As a Poor Boy back in the 50's, a single shot 22 always kept Food on the Table, you just learn to Take your Time with All Shots--we didn't know what a scope was!!!
22 mag. The most underrated cartridge of all time. Hits as hard at two hundred as a 22 lr at one hundred yds. The 2nd most underrated cartridge is in fact the 22lr. Great video.
I have shot 22 LR and 22 Mag rifles for 70 years and discussed them with dozens of hunters and shooters and have never heard even one person “ underrate”either.
22 Mag is an under rated cartridge.. when everyone was hoarding the 22Lr’s I’ve seen plenty of 22 mags on the shelves.. not a lot of ppl have firearms chambered in this caliber for some odd reason..
About 25 years ago I picked up a new (back then) Marlin bolt action tube fed .22 mag. Slapped a 3-9 scope on it, zeroed it in and shot 5 shots through one ragged hole at 100 yards. Moved out to 200 yds and shot a 5 shot group under 1". I still have it, and it still shoots the same after hundreds of rounds. Rifles come and go, but that little Marlin ain't going anywhere!!!
@@deborahchesser7375 I wouldn't want to be the test subject!!! Maybe those guys who say a .22 is too small/weak to use for self defense would step up and put their bodies where their mouths are. My guess; It would enter, then rip up soft tissue. Nothing compared to a 9mm, .38 spl or even a .380, and certainty not a one-shot stopper. However it would let the attacker know you're not going down without a fight. If recoil sensitive, I believe a .22 mag might be just the ticket (and far superior to a .22lr!).
@@deborahchesser7375 My grandfather worked as a guard at Kings ranch and dropped deer with a 22 lr . I know that is now illegal but that was a long time ago . If a regular 22 can do that the mag is more deadly .
Many moons ago, when I was knee high to a grasshopper, we used 22 LR for everything. Rabbits, quail, varmints, coyotes. Shots ranged from point blank, to 50 yds, to 150 yds. Shot placement was key to success. And we were successful. As time went by, all the magazine gurus kept saying we didn't have "enough gun". Well, successfully using the tools you have is more important than what someone else thinks. Anyway, graduation to the 22 mag showed us that it was better for our purposes, so the 22 mag became the main tool. It gave an additional 50 yds reliably. Something occasionally important. Enough stories. A couple of shots appeared to be affected by the wind. This will open up groups (of course). A couple of shots seemed to have a mind of their own, so yes, definitely, try another brand. All rifles will have a favorite brand/bullet weight. Some rifles shoot all well, but even those rifles will show a preference. So try different brands to search for that preference. A modern synthetic stocked Savage should be capable of minute of angle or better (one inch at 100 yds). Keep trying. You'll get there. The only Savage that I ever had trouble with was the double barrel 410/22 mag. Come to find out, back in the old days, those guns were bored through from a single steel blank. Can anyone say "metal stresses"?
@@davidwilson4313 On May 10th, 1953, Bella Twin a small Cree woman was hunting small game with her partner, Dave Auger, along an oil exploration cutline south of Slave Lake, in Alberta, Canada when she killed the world record grizzly bear. The bear was shot from approximately 30 feet away. The rifle used was a Cooey Ace 1 single shot .22 rimfire. The ammo used was Whiz-Bang .22 Long High Velocity, not .22 Long Rifle. The bear’s skull measured 26 5/16 inches, confirming it as the world record grizzly bear at that time. Although Bella's world record has since been broken a couple of times, first in 2009 and then again in 2013, the newest world record for the largest grizzly bear ever killed by a hunter goes to a bear taken by Larry Fitzgerald with a Sako 300 from 20 yards in Alaska. This nearly nine-foot grizzly, shot in 2013, officially holds the current title. Its skull measures 27 and 6/16 inches, making it the biggest bear ever taken down by a hunter and the second largest grizzly ever documented. However, Bella’s bear still remains the current Alberta provincial record. She was 63 years old.
I like the 22 magnum, about 40 years ago. My grandfather in law has about 2,000 acres. Outside of Bandera Texas he had a jackrabbit problem, there were eating up his crops. So at dusk. my wife drove the pickup truck and I was shooting off at the top of the cab with mounted spotlights. I shot 32 jackrabbits. It took all night, but he paid me $5 a rabbit. I thought that was pretty cool, and I was having a damn good time!
The fact you stayed so chill after losing your clip and ammo I woulda packed her all back up, ended the whole video, headed home and yelled at the neighbors kids and tried again next week.
