The Scam of Seasonal Color Analysis
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As an artist, I am into colour theory, I am ok with seasonal analysis, but I have seen it poorly applied a lot. Only skin matters, not hair and not eyes. You can apply it to any skin colour. However it’s just an idea, a tool to work with, not rules. Wear what you like.
tbh same, I don't wear yellow because it makes me very pale to the point where people express concern for my health but other than that, if I like a color, I'll wear it. and my yellow rule came about in my childhood as a result of the dramatic reactions people had, not because an "expert" told me not to wear it. I just got tired of being asked if I was about to faint, lol.
Agreed wholeheartedly
I think maybe at least hair should apply but I think it depends on how you’re applying it. But honestly I think it should be based on color theory alone tbh lol
I wonder why you think that only skin matters. I mean skin, eye and hair color build an entity aesthetically. I've seen it in myself and in everyone else. I have seen nobody with a skin tone that doesn't match the eyes or hair in some way.
Huge agree! I think if you already have a sense of what you like and what looks good on you, you don't need to rely on something like seasonal analysis. However, it seems like a good system to fall back on for inspiration and guidance if you're feeling a little stumped on an outfit idea and are willing to bend the "rules" as you see fit. I can also see it being a valuable tool for someone just starting out on their style journey to help them develop a sense of personal style. It should be viewed as simply one tool out of many for the intrepid stylist.
My pet peeve with seasonal color theory is that it says that 3/4 of people shouldn’t wear black because it’s not flattering…. I’m sorry, I have not once in my life seen someone wearing black and thought „yikes, black makes them look bad“
edit: because multiple people are saying it, I do believe that some people look paler/ashier when wearing black (not 75% tho, that's a crazy number) but I do believe that the only person who usually notices that is the person themselves.
i'm a goth and a metalhead so i pretty much only wear black and bright red. i would never stop wearing either of them, my apologies experts
Agree with the first part but my mom wears black and instantly turns yellow. It was nice to figure out that there was a reason she spent my whole life telling me to stop wearing black, no one looks good in it, and it had nothing to do with me.
@@80apocryphal13 speak for yourself tho, just because you don't see yourself look good in black it doesn't mean that it doesn't look good on anyone
@@ink_puke_ Lmao, that's like all I wear, what I said was I agree with the 1st part BUT it is totally possible for people to hit yikes. It's also pretty common that when someone says something 'looks bad' they're projecting because they're super aware of it.
Well, I know plenty of people who look either aged or greyed when wearing black, but that also depends on several things. If you usually wear make up (it doesn't need to be a lot), you can get away with wearing a lot that would not typically suit you by the definition of seasonal color analysis. If you have naturally dark features (dark lashes and brows) it also doesn't look "that" off, even if you are not a winter. Fashion looks, editorial looks and edgy looks are an aesthetic that you can follow/create without being a "matching" season. It all depends on personal liking. No one says you can't do that. Also: no one says, you absolutely need to stick to colors a professional told you to/are your best. It all depends on the person themselves. The perception of each individual person is so varied that while one will like the harmony seasonal color analysis is trying to create, another one will find that very boring and seek contrast and opposites in a look (which is what color analysis would not suggest/recommend). If you're an autumn but love wearing magenta, go for it. If you're a winter but love to wear soft summer colors, go for it. If you're a summer but love black, go for it. Seasonal color analysis is more for those who really want to stick to it. Just like any other repertoire of "rules" and recommendations in terms of fashion and style aesthetics. Who says you can't wear what you love? Don't listen to them. Listen to yourself.
As someone who, in theory, likes color analysis I wholeheartedly agree with a lot of points you made, especially with the one about how it would be better if specialists just pointed out the effect of the color rather than saying "use this not that".
I also wanted to add that most color specialists don't understand alternative fashion... like at all. I keep using my "worst colors" because I want the gloomy effect they give me. Quite ironically color analysis helped me to identify them but I had to ignore the constant "DON'T WEAR THAT" lol.
I really wish color analysis was used as a tool to personally find new palettes, color families and the effects of them without the amount of subjective (disguised as objective) rules and straight up rudeness that now has, like a self-reflection exercise on our style goals maybe? Idk I just want people have fun experimenting with fashion ❤️
Excellent point. Looking at color interaction in terms of its specific effects is so much more interesting that just labeling it as good or bad. That would be like the foolishness of saying that a song which uses dissonant chords or a minor scale is inherently a bad song.
That's a problem I also had with this stuff, sometimes we don't want to present like they describe but that's totally ignored. It feels like I'm getting brainwashed.
Love this point. They're all about harmony, and looking your best and I'm like... sometimes I want to look like I'm fundamentally tired of my colleagues' bullshit.
yes I 100% agree! it's helpful to point out what effects colours can have so people can get a better understanding of colour as a whole. the focus should be on finding clothes that make you feel good about yourself when you look in the mirror and many times it's not going to be the same as what any of these systems deem as "most flattering". I completely get that many people haven't discovered what clothes they feel the best in (which is why they use these systems) but I think it's best to try on a bunch of different clothes and see how you feel in them. if an "expert" tells you a certain outfit looks flattering on you but you don't feel any particular way about it then you've gained nothing. these rules could limit you as much as they could help
alt fashion is a good point to bring up so I'm glad you did! alternative fashion doesn't fit in this narrow idea of what's conventionally flattering yet so many people love and wear alt fashion. let's use goth fashion as an example. wearing a lot of black + dark makeup creates colour coordination within the outfit and makes it look intentional and balanced regardless of what someone's skin/eye/hair colour is. if black makes someone's skin tone look more ashy or sickly it just adds to the vibe they're going for. alt fashion (and mainstream fashion forward stuff) use so many unconventional styling techniques and make it look cool and intentional so there really isn't any objective rule on what looks good
Interesting point of view and very understandable. I think of the season color analysis as a tool to find your colors that flatter you in a natural way the most. So you can walk around without makeup and with your natural hair color and shine in all your natural colors. I don't know how else to describe it but for me it is more about looking natural, and making everything look seemless.
But of course I understand that not everyone would want that. Some people don't want to look natural but are into some type of fashion that is maybe bright and loud and makes them look in a certain unique way, like ghotic, punk and other styles I can't name now.
In the end beauty is the eye of the beholder and so is fashion.
Wear what makes you happy and comfortable.
I went to art school and have taken a lot of colour theory classes! I think your hair looks good because it’s a good contrast against your skin tone. Temperature contrast between the cool tones of your skin and warm tones of your hair and also a tonal contrast between your light skin and darker hair. Also the green of your eyes and the orange of your hair are both secondary colours which really mesh well together! :)
Fellow art graduate here. I definitely agree! Certain people look good in certain colors because of the underlying colors in their skin, compared and contrasted to other features like hair and eyes. But I don’t think anyone should be obligated to look a certain way for anyone’s pleasure other than their own!
@@beepwrld please talk about men triangulating various races of women against each other as the Ideal Woman there's like the Grace kelly blonde Becky white housewife, now the Asian Tiger Mom Hyper Efficient Boss STEM worker, the Republican Black Woman making grits like make it make sense.
Also, don't a lot of gingers have pale skin / cool undertones? Maybe it just looks natural
As a (mostly) self-taught acrylic painter and working makeup artist, I believe the deeper warm shade of her hair accentuates the pale cool tone(s) of her eyes. Any color that brings light/focus to one’s eyes is perceived as flattering.
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I always see that black women have issues finding their color season bc a lot of the color analysis people haven’t set the system up well for them (with the exception of creators I’ve seen who explicitly state that they are focusing on color analysis for black women). I feel like if color analysis isn’t good at being inclusive to other races than white, it’s probably not the most reliable system
Oop you just said this in the video. But yeah! I agree wholeheartedly and that’s my main reason I don’t trust it.
I mean it‘s inherently racist in a way cause it implies ppl with certain skin tones aren‘t allowed to wear stuff others with different skin can. It‘s exclusionary. It‘s like telling a black person they can‘t be goth or something. I personally find it problematic tbh. Fashion is self expression. Not a skin tone based dictatorship.
@@takke9830 Definitely problematic. And the problematic aspects of it point to the system being flawed and not working as a whole if it only works well with white skin. I understand that it’s harder to make color theory stuff more inclusive because skin colors vary so different things work for different people, but maybe we shouldn’t pretend the system works for everyone if it doesn’t.
@@takke9830yes, I researched it once and for my skin tone the only options were the darker palettes, meaning if I were to follow it I'd never wear lighter and brighter colours, which are my favourite.
I have seen some videos which explained the color season well and it included black people as well. It is a lot about the undertone of the skin, which does work on darker complexions as well.
I don't necessarily buy into colour theory or body typing systems, and I see a lot of the issues with them, but it's always strange to hear people push back against them by saying "You already know what you like/what makes you feel good to wear!" when these systems seem to me to be created especially for those people who *don't* know those things. For people who like how something looks on a friend or on the hanger but then try it on and don't feel good about how it looks in the mirror. These systems seem to be intended as tools for that person to better understand why what they've been trying hasn't been making them feel good and to find things that will make them feel good.
There are colours I love, but when I put them on I feel like they overpower me. There are silhouettes that seem really cool, but when I try them they don't give the effect I was aiming for. It might be nice to have someone who has spent a lot of time observing different people make recommendations that help me narrow down the time spent in changerooms, you know? I agree that I dislike prescriptive language around systems, but when treated as imperfect tools I think they probably provide more value to confused people seeking direction than dismissive "you know what you like" comments do 😄
I love this comment! For me I lacked a lot of confidence in my body, skin, my face etc. and everytime I would put something on I felt bad, nothing looked good. So then I started to do more research about my body shape, face shape, skin type and what colors look good on me. And I noticed that when I tried to do things that worked better for my body type, the clothes looked more flattering on me, and I felt more comfortable. All of a sudden I didn't feel like hiding things anymore, I felt confident. So I truly agree that some of these "systems" can help people feel more sure about what they need. Also I'd rather want 4 pieces of clothing from a system like this, and know that I will feel good wearing them, than having 15 pieces I never wear because I realised they didn't look good on me.
I think you hit the nail on the head . Not everyone is or wants to be a groundbreaking fashionista. A lot of people just want to look nice enough that they feel comfortable and are able to navigate society. Fast fashion driven trend cycling has made the act of getting dresses ripe for decision fatigue and over consumption. Its actually better for your mental health and the planet if you apply restrictions to what is is you wear. Maybe these restrictions are base on a styling system maybe they are based on something else. Either way not wearing a trend because you were to afraid to break a rule is a small hazard compared to wastefully falling for every trend .
It really bothers me that color analysis in its original form was racist - and I get angry at the idea that all black people are either deep autumn or deep winter (my husband is black and my daughter is biracial so it feels personal for me). HOWEVER there are some fantastic people of color who have adapted seasonal color analysis to fit different ethnicities. I think you would be hard pressed to watch - say, Style by Danielle, for example, and think, “Well, that was racist because the original idea from 100 years ago that this is built upon wasn’t inclusive.” She’s super inclusive! And she gives such good information! You don’t have to throw the baby out with the bath water.
