Harry confirmed in his book that it was both of them who asked Charles not to marry Camilla. The show is likely portrayed the foreshadowing of William being the responsible heir and Harry's path to rebelling the system.
Actually, if you do your research. Camilla met with both William and Harry. William was the more understanding person, unlike Harry. Yes, Harry was against his father marrying her. But William welcomed it with open arms only because she made Charles happy. But William told her that he didn't want her to be involved in any decisions in his life. She respected that. He also told her that she would have a hard time being friends with Harry due to him not liking her. So, in reality, William was the more mature and understanding sibling. Unlike Harry . I have an A.A. degree and a bachelor's degree in history. And working on my masters. For studying to be a historian, English history is my area of expertise.
@lordalessan people have to understand even though the crown might embellish on some things. Half of the scenes you see in the crown are true. Harry had and probably still does have hatred towards Camilla. William had to be ab adult about the situation because he accepted the fact that his mom was dead and that his father wanted to move on. He is the future heir he had to show that he can handle tough situations such as this. As for the sources, I'm away from home right now, so I will have to get back to you on that. There's so many books and articles on that family.
@sazzieb1 The show is based on the british royal family. Do you seriously not know the history of that family? That's just sad. This area of history is my expertise in college. I have degrees from learning about events in history. The british royal family is my focus. The show only makes up a few details, but 99% of it is true.
It's a little bit more complex. Will has said nice things about Camilla. Diana herself was no saint on the marriage and didn't always put their needs first. I mean, thar interview on TV for starters would have hurt them badly
@@MsJubjubbirdit's not like William was going to bash, say horrible things about Camilla. He is all about duty, the firm which came first before his mother. I could never have dine that for my mother... If my father did this, I would have gone no contact with him. Camilla for me will always be the mistress.
But Harry spent his first 35 years of his life happily living with that family and enjoying the privilege and the perks of being rich and Royal to the fullest. No party without Harry. Talk about hypocrisy.
I like the detail here, William is the firstborn and is expected to be king one day, so despite his personal feelings of the matter he says what is expected of him, out of duty. Harry on the other hand doesnt have that responsibility, so he says and acts what he wants, which is more real.
Nice does not enter into it. Harry is entitled to his feelings and opinions, as long as he keeps them to himself. As "the spare", his feelings and opinions don't matter. That is the reality.
I really dislike this scene. Just because Harry is not first in line to the throne, it doesn't mean she can be disrespectful by interrupting and basically ignoring him.
Apparently it does mean she can be. And likely she didn’t seek anyone’s blessing. She more likely informed them of this even happened. This is not a documentary.
@@intuition1519 It feels silly because before Harry the previous two "spares" became King and she was the daughter of a "spare". At this point in the story for all they knew Harry would be King.
What struck me about the possibility of a conversation like the one depicted is how they are more of a firm, than a family. The understanding is what is best for the survival of the Empire/Crown.
I understand why Harry feels the way he does because what he thought was not valued only his brother because he was considered a future king. He was hurt about it but also too young to understand and accept that it was his father's life and his choice. When parents divorce l find it's the children that get mostly affected. It's really sad.😔
Yep, Diana didn't love Charles either and didn't want to marry him but was told it was too late to back out by her sister, the marriage was a benefit to her family as much as it was to her. If my sister told me five seconds before her wedding that she didn't want to marry him, I'd drive the get away car, not tell her she couldn't back out because it was too late.
@@annab9994 camilla and andrew's fathers were the ones who wanted them to marry and convinced them into it. camilla dated andrew on and off but neither of them were considering marriage.
@@lepakshijaideep222 The thing is that Charles and Diana announced their divorce before Camilla and Andrew, Charles has always been devoted only to Camilla, but Camilla has always been devoted to Andrew, who was also devoted to her even without exclusivity in their open marriage, if there was no agreement consenting that their marriage was open, then their connection would have not lasted open for literal decades, anyway, there are many reasons why Charles is the second husband of Camilla instead of the first.
Well, Camilla was not 'in love' with Charles, so she married another man whom she believed would be a better match for her. But later on, as her marriage was not exactly great (yes, she's cheated on her husband with Charles but Andrew Parker-Bowles' definitely a serial cheater himself), she might really fall for Charles or her affection for him developed deeper. They were more compatible and closer in age. Diana was a teenager when basically a 30 yrs old prince come-a-knocking on her door.
William grew up and realized that many divorced people remarry. So do widowers. That's life. Everyone has the right to find their happinness. You can't demand your parent stay lonely for life just because you don't like to see them with another person.