I started shooting 22 rifles about 73 years ago. I stayed with iron sights until about 10 or 12 years ago and my eyes started to get old so I switched to scopes. I have eight scopes on my long guns oh, they're all 3 to 9 I have never felt the need to adjust the zoom zooms on any of them when I've ever been shooting. Thank you for your very entertaining blogs
22 mag or 22 wmr however you prefer has got some smack when it hits at 100yd, very versatile round light ballistic tips to 50gr hollow points. Mine will put hornady 45gr ftx into 0.6"@100, definitely a fan
I love when you do a video your very simple No expensive targets No fantasy equipment , just down to earth testing and you explain things in a way that is easy to understand I really enjoy them , P.S. when I say no expensive equipment I’m not talking about you firearms because you have a fine collection
@@thatoneguybones8036 just standard standard 1000 round pack stuff like the browning or the Winchester M22 but I have a vortex crossfire II scope on it sighted it in at 30 yards then aim on the 3rd mildot and I can hit it every time it’s really hard when it’s windy
Back in the early 70's my buddy and I made a nice chunk of change hunting hides and the 22 Mag was our go to caliber. We took yotes, cat's, fox and anything else that would bring a buck. My go to rifle was a Marlin 783 with a K-6 Weaver, made numerous head shots at 100 yards, hit them any where else and a 125 dollar Bob Cat would get docked 40-50 bucks. I've got a 17 HMR and a 17 WSM both will have to go a long way to catch up with the old Marlin.
I have the same Savage 93 and it’s shoots great. I have used Hornady, Winchester, Remington, and Federal Ammo and pretty much the same results all good. But keep up the good work enjoy your channel.
In Aus I used a 22 mag as my fox rifle for years, (back when there was a skin trade), had no problems with head shots out to 200 consistently! I was surprised at this group at 100, woeful I’d say, musta been doing a lot of things wrong or in middle of cyclone! My rifles nothing flash; 80’s era micro groove marlin bolt action with 6x40 Leopold, Winchester hp ammo! Cmon man! 😅 shot better groups than that at 100yds with me 22lr pistol!! No offense but that’s not a true reflection of 22mag’s capabilities!! 💥
I owned a Marlin 22 mag micro groove like brand new and swapped the darn thing. I wish I had it today but I swapped it for a Glock 45 cal I didn't even test fire it and swapped it for a Ruger Mini 14 so I figured I swapped my Marlin 22 mag for the Ruger Mini 14 so I guess I did ok. I have a nice Ruger M77 Skeleton stock stainless steel 22 mag I love. Also a Henry 22 mag lever action and a Henry pump action 22 mag so I'm still fixed up on 22 mags. Great cartridge and will drop anything in my territory. We only have small game, coyotes, white tail and feral hogs and with shot placement it will handle any of them.
I too like the micro Grove but you need to weaken the trigger spring for it too shine. But I also have a Winchester and Glenfield made by Winchester lever actions in 22 mag.
Way I was shown to sight in my rifle if I had a good rest like you've got, is to take 2 shots, adjust my rest until the crosshairs are on where I just hit, then crank the turrets until the crosshairs are back on the bullseye. Save a ton of ammo that way. No telling you what to do just something to for you to try out if you wanted to. As always, thank you for the content.
You got that backwards. First two on bullseye, then lock your rifle down again on bullseye, then adjust your cross hair to the 2 bullet holes. It's that simple. Nice to have a second person to turn the cross hairs while you look thru the scope. Just sayin after 70 yrs. of shooting.
@@thomashoward9806 fair enough, but that's the way I was shown and it works well for me. Much more accurate than counting clicks or just blindly turning the turrets. It's saved me a lot of ammo when I'm zeroing in a new optic.
@@paulschliemann7616 yes sir. Like I told the other guy, that's how i was taught to do it and it works for me. Some people think if you do something a little different from them then it's completely wrong.
Before I watch the video, the answer is: hell yeah, all I shoot is .22 wmr and hell yeah it kills a whole bunch of animals from small to large (strategically placed).
I have my dads old Marlin 25MN 22mag. Ordered extra mags for it. Learned to shoot on a Marlin model 60 and a glenfield. All iron sights at 100yds with a 22 long. Got the 22 mag and shot prairie dogs at 150 yards. plenty of this caliber at home with extra mags.
My 22mag experience has always been very close group’s I’ve taken turkey at 100 yards many times over the years . All shot in the head two even at 75 to 85 yards with open sights one with peep. Have out shot 223s at 100 yards five shots slightly over one hole. So the 22 mag is deadly at 100 yards and a bit farther.
I have a mossberg model 640T with a vortex diamondback 3-9x40 and it is a nail driver @75. Absolutely love the 22 mag for the availability of ammo and the extra power it has over the 22lr for hunting.
Hey I recommend buying a smith and Wesson 15-22 sport. It is chambered in 22lr and it’s awesome it’s like $350 and it comes with a 25 round mag. It works well with federal champions and it’s super acurate and real fun to shoot, I will be very happy if you get it and if you do you won’t be disappointed.
.22 mag is my favorite round. Best all year all around hunting round in my opinion. Will take any game deer/hog and smaller. Hits hard, shoots straight, with nearly no recoil. Out of a rifle, it's great. Comparable to a 9mm pistol.