Personally, I spend a lot of money on clothes so I want to know I’m going to be happy with my clothing choices, and seasonal color analysis has helped with that. I also think it works better for me than it does for some people because I just happen to be in a color season I like and that I feel matches my personality. If it helps you, use it. If it doesn’t help you, don’t use it. 🤷♀️
@@aliciamcmurray-smith3780 yeah any idea that was formulated in the past is going to at least have some adjacency to some form of prejudice and I think part of advancing as a society comes with learning to fill in the gaps and improve on things while keeping what is useful. There are so many YT videos, insta accounts, and pinterest boards that are inclusive or fill in niches that were previously ignored which is such a good thing. I think we are better off highlighting these new creators and celebrating their innovations.
You can't do a "scientific study" on something that is purely based on what looks good. If you've ever met humans before, you can see that some people know how to make things look good and some do not.
i'm so here for all of this. like if you like how you look in a color, who cares what an expert says?
Especially when the so-called "experts" don't seem to have any actual credentials. 😂
It's not about telling you what not to wear, it's just guidance designed for people that just want something that looks good on them. Idc about that and I wear whatever, but not everyone is me and there are many people that find it useful
@@EvaLoVerde I didn't say it was about telling you what to wear? Literally all I said is if you like how you look in something, that's why matters. I can see how some people might want an external opinion if they're not sure, but overall I think looking at yourself in something is the best way to know if you feel like yourself in it and if you're happy w how it looks.
@@ArtichokeHunter if you know what you like, perfect, no need for color analyses! For people who has no idea and their closets are all over the place, color analyses has been a super useful tool. My mindset has shifted from trend-based (which I could never succeed in) to more finding my personal style.
But I want to know what I look good in.
I will admit though, I've noticed them say there's colours that look awful on people
This is totally how I feel about Kibbe body types! You should look into that. On the other hand, I like knowing things about myself and found out my color typing and my Kibbe type just for fun. Who cares if you know your typing or not, and that goes both ways.
exactly! i love doing these things for fun mostly to figure out how other people see me, but it hasn't had much of an effect on my actual style
also sometimes you just don't vibe with the aesthetic that they prescribe you. I'd be a gamine but I can't with the "quirky and polka dots" theme. Both systems are also not really inclusive to people who prefer less feminine forms of expression.
I like the very basic idea of kibbe typing. Like if you look sharp wear sharp things, if you look long wear long things. Not as hard rules tho, but guidelines when I'm feeling confused or frustrated with my style.
@@chrono4998I'd focus more on lines than styles when it comes to kibbe
I was about to comment that! It's a fun thing to do, like a silly quiz, but people going around wondering if the item they love fits into the criteria for kibbie, then the color season, and who knows what else. Then they wonder if they're doe pretty or cat pretty etc. And this is exactly how you start erasing yourself
Finally someone agrees!! I’ve always been in a camp “I can override your color analysis with a barest of minimums of makeups” 😂
But what if you want to limit make up? I can make black kind of work for me. To do it I have to use way more make up than I like (especially blush and bronzer) not to look sickly and make stronger eye make-up to match contrast between my skin and black. As a new mom, to be honest, I’ll go with anything that will look good on me without conditions like ‘just put on some make up’
@@bip5395 for me black also makes me look ashy but personally I just use glitter eyeshadows or highlighter to make my skin look more 'alive' and it works great. for me at least I don't know you but thats what works for me :)
@@bip5395. I prefer to just be able to throw something on and leave the house, too, with lipstick, blush and a little concealer, if needed for dressier occasions. Color analysis definitely helped me with that!
I think that's the point. If you need to use makeup to make a color look good on you, then it doesn't naturally look good on you.
I’m black and looked endlessly for color analysis for black women and I found only one! I was questioning color analysis myself and found it quite difficult and interesting. So many factors aren’t weighed imo. I just don’t know about getting a color analysis for 500$ is worth it?!
Do you really think it's worthwhile it?
Like, if it's really important for you and you feel bad without it, so maybe it's not bad idea. But if everything has been okay without this analysis, I think you don't really need it?
And I agree with author of this video that nobody can really analyze what colour looks better with your type of skins/eyes/hair.
And one more thing. Ask some questions yourself. Like "Do I like colors of the clothes I have now?", "Do I know what colors make me feel comfortable and confident?"(Sometimes you understand which color is better just by trying on clothes of that color on you in the store).
That's all what I wanted to say. I hope it's clear to understand what I said
its definitely not worth that price imo. if you really want to know your colors, i recommend just looking through your clothes and setting aside the ones that you feel most confident in. chances are you'll start to notice some trends in the color palette. if youre still unsure you could always ask your friends or family for their opinions. personality is just as much of a factor in your wardrobe colors as your appearance and your friends will know you a lot better than some self appointed "color analyst". might be even better if anyone you know happens to be an artist that works with color a lot. you could always do research on color theory yourself as well, theres tons of completely free resources out there for it. just remember though, color analysis should never be taken as a hard rule. if you enjoy how you look in a certain color, then its your color. period. dont let anyone tell you otherwise
@@gristen Yeah! I completely agree with you!
Me too, I'm black (and like most things fashion/beauty related) I have found it exceedingly difficult to find a color analysis for Black people. I found one also, which is probably the same one you found lmao. Always excluded or viewed as an afterthought 🤦🏾♀️
It‘s bs. I can tell you that from an artist‘s perspective. Clothes are made to fit you and your preferences. Not the other way around. Arbitrary limits like this are nothing more than some kind of useless limitation.
Not all people will fit 100% into a narrow category, but I like to take it as a starting off point. I wont be able to try ALL colors, so I am happy to know a direction. I feel like people who critique it the most have the luxury of already knowing in which colors they look and feel their best. I want to look in the mirror and like what I see. I am frustrated when I see a color on me that I like separate, but not on my body.
Exactly! That's my approach as well, and it has really helped me. I really don't agree with most of her critique anyway 🤷🏻♀️
@@ellie623same for me. I don’t agree either. Colour analysis made me appreciate my skin colour, and helped me find my style
She already have a basic understanding of color teory as an art major of course she can tell what colors looks best on her, most of people who wants to know what colors suit them best dont have a clear understanding of the color wheel, contrast,temperature etc I am one of them. Also color analysis should be taken as a sugestion is not like the fashion police can take you to jail for wearing an unflatering color in my case Orange or gold 😂
The four seasons (cool / warm) are now split up into 3 subgroups each (so 12 groups versus 4) That is enough to accomodate ALL races. It is about warm/cool colours plus intensity of colour - that is important for caucasians. For people with more dark melanin in the skin intensity becomes more important, the effects of warm/ cool colours are still noticable but it is more subtle.
The problem is that color analysis doesn't actually make people more confident, it just reinforces already present insecurities planted by the beauty industry. It's a similar process as a comestic surgeon making a video on someone with a crooked nose, explaining what they would do to "fix" that nose. Someone watching that video might have a crooked nose but never percieved it as ugly or in need of fixing until they saw this video and will now contact the surgeon in hopes to feel beautiful again. The surgeon successfully created an insecurity to offer a "solution" for a price. The real solution would be to tell that person that while some people don't find a crooked nose aesthetically pleasing to look at, other might find it beautiful, and that it's up to them to decide wether they find beauty in their nose.
Some people have taken beauty standards to heart so much so that they can't form any personal opinion on what looks good and what doesn't. A colour analysist, instead of helping the person explore different options and find what they as an individual like, just reinforce the insecurities and propose the "solution" of hiding the perceived flaws and achieving a look that makes them look attractive according to standards. It's especially ridiculous since standards change over time and between places, wich proves there's nothing intrinsic about it. No one is born agreeing with a given standard, they are taught about the standard. I just find it sad we reduce beauty to how attractive others find us to be, since it means your feelings about yourself will always be dependant on an external factor rather than on your own personal taste.
So, I actually find seasonal color (and body types) helpful, but I get where you're coming from and appreciate other perspectives. Personally, I'm very picky about clothes and how they look on me, but can have a lot of trouble pinning down exactly why something looks "off" on me, leaving me unsure what to look for. Having some sort of system where I know how I fit into it helps me identify what I will or won't feel weird in and cuts down on frustration.
For example, certain reds feel absolutely divine for me, while others feel off and awkward. Identifying the core of that confusion as "I'm a winter, so cool, strong reds are great, but warmer, more washed out reds feel off" makes it a lot easier to find red clothes that feel good on me, and reduces frustration. Of course, I only see it as a set of guidelines, not rules, and don't believe in building your entire wardrobe around your season and rejecting your favorite colors just because they're "wrong" on you. You can pry moss green from my cold dead hands.
I found that I naturally gravitated to my season colors before I knew.
I got misidentified at a Color Me Beautiful party as a Summer, so I spent years wearing cool tones that washed me out. It should have been a clue that my favorite sweaters were a deep pumpkin orange and a deep brick tweed 😅 and that I look like a vampire in cool red lipstick. I don't really season myself now, and mustard will never look good on me, but I lean more warm.
As a photographer and colorist (color grading), I often notice inbalance in colors right away, however for other people they might not see it, but sense that something is off. And I think that's related to seasonal color theory as well, that when we see colors and tones (warm and cool) together, some feel off when they are next to each other, while others look good together.
You can as an individual choose whatever color you want. But cool colors will look better together, which is the same for warm colors. And when you think about vision, everything you see is color, which is there due to light and light waves, so everything you see around you is determined by light, and that's why I do believe looking into color theory is good for people and can help you combine more right colors together with your skin.
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As a black woman I actually appreciate the color season theory because I was always told I look best in “deep autumn” shades. But I am actually a Spring and I think I look best in brighter tones. Most color recommendations were only based on skin tone and nothing else so if your skin is dark and brown automatically you’re recommended deep muted warm shades. Color seasons got me to experiment with brighter shades which I love against my dark skin.
Even if the system isn’t “real” I do also like how the colors in the system go together. Makes it easier to put outfits together or to understand why something might look off.
It is true that it is only based on skin tone, but that does not mean a person of color should only wear dark muted colours. Typically you look great in white !
Check out the channel of Colour Analysis Studio. They had a woman of colour (fairly dark skinned). She is a bright winter but can stray into bright spring. These ladies are really good, the whole session is filmed, good explanations. Very good to train the eye.
Another thing that helped me came from a German colour analyst that used to be a nurse for infants. She was trained to be very perceptive of the skin tone. The little ones cannot talk and she had to notice changes - also in the skin. She also had to learn about the skin (layers). She does not subscribe to "undertones" or that you can see your type (saison) from the blood vessels (arteries, green or blueish), from the hair or iris colour etc.
All human skin has darkbrown melanin and a bit of yellow melanin (gingers have more yellow). Blood vessels and the tissue will give it a rosy hue. Some people have a greyish hue (just a bit - but if they wear yellowish = warm colours they look sickly).
The individual combination makes up the skin tone.
