telegrams to one another on the birth of children etc...also they went to lunch with each other often in DC and Kennedy's Father contributed to Nixon's senatorial campaign in California.
True, JFK didn't jump on the bus with the Freedom Riders. And though he may have made condescending statements about minorities (trust me, as a minority I've heard far worse remarks), he made many efforts to support integration and equal opportunity employment. In fact, JBK made sure the National Guard bearing his body to Arlington was integrated due to his complaint on Inauguration Day about the lack of integrated troops.
If you're looking for a good RFK/LBJ book, 'Mutual Contempt' is great!
@johnny511000 Faulty logic. JFK's father Joseph may have called in some help from mafia contacts to win Illinois, but according to journalist/syndicated columnist Jack Anderson, it was done w/out JFK's knowledge-& he was extremely angry when he found out about it. Mafia apparently thought JFK should treat them better bc of it, & were angry when he didn't. He & RFK were against organized crime, & I respect JFK for not caving in bc of the election. His integrity gave him a right to criticize Nixon
bookguitarguy Do you have any proof for the Kennedy’s mob connections? Anything creditable?
Integrity??? Integrity and John F. Kennedy do not belong in the same sentence.
Whether he personally was aware of it is not most important, most candidates are not told about or doing their own dirty work, its kept arms length or several layers away for obvious reasons. There is still significant evidence that it did occur and likely from his father's connections.
@williwo Actually, both Kruschev and Castro had a great respect and admiration for Kennedy. Khrushchev said as much in his memoirs. Brothers, the book which came out two years ago about Jack and Bobby confirms the Castro claim.
No matter how negative his comments are about Nixon in any of these tapes. They pale in comparison to the pettiness and negativity expressed by Nixon about JFK on the Nixon tapes.
They were both assholes, truth be told. Two assholes don't make a saint.
I agree with what you're saying, although the timing of Kennedy's Civil Rights speech (the same day as George Wallace barring the doors at U of Alabama) seems like a reactionary decision. Wallace's actions, and his arrogance, infuriated JFK. He responded with announcing the bill and sending it to Congress eight days later--pretty fast work! I think it was less about planning than it was about finally getting as mad as Bobby. Good analysis though! He was definitely walking on thin ice.
HA !! Hi there 😏,
You know .., you're ALWAYS walking "on thin ice" when you tell or start telling THE TRUTH 💯‼️ But , I always hope that -> when it needs to be done, someone WILL speak up🎯
Only the truth can provide a solid foundation, whatever it's needed for !! ⚖️
President John F. Kennedy was right 💯💝
God bless and be sure to have a nice day🌤️ !!
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Respectfully, he threw his hat into the ring. He knew that even drumming up support for the Civil Rights movement was a hot button topic with voters. If he had truly wanted to avoid controversy, he would have waited until after '64. True, he did not push for Civil Rights before his proposal in June of '63, and between then and November he had Berlin, the NTBT, and Vietnam on his plate. But he still made the committment in his speech. The sad truth is, we'll never know what he would have done.
See also "Was Nixon Robbed?" by David Greenberg.
Kennedy made a huge political gamble in '63 when he pushed for the Civil Rights bill. Had he been able to run in '64 this initiative could have lost the presidency for him. Nixon wouldn't get out of Vietnam until after he had won his second term.
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Kennedy was generally an honest politician compared to most of the people in government and truly wanted to make progressive change like getting rid of Allen Dulles after the Bay of Pigs and intending to retire Hoover as FBI director in 1965. So he had a lot of enemies inside the government who would have wanted to see him eliminated.
darryl runnels -- that's a common misconception. Kennedy won the popular vote and Electoral College, even with Chicago hanky panky figured in. There was vote buying in Southern Illinois counties that went for Nixon.
darryl runnels.youre a fucking moron..I smell Trump
William McCarthy
How many books have you read on the Kennedy clan?
@@jacksontroy6742 MAGA.
Not only was Allen Dulles fired, Deputy Director of the CIA Charles Cabell was fired by JFK as well. Why is that significant? Because Cabell's brother Earle was the Mayor of Dallas, TX and the brothers' father and grandfather were former Mayors of Dallas, TX.
No, no reference to Nixon as an SOB. Maybe the poster's opinion! But JFK does call Nixon "unreliable" and "very unhelpful". Privately his view was probably much saltier.
+Jeff Allcock 1:04
+Jeff Allcock 1:04
bio2020 Ironically, Kennedy's favorite companion for lunch in DC when both were congressmen was Nixon. Also, his daddy Joe senior donated to the Nixon campaign for senate when he ran against democrat Helen Gahagen Douglas in California. Joe shared Nixon's view of her as a pinko...'the pink lady'.