I have the heritage rough rider 4.75” barrel and the 22WMR cylinder. It’s great for pests/predators around the woods. Love the maxi-mags. Also the CCi shotshells in 22WMR are great for Joro spiders, Google those if you don’t know. Crazy invasive in GA where I live
Just a helpful tip, when shooting from a rest, try not to rest the barrel on directly one the rest. Won't make a lot of change at short distance, but as you get to further distances, it can have an effect(especially with free floating barrels).
Always enjoy your videos! Hope that you find that magazine before it rains! My experience with scopes is limited, I've only been using them for 50 years and the one brand that I have used in that time has been Leupold. Not a single failure of any kind and I could not begin to recall the number of small and medium game that I have taken using them, or the number of big game. If you are looking for quality American made rifle scopes that will not let you down with a life-time of hard use, I would give Leupold my money and not look back! I enjoy a good .22 mag. rifle, but to me, its the man behind the rifle that counts. Keep making these great videos and GOD Bless my friend!
Great video man loved every second of it. Just a word of advice try to keep the barrel of the gun off the rest and use the stock instead. Having the barrel on the rest can mess with the harmonics and throw your accuracy a lil out of wack
I once read that the .22 magnum is more accurate in rifles than in revolvers. All I only know is that an Astra revolver that I used was highly accurate out to 30 yards.
I shoot a lot of .22 mag from my smith model 48. I have cronoed alot of ammo in it. Out of its 6 inch barrel, I get 200ft/lbs of energy with aguila. That's about 50ft/lbs more than a .22lr rifle. It's my favorite caliber and it's easy to find.
My 40yrs old Anschütz 1516 loves the Hornady V-max 30grs. Although less weight best precision at 100m (of course no wind!). Just love your 'dramatic report' in some videos, good job man! Greetings from Germany!
Built my own 22 mag bolt action rifle, reciever made from scrap carbon steel tubes, barrel is a chromoly steel with 1:16 twist rate, 16 inches.. got good groups up to 100 yards especially the CCI ammo... Love the 22 mag and it has become my favorite hunting buddy since then, never stopped bringing wild boars and wild chickens to table. Shot a deer once too, low neck shot and it didn't had a chance to stand again..
I bought 2 HK 300 ... 22 MAG with 20 round clips... one 300 is a genuine HK... the other was a u.s repeating arms 300 with patent rights from HK... I did an accuracy test on both rifles and quality build... I sold the u.s repeating arms due to lack of build quality and inaccuracies... the genuine HK was built better and far superior in accuracy... the genuine HK can hit a quarter( coin)at 100yrds .. I still have the quarter today with a bullet hole in it,,, the genuine HK has a floating super match barrel ... the original HK's are very hard to come by... I also have a Belgium browning lever action 22 mag saddle carbine.. EXTREMELY ACCURATE at 75 yards or less... due to its short barrel... great rifles!!! I started the HK collection in the late 70s into the 80s... HK ALL DAY! your video brings back the memories!!
I got a Marlin model 25 in 22 mag I know what it will do to knock out slugs from a electrical panel ! No tellin what Hootie’s gonna do !! Bring it on ! I got faith in ya
I also have a Marlin model 25 in 22 mag and I love it! In a survival situation this would be my rifle of choice. Even with no scope these guns are deadly accurate at 100 yards.
Wind may have been affecting the performance a bit. The difference between the .17 & the .22 mag is that the mag left bullets out there, the .17 left metal shavings
I was taught to shoot several times through the cold barrel to see if the groups were tight once it was warm. Then we adjusted from the group one time, shot another group to see what we might need to adjust. For the shooter here, it's clearly a bit of a windy day at the target, so the shot placements might be affected by that and once he starts adjusting every shot, it's tough to be sure of why the holes are moving.
You need to put a leupold on that thing! I got a new England single shot 22 mag and have a leupold rifleman 3x9x40 on it and it drives tracks at 100 yards!
Have 2 Marlin 22 magnums put in dime at 100yds. 100yd velocity same as 22lr at muzzle. Max point blank range 150yds kills better and handles wind better than .17hmr and just as accurate. Grandfather Raymond used to kill cattle for butchering with old Winchester Pump 1901 mfg with 22 shorts this can do at 100+yds same velocity accurate to pick the eye or freckle. Use to shoot Pennys for necklace holes duck taped to target like asprin shoot or generic oreos at 200yds. At 75yds the magnum shot hole in trash can placed pencil in hole then shot pencil eraser end pushed through trash can only 1 hole. B4 heart attack eyes nerves used to work good.
Proud to have purchased my dad's lever action Winchester 22 magnum from my mom after dad passed away. It was given to dad when my brother-in-law passed away at the young age of 56. My sister did not hunt/shoot. I remember when dad ,who was diabled, would sit on the front porch of the farmhouse and shoot muskrats on the bass pond, a good 100 yard shot. My very young nephew would go and retrieve them with a garden rake. Dad always had a big smile on his face when my nephew returned with one. It is my favorite gun and I have many.