Even people of colour fall either into the warm or cool category. But the effect is more subtle, they can stray into the other category and it will not be unflattering. They do have the yellow melanin as well, but it is less visible against plenty of dark melanin. I am not sure if there are dark skinned people that are in the warm category (spring or autumn but they likely can get away with venturing into neighbouring categories. As a rule of thumb: Having a tan, a pretty face, wearing make-up, natural good contrast and colouring in the face (darker eyebrows, bright or dark iris, full and rosy lips and cheeks) means the person can stray from their ideal colours and it will still look good.
People with a bit more yellow melanine will benefit from wearing warm colours. It highlights the yellow / golden in their skin. Their skin looks good, healthy, harmonious.
People with pinkish undertones (or grey undertone) look better in the cool colors.
The color of eyes and hair do not matter when you determine the saison or subgroup.
What causes a specific pigementation of skin will also manifest in pigmentation of hair and iris color - it will be a good match. Maybe there would be hair colours that are even better, but the natural colour will never be wrong. (not sure if that also applies to gray or white hair).
Actual seasons aside, I think considering your coloring and what you wear along the dimensions of light/dark, warm/cool, and high/low contrast can be super helpful. Even if you don't care what you look 'good' in, you can know what looks more or less neutral on you, or creates a different effect. It's subtle, but people seem to think I look more chic now, and all I changed about my clothes was the palette, so it kind of an easy way to look put together.
THANK YOU. My mom took me to "get my colors done" when I was a teen (it was the '90s, I'm old) and I was declared an autumn because I'm pale with brown hair/greenish eyes. I'm SUPPOSED to wear neutrals and green, BUT I HATE THOSE COLORS. I love hot pink, neons, and pastels, which supposedly look terrible on me. It's taken me almost 40 years to say fuck that. Imma wear what I want!
Then your colour lady probably was not a good one. Again, nobody is telling you want you can and cannot wear. Just what looks nicer with your skintone.
I personally feel like the colour seasons technically “exist” (in air quotes because there are always outliers) as there are most definitely some colours and/or shades that work best with skin tones and facial features. I think that it mostly resonates not exactly on facts (which is why I think there is not much actual research done) but mostly on your brain thinking what is “pretty” or enjoyable on the skin tone. That would mean that the personal colouring is very subjective and for every person, they think that different colours and skin tones look better together. Which all means that you could wear every colour that you want to wear. So go nuts!
(This all is my personal opinion so please do not take to heart! :) )
If you see certain colors on certain skin as aesthetically bad, you gotta ask yourself why that is. Many ppl also shame fat ppl for wearing stuff we usually only see on skinny ppl. That is bigotry. Not aesthetics. We shouldn‘t set these useless exclusionary rules set on things we can‘t change about ourselves. You are not some paint color. You are the canvas. And you get to paint it with whatever color you like.
I think it would only make sense that people fit into a season (or a cusp between to seasons) because harmony is something that is constant in creation. There might not be scientific studies that back it up, but the concept of harmony is so obvious, it’s literally what makes something beautiful under a scientific perspective. Even from a psychological point of view, the basis of our tastes is that. When we dislike something it’s because that thing clashes with something else, with a part of us. Disharmony can create a desired effect though. For instance black hair looks goth in people with muted, greyish skin tones but sometimes that is what they are going for. Colour analysis only makes you aware of the effect that that colours have on you.
@@vil4038 Yes, but as we are taught in art and design, contrast is important as well, and sometimes a degree of discordant looks stunning, edgey or exciting.
As someone who is a graphic designer I think I know why your orange hair looks good on you. I personally think contrast matters more than the hue of the color. Too dark hair might wash you out and too light color would not have enough contrast so you would look dull. Other examples of this is, if a really tan person
wears pastels, there is contrast so it looks beautiful but if a pale person wears them, they blend in to close to their skin tone but if that pale person has dark hair, the pastel will look nice because it provides contrast. I guess that goes more towards being bright or muted. I think color is much more complex than just seasons and descriptions. But also it is also fairly intuitive, you can put a color on and know if it works well for you or not. You might not know why but that’s okay. I have pale cool skin and warm colored hair so I don’t really fit in the categories. Medium tones always look best on my skin tone, that’s just what I gravitate towards. I don’t love dark colors or really light colors especially next to my face.
I mostly agree but I have noticed that pastel or light neutral colours also look nice on pale people. Think about the lightest shades of pink, teal on a pale girl. Gives this very sweet, innocent vibe.
Also with men, think of guys with old money on a yacht in summer time. The light, pastel-y shades of beige, blue, pink and white linen fabric. Laid back class.
@@danlightened. I feel too light for most pastels, though if colors are warm, light and bright, they bring out my natural coloring. I think Light Summer types can pull off that innocent girl or leisure look you describe, but the Light Spring colors look better on me (except the pastels, which do suit darker skin better, or people who tan).
I agree! I have heard all of those statements made by the better color analysis theorists and analysts, as well. I was determined Light Spring, but am on the very fair side, so my best colors are Light, Bright and Warm. It’s the brightness that is missing from pastels. Light Springs or Tonal Lights can wear them, if they tan. Otherwise, they look better on darker skin or some fair Summers, such as those with fair olive complexions. There has to be some amount of pigment to not look naked or washed out, in pastels.
@@sciencenotstigma9534 I see...
I guess it's not exact science. Which is why, I try every piece of clothing I like.
it is not about being fair but whether the skin has yellow or pink / grey undertones: The right colours subtly highlight the pigmentation of the skin (the skin tone is a mix of darkbrown and a bit of yellow melanin, plus maybe a greyish hue, plus some rosy tones from tissue and blood vessels.
That is true for all races - caucasians have some dark melanin as well, real gingers have more yellow melanin, etc.
All of that mix results in your individual skin tone.
And IF a person has (a bit) more of that yellow melanin, then the colours of the garments picking up that yellow hue is flattering.
And if the skin appearance is dominated by the pinkish then the cool colours (blue / pink undertones) are much more flattering.
IF the person tends to have a bit of a grey hue to their skin it is especially important to avoid all "warm" colours (those that have a yellow tinge), it makes them look sickly. All these effects are more noticeable in persons with light skin colour, a lot of dark melanin covers that up (for the most part).
But people of colour still have yellow melanin in their skin as well. That may be the reason why the "cool" and "warm" colour groups still make sense. The effect of the yellow melanin is of course much more visible in a freckled, fair skinned ginger.
I think the palets are a good starting point for people still figuring out their personal style or those who aren't as confident about building outfits (yet) or who just aren't "color people" etc. just like many old school styling rules. You can't really go wrong if you stick to them, but they can end up being bland or even restrictive.
I don't completely ignore my type, I do consider it regarding makeup or when picking up fabric for sewing and there are multiple options I like. When I did my analysis (not professionally), I found that I had been gravitating to warmer colors intuitively all along. On the other hand I love wearing cool blues and white even though I'm an autumn and still get compliments in these outfits, I guess because I feel good wearing them and while they might not harmonize with my skintone, it makes them pop in contrast. One could imagine a world or culture where that's the desired effect instead or something completely different. So it's definitely a cultural/subjective matter of taste and aesthetics as you said and certainly not scientific...
Also many colors are of great significance in certain cultures, such as red bridal fashion in India or white in the west. Who ever looks at wedding pictures and goes "ugh that's not her color"? We tend to find these looks beautiful anyhow because they're traditionally "meant to be" and meaningful so to speak, no matter the type. I think it can even be insensitive in a way to say a color isn't flattering on sb in cases like these.
I think color analysis is not to be taken too seriously and I agree with many of your points. Interesting video for sure. You're my favourite fashion youtuber right now btw 💖
One of the reasons I got drawn to it is that I ultimately want a capsule wardrobe. I'm glad I did the colours in the mirror thing because I've realised that my best colours aren't what I thought. That will be important when the number of clothes I have is reduced. That said, it doesn't seem like I fit into any defined season, but at least I know what suits me better than I did literally yesterday.
Yeah, I was interested in the whole color thing because I usually only wore black or white and wanted to try out colors. I thought it would be a good starting point to find out what I might like and feel comfortable since I do believe in color theory but don't have an I eye for it. It is confusing though even when I felt like I leaned more towards summer, there were always exceptions and some colors where the summer shade/ version looked worse than the others. So while it is fun to explore I do agree that you don't have to use it to restrict your choices or put other people down, it can just be used it to search for more context about why you like the things you do or to help you notice a pattern in the colors which you like
Your last point is huge- some people can see it and some just can't and are helped by learning more. I could never figure out why I looked like I was dressed up for halloween wearing dark/cool eye makeup and it looked so awesome and natural on my friends. I realized "I'm" "an" "autumn" and black is just much too dark and cool to go on my face- I am warm toned and super low contrast. Now I go for sheer and warmer + brown makeup if I wear any and genuinely look so much better. I proudly do just want to look better, lol.
I was iffy about this video but idk why I was worried the RESEARCH alone. I really feel like I learned things.
As someone who's black, one of the interesting thing about seeing so many white people be color typed is that it makes particular biases and perceptions clear. A lot of the time I'll see people say that a color makes someone look 'washed out' and all just think it's giving soft soothing monochrome color palette or they'll say that someone looks pale and I just think it looks cool in a gothic way. It's a good reminder that mainstream attractiveness is actually based off signalling the kinds of things that mean you're healthy and therefore... a good choice of mate, which is something our brains are better wired to handle within our own ethnic groups. (I have been down the whole YT beauty/aesthetics science research rabbit hole and one of the things that becomes readily apparent after a enough studies is that looking for 'universal' without nuance is reductionist and almost always ends up either very eurocentric or stiflingly bioessentialist.) Considering that healthy, breedable, and attractive to the opposites sex isn't necessarily what everyone is going for, wants to feed into, or even what all those studies were looking for (sociable was an interesting choice,) it only further highlights what a narrow window of value it could provide, even backed by research, (though arguably, since every palette has all the colors, it might be interesting to see something along the lines of choosing the color based off of it's associations and then comparing how effectively it's conveyed when it's shade is in someone's season vs in their worst season.) Also, it makes a kind of sense that color typing would come about during a time when most people weren't wearing/didn't have access to make up but did to a wide selection of clothing since most of it had been ready to wear for almost a decade and they had to guide themselves through a ton of options (especially since no one was unpacking the negative associations between color and non-whiteness/class yet) as well as why it regained traction during an era of minimalism and quiet luxury. That said, I do think there's less color analysis for POC additionally because there's less hesitancy around color, since most of the negative associations already go hand in hand with non-whiteness (exotic, tribal, ect.) Korea generating a lot of this content also makes sense, since they're hard in their neutrals/aesthetic era ('plastic surgery capital of the world' and all that) though I do wonder what the social stigma is for wearing things that are 'unflattering' in a country with a more homogeneous gene pool.
