Deluge Gaza -- Norman Finkelstein, Slavoj Zizek, Mouin Rabbani, Razia Iqbal, Colter Louwerse

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  • Опубліковано 20 тра 2024
  • LIVE ON AVENUE C, a conversation series by OR Books
    On the current catastrophe in Gaza with Norman Finkelstein, Slavoj Zizek, Mouin Rabbani, Colter Louwerse, moderated by Razia Iqbal.
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    orbooks.com/catalog/deluge/
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    Formats: Paperback, E-Book, Audiobook
    Free Chapter by Mouin Rabbani
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    About the Book:
    DELUGE: Gaza and Israel from Crisis to Cataclysm
    Edited by JAMIE STERN-WEINER
    Foreword by AVI SHLAIM
    With Contributions by
    MUSA ABUHASHHASH, AHMED ALNAOUQ, NATHAN J. BROWN, YANIV COGAN, CLARE DALY MEP, TALAL HANGARI, KHALED HROUB, R. J., COLTER LOUWERSE, MITCHELL PLITNICK, MOUIN RABBANI, SARA ROY, AND AVI SHLAIM
    SARA ROY, AND AVI SHLAIM
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    Table of Contents:
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    0:00:00 Introduction and opening remarks; the event is a book launch for "Deluge"
    0:06:14 ️ Colter Louwerse: The history of missed peace opportunities
    0:12:55 Mouin Rabbani: Regional dynamics and the fallacy of Hamas's motivation
    0:20:47 ️ Slavoj Zizek: Personal experiences and philosophical implications
    0:27:26 The current state of affairs
    0:29:11 Norman Finkelstein: Reasons for hope despite the situation
    0:42:53 ️ The possibility of a shift in US foreign policy
    0:48:31 ️ Two-state versus one-state solution
    0:56:54 ️ The need for a moral reckoning
    0:59:49 Potential for change and public perception
    1:04:22 ️ The limitations of diplomacy and non-violent resistance
    1:24:30 The challenge of changing Israeli society
    1:28:26 The entrenched nature of Israeli attitudes
    1:34:10 Shifting dynamics within Israeli society
    (credit: @nawafdreams)
    #gaza #palestine #normanfinkelstein #slavojzizek #mouinrabbani #orbooks

КОМЕНТАРІ • 654

  • @gojiplusone
    @gojiplusone 29 днів тому +377

    Never thought I'd see Norman Finkelstein and Slavoj Zizek being that close to a disco ball.

    • @paulchampagne-hx9ob
      @paulchampagne-hx9ob 27 днів тому +22

      I wouldn't waste my time listening to Zizek anymore. Since he's now recycling his own stolen stories now. However he was in a room with Finkelstein.

    • @ReverseTranscriptase
      @ReverseTranscriptase 27 днів тому +7

      Slavoj has lost a ton of weight - good on him! Maybe his condition will clear up if he keeps this up.

    • @mandarine1007
      @mandarine1007 26 днів тому

      😂😂😂

    • @mandarine1007
      @mandarine1007 26 днів тому +15

      @@paulchampagne-hx9obbig words! Everybody deserves respect, even you after that unnecessary comment

    • @nightoftheworld
      @nightoftheworld 24 дні тому +7

      @@paulchampagne-hx9obwhat exactly don’t you like about Zizek’s views?

  • @DemonetisedZone
    @DemonetisedZone 29 днів тому +130

    Such a blessing for someone like me sitting in my flat in Glasgow 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 to be able to look and listen to people who have a deep knowledge of the subject 👏😊

  • @safanamakhdoomable
    @safanamakhdoomable Місяць тому +222

    Mouin Rabbani is also incredibly knowledgeable and has a great sense how to speak publicly

    • @damian4351
      @damian4351 29 днів тому +16

      He gets somehow overlooked even though he has amazing ability to speak eloquently and respond with great points.

    • @vleontis8940
      @vleontis8940 27 днів тому +9

      @@damian4351 I agree with you. Mouin is less sensational (if I may use this word) and more low key than Norman and definitely Slavoj. I like his composure and the knowledge capital he brings to such discussions.

    • @vleontis8940
      @vleontis8940 27 днів тому

      @@damian4351 👍🏼

    • @troubadour0663
      @troubadour0663 26 днів тому

      ​@@vleontis8940I think the word you're looking for is "less sensationalist"

    • @nisrinemarchoude5015
      @nisrinemarchoude5015 26 днів тому +5

      I find Mouin's structured thought astonishing. He spots fallacies and responds by flawless arguments every time.

  • @bigollameo
    @bigollameo Місяць тому +45

    What a panel! Thanks to all the members. Will pick up a copy of "Deluge Gaza" soon.

  • @LynaGalliara
    @LynaGalliara 29 днів тому +38

    I have enormous respect for the moderator Razia Iqbal for the intelligence, confidence, and eloquence she displayed, moderating a talk of such importance, featuring so many great minds.

  • @raihanasaadouni447
    @raihanasaadouni447 27 днів тому +62

    in times like these, I thank god for the invention of the internet! what a privilege to be able to watch this from the comfort of one's living room

    • @zacharyholley9520
      @zacharyholley9520 21 день тому +1

      You’d be better off thanking the people who invented the internet, rather then a non existent deity. To which god are you praising? There are so many options

    • @zacharyholley9520
      @zacharyholley9520 12 днів тому

      @@cicolas_nage Thanks, I am smart. Glad you took notice.