Those are wise words. You sound like my late grandmother. After my cousins parents divorced he would never accept my uncle's wife and never went to see his father. Even though he was divorced and remarried himself. One day, my grandmother said to him 'you got who YOU want, right?' My cousin said 'well.....yes.' My grandmother then said 'so why would you deny your own father the same thing and along with it, happiness? Did you really want him to be alone for the rest of his life?'
Nope, it’s not maturity, William is more inline with the Firm, he’s ignoring the emotional element to appease the empire. Harry is being sincere about his emotions, because the normal reaction would be..heck no! I cannot imagine my father marrying the Jezebel, who took part in destroying my mother, no way.😳
You have to bear in mind that Charles was in love with Camilla long before he even MET Diana. In fact, he was much more in love with her than he EVER was with Diana. William needed to face up to this fact.
Agreed, he got what he wanted, two beautiful children, and the freedom to marry someone loves, What did Diana get? Two beautiful children, a miserable and loveless marriage to a man, who could think of nothing but himself.
What was so special about Diana? The marriage was troubled from the beginning. It's not like she did great things for him. He didn't 'deserve' her. HUH! She did plenty of bed hopping herself you know. At least with Charles, it was only ONE woman.
It's apparent from the Crown that William gave his blessing because he was looking out for the "Crown" of which one day soon he will inherit. I did not hear an okay from Harry. I think he still loathes Camilla's guts and the feeling is mutual.
An adult son doesn't have to like his divorced father's new partner. But he has to accept his father's choice because it's his father's choice and his father's life. Not his.
@@guestuser1671 Adult son's can be strange. I had a cousin who's parent's got divorced. His father remarried and even though they lived in the same town, the son never went to his father's house. When he retired and moved away, my late grandmother tried to convince him to take a trip to see his father. My cousin told her 'I'm not going down there as long as SHE'S there!' Now here comes the strange part. It was his MOTHER who cheated on his father which led to the divorce. My late uncle was a good Christian man who never cheated. The mother took up with the man and they lived together but never married and my cousin saw THEM all the time. But he would never accept his father remarrying even though he was not the one who committed adultery or asked for the divorce.
They didnt actually give any blessing, william just saw that it was the best decision for the image and happiness of the family and no one cared what harry thought!!!
It was ten years after Diana had died. Values on on what the ultimate woman was had changed- no longer the young, blonde damsel in distress- and so had the fairy tale of Diana. Camilla and Charles had been a devoted couple for years and Camilla was always the model of decorum in public. Plus, everyone loves a royal wedding
Crying troll. Because a man who doesn't like a woman younger than him but loves a woman who is similar age to him is Oedipus? Your misogyny is disgusting.
I understand the Queen's ppoint of view and respect her. But she wouldn't even let Harry speak. Which i don't think was right . How would you feel if you were called a Spare. Hence is where we are at today. Why can't we all et along. The royal family is responsible for at least some of the rift between. The Spare and the Royal family
I Miss Diana Terribly, & I Always Will. But There Is No Denying The Fact That Charles Loves Camilla Tremendously More & Seems To Always Have Loved Her As Far Back As The Seventies As I Can Remember And Camilla Does Make Him Happier Than Diana. My Memories Will ALWAYS Be Of Charles & Diana, But Charles & Camilla Were Together Long Before Diana Ever Came In The Picture & Were Inevitably Meant To Be Together.
The wedding to Camilla not only made Charles happy, but also made him more open in his official engagements. That, in turn, was good for the crown. Elizabeth had Philip - William had Kate. It's a good thing in a job like this to have someone at your side whom you trust and who supports you.
@@Kate-lk6tw Losing it when he sees his photos replacing those of his mother's, who hasn't been buried yet. The pen incident acted as a safety valve, releasing as anger some of the grief he had bottled inside. I saw it happen with my own parents when my grandparents died.
Not really. People hated Camilla. She had a terrible public image due to Charles cheating with her. There's a reason they didn't get married until the 2000s. They were literally waiting for the public to "forget" they hated her.
The crown really fell off post season 4 when they did a full 180 and stopped trying to portray a fictionalised objective truth of the royals and instead kiss up to the royals and every plot point became a narrative pushed by the palace pr these last 30 years.
She has manipulated him into actions that greatly damaged his standing with the public he was supposed to have served and have alienated him from his family. The couple has irredeemably harmed his reputation, a truly disastrous marriage. @@tonyahines4554
Charles has loved one woman all his life. Elizabeth senselessly separated them. It was because of Elizabeth that neither Diana had a happy life with someone who loved her, nor Charles could marry his true love for over 30 years.
@@annhewett9622 Diana should have too, she didn't love him nor did she want to marry him but was told it was too late to back out, in reality the marriage was beneficial to her family, why would they want her to back out? Truth is they divorced and were doing well coparenting. Diana probably suffered with mental illness before her marriage, during and after, unfrortunately at the time it wasn't widely understood or talked about and the turmoil of her public life didn't help, though she did that to herself by alterting the press as to where she would be and doing stuff like that.