When I've seen a person of a similar ethnicity be color typed, it does usually seem more obvious, where their 'worst' colors will make them look sallow/make dark spots super obvious, which feels like it hardly matters, since most people with their face on the internet are probably using filters or makeup anyways. Irl, I do think we notice when someone is wearing a color that looks great on them, or really bad on them, though maybe we attribute it to someone looking sickly or tired, especially if they don't wear makeup (i.e. my mom always hated black and I realized in the past few years it's because of how she looks in it, entirely due to the fact that every time she had solid black by her face I kept on asking her if she was feeling ok.)
I guess it's hard to take issue with typing because it seems like a good enough tool that gets people who would otherwise stick to neutrals wearing colors, as opposed to the current landscape where it's people who aren't afraid to experiment and have already moved past these rules through sheer trial and error letting themselves be hampered by them for no reason. I'm sure it's super helpful if don't have particularly well developed aesthetic preferences or the time/inclination to develop them, however.
yeah there's also a lot of racial triangulation of different women based on looks and sometimes presumed sexual behaviour by creepy men like they used to put white v black girls now they've roped in asian as golden child best girl presently but the wheel turns
the so-called Asian beauty standard is literally Victorian and part of the Empire aesthetic if you see old adverts and paintings of 'beautiful' women and places like Korea are... emulating THAT....
mostly it's yellow or pink in the face and that isn't actually racially specific
Love this take on it. A lot of white people seem scared of colour, so as you said, colour typing seems to help those people come out of that paralysis. It all feels very un-fun though. I have a bright yellow coat because I saw it in a shop window and thought it was fantastic, and would be helpful for friends seeing me in a crowd when meeting up in public. I didn't stop and go "ooh but is this the perfect shade of yellow for me?"
Cannot be arsed with Korean beauty standards one bit. It's all too much. Perfect skin, make up every day, a flawless put together outfit no matter the occasion... nah
Only halfway through this video, but I just want to add that I've seen examples of trained consultants not agreeing on people's colour types!
EDIT: I was typed as a summer by the owner of a boutique shop a full decade or so ago. Low-key, I've always been sort of sticking to my palette. This year I've been getting into all sorts of oranges, which are an absolute no-go for summer types. But I think certain oranges look really good on me? I feel like they bring out a sort of goldenness in my skin tone, I look more tan even though I'm pale af. It's really throwing me for a loop. I'm wondering also: according to the seasonal analysis system, is a tan a "good-looking" thing? Or is being pale and flushed preferable? Because I can look both, depending on what colours I wear.
I like the idea that all colours could look good on you, depending on what you're going for. Surely wanting to look moody and mysterious requires a different colour palette than looking like you've just returned from a frolick in the fields.
There needs to be a subset of "Goth Color Analysis". 😉
@@jeanneobbardbodyandstyle did an analysis on that, about how to look edgy you have to go against your colors and lines.
What about a mysterious frolick in the fields? 🤔
The reason for a certain shade of orange looking good on you is probably because of the hue and saturation. I think it mostly has to do with contrast. But usually sticking to pastel colours or dark colours on the end of the spectrum like maroon, navy blue mostly works. I think very few people can pull off bright orange. As an Indian which a mid brown colour, it makes me look darker and somehow quite bad. But I tried and bought a couple of burnt orange shirts and it's a good variation to my wardrobe of predominantly cool colours.
Bright colours may suit a few. Neutral colours like beige, white, Navy Blue, olive, certain grays suit most. Pastel colours isn't for everyone either. And most earth tones also look really drab and dusty on me.
So try on everything when you shop. You can almost always instantly tell if it suits you or not.
Coming at this from the perspective of a photographer. I really never heard of this color typing until the last couple months, and I find it super fascinating because we do apply color-based concepts in photography. If a baby has a naturally ashy skin tone and you put them on certain shades of green or yellow, they can look jaundiced, things like that. But it’s definitely not down to the minute shade of a color, and I love when colors contrast. There’s no way to just be hard line oh this color will definitely always be bad or good. And ultimately, if you personally love a color or an outfit, you’re going to be more confident in that outfit and automatically look “better” because your joy shines through
I disagree on the “made it up” statement simply because its theories stems from art color theory which have been used for centuries because color is relative to what is put next to it. Example. When we place a grey color next to a color that appears cool, the grey will always appear warm and vise versa with a warm color. Also im an artist who had spent a long time understanding color theory.
The base assumptions are based in color theory but the categorization in 4 categories with corresponding flattering and unflattering colors is definitely made up. As you also know, color theory is not a science with hard and rigid rules, both because humans experience colors differently and because it’s an art form.
@@5am_nightmarescolor theory is a science because of how it creates a perception. It changes from humans to animals with the exception on color blindness and its type.
I agree on the initial 4 season as it is very exclusive to alot of people.
But with the introduction of the 12, it actually creates more factors like color contrast, and chroma akin to the munsell color system. That makes it more inclusive. Sorry of i get gitty about it. 😅
Color analysis is an artistic and aesthetic framework as opposed to a medical or scientific framework you cannot "prove" it anymore than you can prove "The Dogma 95 Manifesto." In the world of aesthetics frameworks function as a jumping off point or basic guidelines and they best serve people who want to do something that looks "nice" but may not want to think too much about it (Think someone that doesn't care /know too much about fashion/colors but wants/ needs to look more put together ). if you have a strong aesthetic intuition and care a lot about fashion you don't really need the seasons because you are best served working off of your own frameworks.
This!!!
Exactly, and when she talked about "freeing" yourself from color analysis I just thought she was missing the whole point. Also, using her logic, art schools might as well stop teaching color theory until they can perform scientific studies on everything they teach. 😭 What an out of touch video.
@@helloworld8492 I think an other part that really got me was the attempted deconstruction of "looking washed out". At least in the west being super pale has not been in fashion for about a century and even prior to the shift there was always a difference between pale as in porcelain and pale as in sick. The former was an ideal the latter wasn't. If you going in for a job interview for most industries you benefit from knowing which colors make you look alert and healthy.
@@helloworld8492 the out of touch part is big here: a conventionaly attractive woman who has a strong sense of what looks good on her is snearing at a system that can help people who are not conventionally attractive and/or don't have a strong sense of what looks good on them.
@@redmaple1982 yes exactly!!! She should know from her studies that there are warm vs cool colors, saturated vs muted, and dark vs light colors. You can categorize all colors into these categories. Since all people are made up of colors we all fall under that systemization. Color analysis then tells us how colors we wear affect the colors we are made up of. Of course you can disagree about what looks "best" but there isn't usually disagreement about whether or not a color is warm/cool etc. Seasonal color analysis takes these very well recognized color traits and gives people who are looking for help some guidelines about how colors they wear will affect their own coloring. It's incredibly helpful for people who neither want to nor have the time to spend on delving into color theory classes.
From what I understand the issue is that people misunderstood the whole concept.
It is not “you are a …, therefore those colors work on you”, but rather “those colors work for you, therefore you are a …”
Since color theory is a foundation of art I tend to follow the art motto “you gotta know the rules to know how to break them” I think everyone should learn color theory because sometimes I’m going for a look that jarring & will purposely wear things that clash with my skin tone. I want the outfit to shine that’s why I put it together! Also confidence goes a long way. If you’re wearing highlighter yellow w a smile then go for it you’ll look better than someone wearing burnt orange & looking miserable
Adding in I think I look better in some colors than others but I don’t let that stop me! I don’t look great in a lot of purples & my hair was purple for a year lol
I spent my life believing I was a “winter” without having professional analysis. One day during COVID lockdown I decided to take a closer look. I stood in front of a mirror in bright sunlight and held various clothing items up to my face. I used brown and olive jackets of my husband’s and an orange bandanna I had lying around. My skin looked ashen and the circles under my eyes were prominent. I then tried my favorite bright cool sweaters in magenta and royal blue and a white blouse. My skin glowed. The circles disappeared. The difference was striking. Clearly color theory is not a myth. The way light reflects off your clothes definitely changes how it reflects on your skin. Is he system perfect? I would say no because navy and gray, while not as unflattering as orange and brown, didn’t have the same effect as the brighter colors. So I don’t think this is a “scam”. If you ever watch Audrey Coyne’s channel, she once said seasonal analysis is a good starting point. I think if you want to add more color in wardrobe, having an idea of your “season” is a good way to point you in the right direction.
I find it hilarious that everyone is acting as if color analysts are holding guns to their heads and demand if you wear certain colors. I would think people who pay for analysis truly want some guidance and are willing to reconsider wearing certain colors. Nobody is forcing anyone to wear a certain palette. The fashion police won’t arrest you if the color you are wearing doesn’t reflect in your skin as nicely as a different color might. If you’re a blond “summer” goth who loves black and hates pastel pink and baby blue, nobody is telling you not to wear black if it makes you feel emotionally uncomfortable. Ultimately how clothing makes you feel is more important than how it makes you look. If you know what makes you feel good, then keep doing you. But if someone who truly doesn’t know what will make her look or feel her best, there is nothing wrong with seeing if color analysis works for her.
God yes your second paragraph. The problem I have with that is people with anxiety took the information to the extreme and then are blaming SCA instead of their own thought patterns. How they apply information in their life is their responsibility.
Yeah I hate this impulse to decry lifestyle/ fashion/ fitness/ productivity systems as if these are legally enforced rules - I can't help but wonder if the issue here is a general tendency for dogmatism and approval seeking among the critics - either way I can't get behind the idea that avoiding a certain color or style as some sort of tragedy. Fast fashion is destroying the planet... maybe its good to restrict consumption choices.
Her overtone is actually cool but her undertone is warm She is an autumn, not sure is she's a bright,true,deep but she is an autumn.
I'm a subdued autumn, which means many many colors wash me out completely. Finding out which colors look good on me was wonderful for me, it gave me a direction. I couldn't have done it myself. I'm fortunate my mom could do the color analysis for me.
Me too! I seem to be in limbo between soft summer and soft autumn. Figuring out my colours helped me finally find clothing I felt beautiful in, and to appreciate my natural colouring.
@@melere777 you are one and you CAN venture into the other. The tone is cool or warm BUT the quality of "soft" is more important in your case. Likely you skin does not have a lot of yellow melanin (warm) nor does it have a greyish hue (where all warm tones look terrible, and you must stay in the cool lane). And your natural contrast is O.K. but not very high. So as long as the colours are soft ... you look good in them whether they are warm or cool. One of the categories will be you saison, the other is the neighbour that you can "borrow from" (and there will be at least some colours that are a good fit).
Same here, finding out I was a Soft Autumn low key changed my life. I used to buy clothes and somehow never wear them cause something felt off, and if was because so many colours wash me out. Now shopping is so much easier and I just look a lot healthier without feeling the need to wear foundation
I actually like seasonal color analysis? I've never had one done, but i cam see why someone would want to. If you don't want to them don't get one done and if you feel it would help you, you get one done.
It used to bother me but i can see why someone would get one done. It cam be useful for some people and just because it may not be for me doesn’t ignore the fact that mamy people aren't good at finding colors they like. *shrugs*
Like if you like wearing black but you get a seasonal color analysis telling you you can't wear black yoi obviously should just wear what you like. If you like wearing black wear black. But if it works for you and you have no problems with it then why not follow it?