    • @christoffer6527
      @christoffer6527 3 дні тому

      ​@@cicolas_nage Well, Vint Cerf (Vice president at Google) and Bob Khan are both still alive 😂 nice username btw

  • @kucutooms8685
    @kucutooms8685 29 днів тому +32

    These are the discussion that should be made on mainstream media, nt the constant discussion abt politicians' shenanigans.....

  • @zasterheffor
    @zasterheffor 26 днів тому +89

    This video is criminally underviewed.

    • @Helios--
      @Helios-- 13 днів тому +3

      Yes. I just wish they had better audio!

    • @thetopcoder
      @thetopcoder 4 дні тому +1

      It's a manipulative 1-sided presentation of the situation there. It's good that it's underviewed!

    • @JoeARedHawk275
      @JoeARedHawk275 4 дні тому +3

      @@thetopcoderThere is no both sides to a genocide

    • @samsungladiesmasters
      @samsungladiesmasters 4 дні тому

      Why not? ​@@JoeARedHawk275

    • @faycelmerakeb6212
      @faycelmerakeb6212 3 дні тому

      ​@@thetopcoderone sided IS the lie colonist repeat

  • @nazimbahrin3638
    @nazimbahrin3638 Місяць тому +99

    I will continue to support the Prof and anyone fighting for justice and humanities!

  • @Falafel556
    @Falafel556 Місяць тому +90

    Norm and Rabbani are the one two punch the best !!!

    • @sandrajayne5446
      @sandrajayne5446 Місяць тому +4

      NORM: passion unleashed and Rabbani: heartbreaking revelations, ❤❤❤🇸🇩🇸🇩

    • @warikito
      @warikito 29 днів тому +3

      I agree, both of them are unbelievable knowledgeable about Palestine and its cruel occupation. I keep listening to them learning volumes of information.

  • @thairk
    @thairk Місяць тому +30

    Great Panel discussions by all participants. Good for you Zizek that you reflected in what you said the last months and avoided be part of the dead Europe and dirty place at which Habermas and alike occupy now.

  • @stellabrown909
    @stellabrown909 Місяць тому +69

    Thank you so much Professor Norman for getting fully involved in the debates and talks on Gaza, I have learnt so much from you on this topic of the prolonged struggle for freedom of the lovely people of Gaza, I pray and hope that you get to see this day come. I will never forget you as long as I live. so thank you, thank you.

  • @jonathanshihadeh
    @jonathanshihadeh Місяць тому +52

    If this was in germany they would all get arrested

    • @martinkupp9544
      @martinkupp9544 7 днів тому +4

      Unfortunately, this is true. Our discourse here in Germany is just awful ...

    • @djvincekline7338
      @djvincekline7338 6 днів тому +2

      Including Norman and they would call him an antisemite :-D They do the same with Avi Schlaim, rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss (a rabbi!), Gabor Maté and Illan Pappé (Holocaust survivors) etc etc etc...

  • @fairdose
    @fairdose 23 дні тому +30

    Holy Shit! Norman Finkelstein and Slavoj Zizek on the same panel???? This should be broadcast on every progressive UA-cam channel!

  • @safanamakhdoomable
    @safanamakhdoomable Місяць тому +68

    Norman is such a BOSS - moves me to tears sometimes - incredibly just person

    • @jaialaiwarrior
      @jaialaiwarrior 29 днів тому +2

      He probably moves himself to tears also, especially with his solitary social life and how much he loves the sound of him own voice.

    • @stearin1978
      @stearin1978 2 дні тому

      Thanks gods they invented x1.5 speed play on youtube.

  • @HelbergProductions
    @HelbergProductions Місяць тому +48

    It is interesting to note how Zizek (uncharacteristically) never interjects with a question or joke when the other panelists speak here. It shows how much he genuinely respects their insights and expertise.

    • @ADogNamedElmo
      @ADogNamedElmo 20 днів тому +2

      He never interjects other panelists

  • @HughCurranAedh
    @HughCurranAedh Місяць тому +75

    Norman and Colter speak with admirable clarity. The situation in Gaza is so depressing that any level of clarity is uplifting...Rabbani said it well as an Israeli leadership is made up of children and have run amok, not comprehending the consequences; In the extreme impunity that is evident in the destruction of Gaza, one must look also at those who support it and allow it to take place. But as Norman said, 80% of Israeli society supports what is taking place. It has become "such an ugly place" and the position it has placed itself, "it is horrible" and Israeli society is not seeing what it has done. Is there a "capacity for self-reform" in Israel?