Absolutely my favorite rimfire cal. Have 7 bullet slingers in .22mag, favorite is my heavy barrel stainless marlin bolt 97 (I think). If you wanna try a .22 mag firebreather, test a pmr30 keltec! Love my mags!
Why would this even be a question? I've grown up around the .22 Magnum. I'm a handicapped 50 year old and I know it can be done. Took deer and every other smaller critter ever made with it. CCI MAXI MAG +V ammo is the ammo we used.
Try it again . Better scope Different ammunitions Better seat Don't forget the mag . Mark targets with "known" increments (1") so you can adjust proper amount of clickies . 1/4" at 100 , 1/2" at 100 . You are better than this . Give us 22WMR officianados the respect we deserve .
Used a .22 cal. mag fired out of a Taurus Tracker with a 6" inch barrel to take out a varmint at 125 yards. Open sights using a little Kentucky windage at the top of his back. Did not think I would hit him but was surprised when it knocked him to the ground! Deadly round ! Your video using a long barrel just proves my point! PO
Hey I always watch your videos. I've heard sometimes with scopes (especially the cheaper ones) when you adjust the zero it can stay "stuck" or not move. If you lightly tap them it helps move the inner tube that has the reticle. Also, I like to only adjust up/down or left/right, supposedly it's easier on the inner tube. Just my two cents, big fan and always watch your videos. 👍👍👍🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
I’m the summer of 1992, I lived on a farm & killed 82 woodchucks with a Winchester 22 mag lever. Took shots out to 150. It’s very worthy 150 yard chuck rifle.
It would be awesome to see you do a ballistic gel test at 25, 50, 75, and 100 yards with the .22 mag!! I'm very interested in seeing the penetration that it has past 50 yards!
A tip that I do. To help scope cross-hairs to seat after adjusting dials is to lightly tap the blank side of the dial body of scope with my knuckles. I have seen people chase a scope around a target or say you need to fire a few rounds to get it to seat or blame the scope or even the gun
My savage 93 loves cci hollow points and Winchester super x soft hollow points. I often get 2cm groups at 100m (I'm a kiwi we use metric lol) I've got the stainless barrel but I can't imagine that making much difference
I have twin Rugers. One 77/17 the other 77/22 magnum. The 17 is a tiny bit more accurate, but the 22 magnum has more stopping power. I've had ground hogs get away with the 17 but not the 22 magnum
Hope you find your mag. My daughter lost 1 in the field while bouncing round on the back of the bike. Found it the next day. Being stainless it stood out amongst the grass in the light
Been shooting one since 1974, killed my first deer that year, I have many, the CZ synthetic shoots as good as any of the ones I have, I like the game points out of it
22 mag is great for shooting ground squirels. You can shoot more than 100 yards easily. I use a Ruger 10-22. My favorite rifle is a Remington 788 in 223 though.
22 mag is one of the most underrated and basically unknown. Ive been using it for EVERYTHING since the 1970s. I have a Cz 455 varmint heavy barrel, 14 x scope. You can shoot pop cans ALL DAY @ 250 yards. 100 yards is bullets in the same hole all day. 22 mag is an awesome cartige in a good rifle. Its inherently accurate.
Hell yeah, I know for a fact it'll kill a nice sized dough at 100yds and my favorite, bores they'll run for about 20 to 30yrds but they'll just throw they're legs up and do the chicken dance as they succumb to their death.
Had a Colt Trooper MKIII 8" barrel chambered in .22 mag, nickel finish I bought new and then sold it at a gun show. Kicking myself in the arsch ever since.
It might be the barrel warming up as you shoot, changing the impact point. I use a digital thermometer to load a round at the same temperature and time my shots to offset temperature related issues. Let the barrel cool down between shots to simulate a cold barrel.
I have a 1972 issue model 783 that eats cci 40 gr TMJ all day. I have shot whitetail at 720 yds with 30/06 165 GR Hornady. And same with 300 win mag. But the best shot I ever made was with a .22wmr head shot broadside running at 60 yds. Never had I imagined that. I thought of tigers/ rhino, lion with heavy calibers. Hey I was only 19. But I carried that 22 mag every day almost for years. Never thought I would make my best instinctive shot with it. I had a big imagination and dreamed of dangerous game closing in on me. This was a 150 lb hog running across RR track. Uneven ground and I didn't have my brother in law who was usually with me. He would have rejoiced at the shot like I did. Sorry to not have him with me then. You can plan / plan / plan but surprises happen.
@@morrisw7227 I am military trained. I know the right way to do things, obviously you know nothing. I was trained at Ft. Bragg, where were you big mouth?
The table you're using is there a hole in the center of it my dad used to be a lineman and would bring those home all the time for tables and if I remember right there's a big hole in the center check that for your magazine
Bought a model 93 stainless heavy barrel at a pawn shop for groundhog control. It loves 30 grn vmax and has thinned out multiple garden eating groundhogs at 125 yards. Plus much quieter than my 223 I was using prior. Thanks for sharing!