No that was the whole point of Henry the 8th shifting from the Catholic Church to the church of England so he doesn't need to give up the throne when he divorces his wife
@@truthseeker-nv6nyrubbish. The canon law of the Church of England established by H8, precludes divorce or remarriage while a spouse lives. This meant Margaret could not marry Townsend and she was miles from the throne. The canon law is unchanged. The rules bend for whatever weak selfish grifter is next in line. Poor QE2. So hard for her to have a divorced king and consort.
@@fahimfaisalmahir567 Harry was stupid to show his real emotions whereas William played the long game. I look forward to seeing how William cuts out Camilla and her family once he is on the throne.
Charles should have married Camilla in the 1970s but he wasn’t ready to settle down yet. Princes & kings have mistresses so Charles seeing another lady after marriage isn’t unthinkable. I don’t like how both treated Diana; gaslighting and emotional cruelty isn’t okay.
Excellent scene. Eventually, Charles will marry Camilla. The marriage does far less damage to the Crown if the marriage takes places while Elizabeth sits on the throne and can bless the marriage (and take the PR hit). Will shows he thinks like a future king, not a petulant youth. Harry, the petulant youth, learns (the hard way) that his views do not matter.
That's one that always gets me. You marry someone like that and then you're surprised when you're either chained to a hold digger who really cares nothing about you or history repeats itself.
Honestly, I would say the same thing too because ever since this whole marriage and Diane and he couldn’t stop shutting up about Camila so if he marries her he finally shut up aboutCamilla
I kind of understand this situation and feel a little sympathetic to Charles and Camilla. At some point after Diana’s death it only makes sense to recognize the reality and try to move on with life as best you can. At this point in time they’ve been married longer than Charles and Diana had. She does obviously make him happy, and they seem well-matched. Very tragic and hard on the children, and that’s a shame. It sucks if what happened in the series is true where the boys’ true feelings are disregarded. The situation and family dynamic is far from perfect. I do think people are taken advantage of all in sacrifice to the monarchy. It’s a very tough situation no matter what happened-if they got married or not.
Why does anyone have these discussions with their kids? The parent is going to do what he wants, regardless of who he hurts. Everything is fine as long as you go along with what the future king wants.
I saw a pic where William was laughing with that Mistress. Pathetic! Is it British culture? That you are chilling with the woman who ruined your mother's mental health, life? Whole British media harassed Harry, but he is the only Prince. A person who loves throne more than his Mother is a disgusting person. In any country/ culture/ religion this type of behavior is unacceptable.
Diana had mental health issues throughout her life, a public life and divorce didn't help, however she was also intelligent and manipulative as she often alerted the press as to where she would be. I think Charles and Diana did the right thing divorcing because neither loved the other from the beginning, and they were doing well coparenting. Laughing with your step mother isn't bad, whatever transpired between his parents is between them, he had nothing to do with it. As for loving a throne more than his mother, his mother is dead, of course he loves her and misses her, he's discussed that, and the impact losing her had on his own mental and emotional well being.
And didn't you see the hundreds of photos of Harry laughing with Camilla? Also, in case you didn't realize, these are actors and in real life both William and Harry begged Charles not to marry Camilla 🙄
I'm happy Harry left the firm. Those people are weird. Camilla been a long, long side chick and is partly responsible for that woman's death. Had Charles not been a prince, she wouldn't have given him the time of day.
Charles and Camilla always belonged together. This is what happens when the family forbids you from marrying the right person, and instead pushes you into a union with the wrong, all for optics. Diana was a beautiful head case and pathological attention-seeker. She was also a profligate spender. "The People's Princess" sure spent plenty of their money.
What is fascinating about this conversation is if it did happen, when did it happen? Charles and the Cow got married in 2005, Diana was killed in 1997, that means this conversation happened in 2003, maybe 2004. That's only 6 or 7 years after Diana's passing. In my opinion, they could have waited longer but Charles never thinks about Diana. Even in death.
Tbh, not a fan of Harry but that actor’s impression of Harry is god awful, Harry is dumb and rebellious but he was never a sociopath, like the dude was actually really really likeable, it all only went downhill post marrying his wife
Oh please, educate yourself. Not every muslim man in every country can have 2 wives at the same time. It's mostly in the muslim countries/middle east that they can do that while in most of the non-muslim countries a muslim man can legally be married to only one. There are muslims all around the world, not just in the middle east.
So many people villifying Charles for marrying the love of his life and having a loving stable wife. While idolizing a dead attention-seeker with a borderline personality disorder who never actually loved him for him, ruined multiple marriages by being a town bike and kept making a spectacle of herself up until her last breath.