    • @koyou22
      @koyou22 25 днів тому +2

      Hi Hugh, I'm an Israeli and I, along with the majority of my statesmen, am misrepresented by Norman. By Normans own admissions he has never been to Israel, doesn't understand the Israeli mentality because he, "doesn't want to" (see lex Friedman's debate), and consistently misrepresents the history (see that same podcast episode which hosted left leaning Israeli historian Beni Morris).
      There is plenty of internal dialogue in Israel about the current situation. We are a liberal western democracy, we do not celebrate death or violence, we did not initiate the current round of conflict in Gaza.
      Israel had been pursuing a policy of de-escalation in Gaza up to Oct. 7th. There had been an increase in the number of Gazan Palestinians, who are not Israeli citizens, allowed in to Israel to work, get medical treatment, or travel around the country. Qatari money had been flowing into Gaza at regular intervals, Gazan farmers were selling produce in Israel, and the education, health, infant mortality rate, and other objective markers of life quality were better than in most places in the middle east.
      This is part of the reason Oct. 7th caught so many Israelis off guard, we had been working hard to try and stabilize the situation and make it better.
      The current situation is obviously horrible for everyone involved. However, we currently have 133 hostages in the hands of an Islamic extremist organization who has made it clear that they have no intention of returning them.
      The way things are right now, if we stop we are capitulating to terrorists. The Palestinian people deserve better than their leadership, but we have an obligation to ensure that this kind of action is not seen as a viable strategy by our enemies.
      Humanitarian aid should flow in as much as possible, and all efforts should be made to minimize civilian casualties, but under no circumstances can Hamas remain in power in Gaza and in control of Israeli civilians (some of which are women children and infants).
      I'm not sure where you are from, but I'm sure that you would hope that if you found yourself in a similar fate, that your country would do everything in its power to bring you back home.

    • @immortalnightbody
      @immortalnightbody 25 днів тому

      @@koyou22 This is the longest, most poorly-written lie that I have seen in quite some time. Hamas exists because of your lies. Nothing you've said is true. Hamas exists because you and your European ancestors think you have ethnic ties to the land when you do not. No one is buying the bullshit anymore. Might as well talk to a wall.

    • @pratika6352
      @pratika6352 22 дні тому +10

      I can see why Finkelstein is not interested in visiting Israel. In that long comment lauding your hard work to stabilise relations, all you have described is how you are trying to make a open-air prison viable. You also want the world to appreciate that after dispossessing a population, you are offering them jobs, health, etc. We have not even begun talking about the illegal settlers in West Bank. All in all, it seems pretty obvious how Israelis are quite unable to have any serious dialogue among themselves. They have just come to accept that they are "a western liberal democracy" somehow relocated into the east, and that they will go to no end of violence and deceit to keep things that way.

    • @koyou22
      @koyou22 22 дні тому +5

      @@pratika6352 I'm sure you have also never been to Israel, and that you likely never will. You've been so inundated with anti-zionist, anti-Israel, and sometimes anti-semetic propaganda that I probably couldn't say anything you wouldn't find fault with.
      Mostly the people Israelis are most able to have a dialogue with are Arab Israelis and Palestinians. The people who actually live in this region, who actually have the true and full picture of what's happening, don't make the points you make. They know what the true issues are both within their own society and in Israeli society.
      It's is not true that Gaza is an "open air prison" as you described. I've seen the quality of life there with my own eyes. The restrictions that are put on Gaza stem from the practicalities of sharing a border with a territory run by Islamic extremists who openly state in their charter, and at any available opportunity, that they want to kill you.
      The dispossession that you speak of was born of the Palestinians own repeated decision to pursue violence instead of diplomacy. If you attack someone for wanting to live with you or near you, and then you fail to kill them, and you continue to loudly tell them that you will kill them at the first opportunity, then don't expect them to trust you or go out of their way to make your life better.
      Mostly people are ignorant of the violent history and modern attacks committed by Palestinians targeting Israeli civilians happening on a daily basis in Israel.
      Probably in your case you even think that it's justified, which is a common theme in the Arab world.
      A wall with Arabs living on one side and Israelis living on the other seems racist, till you look at the second intifada where Israeli civilians were being blown up on commuter busses and restaurants every day. Before the second intifada, for 30 years, there was no separation fence. Today there are almost no suicide attacks in Israel. The Palestinians, in most cases, made their bed, and now are complaining loudly that they don't want to lie in it.
      Though honestly, I don't think that you are interested in finding solutions to this conflict, because you have no real skin in the game, this is just some interesting topic of discussion for you. You are Muslim, they are Muslim, you root for the home team, regardless of if they are right or not.

    • @Themrsnappyify
      @Themrsnappyify 21 день тому

      @@koyou22 you are spouting propaganda while telling other people they are brainwashed, you are justifying genocide you fool. wake up

  • @tameemmohsen
    @tameemmohsen Місяць тому +69

    What an amazing panel!! Great minds and hearts sitting side by side

    • @oktayakbas4904
      @oktayakbas4904 29 днів тому +1

      didn't Slavoj Zizek say "Russians are worse than those Arabs!!" recently on Piers Morgan or something? Do I remember right?

    • @jaialaiwarrior
      @jaialaiwarrior 29 днів тому +1

      They all look about as miserable as their cause.

  • @jorgeadame5158
    @jorgeadame5158 Місяць тому +141

    Norm is such a big balls humanist. Respect

  • @b-sideplank
    @b-sideplank Місяць тому +65

    the first time I listened to a Zizek talk completely 😂 To his credit, he spoke with much clarity.

    • @Tawahaj
      @Tawahaj 29 днів тому +7

      I got used to his way of talking very fast. First time I found it unbearable though 😂

    • @CrazyLinguiniLegs
      @CrazyLinguiniLegs 28 днів тому +9

      ⁠@@Tawahajsame. At first I was like, “I can’t even focus on what this guy is saying.” But several videos later, I barely noticed his glitches anymore.