Yeah, I kind of wanted to get it done with different people and see if I would get different results, because I think I would depending on whether I corrected my face to match my neck, etc. But it's SO EXPENSIVE! I've also seen them say things like "This color is wearing you, not the other way around" or "This color is beautiful, but the focus is on the dress, not on you!" maybe sometimes I want to wear a dress that draws attention to itself and not me? I think sometimes clothes/fashion can be about celebrating a certain color or garment, it's not always about how it makes my skin look.
I think you are being SO dramatic about this but so seem to be most of the colour analysts as well 😂 Some people have no idea about even basic color theory, undertones, contrast, anything so analysis could be a fun thing to go through to learn, and have that knowledge in their toolbelt. I'm sad to see so many people seeing it just as someone saying what they should and shouldn't do, not what colour can do. I think it's the industry and trend right now. Hope it will evolve in the future. Colours are for all to enjoy. But keep that turquose away from my face.
I don’t think it’s totally bunk, but I do think a lot of people are nervous about wearing color, so it can be a helpful jumping off point for those people.
Also, I’m a firm believer that hair and eye color are crucial to what colors someone looks good in. For example, people with blue and green eyes always look incredible when they match their outfit to their eye color or when they wear a contrasting but complementary color. Similarly, whenever hair is dyed to be a different color, the wardrobe almost always needs to shift slightly to look good with the new coloring.
Armochromy actually helped me appreciate my natural colours more. I didn’t like my skin tone before but after knowing what colours look good with it I changed my mindset and looked at it differently
I think color analysis makes sense. I'm also trained in research - degrees et al. So it wasn’t too difficult to teach myself the system. My biggest gripe with it is that it is inherently subjective. Different analysts have different results. It needs to be more standardized in some way. But the principle makes sense. I have not been inspired enough to pay for analysis yet. But what I have found is that people often intuitively know what is good for them. They just don't have the lingo of an established system to communicate that. Also, I think with color analysis, the focus isn’t about whether you look pink or yellow. But more so about how the colors in your skin are interacting with the colors around it. So yes, you could have red skin and actually be warm. If you are a transition season, you could have combinations of certain cool and warm colors that suit you. I had started to notice a while ago that depending on the color of the wall behind me in photos or the color of clothes of people around me in photos, I looked weird. I also found out that I looked better under certain temperatures of light. I didn’t understand then what to call the phenomenon, but I definitely observed it. I also should mention that the point if season analysis is to help you do less with makeup because you wear things that already exist within you. But makeup and color correction albeit many steps can help you wear anything and any color you want. There are cases though if you are a True or Cool Winter, warm makeup will just not sink into your skin. But sometimes makeup is not enough. Blue toned melanated people can have warm nail polish leaving weird shadows and making the knuckles look darker. Certain colors with enough saturation despite being the level of warmth needed will have you washed out. I’m not an analyst but judging off how warm this shade of red is and the dominance of orange in this top you have on, as well as you and others saying you look good in warm colors, you are likely warm regardless of the surface red tones. A cool season would look better in cherry red hair. I enjoyed all your points. I think we live in an era where people enjoy categorizing themselves… Just like Kibbe body typing. I think we are in an age of an identity crisis. But to me, systems are tools. Keep them if they serve, ditch them if they don’t.
Check out the channel of Colour Analysis Studios. Have been binge watching, they are really good. Another thing that helped me came from a German colour analyst that used to be a nurse for infants. She was trained to be very perceptive of the skin tone. The little ones cannot talk and she had to notice changes - also in the skin. She had to learn about the skin (layers). She does not subscribe to "undertones" or that you can see your type (saison) from the blood vessels (arteries, green or blueish) etc.
All human skin has darkbrown melanin and a bit of yellow melanin (gingers have more yellow). Blood vessels and the tissue will give it a rosy hue. Some people have a greyish hue (just a bit - but if they wear yellowish = warm colours they look sickly).
The individual combination makes up the skin tone.
People with a bit more yellow melanine will benefit from wearing warm colours. It highlights the yellow / golden in their skin. Their skin looks good, healthy, harmonious.
People with pinkish undertones (or grey) look better in the cool colors. Even people of colour fall either into the warm or cool category. But the effect is more subtle, they can stray into the other category and it will not be unflattering. They do have the yellow melanin as well, but it is less visible against plenty of dark melanin.
The color of eyes and hair do not matter when you determine the saison or subgroup.
What causes a specific pigementation of skin will also manifest in pigmentation of hair and iris color - it will be a good match. Maybe there would be hair colours that are even better, but the natural colour will never be wrong. (not sure if that also applies to gray or white hair).
@@franziskani Me too, the Italian ladies in Melbourne...I love them. I have been binge watching too.
I tried so hard to get into season analysis and apply it to myself, but was always bothered by the fact that I do, in fact, feel pretty and get lots of compliments in colours that aren't supposed to "fit me". I also had (colored) ginger hair for a long time and have cool skin tone, and I look great in bright red or black.
My big gripe was how racist the system was. The whole "light summer has blue eyes" was really weird to me, and then trying to apply this theory to people of colour in what seemed like a really bad retrospective patch job. It also meant that the vast majority of the world would fall into the same season, because most poc have warm undertones and dark hair.
I abandoned the system and now wear what I want.
The reason it’s so popular now is online shopping. You can’t try on the clothes before you buy, so it’s good to know what shades(!) look good on you. Is the system under researched? Yes. Are the consultants not trained properly? Big yes, ethics is a huge part of any beauty and/or medical-based training. They also need to be classically trained since it’s literally color theory. But it’s primarily self-assessment anyway, and proper palettes are amazing when you’re buying fabric blindly. Same goes for Kibbe. As for the scientific side of it, if we have kuler for everything else, why can’t we have “seasons” for humans?
The online thing makes a lot of sense for its popularity. I personally would never shop clothes online tho. Had bad experience every time.
I need to feel the weight of the fabric, the texture and most importantly, the fit. And while a lot of things can look good on the shelves, they don't necessarily look good on us. Probably due to this seasonal colour theory.
@@danlightened ahaha i don’t have any decent shops in proximity so my experience allows me to know how the fabric feels to the touch by judging how the light hits it in the pictures (most importantly, this allows me to tell the composition). As for the fit, the standard sizing was created with tailoring in mind, that’s why they leave you with too much fabric around the curved seams and such
@@lucyl4603 We can't go to the tailor here. I mean, for suits, dress and all, sure. But for fast fashion shirts, T-shirts, shorts, the tailors here could charge anywhere between 20% to 50% of the outfit.
@@danlightened I’m pretty sure the sizing was created back when people did their own tailoring. Zara offered in-house tailoring years ago. But yeah, it’s super impractical these days, that’s why we need diversity
@@lucyl4603 The size between brands all seem different. Even tho they say they are a 40 or whatever. On top of that, the different fits such as skinny, slim, regular, relaxed don't mean the exact same thing for all brands.
The best we can do is if we like as certain clothing item from a certain brand, we could stick to it. Although, there's no guarantee that they won't change their fit with a new line a new season.
But personally, I like how jockey t-shirts fit me and I've bought a few over the years, and they seem to be mostly consistent. But I can't say the same for most other things.
I find my self-assessed season to be helpful when I'm not sure WHAT colour I'd like to make a garment in, but I agree it's really only useful as a suggestion for some people some of the time. I also didn't have to pay $500 to figure out I'm an autumn! It's obvious just from looking at me, and if it wasn't obvious then it probably wouldn't matter. It did turn me on to coral pink, which I had never previously considered, and it turns out that I love it.
some colors make me look alive and some make me look like a corpse... and sometimes i want to go for the corpse look
All these systems about fashion come at a place and time of great noise in the fashion industry.
Kibbe teaches yout to dress for the body you have, Color analysis to look at yourself and what makes you shine. People don't stop to look at what makes them look nice anymore but rather focus on how they should fit in the crowd.
These systems, which act as tools and not as rules, are there to help you through the information, to help you shop more easily and not be overwhelmed, to act as a guide on what to look for.
And lets be honest: Some colors do look better on certain people and some others dont.
Nobody tells you not to wear them but rather, they point out the effects they have on how you look.
It is helpful for anyone who is interesting in fashion mostly, and what to look into details.
Just an opinion of course, very interesting video!
Even if I can agree with a lot of what you said... I also think that color analysis can be helpful for some people.
The problem for me from the beginning (before color analysis) was that I couldn't just hold up a color to my face to see if it looks good on me or not. I couldn't se it. And I wore a lot of colors... From all seasons I think. I couldn't difference beteen warm and cool colors, and I didn't know what colors looked good together. I bought clothes that I later wasn't happy with... Over and over again. I was quite clueless
I saw how good some other people looked in certain colors, and they got compliments for it from people. And I was quite jealous of that, because I didn't know what colors I looked good in. So I wanted to figure it out.
Now many years later I know what kind of colors I like on myself, and they all have some what the same temperature and stuff so they fit together better with each other to.
Color analysis thinking has helped me but it has taken so many years for me to get it right... Because I did it myself... And I guess I didn't have a natural talent for it.
I have later paid a professional analyst to analyse me online. An unexpensive analysis... I did it mostly of curiosity and for confirmation to see if she agreed with me. She didn't quite do that but it was some what similar. And I am happy with it. Now it feels like I should have let her analyse me earlier, so it wouldn't have taken me so many years.
As I said... I think that color analysis can be quite helpful for some people... But you should not do it just because it's a trend. And especially not if it feels bad. If you feel that you already know what colors look good on you and therefor are satisfied. Or just feel satisfied any way... Then you don't need to care for color analysis
And no color analyst has come and chased me around to tell me what to wear and what not to wear. I was the one who looked up color analysis
Now when I know what kind of clothes I like on me... If someone walked up to me on the street and said "that sweater doesn't suit you" or "you shouldn't wear that"... Then I would be quite upset.
But if that would have happened a couple of years ago then that would make me happy and greatful. I was longing for someone to do that
I’ll say no one is bound by the rules of the color analysis. However I think it can be really helpful like when you see an art piece and it makes you feel a certain way- tired, energetic, etc. I think ultimately it’s up to the individual, and sometimes the color can be encouraged by others. I want a color analysis because I can’t figure out my color, but I’d love to learn from someone who doesn’t know me. Ultimately I’ll still wear whatever I want, but maybe that blech feeling I get in some clothes will make more sense
I suppose that belch feeling is enough. Just gotta keep trying a lot of clothes and buy only what seemed to make you glow.
I'm very selective. I instantly reject 80% of stuff. I try a lot and buy only 3-4%.
