David Hewlett should have been awarded an Emmy, a Gemini, a Saturn, or something for this episode. Not only did he manage to portray McKay both "normal" and in full blown "second childhood", but he also managed to show multiple stage progressions. Some serious acting chops there. When I first saw Hewlett's performance, I was reminded of Mickey Rooney's award-winning performance in the 1981 TV movie "Bill" as a developmentally disabled man.
Probably one of the hardest episodes to watch, which made it all the better. Desperately sad to see his decline so fast. 11/10 to David Hewlett's acting.
Re-watching this Keller's voice acting is also great it adds great depth to the relationship between the two, you can almost hear her holding back tears
I must disagree. This episode is really good, one of my most favorite but the one where Becket dies is much more sadder for me. Maybe just because all of the bad happened so suddenly but in this episode it just not so sad but for most of the episode. But I must say that they messed up both of these episodes. This one when they healed Rodney in almost Deus ex machina way an the other one when Becket was suddenly alive. As clone, but still...
I couldn’t find anything of the sort but David Hewlett has either watched a close relative down the path of mental degradation by e.g Alzheimer’s or really put his heart into researching this one. Although some credits go to the writers of course but speaking from personal experiences his acting is on point...and I mean really on point. The frustration, the fear, the turning back to secure places, memories or persons...phenomenal acting on his part and all of that just for one episode and for around 5 minutes total in that episode. I‘m stunned.
It's when Rodney knows enough to actually say goodbye to everyone he knows to that that point, because of the deep care, even love, he has for everyone which his superego (and, yes, him being on the high-functioning end of the autistic spectrum - I have Asperger's Syndrome, and recognise it in the character, even if it is 'only acting'), wouldnt let him acknowledge, was the 'point of the spear' for me emotionally. I often say that I 'insult', but not vehemently, those I both trust and care about, even love. This is not easy, nor do I deal with rebuffs, nor compliments, very well, but I am aware of my boundaries - bit for years, before being diagnosed, I really wasn't - and how to effectively socially interact well enough, reading other people's responses, because Aspies are socially and facially 'blind', and knowing the subtleties of emotional responses. It's mentally and physically exhausting, and can lead to, and often does, to inappropriate reactions and coping strategies if not recognised. This often leads to trouble for the Aspie, who often doesn't realise how or why they got there. Rodney does the same, as well as misinterpreting responses, especially sexual ones when we met him in SG:1 regarding Carter. Whether David Hewlett was aware of these traits in his character or not, or even within himself, I don't know. But this episode exposed a lot and hit many still-raw nerves in me. The episode 'The Tao of Rodney' is another episode, a bittersweet comedy, is another McKay milestone in showing us another side to this complicated personality. David Hewlett should receive accolades, even Oscars, for these portrayals, and I thank him and the writers of SGA, for so sensitively dealing with these issues.. This episodic clip should be shown to every nurse and psychiatrist, therapist, or whatever, in training or practice as part of their mandatory upgrading. In my humble opinion, of course. Oh, and we talk, write and try to do too much if we dont or can't realise it. Thus this longish comment.
Honestly, probably one of the best episodes in the entire franchise. SGU's episode with Eli's mother strikes a similar chord. SG-1 has a few episodes that also strike a similar tone as well. Heroes part 1 and 2 comes to mind.
Someone says that "Sunday" episode is the most emotional one from SGA. I disagree, this episode destroyed me completely. Worst thing you can think of that this disease actually exists and that's the sad thing. Thanks to David's acting, tear dropped.
@@UnitAlir While those episodes you listed are also sad, I have to agree that this one hit the hardest for me as well. I'm genuinely not sure what would be worse to go through. Being in Rodney's place where you slowly loose your mind and know you can do nothing to stop it, or being in his sister's place and watch powerlessly as your sibling suffer and fade away.
He forgot nearly everything, but the love for his friend John, remained. watching him scared and confused, calling for John, always hits me hard. Especially since Rodney would never act like that or show that kind of emotion.
I never felt such a connection to Rodney until I started forgetting little things. It's so frustrating trying to explain to someone that knows what you are trying to say but they let you flounder around until you get upset and shut down because they expect you to be the same after going through treatments for cancer.
his skill to show what memory loss over time can be ... is spot on ...... my grandmother with age dementia had her memory taken from her over years ... i went septic few yrs back and coded (yes i died ) but they brought me back ... ive got long term N short term memory loss ... the doctors dont know if its permanent but there are blocks of long term memory that still hard to get ....at age 45
There are 3 episodes that to me, personally, invoke the most tears and heartfelt emotions. Sunday for the loss of beckett and how people feel when they lose someone they truly love. This episode here where Rodney loses his memories because it's a very real disease which isn't fair and is truly terrifying and of course the episode entitled the Last man where Sheppard is shot into the future and has to learn how 1 by 1 all of his friends died and suffered in some pretty crazy ways and he wasn't there to help in any way. This show is a true work of art and a very real masterpiece.