Harry confirmed in his book that it was both of them who asked Charles not to marry Camilla. The show is likely portrayed the foreshadowing of William being the responsible heir and Harry's path to rebelling the system.
Actually, if you do your research. Camilla met with both William and Harry. William was the more understanding person, unlike Harry. Yes, Harry was against his father marrying her. But William welcomed it with open arms only because she made Charles happy. But William told her that he didn't want her to be involved in any decisions in his life. She respected that. He also told her that she would have a hard time being friends with Harry due to him not liking her. So, in reality, William was the more mature and understanding sibling. Unlike Harry . I have an A.A. degree and a bachelor's degree in history. And working on my masters. For studying to be a historian, English history is my area of expertise.
@@mariahsmith6101 What are the sources on this?
@lordalessan people have to understand even though the crown might embellish on some things. Half of the scenes you see in the crown are true. Harry had and probably still does have hatred towards Camilla. William had to be ab adult about the situation because he accepted the fact that his mom was dead and that his father wanted to move on. He is the future heir he had to show that he can handle tough situations such as this. As for the sources, I'm away from home right now, so I will have to get back to you on that. There's so many books and articles on that family.
@@mariahsmith6101How are they true? 😂It's a fictional series
@sazzieb1 The show is based on the british royal family. Do you seriously not know the history of that family? That's just sad. This area of history is my expertise in college. I have degrees from learning about events in history. The british royal family is my focus. The show only makes up a few details, but 99% of it is true.
Asking your sons to accept the woman who helped make their mother's life hell, is just too much.
its a reality for lots of kids whose parents divorce.
It's a little bit more complex. Will has said nice things about Camilla. Diana herself was no saint on the marriage and didn't always put their needs first. I mean, thar interview on TV for starters would have hurt them badly
@@MsJubjubbirdit's not like William was going to bash, say horrible things about Camilla. He is all about duty, the firm which came first before his mother. I could never have dine that for my mother... If my father did this, I would have gone no contact with him. Camilla for me will always be the mistress.
My parents were already divorced, but he’s still making the same mistakes and isn’t doing well
Their mother made her own life hell. She was no saint. And slept around with more married men than you can count.
How the HECK did they find an actor who looks identical to young William
Casting calls
Does not look like him at all
It's him in real life
I was saying the same thing😮😅
Wow if Harry was treated anything like that in real life, I wouldn't blame him one bit for lashing out and destroying the royal family's image
But Harry spent his first 35 years of his life happily living with that family and enjoying the privilege and the perks of being rich and Royal to the fullest. No party without Harry. Talk about hypocrisy.
He wasn’t happily
@@JS-ss6igif he was suffering, he hid it very well
I like the detail here, William is the firstborn and is expected to be king one day, so despite his personal feelings of the matter he says what is expected of him, out of duty. Harry on the other hand doesnt have that responsibility, so he says and acts what he wants, which is more real.
That’s just what she thinks of his Children. She is only nice to William because he will be Kng.
You know this just a show right
@@Candybear264 Yeah we all get that. We're commenting on the world of the show, you know that right?
@@jtidema You mean the "world of the show" that generally portrays the royals as always less than decent, honorable people?
Nice does not enter into it. Harry is entitled to his feelings and opinions, as long as he keeps them to himself. As "the spare", his feelings and opinions don't matter. That is the reality.
Charles is an adult. He doesn't have to ask his adult sons to marry. It's not their business anymore.
I really dislike this scene. Just because Harry is not first in line to the throne, it doesn't mean she can be disrespectful by interrupting and basically ignoring him.
The scene is this way precisely to highlight how brutal and overt the system is in favouring the heir and disregarding the siblings.
This probably never happened.
Apparently it does mean she can be. And likely she didn’t seek anyone’s blessing. She more likely informed them of this even happened. This is not a documentary.
@@intuition1519 It feels silly because before Harry the previous two "spares" became King and she was the daughter of a "spare". At this point in the story for all they knew Harry would be King.
@@commodorezero when ever would Harry become king. It was always William.
What struck me about the possibility of a conversation like the one depicted is how they are more of a firm, than a family. The understanding is what is best for the survival of the Empire/Crown.
well, thanks to both the French and the Russian Revolutions, it is something they have to bear in mind.
Their thinking is very long term
There is no longer an empire.
Exactly. Commonwealth rather than Empire, but yes.
The Empire comes before the family sadly.
I understand why Harry feels the way he does because what he thought was not valued only his brother because he was considered a future king. He was hurt about it but also too young to understand and accept that it was his father's life and his choice. When parents divorce l find it's the children that get mostly affected. It's really sad.😔
Is it just me or does Harry look like Eddie Redmayne
No, he looks like Luther Ford.