I added a comment up above that may provide some context about Kennedy's statement.
Nixon's smoothing of relations with the Soviets and Chinese was pretty shrewd, but his intention wasn't at all about creating peace. He just wanted his other policy of dropping bombs on the Indochinese region to not be interfered with. So his detene policies weren't successful in the way that he still failed to save 'Nam, Cambodia, and Laos from Communism. In fact, bombing them further into the stone age only weakened capitalism's chances to win out in the region.
;) That's certainly me (albeit with a better tan than I have today...winters in Seattle are awful). Murder? No, I haven't tried that, only a free drink at the bar. And my powers of persuasion go beyond a wink and a smile. Apparently when JFK asked for LBJ's opinion in meetings, he sided with the President, believing that the VP shouldn't show dissent in front of other advisers. This exasperated JFK, who liked to have a variety of views to consider. LBJ felt muzzled while JFK thought him useless.
Just saw Frost/Nixon, fantastic (if not faithful to history), really humanizes Nixon.
LBJ hated RFK, but admired JFK tremendously in the Senate--not for his politics as much as his extracurricular activities. 1960-1963 were tough years for LBJ, however. He could have easily started hating JFK, though probably not as much as he hated Bobby.
Well, if a cute face doesn't help my case...wait...you did say, 'not necessarily'...;) Thanks for the compliment!
@BartA22 OK< perhaps I'm exaggerating, but it seems to me that Nixon's admin (via Kissinger) managed very well in the 70s, while the Kennedy administration sowed some huge future problems in Vietnam and other issues Impossible to say how Nixon would have dealt with Cuba, but perhaps he wouldn't have let it even get to that stage? Suspect that history's view of Nixon will be kinder in the long term.
Wow this video is a decade old
Ironic that JFK was a bit of a disaster for US foreign policy, while Nixon's administration was really good...
Continuing the failed, disastrous, very expensive, and deadly Vietnam War for another 4 years is NOT a good foreign policy!
Hahahaha this is an absurd take. @mookie2637 How about how JFK handled the Cuban Missile Crisis? How about his views of the third world? His promotion of peace? Commitment to not get into a war into Vietnam? Oh but that’s right Nixon and Kissinger opened us up to China so all of our manufacturing jobs would be gone by the 90’s
Dear Mookie,
With all due respect, but we strongly differ in opinion over that !!
Nevertheless, although I left this respons -> I didn't to start a debate about it...
Sincere regards,
@@daubs4641 Is it? Look at outcomes. For example, under Kennedy, despite "good intentions", involvement in Vietnam only grew and grew. Under Nixon, despite his probable or actual lies and crimes, it did ultimately end. On China, that was a real breakthrough and (I'd suggest) on jobs that was inevitable with spiralling labour costs in the west. On Cuba, as others point out here, Krushchev probably would not have pushed Nixon to the same point. I'm not the first to make this observation btw, although it's loaded with subtleties, what-ifs, etc. Nor does it constitute any comment on the worth or values of either man (Nixon was just awful...)
Dude you're full of shit. Kennedy inherited a bunch of crap he had to deal with while the the CIA was trying to run our foreign policy behind his back. Get a grip on reality.
his youth and looks bought him the presidency
Plus his Father's guidance, money, and influence...how can you overlook that?
Very true on a lot of help from Joe on many levels; the celebrity packaging, and Joe's influence, contacts, etc...
I barely heard it...at 1:03 ish
They say the good die young. JFK was 46, and Nixon died in his 80s...
Nixon was a good man and in his personal life - a better man than JFK was.
even if he was - a very debatable claim - so what? presidents aren't paid to be good men in their personal lives.
Fersomling ...In that case, let's hope you live a looooong, protected life!
JFK botched the bay of pigs and started Vietnam.
@@MrAitraining Nixon was a good man...said no non-racist.
Here is the line in question. It starts at about the 1:00 mark. ".....fine with me, but I would hate to have Nixon to be able to say that he was used by us, the lying son of a bitch".
The 15 to 20 seconds prior to that sentence provides some context. Apparently Nixon was talking to the Portuguese about Charles de Gaulle claiming that Kennedy supported de Gaulle. This was not true. It was also not helpful at all at this time since de Gaulle very much opposed Great Britain from joining the EEC at around this time and in fact vetoed their application in public. Kennedy was in a dispute over this with de Gaulle that was strong enough that he threatened to remove all American troops from European soil.