    • @marcomarek7734
      @marcomarek7734 22 дні тому +1

      ​@@Tawahajit's quite a normal tempo 😅

  • @vleontis8940
    @vleontis8940 Місяць тому +48

    All four panelists bring something invaluable to this discussion. I bypass Norman (who is of course the giant anywhere) and I want to draw attention to Slavoj and Colter. Slavoj explained (in his own inimitable way) the state of mind of European political and intellectual leaders. Their double standard is so entrenched in their minds and milieux that they are unable to see it or recognize its illogical and morally vile nature. Germany is the worst of all, but in general, are no longer rational people - with exception of the Irish (so far). This is what any reasonable movement for the liberation of Palestine has to deal with. It’s important to know the background and Slavoj brought it out for us.
    And watch Colter. He is a great researcher and painstaking chronicler of the situation. He is the future Norman Finkelstein.

    • @l.w.paradis2108
      @l.w.paradis2108 Місяць тому +1

      Tremendous points. Thank you.
      When I read something like this, I always ask what you're reading that you might recommend. 😊

    • @dvegule920
      @dvegule920 29 днів тому +4

      Does Mr. Zizek finally see the EU crooked nature. Because he didn't seem to be aware of it to the beginning of the Ukraine war.

    • @vleontis8940
      @vleontis8940 29 днів тому +8

      @@l.w.paradis2108 Thank you.
      I suggest Ilan Pappe’s “The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine” (great historian) and an old, old small book by Noam Chomsky “Manufacturing Consent.” There are a lot of publications on Palestine and many of them are by Israeli or Jewish scholars. I just ordered “Deluge” because it’s a recent update.

    • @djvincekline7338
      @djvincekline7338 6 днів тому +3

      You forget the Spanish. Both the civilians and the political leaders of Spain are standing firm behind Palestine and will continue to do so.

  • @TheInternetFan
    @TheInternetFan 27 днів тому +12

    Slavoj Zizek is just awesome! He's so passionate when he points out the fallacies of German politicians in regards to the vengeance of the IDF on Gazawi civilians. He just quoted Primo Levi 22:45 , one of my favourite Italian authors. ❤

  • @Marxist2
    @Marxist2 Місяць тому +264

    I wish Norman Finkelstein would go on forever spreading his knowledge & wisdom. Thank you for having him on this panel.

    • @Orion-lt3zz
      @Orion-lt3zz Місяць тому +13

      buy his books then.

    • @greguretzky3749
      @greguretzky3749 Місяць тому +24

      Norman Finkelstein is a selective historian even his quotes are never full, he always selects what will serve his narrative.. this behavior of his cause to the situation we are.. hiding the truth or telling half of it's a crime! I say so thing I thought he is telling the truth till I checked his quotes... and all of them were picky.. check me.. please

    • @dLehman
      @dLehman Місяць тому +22

      @@greguretzky3749so we should go and check all his quotes?? Why don’t you ‘select’ some of his selective quotes for us to prove your point. That would be wise. Also, how is his behaviour of being ‘selective’ cause for the situation that we are in.. what situation? You mean he’s responsible for the genocide that Israel is committing against the Palestinians? Such a tall order.. the burden of proof for this rests on your shoulders, mate!

    • @promark5317
      @promark5317 Місяць тому +6

      @@greguretzky3749 Eli Lake is that you?

    • @ChannelMath
      @ChannelMath Місяць тому +8

      @@greguretzky3749 no. why don't you give us just one? we're not your research assistant.

  • @tahalaperigo9771
    @tahalaperigo9771 29 днів тому +14

    I agree with Slavoj Norman has to be by far the most admired person historically with admirable honest of historical facts and knowledge like no other person I know. Respect.

  • @hamonryechinaski180
    @hamonryechinaski180 24 дні тому +4

    Can't wait to buy this book. Jamie has done a great job getting chapters off all these great people.

  • @darling_tonia
    @darling_tonia 18 днів тому +3

    What a great panal! Such a fan of Mouin Rabbani, whose dry contempt for the racism and hypocrisy of the Zs is one of the only things keeping me sane for the last half year...

  • @Leftseat52UT
    @Leftseat52UT 27 днів тому +8

    Excellent presentation! So sorely needed! Thank you!

  • @raheem4real
    @raheem4real Місяць тому +12

    Norman the world's most well-read velociraptor. He's so dedicated he's willing to sit in this room in those hot clothes under that lamp, even at his age. My dad would have refused to do this like even 10 years AGO

  • @conorknapp6764
    @conorknapp6764 Місяць тому +17

    I am glad to see a panel with figures like Finkelstein and Zizek on it since, while they are both undeniably leftist thinkers, they have held radically different views on the situation in Gaza and I believe a lot can be gained as a listener from hearing different viewpoints rather than having a group who simply agree with each other on every point of the issue.
    And to anyone who mocks Slavoj for his speech impediment, you are the fool staring at the wise man’s finger while he points to the moon

  • @jylyhughes5085
    @jylyhughes5085 Місяць тому +77

    Norman is utterly magnificent

  • @paulalexander5358
    @paulalexander5358 26 днів тому +3

    'NO SILVER LINING IN A GENOCIDE'...that's PURE GOLD...!!!

  • @samsue2924
    @samsue2924 Місяць тому +34

    Wow, what a line up.