Its funny since the real William, Prince of Wales was year mates with Eddie apparently at Eton
@Lucille1899
It's just you.
They should have been allowed to marry from the beginning. Di would prob be alive and happy & they would have spent more time together
Camila was in love with another man. And then decided to marry him and not Charles.
Yep, Diana didn't love Charles either and didn't want to marry him but was told it was too late to back out by her sister, the marriage was a benefit to her family as much as it was to her. If my sister told me five seconds before her wedding that she didn't want to marry him, I'd drive the get away car, not tell her she couldn't back out because it was too late.
@@annab9994 camilla and andrew's fathers were the ones who wanted them to marry and convinced them into it. camilla dated andrew on and off but neither of them were considering marriage.
@@lepakshijaideep222
The thing is that Charles and Diana announced their divorce before Camilla and Andrew, Charles has always been devoted only to Camilla, but Camilla has always been devoted to Andrew, who was also devoted to her even without exclusivity in their open marriage, if there was no agreement consenting that their marriage was open, then their connection would have not lasted open for literal decades, anyway, there are many reasons why Charles is the second husband of Camilla instead of the first.
Well, Camilla was not 'in love' with Charles, so she married another man whom she believed would be a better match for her. But later on, as her marriage was not exactly great (yes, she's cheated on her husband with Charles but Andrew Parker-Bowles' definitely a serial cheater himself), she might really fall for Charles or her affection for him developed deeper. They were more compatible and closer in age. Diana was a teenager when basically a 30 yrs old prince come-a-knocking on her door.
The price of being a "SPARE"!
Well he used to be the spare lol
That is Charlotte's job now
King Henry VIII was the “spare” to his elder brother, Arthur, Prince of Wales. Henry became king when Arthur died without issue.
@@themermaidstale5008 It's not relevant now because William has an heir and two spares. Harry will never get anywere near the Throne.
@@rach2111now he isn't even that, sad
William being diplomatic, as a future king should be
Except when it comes to racism
@@Nou-s4k prove it
0:45 'We can go for a walk where it's quiet and dry, and talk about precious things...' oops! ☔ 😮
To be fair… their father was the one who made their lives hell not Camilla. Charles could have stopped at any time for the sake of his kids.
This is royalty. It's different sphere of living. It's not momma, poppa 2.3 kids in a cape cod with a picket fence you know.
She could have taken the tampon (Charles) out and ended it.
It's actually incredible that Harry turned out the way he did. I would not want Margaret's life. Good for him.
William grew up and realized that many divorced people remarry. So do widowers. That's life. Everyone has the right to find their happinness. You can't demand your parent stay lonely for life just because you don't like to see them with another person.
Those are wise words. You sound like my late grandmother. After my cousins parents divorced he would never accept my uncle's wife and never went to see his father. Even though he was divorced and remarried himself. One day, my grandmother said to him 'you got who YOU want, right?' My cousin said 'well.....yes.' My grandmother then said 'so why would you deny your own father the same thing and along with it, happiness? Did you really want him to be alone for the rest of his life?'
It must be devastating for William and Harry to see Charles marrying his mistress. But William is being very mature here.
Nope, it’s not maturity, William is more inline with the Firm, he’s ignoring the emotional element to appease the empire. Harry is being sincere about his emotions, because the normal reaction would be..heck no! I cannot imagine my father marrying the Jezebel, who took part in destroying my mother, no way.😳
@@lillybethford1915 well said
William grew up and realized that they couldn't demand Charles stay lonely for life just because they didn't like the woman he loved.
You have to bear in mind that Charles was in love with Camilla long before he even MET Diana. In fact, he was much more in love with her than he EVER was with Diana. William needed to face up to this fact.
Wonder how accurate the scene really is in regard to Harry
You think this actually happened?? 😂
You notice at 1:06 how the two of them are placed on opposite sides of her - this is called symbolism, folks.
Charles was way too lucky… he never deserved Diana
Agreed, he got what he wanted, two beautiful children, and the freedom to marry someone loves, What did Diana get? Two beautiful children, a miserable and loveless marriage to a man, who could think of nothing but himself.
People need to stop idolizing her.
she agreed to marry a men who loved another; what did she expect of it? spoiled girl and not an angel
@@LisaEllis-rt3xhCharles should have married camellia first not Diana
What was so special about Diana? The marriage was troubled from the beginning. It's not like she did great things for him. He didn't 'deserve' her. HUH! She did plenty of bed hopping herself you know. At least with Charles, it was only ONE woman.
This family is ridiculous. Harry in this scene was treated terrible.
It's apparent from the Crown that William gave his blessing because he was looking out for the "Crown" of which one day soon he will inherit. I did not hear an okay from Harry. I think he still loathes Camilla's guts and the feeling is mutual.