Crazy - I dropped the mag outta my Ruger American 22 mag tonite leaving the woods - so glad I heard it hit the ground, retrieved it and am working on how not to do that again .... Peace ✌️ and GOD bless
I’d like to see more 22WMR videos & if you can find some try Hornady 30 grain V-Max bullets. My rifle really likes those bullets even when shooting 75 yards or more.
22 Winchester Magnum Rimfire is definitely a favorite of mine. Personally I wouldn't ever bother having a 17 Hornady Magnum Rimfire with less kinetic energy. 22wmr: 300ft lb average 30 gr. (1.9 g) HP2,300 ft/s (700 m/s)322 ft⋅lbf (437 J)40 gr. (2.6 g) JHP1,875 ft/s (572 m/s)324 ft⋅lbf (439 J)50 gr. (3.2 g) JHP1,530 ft/s (470 m/s)300 ft⋅lbf (410 J. 17hmr: 245ft lb 17 gr. (1.1 g)2,650 ft/s (810 m/s)245 ft⋅lbf (332 J)20 gr. (1.3 g)2,350 ft/s (720 m/s)250 ft⋅lbf (340 J).
I have shot deer further than 100 yards with A Magnum. I am form the red lake reservation and used fish and hunt for a living. I would use the 30.06 for long shots and the 22 mag for 200 or less. It doesn't hurt the meat
@@bobanderson6656 My grand dad did about 40 years ago and he did it to put food on the table and it was divided to 3 family's . Subsidence hunting . Not many laws at that time .
As a Poor Boy back in the 50's, a single shot 22 always kept Food on the Table, you just learn to Take your Time with All Shots--we didn't know what a scope was!!!
Make it count! Hopefully you're doing well.
May I ask how old you are?
.22LR will kill rabbits at 50 metres, why wouldn't .22mag have the goods at 90 metres?
@@aaronleverton4221 it definitely will I've killed groundhogs at 100 yards..
22 magnum for hogs??
22 mag. The most underrated cartridge of all time. Hits as hard at two hundred as a 22 lr at one hundred yds. The 2nd most underrated cartridge is in fact the 22lr. Great video.
I have shot 22 LR and 22 Mag rifles for 70 years and discussed them with dozens of hunters and shooters and have never heard even one person “ underrate”either.
@@jimtruscott5670 YOU must live a sheltered life. I have no idea why you wrote such a comment.
@@joeescobar900 Of course you don’t know why I wrote the comment. It requires an IQ of at least 75.
@jimtruscott5670 MY IQ is at least your age. check with your doctor. Then go bother someone else imbacil.
22 Mag is an under rated cartridge.. when everyone was hoarding the 22Lr’s I’ve seen plenty of 22 mags on the shelves.. not a lot of ppl have firearms chambered in this caliber for some odd reason..
Do a video using a 204 Ruger vs 222 savage
I'm with you. Great for hunting coyote too.
I have two 22 mag rifles one is stainless a marlin
@@gradyhernandez4699 Mine is the JC Higgins (M57 Marlin) lever action.
I have a CZ 512, I love it ! Every hunting season it comes out with me.
About 25 years ago I picked up a new (back then) Marlin bolt action tube fed .22 mag. Slapped a 3-9 scope on it, zeroed it in and shot 5 shots through one ragged hole at 100 yards. Moved out to 200 yds and shot a 5 shot group under 1". I still have it, and it still shoots the same after hundreds of rounds. Rifles come and go, but that little Marlin ain't going anywhere!!!
I have a marlin bolt action tube fed 22 mag as well.. love it.. hits everything i aim at. have taken some good meat home with it..
I wonder what a 22 mag would do to a man ? All the tests I’ve seen shows that round do some very impressive damage.
@@deborahchesser7375 I wouldn't want to be the test subject!!! Maybe those guys who say a .22 is too small/weak to use for self defense would step up and put their bodies where their mouths are.
My guess; It would enter, then rip up soft tissue. Nothing compared to a 9mm, .38 spl or even a .380, and certainty not a one-shot stopper. However it would let the attacker know you're not going down without a fight. If recoil sensitive, I believe a .22 mag might be just the ticket (and far superior to a .22lr!).
@@deborahchesser7375 My grandfather worked as a guard at Kings ranch and dropped deer with a 22 lr . I know that is now illegal but that was a long time ago . If a regular 22 can do that the mag is more deadly .
@@jonsheets966 what ammo were you using for those groups?
Many moons ago, when I was knee high to a grasshopper, we used 22 LR for everything. Rabbits, quail, varmints, coyotes. Shots ranged from point blank, to 50 yds, to 150 yds. Shot placement was key to success. And we were successful. As time went by, all the magazine gurus kept saying we didn't have "enough gun".
Well, successfully using the tools you have is more important than what someone else thinks.