  • @shanihandel9621
    @shanihandel9621 Місяць тому +7

    Excellent, thank you! ✊❤️🇵🇸

  • @Chowringhee
    @Chowringhee Місяць тому +5

    Outstanding in every respect. These are true humanitarians in the best sense of the word. Great to see Razia, too.

  • @aisharasheed8225
    @aisharasheed8225 Місяць тому +64

    Norman is a legend and the rock star of Palestinian cause… thank you Norman

  • @t-man1385
    @t-man1385 29 днів тому +6

    Norman and Rabbani. So much respect

  • @Goodspaceguy
    @Goodspaceguy 29 днів тому +8

    My partner and I are in Brooklyn and super bummed we missed this

  • @Lmoes
    @Lmoes 28 днів тому +7

    For a split second I misread the video title as including the names "Deleuze" and "Žižek" and got excited. What I actually watched was to me equally interesting. Thank you for the upload

    • @juliusseizure591
      @juliusseizure591 26 днів тому +1

      Same haha

    • @Lmoes
      @Lmoes 26 днів тому

      ​@@juliusseizure591hehe, I'm happy to hear that I wasn't the only one

  • @crackthefoundation_
    @crackthefoundation_ Місяць тому +45

    Thanks all! ❤🇵🇸

  • @FrankReif
    @FrankReif 29 днів тому +21

    I'm shocked the algorithm allowed me to find this.

    • @lucavelli9723
      @lucavelli9723 29 днів тому +1

      Exactly

    • @galmunk
      @galmunk 29 днів тому

      Way, i got it and im Israeli, idias are like water, easy to spread, regardless of reality or substance solutions. Its in the benefits of china and Russia thet the west will despite between each other

    • @deanmcinerney2324
      @deanmcinerney2324 28 днів тому +2

      Why? As soon as you look at Palestine on YT it all comes up. Google has behaved itself compared with Meta.

    • @merzoukanis7550
      @merzoukanis7550 17 днів тому

      me too man

  • @nawafdreams
    @nawafdreams 29 днів тому +7

    🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
    00:00 *📚 Introduction and opening remarks*
    - The event is a book launch for "Deluge," which explores the ongoing crisis in Gaza,
    - The book highlights the historical context and recent developments in the conflict,
    - The panelists will discuss the crisis and its potential ramifications.
    06:14 *🕊️ Colter Louwerse: The history of missed peace opportunities*
    - The PLO and Hamas have both expressed willingness for a two-state solution,
    - Israel and the US have consistently rejected or undermined Palestinian peace initiatives,
    - The current crisis is a consequence of missed opportunities for peace.
    12:55 *🎤 Mouin Rabbani: Regional dynamics and the fallacy of Hamas's motivation*
    - The claim that Hamas attacked Israel to disrupt a Saudi-Israeli normalization agreement is unfounded,
    - Such an agreement was unlikely due to US commitments requiring Congressional approval,
    - Hamas's attack was motivated by broader regional and international neglect of the Palestinian issue.
    20:47 *🗣️ Slavoj Zizek: Personal experiences and philosophical implications*
    - Zizek faced accusations of anti-semitism for acknowledging Palestinian suffering at a German book fair,
    - He criticizes the depoliticization of the conflict and the unconditional support for Israel in Germany,
    - Zizek draws parallels between the current situation and the failures of European Enlightenment ideals.
    27:26 *🎭 The current state of affairs*
    - Israel has become increasingly reliant on criminal gangs to control the West Bank,
    - The Israeli political spectrum has shifted further to the right, with no center or left,
    - Recent events mark a dangerous new era in the conflict.
    29:11 *💪 Norman Finkelstein: Reasons for hope despite the situation*
    - South Africa's application to the International Court of Justice (ICJ) regarding the Gaza crisis is a significant development,
    - The ICJ's ruling against Israel and the support from various countries offer a glimmer of hope,
    - The persistence of young activists and the resilience of the Palestinians inspire continued efforts for change.
    42:53 *⚖️ The possibility of a shift in US foreign policy*
    - Public opinion in the US is shifting towards recognizing the illegitimacy of Israel's actions,
    - Senator Schumer's recent speech shows a more balanced view of the conflict,
    - The New York Times comment section reflects a growing understanding of Palestinian rights.
    48:31 *🗺️ Two-state versus one-state solution*
    - Western politicians use the two-state solution as a distraction from their actions that perpetuate the conflict,
    - Despite challenges, a two-state solution remains feasible, but its desirability is increasingly questioned,
    - The current Israeli government's stance makes negotiations impossible, and the conflict may continue for a long time.
    56:54 *⚖️ The need for a moral reckoning*
    The high death toll in Gaza demands a moral reckoning for the failure to protect innocent civilians,
    Western media often downplays or justifies the suffering in Gaza, placing blame on Hamas,
    It is crucial to challenge this narrative and expose the reality of Israel's actions.
    59:49 *✊ Potential for change and public perception*
    Public recognition of Palestine by several European countries is a positive sign,
    It is important to shift public perception beyond acknowledging suffering to understanding its root causes,
    Changing public discourse and challenging dominant narratives are crucial steps in the struggle for justice.
    01:01:22 *🗣️ The limitations of diplomacy and non-violent resistance*
    The brutal blockade and repeated attacks on Gaza have left Palestinians with limited options,
    Diplomatic efforts and non-violent resistance, such as the Great March of Return, have failed to bring about change,
    The lack of response to Israel's violence against peaceful protesters raises questions about the effectiveness of non-violent strategies.
    01:24:30 *🤨 The challenge of changing Israeli society*
    - The protest movement in Israel focuses on specific issues like hostage release and judicial reforms but largely avoids addressing the Palestinian question,
    - Israeli society's long-standing impunity and sense of superiority make it difficult to envision significant change from within,
    - External pressure and accountability may be necessary to bring about meaningful reform.
    01:28:26 *🧱 The entrenched nature of Israeli attitudes*
    - The current war is not solely attributable to Netanyahu but reflects a broader societal consensus in Israel,
    - Polling data indicates overwhelming support for Israel's use of force in Gaza, with a significant portion favoring even greater escalation,
    - Transforming Israeli society will require addressing deep-rooted ideological issues of Jewish superiority and Arab inferiority.
    01:34:10 *😨 Shifting dynamics within Israeli society*
    - The recent events have led to a sense of disillusionment and insecurity among Israelis, particularly those in Tel Aviv who previously enjoyed a sense of normalcy,
    - There is a growing trend of disinvestment in the national project, with many considering leaving the country,
    - This internal shift adds complexity to the situation and raises questions about the future of Israeli society.
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  • @DipherOneCICrew
    @DipherOneCICrew 28 днів тому +4