An adult son doesn't have to like his divorced father's new partner. But he has to accept his father's choice because it's his father's choice and his father's life. Not his.
@@guestuser1671 Adult son's can be strange. I had a cousin who's parent's got divorced. His father remarried and even though they lived in the same town, the son never went to his father's house. When he retired and moved away, my late grandmother tried to convince him to take a trip to see his father. My cousin told her 'I'm not going down there as long as SHE'S there!' Now here comes the strange part. It was his MOTHER who cheated on his father which led to the divorce. My late uncle was a good Christian man who never cheated. The mother took up with the man and they lived together but never married and my cousin saw THEM all the time. But he would never accept his father remarrying even though he was not the one who committed adultery or asked for the divorce.
They didnt actually give any blessing, william just saw that it was the best decision for the image and happiness of the family and no one cared what harry thought!!!
Im surprised why nobody in England raised a big uproar about this
In the end, it's...their lives, y'know. It's really their business whom they want to marry. Sure, it's 'ugh,' but it is what it is.
It was ten years after Diana had died. Values on on what the ultimate woman was had changed- no longer the young, blonde damsel in distress- and so had the fairy tale of Diana. Camilla and Charles had been a devoted couple for years and Camilla was always the model of decorum in public. Plus, everyone loves a royal wedding
They prefer to Moan about Megan Markle who apparently ruined the Royal family even though all this bs happened decade before she was involved 😂😂😂
Probably because it's none of their business.
Why only England, we are the United Kingdom?
Camilla is the mother, Charles never had, and a lover in one
Crying troll. Because a man who doesn't like a woman younger than him but loves a woman who is similar age to him is Oedipus? Your misogyny is disgusting.
Do you get paid to post that in every scene of The Crown on here?
True
TRUTH S.U.C.K.S.!@@AndyBluebear-fi9om
Camilla is a mother, but not of his kids.
If theres any doubt as to why harry called his book ‘spare.’ Just watch this. Charles had promised harry he would never marry camilla.
You know it’s a fictional show, right?
If my dad wanted to marry his mistress….. obviously its upto him, but that doesn’t mean she would ever be anything to me
‘William’ sounds like the actual William in the beginning of this scene
I understand the Queen's ppoint of view and respect her. But she wouldn't even let Harry speak. Which i don't think was right . How would you feel if you were called a Spare. Hence is where we are at today. Why can't we all et along. The royal family is responsible for at least some of the rift between. The Spare and the Royal family
It’s not real. It’s a fictional show
You can’t judge real people by things that fictional story tellers write about them.
As Harry said, " It's a dirty game ". He wanted as far away from " The Firm and Camilla" as possible.
No he didn't. He spent the next decade of his life as the "party prince" enjoying the privileges and the perks of being part of it.
I Miss Diana Terribly, & I Always Will. But There Is No Denying The Fact That Charles Loves Camilla Tremendously More & Seems To Always Have Loved Her As Far Back As The Seventies As I Can Remember And Camilla Does Make Him Happier Than Diana. My Memories Will ALWAYS Be Of Charles & Diana, But Charles & Camilla Were Together Long Before Diana Ever Came In The Picture & Were Inevitably Meant To Be Together.
Charles jumped into the marriage of Camilla and Andrew way before Diana was even near being a teen.
The wedding to Camilla not only made Charles happy, but also made him more open in his official engagements. That, in turn, was good for the crown. Elizabeth had Philip - William had Kate. It's a good thing in a job like this to have someone at your side whom you trust and who supports you.
William HAS Catherine.
Open? You mean throwing tantrums when the pen doesn’t work? You must be so proud
@@Kate-lk6tw Losing it when he sees his photos replacing those of his mother's, who hasn't been buried yet. The pen incident acted as a safety valve, releasing as anger some of the grief he had bottled inside. I saw it happen with my own parents when my grandparents died.
The actor who plays prince William doesn't only look exactly like him but also speak like him. Wow just wow!
But she was right. It was for the best for the Crown.
Not really. People hated Camilla. She had a terrible public image due to Charles cheating with her. There's a reason they didn't get married until the 2000s. They were literally waiting for the public to "forget" they hated her.
Какие они красивые парни ❤️🙏🏻
The crown really fell off post season 4 when they did a full 180 and stopped trying to portray a fictionalised objective truth of the royals and instead kiss up to the royals and every plot point became a narrative pushed by the palace pr these last 30 years.
Which episode is this
Camilla makes Charles happy in a way that Diana never could. They simply weren't compatible.
What does William say at 0:02, at the very beginning? Thanks
I want to know too... sounds like "Oi oh" to my ears
Just an oi oi to give Harry a heads up
@@elizabethr.110 He actually said the word "Oi"? Hahaha would not have imagined that
This scene was created in the light of Harry's disastrous marriage and the damage his wife did to him and the Royals.