From French soil more precisely. De Gaulle did remove them from French soil in 1966.
People should read either Act of Treason by Mark North, or Contract on America by David Sheim.
Nah....try reading "Rush to judgement" by Mark lane, and "six seconds in dallas" by Josiah Thompson, 2 of the most respected books on the JFK assassination....
mark NO FACTS lane ? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
1:29 JFK wasn't even sure if they had an embassy in the US. You would think a President would know.
@BartA22 Yes, I know that and I agree with your other comments also. Thanks.
Nick, you are wrong about Nixon here. Everyone who's done in depth research on Nixon knows that he was something close to obsessed with the USSR & China (the latter because he believed that it would inevitably become a leading world power because of its large population and strong culture and civilization). He wrote about China before becoming Pres, and made many diplomatic trips to both countries after he left office. For him, Nam was the unwanted distraction from his larger geopolitical goals.
@punkvideo Richard Nixon is credited for having a strong record on foreign policy, but his record on domestic policy - especially on Civil Rights at home is often overlooked. During his years as vice president under Dwight Eisenhower, he sought to ensure minorities - especially African Americans - weren’t discriminated against in federal contracts. He also worked with Congress to spearhead the Civil Rights Act of 1957, sweeping legislation and a precursor to the landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of 1965.
When he reached the presidency, Nixon sought to expand economic opportunities for African Americans by ending discrimination in the work place, through the endowment of black colleges with federal funds, and helping them find meaningful employment through job assistance programs, and promotion of entrepreneurship - an initiative called “Black Capitalism.”
In 1970, perhaps the hall mark of the Nixon administration’s Civil Rights policies, Nixon sought to end the decades old and egregious tradition of segregated schools for black and white children throughout the nation, predominantly in the Southern states.
Nixon as Vice President on Civil Rights
The Eisenhower administration accomplished much in the area of Civil Rights. It was President Eisenhower who integrated the armed forces, promoted more blacks into the federal bureaucracy than his predecessors, and appointed federal judges, and lawyers in his justice department, who supported racial justice. In 1954, the World War II general also sent U.S. National Guard troops to integrate Little Rock’s Central High School to enforce the 1954 unanimous Supreme Court ruling in Brown v. Board of Education, which held that “separate educational facilities are inherently unequal,” and overturned a half century of Court precedent which stated otherwise.
Shortly before taking office in 1953, Eisenhower signed an executive order creating an interdepartmental body, the President’s Committee on Government Contracts, succeeding the Truman administration’s Contract Compliance Committee, to combat discrimination among contractors retained by the Federal Government. Eisenhower selected Nixon to chair the committee, a move that highlighted its importance. The board made up in influence what it lacked in enforcement power, and Nixon used his chair to meet and forge relationships with Civil Rights leaders including Martin Luther King, Jr., Ralph Abernathy, and NAACP director Roy Wilkins; lobby companies to end discrimination; encourage African American ownership of businesses and employment to executive positions.
During his second term as vice president, Nixon shepherded through Congress the Civil Rights Act of 1957, the first Civil Rights legislation since reconstruction. The 1957 legislation empowered the Justice Department to prosecute Civil Rights cases through a newly established Civil Rights Division, and allowed federal prosecutors to obtain court injunctions when the citizens’ right to vote was being obstructed.
JFK and RMN might have been friends when they were in Congress together in the 1940s and 50s, but that ended shortly after.
I always think 2 myself I wounder Wat jfk wud look like as a old man 😍😍
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He'd be 102, Sarah. Anybody that old looks like hell.
About like Teddy did.
@@claytonrowe8103 with the hidden health problems JFK. had, he probably would not have aged very well. teddy was the only one of the four brothers to live into old age. I remember hearing him say that his brothers would probably have aged better then him....it was a sad comment
Actually I have seen somewhere an age progression photo....white hair, a little heavier in the face...kind of like what Cary Grant looked like later in life..
The man never drank a Duff in his life.
The Kennedy dark side shows up again.
Richard Nixon was the antithesis of Jack Kennedy.
Some folks have given some negatives here. But it is true, there were strange things going on with the Republican side in Illinois. Its just not out there in the popular culture. Check Wikipedia & other sources. It's not that simple - there are many opinions on this.
1:05 LMAO
Kennedy 303
Nixon 219
Give Nixon Cook County and the State and JFK still win the Presidency
norr4636 Stolen from him. Learn history.
Kennedy won by 113,000 votes. The electoral college is a fascist scam anyway.