AGREED
i enjoy seasonal colour analysis and it’s been helpful for me. it’s made shopping a lot easier and helped me realize that there’s a pattern as to why i kept feeling that some makeup looks or shirts looked odd or frumpy on me: i just don’t really suit warm tones that well, and connecting these dots has reduced impulse buying and insecurities among other things.
with that being said, i agree with most if not all of your points here. so much of the content surrounding colour analysis is framed in a way which would probably just make me more insecure if it were to be how i got introduced to the concept! i don’t think any of this should be framed as a set of rules. i also don’t think you need to get so damn specific and micro-analyze every single little shade variation in every single shirt you buy. it shouldn’t be a 10-step process to figure out if something is the exact perfect colour for your season.
i am completely cool-toned and it’s just been quite helpful for me to know that if i’m looking to buy a red lipstick, i’ll feel my best in one that is chromatically more on the cool side and less on the orangey. i still really like black clothes and wear them all the time, because i think i look good in black regardless of it not aligning with my season (true summer). in fact most of my closet is black clothing.
seasonal analysis is and should be a tool, not a rule book. i think if you’re a person who is struggling to understand why you feel good in some colours and why some just don’t do it for you, it can bring clarity to read about seasonal colour analysis and see if there’s a pattern to the hues of clothes or colours that always feel a little off. but i think if you like a colour, wear it!! use it!! who cares!!! in the end it’s about finding what feels best for you. the question isn’t ”what colours look bad on me?”, but actually ”why do i feel odd in some colours?” and if you’ve never asked that latter question, then in my opinion you don’t need to start asking the former one.
if you are someone who is interested in seasonal colour analysis, i would not recommend tiktok or instagram as your source material. information on there needs to be attention grabbing, so it’s simplified, sensationalized, and unfortunately in my opinion targeted at people’s insecurities. i recommend reading the comprehensive articles that the concept wardrobe has put out on this topic, and remember: seasonal colour analysis is not a lifestyle. always take the advice that makes sense for you and don’t let one article about one theory purge a colour from your wardrobe that before reading you used to love to wear.
IMO the average person can tell what looks good on someone or not, but a pro will back that up with reasoning and guidelines, which is what people are paying for. For example, I don't need an interior designer to make my house look nice, but hiring one could help me understand the process behind my choices. I see color analysis more as guide, not as strict rules that you have to abide by.
I agree that I think most paid color analysis consultants seem pretty scammy. However, I personally have found the general ideas of color season analysis to be useful. And I would say most people do. Understanding that because my features are soft, muted, and cool, I probably won’t look very good in super bright yellow is a good thing to know! Being able to narrow down what colors look best on me it means that whenever I buy a new piece of clothing for my capsule minimalist wardrobe, I have another piece of data to make sure that it’s just the right pick for me.
I so totally agree with you. Technically I fit more into an Autumn but I look terrible in any orange or yellow colors. I've been so frustrated trying to figure out what I "should" be. Now I just wear colors that I love and that make me happy.
If you don't look good in some shade of rusty orange or dark gold then you're not an autumn. It can be either bright, clear or muted. Bright and true winters don't look good in any gold or orange. Deep winters can wear some autumn colors (muted/greyed gold, mustard, dark brown, olive green).
You could be a soft Autumn. Autumn is broken down to soft, true and deep. Gigi Hadid is a Soft Autumn, while Eva Mendes is a Deep Autumn. Both Autumn but different hues of the colours on the Autumn spectrum work on them best.
Also Yellow isn't an Autumn colour. It depends on the Yellow. Same with Orange. Certain orange and yellow tones look awful on Autumn's.
The same could be applied to the kibbe system and other body types system that claim that they can figure out your body type and which types of cuts and designs look better on you. I think I can decide that myself, I don't need a (paid) test to know it.
The kibbe system especially seems equate body type with personality in a way that makes me uncomfortable, but yeah I think most people look best in colors and styles of clothing that make them feel comfortable and confident.
I"ve been avoiding those kibbe videos like the plague!
Okay? And who forced you to indulge with those systems again?
I'm a professional makeup artist and have taught classes on color theory. It's absolutely WILD to me how many people crave rules of what will look good on them. I feel like basic color theory is a great jumping off point, but the hyper-specific seasonal colors feel more limiting to me than is probably necessary. It is true that certain colors next to each other will fight for attention, or neutralize each other if layered, but where you take that knowledge is on you! It's amazing the amount of people who sit in my chair and tell me they can't wear xyz color or whatnot because someone told them that once, and my usual response is that if someone tells you you should never or always do a thing, that person is not an expert and doesn't have much of an imagination. It has also made me very aware of the need for specificity in my word choices, and I tend to say things like emphasize instead of flatter. And don't even get me started on the whole warm/cool skin thing. When's the last time you saw someone walking around with blue skin? 🤦
I think the term warm and cool colours is also used in art, painting, ..... interior design. It was not invented for Colour Me Beautiful. (in the 1920s this was about art).
I fit into the winter palette. Seasonal color works perfectly for me. I used to wear colors that made me look embalmed. I don't do that anymore because of the Seasonal color analysis, which I did myself. 🙂
The colours that make me feel great have changed over the years, my wardrobe used to be 2/3s blue and green; and now it's 2/3s yellow and orange. I'm just all the seasons 😎
you hit every point i've been thinking about for years with this trend and "body types" and "archetypes". i wish we could all stop packaging ourselves for other ppl's consumption, and buying into every trend that promises that if we just do this one thing and prob spend some cash we'll get closer to some sort of nebulous, shifting ideal
I will say that if u lack a artisitic eye, don't play with color alot in beauty, sensitive n easily offended, ext u will be so confused 😂 as a art major and artist, color analysis holds truth but ppl take it too much to heart. Like no ones saying u suddenly become shrek when u wear ur worst color. If ur pretty ur pretty either way, different colors r just more suiting to ur natural coloring
In my experience, i am a cool tone winter gal. i love earth tones and greens that lean more yellow then blue. Idc i still buy them n wear them even tho they arent my best color. But i do need to wear more makeup to harmonize the look, i have warm tone makeup for that reason. Compared to if i wear cool tone blues, purples, or hot pink then i dont even need makeup. N tbh i do buy more of my best colors bcuz i love a effortless best look.
My older sister doesn't do makeup n shes a casual house wife/mom. Color analysis made her life really easy n simple. She pops in all her clothes n looks good even tho shes just in a t shirt n sweat pants 😂. Like lets be real we all seen ppl that do too much in their look n still look meh, its all in disharmony for several reasons, color being a big reason.
Dyed hair doesnt change your season, it just looks mismatched on ur head. Again u can fix it with makeup ext. Take Megan fox rn, dark hair is her best color. But shes currently ginger, looks a bit mismatched especially in the beginning. But now she changed her whole look, makeup clothes ext to match her hair. It still isnt her best but she don't look bad at all, remove the makeup ext it will be look unharmonious compared to her dark hair tho. Miley is another, her best color is her warm tone brown hair. But currently she blomde n black hair n wears alot of black ext, its not her best color. I dont hate it I'm extremely biased 🤟. She obviously beautiful still. But i won't deny that it ages her alot and it isnt effortless beauty, but bcuz Miley has a small round baby face she can kind of get away with it.
At the end of the day do what u want. Just cause u dont pop in ur fav color or it doesnt come natural to u doesnt mean you cant do it n still be prettty.
But to girls that want to know this knowlege of theirs best color's n undertones it is a good skill to have.
exactly
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The reason colour seasons should be done "in person" and not with a digital overlay is because it's not the actual colour that is important, it's the way that the colour REFLECTS on to the skin. This is also why lighting is important. Colour theory on what colours reflect on to your skin and make you look "good" or "bad" is something that I think could be scientifically tested, but would still depend on a subjective view of what is a good or a bad result. Most of the rest of the colour theory is socially driven and more to do with how people perceive and prejudge the actual colours, or how it affects your complexion.
This whole thing was such a big deal in the 80's and early 90's. I remember it from my childhood and teen years. It's hysterical to me that it's making a comeback now.
I've been told I'm a spring and I've also been told I'm summer. Which makes no sense because those 2 are very different. 😂 I don't even care what I am because I have always just worn whatever I liked.
PS - Your hair looks so good in this video, Liz! As a natural dark-strawberry-blonde ginger myself, that hair color works so well on you because you're very fair with pale skin. Natural redheads generally always have a fair complexion. So keep rocking that color as long as you like! ❤
I am an Artist who also studied Psychology, and now I am doing a Postgraduate in science too. I agree with all the points you made about research. However, for something like colour analysis, I don't hold it to the same scientific standard as I would with other subjects, simply because it's not as important and research requires funding. I personally like the youtube channel 'Colour Analysis Studio' based in Melbourne Australia because they really go into depth and explain exactly what is happening and why. I do believe in colour analysis because I do see the differences when I watch these videos, and I see it on myself in person too. For you, it is possible that you're a bright winter. I have watched a few of your outfit videos and you really suit (and wear a lot of) bright colours. If you were a bright winter, then your dominant characteristic would be 'brightness' not coolness. Meaning that you can pull off colours well that have a warm undertone, as long the colour is bright. That would explain why your bright ginger hair suits you, even though it is warm. I prefer to use it as a tool rather than a set of rules. For example, my dominant characteristic is 'coolness' and so warm colours are my worst colours, i.e., they bring out the yellowness in my skin and make it look more sallow. 'Style Me Jen' suggests that using a purple colour corrector in makeup could counteract the yellowness and could make my skin look healthy, even in warm colours. I haven't had a chance to test that theory yet but it shows that it doesn't necessarily have to limit you, it just means that you can access more information to create the effect you want to create with your appearance.
18:50 yesssss i'm giving side-eye to the fact that it's vastly marketed towards (and consumed by) womxn 👀
PS this is my FAVORITE VIDEO you've ever made!!! keep sharing your big beautiful colorful brain with us!
"Womxn"?
I appreciate this video. I’m a Black girl and was fortunate enough to find a version of seasonal analysis that went out of its way to address concerns of BIPOC, and I’m pleased with my results. Whenever there’s a system that claims to know what’s “flattering” for someone, it’s extremely important to examine its historical context and definitions. Otherwise, people can end up perpetuating biases without even realizing. Personal styling is a prime example, in which stylists will often assume what is good or bad for a client based on body characteristics that should be hidden vs accentuated (which is just thinly veiled fatphobia 9 times out of 10).
However, I think holding measures of style to scientific standards is so strange. When stylists choose a dress for a client, there is no burden of proof for them to prove that this scientifically tends to look best on people like them. The issue is not scientific backing, it’s unconscious bias. If these can be critiqued and dismantled, then the system itself becomes nothing more than a suggestion.
For example, there are scientific findings that across cultures, symmetrical faces are more attractive than asymmetrical ones. Does that make cosmetic procedures for facial symmetry more “valid” than procedures without it?
I agree that diversity of opinion would make the seasonal color analysis better, but art is, though complex in many sociological and historical ways, just vibes at the end of the day. Nobody buys a painting if they don’t like it you know?
Marketers love POCs. All we need to do is champion diversity and market specifically to the brown and black people and people eat it up, no matter how scammy and stupid it is.
And ironically, I think her second outfit looked much nicer on her than the first one 😭
I definitely think certain colors will stand out on certain people with certain characteristics.But I do think that it is not as rigid as the seasons make it out to be.