Harry looks pretty happy to me. Despite his parentage it seems he loves his wife and has been faithful.
She has manipulated him into actions that greatly damaged his standing with the public he was supposed to have served and have alienated him from his family. The couple has irredeemably harmed his reputation, a truly disastrous marriage. @@tonyahines4554
Charles has loved one woman all his life. Elizabeth senselessly separated them. It was because of Elizabeth that neither Diana had a happy life with someone who loved her, nor Charles could marry his true love for over 30 years.
Charles had other mistresses besides Camilla...
@@zedmarlen There's no proof whatsoever that Charles had an mistress or even affairs with anyone else but Camila after he married Diana.
I disagree. Charles should have stood up to his parents. He’s a selfish coward.
@@annhewett9622 Diana should have too, she didn't love him nor did she want to marry him but was told it was too late to back out, in reality the marriage was beneficial to her family, why would they want her to back out? Truth is they divorced and were doing well coparenting. Diana probably suffered with mental illness before her marriage, during and after, unfrortunately at the time it wasn't widely understood or talked about and the turmoil of her public life didn't help, though she did that to herself by alterting the press as to where she would be and doing stuff like that.
@@rach2111 She was 16 when they met and 19 when they started dating. He was 12 years older. I doubt she had much of a choice in anything.
Thought once a Royal divorced they had to give up the throne?
No that was the whole point of Henry the 8th shifting from the Catholic Church to the church of England so he doesn't need to give up the throne when he divorces his wife
That’s right. Until they suddenly don’t.
@@truthseeker-nv6nyrubbish. The canon law of the Church of England established by H8, precludes divorce or remarriage while a spouse lives. This meant Margaret could not marry Townsend and she was miles from the throne. The canon law is unchanged. The rules bend for whatever weak selfish grifter is next in line. Poor QE2. So hard for her to have a divorced king and consort.
@Kate-lk6tw
So Charles could not have had married Camilla while Diana was still alive?
@@ws6778 correct.
If this is true , I can't blame Harry , this is really too much 😮
0:41 I'm pretty sure she means 'heir'
Poor Harry. ❤
We see here why Harry is Diana's son and Willian is Charles'.
It will be Diana's first born son William who will be king while Charles' second son will be writing a graphic novel about his frozen 🍆. 🤷🏻♀️
Yes, that's why Harry is mentally ill like his mother and William is intelligent, progressive and genius like his father..
@@fahimfaisalmahir567good joke
@@fahimfaisalmahir567 Harry was stupid to show his real emotions whereas William played the long game. I look forward to seeing how William cuts out Camilla and her family once he is on the throne.
@@fahimfaisalmahir567your name says you hate women
Charles should have married Camilla in the 1970s but he wasn’t ready to settle down yet. Princes & kings have mistresses so Charles seeing another lady after marriage isn’t unthinkable. I don’t like how both treated Diana; gaslighting and emotional cruelty isn’t okay.
Excellent scene. Eventually, Charles will marry Camilla. The marriage does far less damage to the Crown if the marriage takes places while Elizabeth sits on the throne and can bless the marriage (and take the PR hit). Will shows he thinks like a future king, not a petulant youth. Harry, the petulant youth, learns (the hard way) that his views do not matter.
Wth Harry dudnt say anything. William said he and Harry was happy without asked him
That's one that always gets me. You marry someone like that and then you're surprised when you're either chained to a hold digger who really cares nothing about you or history repeats itself.
What does William say at 2:06? "He might finally shut up about," what? It sounds like "store", but that doesn't make sense.
Shut up about "it all"
I think he’s saying “he might finally shut up about it all”?
@@lyre496agree
Honestly, I would say the same thing too because ever since this whole marriage and Diane and he couldn’t stop shutting up about Camila so if he marries her he finally shut up aboutCamilla
I don’t think Charles should have marry Camilla for the reason that she made Diana’s life a living hell 👎🏽
I’m glad harry left
I wouldn’t have accepted her ………
So you would demand your father stay lonely for life just because his new partner isn't your mother?
@ i couldn’t demand anything he s an adult, but i wouldn’t give my blessing and she certainly wouldn’t be part of my life
I kind of understand this situation and feel a little sympathetic to Charles and Camilla. At some point after Diana’s death it only makes sense to recognize the reality and try to move on with life as best you can. At this point in time they’ve been married longer than Charles and Diana had. She does obviously make him happy, and they seem well-matched. Very tragic and hard on the children, and that’s a shame. It sucks if what happened in the series is true where the boys’ true feelings are disregarded. The situation and family dynamic is far from perfect. I do think people are taken advantage of all in sacrifice to the monarchy. It’s a very tough situation no matter what happened-if they got married or not.