This is one of the sadest scifi sequence I've ever seen. Saw it when it was first broadcast. I know the outcome we know, but the journey to that outcome is tear jerking.
Strong connections are often the last to go before total loss of short-term memory. Talk to a patient with Alzheimer's Syndrome about their early life and they can tell you in near-detail. Ask them about what they had for dinner, ect, and that's gone. Strong relationships, as I inferred , are often the last memories to go; as a nurse who worked with people with this,or similar, conditions during my career, I know this.
I still can't watch this episode without a little tear. This role was played perfectly. It hurts and moves, it touches on what may be inevitable. I watch the series again and it always stops me at this point. 😥😢
Yet to see this episode. Watching the reruns at the moment. Recent episode I saw was the volcano erupting on a planet and the team help the inhabitants to evacuate in two spaceships. Rodney helped with an inactive ship. Gotta say he is my favourite character.
"Did I ever tell you about the time I had to activate an Ancient hyperdrive just seconds away from an erupting supervolcano?" Todd (tiredly): "Yes. _Several_ times now!"
The most heart-breaking part of all this is the day counter in the bottom right. Rodney goes from reciting 12 digits of Pi to barely even having object permanence... in just over 2 weeks. And he knows it's happening the entire time.
Frickin' amazing acting, really. I always liked his character anyway, but that's not why I say so. I work around patients with end of life issues, and many of them are in the latter stages of dementia. The anger and desperation he displays here is very common, and he really nailed it. If you haven't spent any time around that sort of thing, his behavior might seem silly, but if you have, it's pretty chilling. Before I took this job, I had all kinds of ideas of the worst way to die, none of which were very rational, really. Never occurred to me just how terrible it is to lose your mind, your _self._ Its terrible for the patient, it's terrible for their family, it's just... such an awful, heartbreaking thing.
Fought depression for 14 years. Not really over it, but I'm not thinking of suicide anymore. The only time I would ever consider it is if I started to suffer from something like dementia. At that point, I would do it as soon as possible. My biggest fear is not to be me anymore.
@@squashiejoshie200000 Right there with ya, bud. Suicidal depression all my life up till about a few years ago when I slowly started getting a handle on it. Now in hard times where I can't see a way out, I get depressed and I think "Well, there is ONE way." but I know I won't so I just ride the wave of sadness till it passes, which it always does. But dementia, though... I'm getting older now and sometimes when my memory or rationality slips, I feel like I'm being chased by a black cloud that will consume all I've ever done, all I've ever experienced. If that day ever comes, please God don't let me live. Kill me so dead they couldn't bring me back in a test tube if they tried.
I am sure David had looked into people with Alzheimer’s progression, getting increasingly frustrated at every little thing because they can’t remember who or what or where or when or why, and more over, getting frustrated at themselves for not remembering
This episode encapsulates that which I fear the most about one day ultimately turning old. Losing the control of my muscles, while frustrating I could probably learn to accept. But slowly losing my memory and control of my mind, that scares me.
I would like to see an extended scene of this where they show how they found out that McKay was losing his memory. Like he was showing kindness but how did that digress down to memory loss (before the first day on camera). That would be a cool extended scene (like deleted or something)
"The Shrine" has the distinction of being the 300th episode of the overall Stargate franchise. They're banking on that sentiment to make the episode work.
@@MartinTraXAA It's a problem when you're entertaining a friend and you pull up a list of "best Stargate Atlantis Episodes" and show them episodes from a series you love.
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Well, in the episode, we find out that the illness is parascitical in nature and, finally, easily dealt with, relatively speaking. If only it could be so in real life. I bet there is something, but Big Pharma wouldn't make much cash on the drug, so has sat on it. But, try Coconut Oil - there are indications that it can help, even in advanced cases. Google it.
David Hewlett should have been awarded an Emmy, a Gemini, a Saturn, or something for this episode. Not only did he manage to portray McKay both "normal" and in full blown "second childhood", but he also managed to show multiple stage progressions. Some serious acting chops there. When I first saw Hewlett's performance, I was reminded of Mickey Rooney's award-winning performance in the 1981 TV movie "Bill" as a developmentally disabled man.