I've always said my UW psych degree gave me, most importantly, the tools to figure out whether something was true or not. Since you and I have the same degree from the same institution (albeit 25 years apart), this video supports my point. Go Science! Go Beepworld!
Yeah exactly. I don't have a psych degree but I love reading and watching UA-cam videos about it.
Many a times, it's not about the content that we're studying, but how we approach things. Like maths gives you problem solving. Science gives you the scientific method. And this seasonal colour analysis seems like pseudo science to me. The colour theory makes sense but not this as much. I'm an architect and photographer, so I'm always putting it to use.
Also, I think intelligent people often follow the scientific method in deducing things. Proof, logic, rationale etc. And are naturally more sceptical of things that don't have a solid basis. Whereas others may have a lot of blind beliefs.
I find it very weird that psychology isn't a compulsory subject in high school and college. We're learning about how a whole lot of things work but not our own minds; with which we have been able to be in the top of the food chain. Everyone should read up on logical fallacies and cognitive biases to be aware of our own gaps in thinking, at least.
I've been looking forward to this one! I love the points you've made here, especially in the second half. I'm far more interested in fashion when the goal is self expression rather than maximising attractiveness. I'm wary of body typing systems like Kibbe for similar reasons.
One of the things that annoys me the most about seasonal color analysis or things of that nature is that it is so clearly subjective/based on a very specific beauty standard. You can say I’d look my “best” in certain colors, but what does that even mean? Maybe my goal is to express how I feel, not necessarily meet the absolute peak of Eurocentric beauty standards. I also find it especially toxic when the consultants will be like “oh see how bad you look in this color” - I don’t see that as helpful at all and it feels scammy to me. I do clearly have a big bias against these types of things tho so I know I’m not looking at it totally objectively lol.
exactly! i’ve watched a few colour analysis video, and the consultants usually say something like ‘this colour makes your skin look grey/yellow/sallow… while this colour makes your skin glow!’ what’s wrong with looking the first way? it’s just yet another societal construction that defines an aesthetic feature as being ‘bad’. moreover, the difference in their appearance with the different colours is SO minimal to me, as a person not trained in colour analysis, like the vast majority of people you will interact with. i understand that a lot of people have insecurities, and that wearing specific colours can help them feel more confident, but surely we can do that without telling them that they look horrible in some colours! teaching people that they are beautiful in whatever they wear is surely nicer, and truer
Yes, I have unusually pale skin (for Australia) and dark hair and I actually like that about me. I like the colours that make my skin look paler and in a lot of videos they say that effect is "washed out" and I'm thinking it's nicer.
@@helencarroll1650I have been saying this for a while now and you're the first person in the comments to say it.
It gives the old money aesthetics, laid back yet classy. Like for brunch or on a yacht. Light, airy summer vibes.
13:42 EXACTLY!
Jeez I've been seeing so many of my friends fall for this. They can't wait to get in line for an instagram famous color analyst and i just keep quiet and roll my eyes.
Personally, I don’t think it’s worth paying for an expensive analysis. The ones I’ve seen online seem a bit too subjective. But I do see some value in casual “color season” research to IF you want some guidance in trying new colors that might look good. I tried out some bright yellows and oranges I’d always assumed wouldn’t work with my yellow undertones, but I also found that I look good in colors from at least 3 seasons!
Colour analysis really helped me. Before finding out I’m a summer I used to wear colours that don’t suit me (like black) and I just felt like I had to put on more makeup and didn’t know why I looked bad that day. Yeah it’s not a perfect system (I still don’t know why I look good with dark red hair) but creating categories can still be useful even just to help you notice a pattern so that you don’t have to try on literally every single colour. Also I think it might help for buying stuff online or with makeup cause you can’t always see if it looks good on you
We don't stare at a painting in a museum and discuss its "empirical evidence," "measurable data," and "objective statistics" (to use your positivist phrasing). To that end, color analysis is a question of *art,* not science. Artists have spent centuries tinkering with color, hue, tone, saturation, and value, pairing them together to see the results. (Itten was certainly not the first). Pairing swaths of colored fabric with skin tone is a natural extension of this endeavor. Of course it's "extremely subjective and personal." It's art! Maybe that shade of pink you enjoy is the "wrong color" according to the color analysts. If that's the case, wear it. Color analysis isn't for you. But dismissing it as a "scam" completely misses the mark. Also, I'm sorry you're not finding the right resources for Black women. Two minutes on a favorite search engine solved that one quickly for me. You'll find it's improved a lot from the racist 80s, when Black women were all lumped together as "winters."
Exactly there are now different color analysis systems that includes POC. Color analysis is popular in Korea where people with dark hair and eyes can be outside of the Winter season.
GIRL, YES. I love you for being like “can u cite ur peer reviewed double blind study please, and what’s the p value.” 🤣I was around for the initial iteration of seasonal analysis in the 80s which, shall we say, painted with a broader brush. I like the current sets of color swatches a lot more but that’s just me being a simp for looking at pretty colors. Although, I do like the idea that human beings are the colors of nature; that seems logical, since we are an extension of the earth. But as you point out, after that it gets super subjective and a bit phrenology-esque. As a former “I guess I’m an autumn?” and a current “self-diagnosed as soft summer,” I would love to get my colors “professionally” done, but only with a group of girlfriends while day-drinking mimosas and just getting just increasingly hilarious and unhinged. Feral color analysis only.
(I also think there are some practioners of the “typing” who are really gifted at it, but I credit the person rather than the system, because I’ve watched other videos and was like “they say she’s a WHAT now?”) i'msorrythiscommentissolong
Haha simping for pretty colours is so relatable 🥲
I love colors and trying to figure out what colors look best for my outfits. 😅 But I totally agree there's no rule anyone must belong to one of the seasons. It's more likely many people are a mixed bag of what colors suit them best.
So I did an in-person color analysis today. Most of the colors in my wardrobe fall under the "autumn" and "spring" seasons. Those colors make me feel the happiest and most confident. I come out of my appointment being a winter... honestly, every color that she said looked best on me felt tacky and wayyyy out of my comfort zone. Yeah, I noticed a difference in things like my jawline but let's be real, when you have dark winter colors pressed up against your face, the light is gonna reflect it off your jaw, making your jaw more apparent. And the lip colors for winter are way out there. One thing I noticed when we were finding out if I was warm vs cool was with warm colors on me, I looked warm. And I liked how I looked. My skin didn't stand out, but it didn't look bad in my opinion. And with the cool colors, I saw contrast, and like my skin looked lighter, but my rosacea felt more noticeable. With warm colors, my skin tone felt more even. But she decided that looking warm in warm colors wasn't good so I must be cool. I was skeptical but decided to continue with the process, and between winter and summer, there was a very minor difference that didn't really seem to matter to me. Either way, I ended up being the one season I didn't see myself being AT ALL. I like wearing cute and feminine clothes, and the winter palette gives "sophistication," which I don't have in me unless I need to be.
When I got home, I immediately started wearing all of my clothes so I could feel happy in my favorite outfits, regardless of color.
My $400 takeaway: wear what makes you smile. You don't need to box yourself into 1/4th of the color wheel to look "good".
i do not buy into this seasonal analysis however i do believe that some colors fit better some skintones
for exemple, i can’t wear anything red red like a red shirt cause it makes me look like i git a sunburn
but some variants like orange-red is perfect for me!
i dont get people who have to assign themselves clothes based on a pseudoscience (seasons, kibbe,..).
what happened to going to a store and picking pieces you like, then try on and if it still sparks joy when its on you, you buy it. how is that any more effort or any less rewarding?
I expected this video to be just “color analysis is a scam because you should wear what you want” and was pleasantly surprised that you had many good reasons other than that. Very well done video!
This is such a strong video essay that I subscribed right away, and dang I was shocked to see that your channel isn't more essays. You're clearly a natural of the format.
oh my gosh this is so kind, thank you! I watch a lottt of video essays but I'm a bit intimidated to make them because they tend to get people ~riled up~ lol. I'd love to do more eventually!
@@beepwrld I feel that! Existing online can be exhausting!
I've been trying to be more intentional about style and fashion lately, and I have found myself watching a ton of these videos but could never get over my skepticism. It just always seemed too convenient and neat. I really appreciate the effort you put into this!
Finally! Thank you! Like it is not even hard to disprove, it's just color theory-- every color looks different against other colors and in different lights. In fact there aren't even really distinct colors, your brain just guesses what any given color is using some light information and a lot of context cues. So a person wearing the same green sweater will look different in different light, in different environments, and in different situational contexts, and from different people (think, the black and blue or white and gold dress-- this is an example of the color guessing your eyes do all the time).
I get your point. But the fact that colors look different in different lights doesn't prove that seasonal color analysis is wrong. Yes, cool colors obviously appear warmer in warm light, but it's a fact that it will still look cooler than a warmer color in warm light. A person's facial features look different in different lighting as well. The point is that when you wear a color that suits you and the light changes, your features change with the color you wear and it will still suit you well. So if cool colors suit a person, it will flatter them no matter the light setting.
I started getting into the whole colour analysis thing about a year ago bc I often found I was complimented in some colours more than others. And to be honest it is really helpful to at least get yours done by 1 or 2 people because even if you don’t fit specifically into one category at least you can understand what each colour does to you individually. I learned that I am a muted at7mn and ever since I started dressing that way people point out how unison my paper Ian even and complexion looks.
i’m VERY wary of any typing at all. i was typed as a dark winter, which i thought suited me since i tend to lean more gothic in my style anyway. however, the POC i’ve talked to tend to be typed as autumns and winters to an overwhelming degree. most of the latina and asian women i’ve talked to have been typed as autumns in particular. kibbe is also bullshit, especially when you consider women who are 5’6” and 5’7” and how inconsistent the “typing” can be for them
Honestly, I’ve been into colour analysis for years, struggling to fit in and finally more or less gave up recently. Best decision ever.
Your video calmed my anxiety regarding this topic big time. Thank you
Finally! This is the video I've been waiting for someone to make on color analysis! This is somehow all of my thoughts on color analysis put so eloquently into one video
Thank you for this video! Color theory has been very frustrating to me, as I’ve had several color analysis done in the past and everyone has said something different. I’ve been told I’m a true autumn, a soft autumn, a deep autumn, and a soft summer. So, if not even the “professionals” can agree on my colors, my conclusion is to just wear whatever clothes and makeup I want and color my hair whichever color I think looks good.
I totally agree with you! I fell for this nonsense when I was about your age, which was when the Carole Jackson book came out. I thought I "couldn't" wear certain colors, and wasted decades of my life wearing what I thought I "should" wear for my "season" (ironically, colors I didn't particularly like). There is a happy ending here ... I finally realized how restrictive and unnecessary the whole philosophy was and decided to play with color to my heart's content. The main problem here is that color is supposed to be FUN, that we are meant to experiment with it and enjoy it. Don't ever let anyone tell you what you should do, in any area of your life, certainly not in what colors to wear!!