    Wouldve loved to hear Alain Badiou on this panel, he went through a similar thjng to Slavoj earlier jn the 2000s when he wrote about Israel/Palestine and being accused publicly of antisemitism. Great panel tho, Norman is truly a great man.

  • @onatone
    @onatone Місяць тому +25

    Ty for re-uploading this with better sound 🙏

    • @22many77
      @22many77 Місяць тому +2

      how about just cut out that crypto fascist zizek

    • @meshzzizk
      @meshzzizk Місяць тому +3

      @@22many77 🙄🙄🙄

  • @DrXtoph
    @DrXtoph Місяць тому +7

    Thank you!

  • @lalodaniels1388
    @lalodaniels1388 Місяць тому +211

    I want my only child to be as principled a human being as Norman Finklestein.

    • @noahghost4476
      @noahghost4476 Місяць тому

      Fink is a sneaky liar. He tried to say he didn't know how bad oct 7 was until 10 days later.
      His argument is based on the writings of Benny Morris, who says Fink misinterpreted.
      Israel was attacked over and over and over. Intolerant, hateful people tricked you into supporting evil.

    • @tonybanks1035
      @tonybanks1035 29 днів тому

      you're living in a crazy period in which a demented extremist that praised the Charlie Hebdo terrorists has the reputation of a great humanist. There has rarely been more moral confusion in the west than currently.

    • @DavidDemurs
      @DavidDemurs 29 днів тому +16

      You want him to hate himself and be a hypocrite?

    • @lalodaniels1388
      @lalodaniels1388 29 днів тому +29

      @@DavidDemurs@DavidDemurs, I want my daughter to dedicate her life to never being afraid and always being honest. That is a righteous person.

    • @lalodaniels1388
      @lalodaniels1388 29 днів тому +6

      ​@@Liberte-bq5rc, you don't know what you're talking about. It would help if you were more transparent; that way, no one would be confused or misunderstand any facts. I also want my daughter to have the ability to communicate facts clearly, another Norman Finkelstein skill. I suppose it's easy when you are as honest as he is.

  • @zovalentine7305
    @zovalentine7305 23 дні тому +4

    " Every life is a whole world "
    ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

  • @user-eo6uz7ck7x
    @user-eo6uz7ck7x Місяць тому +4

    Mind blowing discussions, thank you all for standing up for justice.

  • @AtakanAltay
    @AtakanAltay Місяць тому +6

    closing the window and saying no problem. People who call themselves philosophers always do this. thank you norman

  • @BatkoMakhno-go1sr
    @BatkoMakhno-go1sr 29 днів тому +9

    Everyone was on point as usual but Zizek was especially spitting, his insights are so original and important, I love that man

  • @FM-ln2sb
    @FM-ln2sb День тому

    Norman and Mouin are the GOATs.

  • @FenrirFluffyFreyja
    @FenrirFluffyFreyja Місяць тому +7

    Maybe we need to have the Israelis take a walk inside Palestine Gaza to see with their own eyes what has been going on to help them change just like was done to German people at the end of ww2.

    • @itzelouise8714
      @itzelouise8714 29 днів тому +8

      Noo they will start building houses and picking lands immediately 😤

    • @richardwillford2418
      @richardwillford2418 9 днів тому

      Maybe the Gazans should take a walk in the villages were babies were beheaded and children forced to witness the murder of their parents? Oh, that's right, they already did.

  • @lucavelli9723
    @lucavelli9723 29 днів тому +3

    What a fascinating meeting. This is a great source of knowledge for those particularly interested in the P and I conflict. I wish all people can watch this instead of watching incompetent reporters on mainstream media. These are real competent intellectuales who report and document knowledge objectively and transparently. People should listen to these for truth. Otherwise they are giving chance to agenda-driven institutions to brainwash them.

  • @koshka02
    @koshka02 24 дні тому +2

    Oh wow, all the superstars. What a treat this is.

  • @DrXtoph
    @DrXtoph Місяць тому +5

    Thank you.