Agreed he’s routinely demonstrated himself as an incredibly gifted actor this episode really let him flex his proverbial muscles
People rightly say that about any episode he's in where he treads outside of character.
100 PER CENT❤
@@vincentcushnahan5292 Look up " Flowers for Algernon " & the film adaptation. I'm sure they used that as a reference.
This episode never fails to make me ball my eyes out like a new born child 😢
"Doctors are smart, I am a Mister now." Despite his condition, Rodney is still Rodney. Amazing scene.
na he just needs a little radiation therapy and a hole drilling into his head and he'll be back the the old mekay in no time at all
Mister is a rank above dr.
I always thought this was an in joke.
@@sugarnads ok Mister!!!!
His acting in this scene is damn near perfect.
Strongly agreed.
Indeed.
I think it is awesome that he forgot everything and everyone expect for John. True friendship right there.
JediKnightK when you are too nervous to be alone with your girlfriend and calls out for your best friend as your wingman
He didn't forget the others but John was the one that he could remember right away without trying.
It's sweet, but also accurate, facts and emotional memories are stored in different parts of the brain, as well as long term and short term etc
Probably one of the hardest episodes to watch, which made it all the better. Desperately sad to see his decline so fast. 11/10 to David Hewlett's acting.
He played this ep so amazingly .
Re-watching this Keller's voice acting is also great it adds great depth to the relationship between the two, you can almost hear her holding back tears
The part where he says, "....for god's sake.... the Pegasus galaxy." always chokes me up.
I get emotional when he gets to talking about Pi.
This has to be the saddest Stargate Atlantis episode. But beautifully peiced together.
I must disagree. This episode is really good, one of my most favorite but the one where Becket dies is much more sadder for me. Maybe just because all of the bad happened so suddenly but in this episode it just not so sad but for most of the episode. But I must say that they messed up both of these episodes. This one when they healed Rodney in almost Deus ex machina way an the other one when Becket was suddenly alive. As clone, but still...
The acting is superb
The most emotional episode for me.
Knowing you are losing yourself is extremely difficult, Hewlett was amazing in this episode.
I couldn’t find anything of the sort but David Hewlett has either watched a close relative down the path of mental degradation by e.g Alzheimer’s or really put his heart into researching this one. Although some credits go to the writers of course but speaking from personal experiences his acting is on point...and I mean really on point. The frustration, the fear, the turning back to secure places, memories or persons...phenomenal acting on his part and all of that just for one episode and for around 5 minutes total in that episode. I‘m stunned.
Hm, it reminded me a bit of Forrest Gump, the way he pronounced the words and moved his fingers.
"I keep seeing a face... I think it's my mother. I don't recognise her. She's saying words to me... I don't know them."
When he call out for John I cry every time...
It's when Rodney knows enough to actually say goodbye to everyone he knows to that that point, because of the deep care, even love, he has for everyone which his superego (and, yes, him being on the high-functioning end of the autistic spectrum - I have Asperger's Syndrome, and recognise it in the character, even if it is 'only acting'), wouldnt let him acknowledge, was the 'point of the spear' for me emotionally.
I often say that I 'insult', but not vehemently, those I both trust and care about, even love. This is not easy, nor do I deal with rebuffs, nor compliments, very well, but I am aware of my boundaries - bit for years, before being diagnosed, I really wasn't - and how to effectively socially interact well enough, reading other people's responses, because Aspies are socially and facially 'blind', and knowing the subtleties of emotional responses. It's mentally and physically exhausting, and can lead to, and often does, to inappropriate reactions and coping strategies if not recognised. This often leads to trouble for the Aspie, who often doesn't realise how or why they got there.
Rodney does the same, as well as misinterpreting responses, especially sexual ones when we met him in SG:1 regarding Carter.
Whether David Hewlett was aware of these traits in his character or not, or even within himself, I don't know.
But this episode exposed a lot and hit many still-raw nerves in me.
The episode 'The Tao of Rodney' is another episode, a bittersweet comedy, is another McKay milestone in showing us another side to this complicated personality.
David Hewlett should receive accolades, even Oscars, for these portrayals, and I thank him and the writers of SGA, for so sensitively dealing with these issues..
This episodic clip should be shown to every nurse and psychiatrist, therapist, or whatever, in training or practice as part of their mandatory upgrading. In my humble opinion, of course.