Yay! I went my entire life avoiding yellow because I thought I had to avoid it and today I discovered I look great in bright yellow. I can't wait to wear it.
I believe in it in the way of matching my natural contrast. I always look more put together when I follow that. John Kitchener offers a service that matches to your exact colours, not just a category.
this video was so well done!! I think the color analysis framework has given me language to understand some of the patterns I’ve noticed myself (I have low contrast coloring and I find slightly less saturated colors easier for me to wear on a regular basis) but I really needed this video to help untether me from its further implications. I think of it kinda like personality tests, where I just get a new lens through which I can process myself but it doesn’t determine my decisions
Agree on all of the above, thank you for your video. To add something to the conversation, I would say that it's really suspicious the fact that the majority of time women ended up upset by the season they are categorized upon! Like, some of YT I follow that decided to give it a go, rotate to a specific palette they like, but suddenly they are told they have been wearing the wrong colors for all this time and they have to give up on all their wardrobe and focus on colors that are the COMPLETE opposite of what they already wear (aka : women asked to spend more money by capitalism on assumption based on pure aesthetic, judged by one single person under a cast white light)
I think what's actually useful abt this is just learning colour theory. I think many people, those who are not designers, artists, fashion people, etc, just understand that red and yellow are warm and blue and green are cool. I myself wondered for a while why I liked some red colours even though I have such a massive favouritism towards cool dark colours, and massive dislike for warm colours. Turns out you can have cool toned reds! Reds aren't exclusively warm, and greens and purples and blues aren't exclusively cool. But this is colour theory, not seasonal analysis, and I think that makes much more sense and is grounded in science, if you're actually into thinking about those kinds of things. In the end you should just wear that you like, but some people like to understand why they like some things. For example I like stuff that makes me look pale!
Another thing is also confidence. A lot of people talk about how, when certain changes happen to them, and they get a lot of compliments, it's not actually the change, but the confidence they excuded that made people more attracted to them. If you wear a colour thats not your season, but you love it and the joy is visible in your confidence and feeling-at-home-in-your-body-ness, then people are gonna be attracted to that! And if you wear something that theoretically makes you look warmer, slimmer, whatever it is that is being considered attractive, but you look sad bc you hate the colour, then people are gonna subconsciously notice and not find it attractive. It's anecdotal, but something I've noticed many many people say about varying appearances, both colours, weight, age, anything. Confidence is underrated and very subconscious, it's not easy to pick out that that's actually what you're noticing and not the change itself.
Loving this science arc for you
you guys take everything so personally 😭 it's just for fun, obviously its not something everyone has to follow
As a white woman, I did find a free website to color analyze myself and I thought the results were really cool and helpful. I noticed the colors it suggested were the same colors as some of my favorite clothes already. Figuring out what colors I like on myself also helped me with thrifting better. Now I just look through colors I like to wear. Granted, I don’t stay away from the colors it suggests and I would never pay for such an analysis but! I am happy to have found it.
What was the website called?
I feel the same way about gold/silver jewerely. Gold is usually just toned down and a little classy, but also shows some rich, put together vibe, while silver usually brightens a person up and can usually be seen a bit better. This is just a difference in what is trending atm.
Hey Liz!! I absolutely LOVED your take on color analysis. I'm a black woman who's had an audhd hyperfixation on color analysis for a whileeee and it was so refreshing to receive your point of view on this whole system. A lot of what you are saying I agree with; the basis of this system is definitely catered to people who look a specific way. All you have to do is look at the terminology used when determining seasons "light vs dark" and "clear vs muted". When typing someone of color, are they all "dark"? What is this measure of "darkness" vs "lightness"? "Clear" features and having high contrast definitely seems to take into account lighter eye colors. If you take a step back, it does look like we're back into an antiquated mindset of categorizing people based on their phenotype.
However, something that I have loved seeing in the discussion and research of color analysis is opening your eyes to the world of color. With a background in theatrical design, I see the how pivotal color can be in expression AND impression. For example, if you were watching a murder mystery and there were two actors, one in red and one in white, your innate bias might lead you to thinking the actor in red was the culprit, right? What you, as a director, do with that information is completely up to you. Do you use color to help them come to the right conclusion, or do you use color to completely throw your audience off? That can only be done intentionally by having a deep understanding of color!
In the same way, people who love fashion can use something like color analysis to make informed decisions about looks! Maybe the vibe i'm going for today is to look like a sick victorian child, and tomorrow I want to look vibrant and sunkissed--knowing more about color and how to play with it makes us more empowered artists with our closets as our palette and the world a canvas!
So, I say yes, color analysis is completely subjective and should not be used as an end-all be-all. Color analysis can absolutely be done in your living room with some of your best girlfriends/family members and you don't have to spend a dime. And as with anything in fashion, color analysis DOES NOT define you! It's simply another tool that aids in your chosen form of self expression :)
Thanks again for making this video, Liz. I really enjoyed it!!
?? light versus dark refers to TEXTILE not humans. And the subgroups (3 per season) accomodated people of colour. Colour Analysis Studio did a session with a dark skinned woman, she is a bright winter but can easily stray into bright spring. The warm / cool aspect is less important for people of colour, intensity becomes more important. It also plays a role for white / light skinned folks, but even more so if there is more darkbrown melanin in the skin.
Another thing that helped me came from a German colour analyst that used to be a nurse for infants. She was trained to be very perceptive of the skin tone. The little ones cannot talk and she had to notice changes - also in the skin. She had to learn about the skin (layers). She does not subscribe to "undertones" or that you can see your type (saison) from the blood vessels (arteries, green or blueish), or hair or eye colour etc.
All human skin has darkbrown melanin and a bit of yellow melanin (gingers have more yellow). Blood vessels and the tissue will give it a rosy hue. Some people have a greyish hue (just a bit - but if they wear yellowish = warm colours they look sickly).
The individual combination makes up the skin tone.
People with a bit more yellow melanine will benefit from wearing warm colours. It highlights the yellow / golden in their skin. Their skin looks good, healthy, harmonious.
People with pinkish undertones (or grey) look better in the cool colors.People of colour fall also either into the warm or cool category. But the effect is more subtle, they can stray into the other category and it will not be unflattering. They do have the yellow melanin as well, but it is less visible against plenty of dark melanin.
On the other hand the right intensity (to match their natural coloring and contrast) becomes more important. Bright winter has stunning, intensive colours (and same is true for bright spring).
You should definitely have a look on the video.
The color of eyes and hair do not matter when you determine the saison or subgroup.
What causes a specific pigementation of skin will also manifest in pigmentation of hair and iris color - it will be a good match. Maybe there would be hair colours that are even better, but the natural colour will never be wrong. (not sure if that also applies to gray or white hair).
One of my photography clients had her colors done and I thought the color of the blouse she chose to wear drew more attention to the blouse than if she had worn something to bring out her eye color. The color was wearing her rather than she was wearing the color is what I'm trying to say.
I love this breakdown! So appreciate someone else articulating my issues with seasonal color analysis. Would love to see a similar breakdown of Kibbe body types. Just for some anecdotal evidence, I fit perfectly into cool summer but mostly wear black and warm autumn colors, and I get compliments all the time. Ultimately your confidence in an outfit is what people will notice.
Excellent points all around. I'll also just add that it's likely that different people see the same color differently b/c of like our light receptors; color-blindness being an extreme version of that, but even like without going to such extremes, how many times someone says "oh this is x color" and someone else says "no, it's y color, can't you see?". So I decided not to bother with all this and just go with what I like (which is basically all shades of blue, my wardrobe has just been getting more and more blue over the years lol)
this was such a well-done video omg 😶I definitely have been curious about this and lured in by all the videos, and I really appreciate such a well-researched and articulate pause and think about it :)
As a fashion designer, I've always felt the same way about color analysis! I've studied it in fashion school, and always thought it was ridiculous. The worst part is, people keep asking me what season they are once they hear I've studied fashion. I always respond with "wear what makes you feel happy".
That was sooo interesting, thank you !! Also, I absolutely loved your message at the end. I was told that I shouldn't wear this color, or that I couldn't pair it with this other one -even though I really liked the combination-, and I believed it. But when you realise you are much more confident and happy wearing those "forbidden colors", it doesn't matter anymore and you can have fun with clothing and actually dress the way you want, no experts needed :)
I appreciate your questioning of whether or not you should ascribe to an arbitrary system of what is and is not an "attractive" color for oneself because boy, some people really want to be told what they should think about colors, shapes, and styles. I worked in retail for 7 years and the number of people who would buy things only because they are deemed "in fashion" is surprisingly high. And yes, I even ran into people who would tell me things like "I can't wear that color I'm a Summer/Winter/Autumn/Red Head/Have Blue Eyes/etc". Personally, I think this is a larger problem with how we go about consumption and fashion since we're used to being marketed specific products and opinions and the attitude that "you can just do what you want" is genuinely scary or overwhelming for some. When I would sell clothes to people I would ask them a few questions and for me this is how I've always shopped (and continue to shop even now!):
1. Is this garment practical for your use case or occasions that you're looking to wear it?
2. Does it have a good shelf life in your wardrobe? Will you wear it more than 5 times? 10 times? 20 times?
3. Does it fit your body? Do you have a "comfortable" range of motion in it?
4. Do you like the style of this garment? Is the color or shape appealing to you?
5. Is this garment well made? Is the fabric and the construction of a good quality? Does it feel like it will last?
6. Do you feel confident or excited about the garment when wearing it? Does it feel flattering to your shape or appearance?
Idk, this is probably ramble-y but maybe this might help someone make decisions.
I live in Korea as a dark skin asian, and personal color is super popular here ( you can also see countless personal color in korean youtube). They use the PCCS japanese color chart system where hair/eye color and skin doesn't matter.
I tried a consultation since i am making my own clothes and i constantly felt i was choosing bad colors for my skin tone, so now i took the consultant advice to try new colors :) 6:55
Did you find their ideas helpful?
@@seemakazmi965 My analysis results are that i am pale spring - which if you look at results in western personal color seem to cater to light hair and fair complexions, so i was really surprised that it would fit me as i have tan skin and dark hair ! I have been playing around with more light pastels colors and have been advised on choosing lighter coral tones of makeup, so its actually more natural than the way i use to wear makeup 😊
The way this ignores differences just between one ethnicity.. As an Indian woman who isn't dark or dusky but has black brown hair.. It was so tough for me. I've been watching Aly Art's videos she has so much more information on a lot of stuff
Ps. I also think dressing according to Essence looks better than kibbe body system
Spoken like a true Autumn ;-)
I'm an Art Historian with an extensive background in colour analysis. I think it's great that Seasonal Colour Analysis spreads more awareness of the different characteristics of colours, and that's certainly helpful. The 12 type theory reminds me a bit of astrology. We seem to have the need to create categories, whether it's star signs, Myers-Briggs types or colour season. Ultimately, we share characteristics with others but never all of them.
Consultants have their own personal tastes. I find the videos interesting but I'll continue to wear the colours I like.