Anyway, graduation to the 22 mag showed us that it was better for our purposes, so the 22 mag became the main tool. It gave an additional 50 yds reliably. Something occasionally important.
Enough stories. A couple of shots appeared to be affected by the wind. This will open up groups (of course). A couple of shots seemed to have a mind of their own, so yes, definitely, try another brand. All rifles will have a favorite brand/bullet weight. Some rifles shoot all well, but even those rifles will show a preference. So try different brands to search for that preference.
A modern synthetic stocked Savage should be capable of minute of angle or better (one inch at 100 yds). Keep trying. You'll get there.
The only Savage that I ever had trouble with was the double barrel 410/22 mag. Come to find out, back in the old days, those guns were bored through from a single steel blank. Can anyone say "metal stresses"?
I like 22 magnums
A friend said they used to kill elk with .22lr. Apparently you hide in a haystack and stick the barrel in its ear.
@@davidwilson4313 On May 10th, 1953, Bella Twin a small Cree woman was hunting small game with her partner, Dave Auger, along an oil exploration cutline south of Slave Lake, in Alberta, Canada when she killed the world record grizzly bear. The bear was shot from approximately 30 feet away. The rifle used was a Cooey Ace 1 single shot .22 rimfire. The ammo used was Whiz-Bang .22 Long High Velocity, not .22 Long Rifle. The bear’s skull measured 26 5/16 inches, confirming it as the world record grizzly bear at that time. Although Bella's world record has since been broken a couple of times, first in 2009 and then again in 2013, the newest world record for the largest grizzly bear ever killed by a hunter goes to a bear taken by Larry Fitzgerald with a Sako 300 from 20 yards in Alaska. This nearly nine-foot grizzly, shot in 2013, officially holds the current title. Its skull measures 27 and 6/16 inches, making it the biggest bear ever taken down by a hunter and the second largest grizzly ever documented. However, Bella’s bear still remains the current Alberta provincial record. She was 63 years old.
I like the 22 magnum, about 40 years ago. My grandfather in law has about 2,000 acres. Outside of Bandera Texas he had a jackrabbit problem, there were eating up his crops. So at dusk. my wife drove the pickup truck and I was shooting off at the top of the cab with mounted spotlights. I shot 32 jackrabbits. It took all night, but he paid me $5 a rabbit. I thought that was pretty cool, and I was having a damn good time!
He scammed you. Should pay more. How much damage each jackrabbit do?
He scammed you. Should pay more. How much damage each jackrabbit do?
The fact you stayed so chill after losing your clip and ammo I woulda packed her all back up, ended the whole video, headed home and yelled at the neighbors kids and tried again next week.
It's not a clip, its a magazine.
@ChefDuane your right ✅️ I apologize for the lazy inaccurate lingo but regardless I'd be frazzled if I lost my new Magizine
@@ChefDuanefeel better mr know it all?
@@LRO1986 Yes, much. Thanks for asking.
I started shooting 22 rifles about 73 years ago. I stayed with iron sights until about 10 or 12 years ago and my eyes started to get old so I switched to scopes. I have eight scopes on my long guns oh, they're all 3 to 9 I have never felt the need to adjust the zoom zooms on any of them when I've ever been shooting. Thank you for your very entertaining blogs
22 mag or 22 wmr however you prefer has got some smack when it hits at 100yd, very versatile round light ballistic tips to 50gr hollow points. Mine will put hornady 45gr ftx into 0.6"@100, definitely a fan
I like the 22 mag .so do my grandkids !!
I’m a big fan of a 22 magnum! I have had one for40+ years! A bolt action marlin very accurate!
I love when you do a video your very simple No expensive targets No fantasy equipment , just down to earth testing and you explain things in a way that is easy to understand I really enjoy them , P.S. when I say no expensive equipment I’m not talking about you firearms because you have a fine collection
Appreciate you watching
Love the way you don't edit out your mistakes. Keep up the good work and "Keep the faith"
Appreciate you watching
Enjoy your Honesty
I like to shoot 3 rounds before making any adjustment.
I'm a 22mag fan and would like to see more vids with it. Both pistol and rifle.
Is it still a 22 Mag if you lose the Mag?
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Several of mine don't use magazines, so ....
Hahahahahahahaha
Well, the caliber doesn't change, so it might be called a "Mag-less Magnum."
A 22 mag without the mag is just a 22.
I’d hope 22 mag would be good at 100 yards I can still hit a 8 inch steel gong at 250 with a 22lr
That's some good marksmanship.
I believe "point blank" range for the 22mag is 125yards (from a handgun).
I can't find the video on your channel. It says this channel has no content? 250 with a .22lr is impressive. Cool story.