  • @MsIdiot000
    @MsIdiot000 15 днів тому +1

    SUCH GREAT MINDS AND PEOPLE OF INTEGRITY AND INTELLIGENCE IN ONE PLACE. AWESOME. ❤

  • @ferdwenen4892
    @ferdwenen4892 Місяць тому +6

    Wauw.. this line up is something else

  • @dieterbarkhoff1328
    @dieterbarkhoff1328 Місяць тому +12

    Hooray for Nicaragua!!!!!

  • @Salman-sc8gr
    @Salman-sc8gr Місяць тому +23

    What did they do to Arafat after he bent backwards to accept Oslo? Barricaded in his residence, cut off electricity and finally poisoned him.

  • @user-we8tw7xu1b
    @user-we8tw7xu1b Місяць тому +9

    Bravo

  • @l.w.paradis2108
    @l.w.paradis2108 Місяць тому +4

    Good grief, always saw through Habermas. Never could stand him.

  • @paulshafee7798
    @paulshafee7798 Місяць тому +15

    Wonderful event, many more please O/R books

  • @saqibsultantemuri2437
    @saqibsultantemuri2437 29 днів тому +4

    Such a deep dive Discussion. What a shame UA-cam trying to suppress this gathering. Two days online now, with those names, only 29k views with 1.5k likes, 300 comments.

  • @subversivelysurreal3645
    @subversivelysurreal3645 Місяць тому +5

    If anyone is interested in a conversation with the attorney from Nicaragua, see The Grayzone.

  • @ingridhildebrandt8053
    @ingridhildebrandt8053 Місяць тому +19

    Slavoj is right. It is awful in germany, you cannot say anything about israel- palestine and you will get aggressively attacked. It may happen that you have to pay a fine or even be jailed.

    • @Tawahaj
      @Tawahaj 29 днів тому +1

      It was predictable that germany would take such a stand on everything that has to do with Israel. The antisemitic crimes of the third reich effectively constitute the original sin of postmodern morality and a perceived hereditary debt to Israel was to be expected.

  • @IMA321
    @IMA321 28 днів тому +15

    I'm a simple man. I see Norman Finkelstein, I click.

    • @Zagros_1948
      @Zagros_1948 27 днів тому

      From which side ?? 😂😂😂

    • @lilnoir4213
      @lilnoir4213 27 днів тому +2

      @@Zagros_1948 From the jew hating side of course.

    • @SvalbardSleeperDistrict
      @SvalbardSleeperDistrict 27 днів тому

      @@lilnoir4213 🤡

    • @lucavelli9723
      @lucavelli9723 27 днів тому +2

      @@lilnoir4213 try something new and creative. That has been exhausted to the point that it no longer means what is intended to mean. Norman dismantled all this fake narrative single-handedly.

    • @lilnoir4213
      @lilnoir4213 27 днів тому

      ​@@lucavelli9723 Intresting, before you even know my critic you can already dismiss it.
      You are in deep propaganda my friend :)

  • @saeedmir7999
    @saeedmir7999 29 днів тому +2

    thank you guys.

  • @simonsteen-andersen3181
    @simonsteen-andersen3181 29 днів тому +3

    Thank you for this conversation

  • @rez_tu
    @rez_tu Місяць тому +5

    Wow 😮what an amazing panel ❤

  • @Heinrick192
    @Heinrick192 25 днів тому +1

    Thank the algorithm for bringing me here. Great panel!

  • @Peace2051
    @Peace2051 Місяць тому +4

    A technical suggestion: next time please hook the camera into the sound system rather than depend on the camera microphone to pick up the ambient sound in the room. The result will be less muffled. But a great panel discussion!

  • @joesabet2001
    @joesabet2001 Місяць тому +1

    Going to buy right now! Good to know, great presentation! ❤

  • @disneykilledstarwars
    @disneykilledstarwars Місяць тому +14

    4k video, thank YOU very much

  • @Tily0507
    @Tily0507 26 днів тому

    Wow. Thank you whoever put these people together.

  • @Irene-im8xi
    @Irene-im8xi 25 днів тому +2

    AIPAC and the donors to AIPAC vetted and approved Senators have a lot to answer for.

  • @shysonofficial
    @shysonofficial Місяць тому +10

    thanks for this, sharing knowledge is the key to peace

  • @l.w.paradis2108
    @l.w.paradis2108 Місяць тому +3

    ❤❤❤ Norman Finkelstein ❤❤❤

  • @nexusyang4832
    @nexusyang4832 28 днів тому +1

    Woah!!! Prof Finkelstein and Slavoj Zizek together!!!!

  • @WordToMomsYo
    @WordToMomsYo 29 днів тому +1

    Damnit, I wish i had known in advance about this event, would've loved to have been in attendance. At any rate, thanks for the upload!

  • @isync0025
    @isync0025 Місяць тому +1

    The only thing that was critically missing from such informative presentations is a historical timeline chart that pinpoints the major events sequentially and ties the narratives visually and intellectually. Great regards and respect to all of your efforts, support & voice.

  • @MichalisKarakatsanis
    @MichalisKarakatsanis Місяць тому +4

    I believe, even only based on personal experiences, that it rather useless to discuss about future state-related solutions. We need to start with material conditions: who is going to build infrastructure, houses, systems of governance. Then we see how it goes

    • @vleontis8940
      @vleontis8940 Місяць тому +3

      Sorry Michali, no infrastructure is going to be built unless political entities (within and without Israel) know for whom and on whose land they are building.