Why does anyone have these discussions with their kids? The parent is going to do what he wants, regardless of who he hurts. Everything is fine as long as you go along with what the future king wants.
Because of the massive exception these ppl are.
Because William will be the next king. So EXACTLY - you want to be sure that the next king is on board.
I saw a pic where William was laughing with that Mistress. Pathetic! Is it British culture? That you are chilling with the woman who ruined your mother's mental health, life? Whole British media harassed Harry, but he is the only Prince. A person who loves throne more than his Mother is a disgusting person. In any country/ culture/ religion this type of behavior is unacceptable.
who was this woman so I look it up
They call it brainwashing if you criticize your father (in every culture, the mother is always the villain)
Diana had mental health issues throughout her life, a public life and divorce didn't help, however she was also intelligent and manipulative as she often alerted the press as to where she would be. I think Charles and Diana did the right thing divorcing because neither loved the other from the beginning, and they were doing well coparenting. Laughing with your step mother isn't bad, whatever transpired between his parents is between them, he had nothing to do with it. As for loving a throne more than his mother, his mother is dead, of course he loves her and misses her, he's discussed that, and the impact losing her had on his own mental and emotional well being.
And didn't you see the hundreds of photos of Harry laughing with Camilla? Also, in case you didn't realize, these are actors and in real life both William and Harry begged Charles not to marry Camilla 🙄
It is English culture. They say British, but the Scots and Welsh are way better than that.
Harry is the only one in the family who loved Diana truly and fought for her honor
And thats exactly why he and his wife is using Diana's name to mint money now. Yes, to "honour" her.
1:59 He predicted his own fathers future about being the king
I love this, because in this moment you can see what is more important and what going to destroy themselfs.
I'm happy Harry left the firm. Those people are weird. Camilla been a long, long side chick and is partly responsible for that woman's death. Had Charles not been a prince, she wouldn't have given him the time of day.
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Charles and Camilla always belonged together. This is what happens when the family forbids you from marrying the right person, and instead pushes you into a union with the wrong, all for optics. Diana was a beautiful head case and pathological attention-seeker. She was also a profligate spender. "The People's Princess" sure spent plenty of their money.
Ghost Charles is marrying his caretaker. What did he say again? I drink the blood of your tampon? Blood drinker Charley . 😅
Can't we just put this whole dog and pony show to bed? The monarchy is nothing but a soap opera. Cancel the show for low ratings.
Well this season is the last season, you're good.
@@sydneycolquitt2189 I meant the monarchy itself. The series was enjoyable.
It ended last year with season 6. The monarchy brings in more than 10x their cost each year in revenues, especially in tourism.
This is punishment for anyone who separated charles and camilla in the first place
Diana doesn’t deserve punishment.
What is fascinating about this conversation is if it did happen, when did it happen? Charles and the Cow got married in 2005, Diana was killed in 1997, that means this conversation happened in 2003, maybe 2004. That's only 6 or 7 years after Diana's passing. In my opinion, they could have waited longer but Charles never thinks about Diana. Even in death.
Grow up. FFS
Tbh, not a fan of Harry but that actor’s impression of Harry is god awful, Harry is dumb and rebellious but he was never a sociopath, like the dude was actually really really likeable, it all only went downhill post marrying his wife
Well as long as he’s happy after destroying an innocent woman.
Innocent? lol.
How Charles can sleep at night after everything he did
More real? Harry has done nothing but being an entitled , rude abd thoughless brat.
I don't like this netflix series.
Its criminal to put fictional stories on living people who can't defend themselves.
This scene alone shows that William was born to lead 😅
This scene isn’t real. It comes from the imagination of the show’s writers.
To brown nose you mean.
@@kepckatherinec805 Seriously??? Thanks so much we didn't know it wasn't a documentary! Priceless information.
Camilla Camilla Camilla ,marsha marsha marsha. Bluh and boring and replacing the the true princess.
Jesus yes is God
I understand whatever happened to them( kids) wasnt right. if they wer muslims they wouldnt have this problem, they can marry 2 wife.
The British Crown is Christian
Oh please, educate yourself. Not every muslim man in every country can have 2 wives at the same time. It's mostly in the muslim countries/middle east that they can do that while in most of the non-muslim countries a muslim man can legally be married to only one. There are muslims all around the world, not just in the middle east.
2 wives would have made it worse
For example in Turkey man only marry to one woman
Charles is not polyamorous
So many people villifying Charles for marrying the love of his life and having a loving stable wife. While idolizing a dead attention-seeker with a borderline personality disorder who never actually loved him for him, ruined multiple marriages by being a town bike and kept making a spectacle of herself up until her last breath.