Damn you're so cool
@@thatoneguybones8036 just standard standard 1000 round pack stuff like the browning or the Winchester M22 but I have a vortex crossfire II scope on it sighted it in at 30 yards then aim on the 3rd mildot and I can hit it every time it’s really hard when it’s windy
Back in the early 70's my buddy and I made a nice chunk of change hunting hides and the 22 Mag was our go to caliber. We took yotes, cat's, fox and anything else that would bring a buck. My go to rifle was a Marlin 783 with a K-6 Weaver, made numerous head shots at 100 yards, hit them any where else and a 125 dollar Bob Cat would get docked 40-50 bucks. I've got a 17 HMR and a 17 WSM both will have to go a long way to catch up with the old Marlin.
Having your gun barrel on the rest not on the stock will effect accuracy.
I thought I was crazy, but his barrel is on the rest, right?
I thought I was crazy, but his barrel is on the rest, right?
@@brockwagner939 nah i dont think it is
Especially if you have a bedded barrel!
its not on the barrel
Yes it is if you can shoot. I’ve taken quite a few animals at 100+ yards with my 22 magnums. Bad ass little round! 🤘
Absolutely! I regularly shoot 1 inch groups with my marlin XT22m at 100 yards.
will it take a coyote at 100 yds?
@@artbell1 absolutely
It will drop a deer in its tracks at 100yards. Seen it done multiple times.
@@mlnhdjr cool! Head shot I presume?
This is one of my favorite ones to plink around with. Thanks for all ya do Who Tee Who a modern day gun slinger. 👍🇺🇸
Hey Joel
I have the same Savage 93 and it’s shoots great. I have used Hornady, Winchester, Remington, and Federal Ammo and pretty much the same results all good. But keep up the good work enjoy your channel.
Yes
In Aus I used a 22 mag as my fox rifle for years, (back when there was a skin trade), had no problems with head shots out to 200 consistently! I was surprised at this group at 100, woeful I’d say, musta been doing a lot of things wrong or in middle of cyclone! My rifles nothing flash; 80’s era micro groove marlin bolt action with 6x40 Leopold, Winchester hp ammo! Cmon man! 😅 shot better groups than that at 100yds with me 22lr pistol!! No offense but that’s not a true reflection of 22mag’s capabilities!! 💥
I owned a Marlin 22 mag micro groove like brand new and swapped the darn thing. I wish I had it today but I swapped it for a Glock 45 cal I didn't even test fire it and swapped it for a Ruger Mini 14 so I figured I swapped my Marlin 22 mag for the Ruger Mini 14 so I guess I did ok. I have a nice Ruger M77 Skeleton stock stainless steel 22 mag I love. Also a Henry 22 mag lever action and a Henry pump action 22 mag so I'm still fixed up on 22 mags. Great cartridge and will drop anything in my territory. We only have small game, coyotes, white tail and feral hogs and with shot placement it will handle any of them.
I too like the micro Grove but you need to weaken the trigger spring for it too shine. But I also have a Winchester and Glenfield made by Winchester lever actions in 22 mag.
I don't know about a cyclone but if you look at the plates the wind was factor. Need a wind ribbon to help compensate or maybe choose a windless day
Way I was shown to sight in my rifle if I had a good rest like you've got, is to take 2 shots, adjust my rest until the crosshairs are on where I just hit, then crank the turrets until the crosshairs are back on the bullseye. Save a ton of ammo that way. No telling you what to do just something to for you to try out if you wanted to. As always, thank you for the content.
You got that backwards. First two on bullseye, then lock your rifle down again on bullseye, then adjust your cross hair to the 2 bullet holes. It's that simple. Nice to have a second person to turn the cross hairs while you look thru the scope. Just sayin after 70 yrs. of shooting.
@@thomashoward9806 fair enough, but that's the way I was shown and it works well for me. Much more accurate than counting clicks or just blindly turning the turrets. It's saved me a lot of ammo when I'm zeroing in a new optic.
@@thomashoward9806 100%
@@dangle0921 Either way will work. Main thing is gun is stable and doesn't move when adjusting your scope.
@@paulschliemann7616 yes sir. Like I told the other guy, that's how i was taught to do it and it works for me. Some people think if you do something a little different from them then it's completely wrong.
Before I watch the video, the answer is: hell yeah, all I shoot is .22 wmr and hell yeah it kills a whole bunch of animals from small to large (strategically placed).
I got a .17 hmr. Absolutely love it, flips gophers about 6 foot in the air. Goal by the end of the year is to own a 22 mag and 17wsm rifle
I have my dads old Marlin 25MN 22mag. Ordered extra mags for it. Learned to shoot on a Marlin model 60 and a glenfield. All iron sights at 100yds with a 22 long. Got the 22 mag and shot prairie dogs at 150 yards. plenty of this caliber at home with extra mags.
I picked up a savage model 93 with a 3-9-40 yesterday, looks brand new! When I read the barrel WHO-TEE-WHO was the first thing I thought of.👍
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My 22mag experience has always been very close group’s I’ve taken turkey at 100 yards many times over the years . All shot in the head two even at 75 to 85 yards with open sights one with peep. Have out shot 223s at 100 yards five shots slightly over one hole. So the 22 mag is deadly at 100 yards and a bit farther.