    • @emilianosintarias7337
      @emilianosintarias7337 Місяць тому

      i kind of disagree, i think the 2 state solution is important and that the world should recognize a Palestinian state right now

  • @mogh2603
    @mogh2603 15 днів тому

    Norman is my hero, he is a living saint , I have enormous respect and love for him

  • @syafiqsya465
    @syafiqsya465 Місяць тому +2

    Thanks prof norman

  • @spooky_mane
    @spooky_mane 28 днів тому

    Thank you for this video!

  • @irabraus9478
    @irabraus9478 29 днів тому +2

    Slavoj exposes the obscenity of the affirmative, "Absolutely!"

  • @stellamillburn6145
    @stellamillburn6145 20 днів тому

    Brilliant panel, brilliant discussion, thank you all so much

  • @user-df3sx2vl3l
    @user-df3sx2vl3l Місяць тому +4

    Penetrating insights by all concerned, Great discussion.

  • @timbarry5080
    @timbarry5080 Місяць тому +8

    "If we can all pipe down".. lol

  • @EM-od6yr
    @EM-od6yr 21 день тому

    Appreciated Colter's contributions. Was very direct about the ways in which Israel has always acted in bad faith, and in pointing out the media's role in misinforming the public and coming up with false narratives.

  • @angelfrancoise
    @angelfrancoise 3 дні тому

    Great people's you are !!!!!!!!

  • @khurramaziz2430
    @khurramaziz2430 22 дні тому +1

    Norman and Slavoj Zizek❤

  • @Xmagneto11
    @Xmagneto11 3 дні тому

    Norman is love 💌

  • @supertigik
    @supertigik 25 днів тому +1

    Ironically the way this panel was organized felt like zizek's description of his experience in Germany.
    If it wasn't zizek, the moment he said he condemns hamas' actions he would get booed.

  • @user-ix7qb4du6k
    @user-ix7qb4du6k 29 днів тому +2

    Deleuze's treatment of Nietzsche's of "resentemont' ( (French... as Nietzche intended)... in his book "Nietzsche "... Screams. Why is Zizek the only person speaking fluently at this event.... except for the Chair Lady. Hats off to Chair Lady and Zizek. Awesome. I need this. I'll pay you back latter. Great thanks, James.

    • @hughmac13
      @hughmac13 28 днів тому +1

      _Ressentiment._ French, as Nietzsche intended (to translate or not being a central question for the philologist), but arising from the lack of a suitable term in the German.

    • @DipherOneCICrew
      @DipherOneCICrew 28 днів тому

      Nietzsche had the diametrically opposite view to Rousseau regarding pity. Not sure if Nietzsche would have much value in a discussion such as this

  • @ouaeeshommous
    @ouaeeshommous 8 днів тому +1

    I have never seen Zizek that quiet.

  • @crizish
    @crizish 28 днів тому

    Great panel discussion! On a side note ….
    I was listening to this without video and could swear McFly was on the panel. There is a “Back to the Future” sentiment with this conflict.

  • @MisterTea123
    @MisterTea123 27 днів тому +3

    "The masks are slipping literally ... we are entering a new era, an extremely dangerous era ... What is happening now in Gaza is the death of Europe in the sense of, you know, you talk to a Palestinian, he will tell you: 'Yes, European human rights are bombs which are falling on us.'"
    - Slavoj Zizek

  • @Sara-xn3qj
    @Sara-xn3qj Місяць тому +5

    Why didn't you say that the reason Nicarágua didn't file a case against the USA but instead against Germany for aiding and abetting the genocide is because the USA is not signatory of the Genocide Convention. Is this not the reason ?

    • @olliefoxx7165
      @olliefoxx7165 Місяць тому +1

      That's an interesting thought however I'm not sure if the US is a signatory of the Geneva Convention. I assumed they were but I could be wrong. Regardless, I think they chose Germany bc Germany has been used so much by Israel as a result of WW2. Putting Germany in a position to defend supporting a genocidal regime was genius. Germany is certainly guilty of assisting in a genocide despite its good intentions regarding Israel. I hope this forces Germany to take a hard look at itself.

  • @ingridhildebrandt8053
    @ingridhildebrandt8053 Місяць тому +1

    The ICJ has urgently to be reformed. Please help to spread this thought.

  • @foufoumohammed1537
    @foufoumohammed1537 Місяць тому +28

    People hating on zizek in the comments, obviously he is the least engaged person in this topic in part of detailing the conflict and probably the least knowledgeable but other than that I don't see a problem with his analysis even if he personalized it a little bit

    • @Facerip
      @Facerip Місяць тому +5

      They dont understand him or dont know who he is.

    • @ukcryptolondonbased2953
      @ukcryptolondonbased2953 8 днів тому +1

      It's unfair to say people do not understand him. It's not necessary to know all his work. He often seems overly Euro-centric. I saw another video where he was asked about the Palestine issue. He spoke for 30 minutes minutes on what it means for antisemitism. It comes across as lacking compassion.
      There are many criticisms of him in communist circles for portraying fascism as a cultural problem detached from capital.

  • @pingpongo69420
    @pingpongo69420 29 днів тому

    Damn what a lineup of thinkers.
    This is gonna be a good video