Oh, and we talk, write and try to do too much if we dont or can't realise it. Thus this longish comment.
This episode was so different. Deserves an award in my opinion. The omious music. The slow decent getting darker.
One of the most heartfelt stories
Agreed.
Honestly, probably one of the best episodes in the entire franchise. SGU's episode with Eli's mother strikes a similar chord. SG-1 has a few episodes that also strike a similar tone as well. Heroes part 1 and 2 comes to mind.
Someone says that "Sunday" episode is the most emotional one from SGA. I disagree, this episode destroyed me completely. Worst thing you can think of that this disease actually exists and that's the sad thing. Thanks to David's acting, tear dropped.
When Carson died. That's all I'll say
When Weir came back only to die again
@@UnitAlir While those episodes you listed are also sad, I have to agree that this one hit the hardest for me as well. I'm genuinely not sure what would be worse to go through. Being in Rodney's place where you slowly loose your mind and know you can do nothing to stop it, or being in his sister's place and watch powerlessly as your sibling suffer and fade away.
David is absolutely phenomenal in this scene.
this,the tao of rodney and sunday had me cryin so hard
Just awake, I see Stargate Atlantis, I click. Damn, I was not ready for this.
Masterfully played and so very well thought out!
DH did an absolutely amazing job in many episodes of SGA but this is the most touching of all episodes for me.
The best episode in Atlantis
He forgot nearly everything, but the love for his friend John, remained. watching him scared and confused, calling for John, always hits me hard.
Especially since Rodney would never act like that or show that kind of emotion.
The fact that he still remember John's name say's a lot
John and Carson were Rodneys best friends. Of course he'd remember them right to the end. lol
I never felt such a connection to Rodney until I started forgetting little things. It's so frustrating trying to explain to someone that knows what you are trying to say but they let you flounder around until you get upset and shut down because they expect you to be the same after going through treatments for cancer.
Can you imagine how much more emotional this episode could have been if Elizabeth were in it?
his skill to show what memory loss over time can be ... is spot on ...... my grandmother with age dementia had her memory taken from her over years ... i went septic few yrs back and coded (yes i died ) but they brought me back ... ive got long term N short term memory loss ... the doctors dont know if its permanent but there are blocks of long term memory that still hard to get ....at age 45
There are 3 episodes that to me, personally, invoke the most tears and heartfelt emotions. Sunday for the loss of beckett and how people feel when they lose someone they truly love. This episode here where Rodney loses his memories because it's a very real disease which isn't fair and is truly terrifying and of course the episode entitled the Last man where Sheppard is shot into the future and has to learn how 1 by 1 all of his friends died and suffered in some pretty crazy ways and he wasn't there to help in any way. This show is a true work of art and a very real masterpiece.
This is one of the sadest scifi sequence I've ever seen. Saw it when it was first broadcast. I know the outcome we know, but the journey to that outcome is tear jerking.
That was hard to watch. Damned good actor.
He forgot everyone except for his best buddy John
Strong connections are often the last to go before total loss of short-term memory. Talk to a patient with Alzheimer's Syndrome about their early life and they can tell you in near-detail. Ask them about what they had for dinner, ect, and that's gone.
Strong relationships, as I inferred , are often the last memories to go; as a nurse who worked with people with this,or similar, conditions during my career, I know this.
I still can't watch this episode without a little tear. This role was played perfectly. It hurts and moves, it touches on what may be inevitable. I watch the series again and it always stops me at this point. 😥😢
This episode destroyed me
Agreed.
I can't help but wonder if the guy who wrote this script ever read "Flowers for Algernon".
Yes, great book and great film as well.
i love this episode because it perfectly incapsulates what it is like for someone going through dementia and the people watching them go through it.
Yet to see this episode. Watching the reruns at the moment. Recent episode I saw was the volcano erupting on a planet and the team help the inhabitants to evacuate in two spaceships. Rodney helped with an inactive ship. Gotta say he is my favourite character.
"Did I ever tell you about the time I had to activate an Ancient hyperdrive just seconds away from an erupting supervolcano?"
Todd (tiredly): "Yes. _Several_ times now!"