@@TrentsKnives Was it proven it was stolen
@@TT_1221 Hmmm, considering the Founders established the Electoral College, explain how it's fascist, idiot.
@@michaelbee2165 It should be one person, one vote .. a proper democracy.
I agree with you on Nixon's foreign policy credential but I think your wrong about JFK.
Agree...Take Kennedy Illinois Electoral vote and he still wins with 276-262
Yeah, close in the popular vote but not so close in the electoral vote...
You are off on Nixon's number! He had 219 (not 235). If he won Illinois (27), he would only have 246, so he would have also had to win Texas (24) to get to 270 which in 1960 the majority to win was 269. Sen. Harry Byrd.(VA) got 15 electors. The final result was: Kennedy 303, Nixon 219, and Byrd 15. 537 electors, so only 269 needed, not the 538 and 270 starting in 1964.
@@freeguy77 I know Nixon got 219.
@@RJN8580 No, you said he would have had 262 if he had won Illinois 27, thereby saying you thought Nixon had 235. Not equal to 219 that he did get.
@@freeguy77 Nope! I was referring to Nixon if you take any Kennedy Illinois Kennedy still wins.
@williwo Actually Kennedy did NOT bring us Vietnam. While he expanded the number of advisors he repeatedly fought with memebrs of the military and actually had to strong arm McNamara into following a specific policy line. Kennedy had scheduled a withdrawal from Vietnam when he was killed. the Bay of Pigs was Nixon's and the CIA's idea; Kennedy really found out about it on the day it happened.
Richard Nixon had NOTHING to do with Kennedy's Bay of Pigs disaster. Just because you don't happen to like him doesn't make it so.
There is no evidence that JFK had "scheduled"a withdrawal from Vietnam, and even if he had, he could have - but didn't - make it happen. I'd cure cancer if I could. I have it on my schedule.
With JFK and that whole family, politics ALWAYS came first. Doing the right thing sometimes came as an afterthought, but never before winning elections.
ChrisDutch. Unfortunately for this popular theory, historians and evidence are saying, not so true. There is some evidence that LBJ was actually following closer to Kennedys plan than many want to admit. We will never know it Kennedys alleged drawdown/ pullout would have happened.
eh a combination i guess
God dam the Kennedy’s!
Well, it was probably best for the country that Agnew wasn't any closer to the WH than he already was...JFK really tried to make sure LBJ was alerted to Cabinet meetings and would get angry when his staff forgot to invite him, but it was on a personal level, not professional. RFK was JFK's "No. one-and-a-half".
lol NOT a lush! Just have a lot of of party-loving Asian girlfriends (we can't hold tequila) who like cocktail hour but wish we could save on liquor for dancing shoes!
I wish I could go back to November 22 1963 in Dallas, Texas, then just as the Presidential limo passes the TSBD, wave my magic wand and make JFK and Nixon trade places.
Instead of a magic wand I'd rather use chloroform and duct tape, then make sure Oswald was found on the morning of the Presidential visit among the boxes of his putative sniper nest with the business end of his Carcano 91/38 up his ass and a used cartridge on the floor next to him.
WhiteCamry That would be nice except probably wouldn't change the outcome. One of the others would have got him.
WhiteCamry
lol he still thinks oswald did it
jas lan
oh no wait another ass trying to uphold the so called truth
jas lan
Y'know, I always wondered why no one ever investigated Jackie. All those bullets flying around and she doesn't get a scratch? I don't buyt it!
Yeah ghw was in dealy plaza and trick dicky was in dallas couinsidences dont think so
George H.W. Bush was over 100 miles away at a fundraiser with scads of witnesses. Nixon was on his way home long before Kennedy landed.
Bit by all means-don't let facts screw up your socialist fantasies.
Holy cripes. Go vote for McCain and then get an education.
Lyin' Lyndon ( Johnson ) was an undercover republican in the democrat party. Study the Murchison Meeting the night before the assassination. Lyin Lyndon and the republicans were all there together. Connolly was shot because the shooter thought they were shooting senator Ralph Yarborough, who was scheduled to ride in the presidential limo. Luckily for Yarborough Kennedy made him ride with Lyin' Lyndon even though it was well known the 2 despised each other. The assassins were out to kill Kennedy and Yarborough both. Instead they killed Kennedy and wounded Connolly.
Dafuq?
Why did he pass the civil rights act then?
One reason was the 1964 election. LBJ needed help to win that one.
guinea pig
It was a lifelong democrat
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wrong
Get a time machine, go to 1960 and vote for Nixon!
Nixon won 1960