The most heart-breaking part of all this is the day counter in the bottom right. Rodney goes from reciting 12 digits of Pi to barely even having object permanence... in just over 2 weeks. And he knows it's happening the entire time.
this made me cry so much cause he looks like my step dad and if he for got everything I would cry an cry because he was the best
Agh, gets me every time :'(
Frickin' amazing acting, really. I always liked his character anyway, but that's not why I say so. I work around patients with end of life issues, and many of them are in the latter stages of dementia. The anger and desperation he displays here is very common, and he really nailed it. If you haven't spent any time around that sort of thing, his behavior might seem silly, but if you have, it's pretty chilling. Before I took this job, I had all kinds of ideas of the worst way to die, none of which were very rational, really. Never occurred to me just how terrible it is to lose your mind, your _self._ Its terrible for the patient, it's terrible for their family, it's just... such an awful, heartbreaking thing.
Fought depression for 14 years. Not really over it, but I'm not thinking of suicide anymore. The only time I would ever consider it is if I started to suffer from something like dementia. At that point, I would do it as soon as possible. My biggest fear is not to be me anymore.
@@squashiejoshie200000 Right there with ya, bud. Suicidal depression all my life up till about a few years ago when I slowly started getting a handle on it. Now in hard times where I can't see a way out, I get depressed and I think "Well, there is ONE way." but I know I won't so I just ride the wave of sadness till it passes, which it always does. But dementia, though... I'm getting older now and sometimes when my memory or rationality slips, I feel like I'm being chased by a black cloud that will consume all I've ever done, all I've ever experienced. If that day ever comes, please God don't let me live. Kill me so dead they couldn't bring me back in a test tube if they tried.
That episode hit hard.
I am sure David had looked into people with Alzheimer’s progression, getting increasingly frustrated at every little thing because they can’t remember who or what or where or when or why, and more over, getting frustrated at themselves for not remembering
I know it’s not real, but this is heartbreaking
I looove him, I miss the scene when he confess
I can't watch day 15 without tearing up... 😥
❤sidence reasearch me know Maribeth 😅
I remember this being a difficult episode to watch. David acted his Ass off in this.
So damn good.
This episode encapsulates that which I fear the most about one day ultimately turning old. Losing the control of my muscles, while frustrating I could probably learn to accept. But slowly losing my memory and control of my mind, that scares me.
Just curious, what is Zalenka head of? He says in at least one episode that he's a Department head, I think?
I like to think he is remembering his sister saying she loves him and not his mom
Having a mother that slowly lost her memory little by little to dementia. This episode touches me. Because I know what it is like to watch it happen.
I would like to see an extended scene of this where they show how they found out that McKay was losing his memory. Like he was showing kindness but how did that digress down to memory loss (before the first day on camera). That would be a cool extended scene (like deleted or something)
I only wanted to show the videos he and Keller created in chronological order. Thought it would be a good idea.
My dad is a doctor who says the same thing now because he has Alzheimer's. "I'm not a doctor any more". But you are, dad.
Why is the very last recorging missing? I mean when he tells her he loves her.
ua-cam.com/video/L5ccRa_z47k/v-deo.html
Right. I took it out because I only wanted him. That last one cuts over to Keller.
This episode is very good
Flowers for Algernon
This episode reminds me of the book Flowers for Algernon, except in reverse. I wonder if the writers took inspiration from it.
God I miss SGA.
What i wondered most were the solutions they were trying to attempt.
Great character work here. The only problem is that episodes like this depend on the viewer already knowing the character well.
...how is that a problem when the episode is far into a running series and focused on a main character?
well 5 seasons in you would expect them to know him by then
"The Shrine" has the distinction of being the 300th episode of the overall Stargate franchise. They're banking on that sentiment to make the episode work.
@@MartinTraXAA It's a problem when you're entertaining a friend and you pull up a list of "best Stargate Atlantis Episodes" and show them episodes from a series you love.
@@Thalanox Then perhaps use a different episode than one which premise is built upon familiarity with the series and characters?
Fk that was hard to watch...if you've ever known someone in RL...man.
Too bad the "I love you Jennifer" didn't make it.
That was not added because I only wanted the video of him. That part cuts to Jennifer so it wouldn't make sense to throw it in here.
Not to mention her hastily shutting it off when li'l sis shows up.
What episode was this?
Season 5, Episode 6
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The Good Doctor can't act like this...... or is it a rare form of illness totally different from The Good Doctors tv series....
Well, in the episode, we find out that the illness is parascitical in nature and, finally, easily dealt with, relatively speaking. If only it could be so in real life.
I bet there is something, but Big Pharma wouldn't make much cash on the drug, so has sat on it.
But, try Coconut Oil - there are indications that it can help, even in advanced cases. Google it.
A Monday hangover is a bitch.