I have a mossberg model 640T with a vortex diamondback 3-9x40 and it is a nail driver @75. Absolutely love the 22 mag for the availability of ammo and the extra power it has over the 22lr for hunting.
Hey I recommend buying a smith and Wesson 15-22 sport. It is chambered in 22lr and it’s awesome it’s like $350 and it comes with a 25 round mag. It works well with federal champions and it’s super acurate and real fun to shoot, I will be very happy if you get it and if you do you won’t be disappointed.
They are good but in the UK they are $1,000.00 to $1,200.00 to buy ! :(
@@NoTimeForThatNow they are well it’s good we got 2 on discount for $300 each
.22 mag is my favorite round. Best all year all around hunting round in my opinion. Will take any game deer/hog and smaller. Hits hard, shoots straight, with nearly no recoil. Out of a rifle, it's great. Comparable to a 9mm pistol.
I ALSO like the ..222 Rem.
Always been a fan of the cci maxi mags. They work great in my single six.
I like the Winchester .22 Magnum 40 grain ammo, because it has a good velocity of 1900 feet per second (fps) in a barrel over 18" inches long.
@@unitedstatesirie7431 nice
I have the heritage rough rider 4.75” barrel and the 22WMR cylinder. It’s great for pests/predators around the woods. Love the maxi-mags. Also the CCi shotshells in 22WMR are great for Joro spiders, Google those if you don’t know. Crazy invasive in GA where I live
@@colemanbonner if u have a problem with carpenter bee's ... u will have a blast shooting at them with the shot shells..
If you had the forend in the V instead of the barrel it would shoot better!
22 mag versus 17 HMR penetration test 100 yards paper plates or ballistic gel
100 this!
would be interisting to watch
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Yes!!
That would be cool to see speed vs weight.
I love me some 22 mag. That was some good grouping at 100 yards with the wind blowing!
I love it too
Just a helpful tip, when shooting from a rest, try not to rest the barrel on directly one the rest. Won't make a lot of change at short distance, but as you get to further distances, it can have an effect(especially with free floating barrels).
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Always enjoy your videos! Hope that you find that magazine before it rains! My experience with scopes is limited, I've only been using them for 50 years and the one brand that I have used in that time has been Leupold. Not a single failure of any kind and I could not begin to recall the number of small and medium game that I have taken using them, or the number of big game. If you are looking for quality American made rifle scopes that will not let you down with a life-time of hard use, I would give Leupold my money and not look back!
I enjoy a good .22 mag. rifle, but to me, its the man behind the rifle that counts. Keep making these great videos and GOD Bless my friend!
Agreed
Great video man loved every second of it. Just a word of advice try to keep the barrel of the gun off the rest and use the stock instead. Having the barrel on the rest can mess with the harmonics and throw your accuracy a lil out of wack
I once read that the .22 magnum is more accurate in rifles than in revolvers. All I only know is that an Astra revolver that I used was highly accurate out to 30 yards.
I shoot a lot of .22 mag from my smith model 48. I have cronoed alot of ammo in it. Out of its 6 inch barrel, I get 200ft/lbs of energy with aguila. That's about 50ft/lbs more than a .22lr rifle. It's my favorite caliber and it's easy to find.
My 40yrs old Anschütz 1516 loves the Hornady V-max 30grs. Although less weight best precision at 100m (of course no wind!). Just love your 'dramatic report' in some videos, good job man! Greetings from Germany!
Built my own 22 mag bolt action rifle, reciever made from scrap carbon steel tubes, barrel is a chromoly steel with 1:16 twist rate, 16 inches.. got good groups up to 100 yards especially the CCI ammo... Love the 22 mag and it has become my favorite hunting buddy since then, never stopped bringing wild boars and wild chickens to table. Shot a deer once too, low neck shot and it didn't had a chance to stand again..
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The mag was in it when you're up in the booth, so it shouldn't be too hard to find. I would check by the stool that you are trying to set on.
I bought 2 HK 300 ... 22 MAG with 20 round clips... one 300 is a genuine HK... the other was a u.s repeating arms 300 with patent rights from HK... I did an accuracy test on both rifles and quality build... I sold the u.s repeating arms due to lack of build quality and inaccuracies... the genuine HK was built better and far superior in accuracy... the genuine HK can hit a quarter( coin)at 100yrds .. I still have the quarter today with a bullet hole in it,,, the genuine HK has a floating super match barrel ... the original HK's are very hard to come by... I also have a Belgium browning lever action 22 mag saddle carbine.. EXTREMELY ACCURATE at 75 yards or less... due to its short barrel... great rifles!!! I started the HK collection in the late 70s into the 80s... HK ALL DAY! your video brings back the memories!!
I got a Marlin model 25 in 22 mag I know what it will do to knock out slugs from a electrical panel ! No tellin what Hootie’s gonna do !! Bring it on ! I got faith in ya
I also have a Marlin model 25 in 22 mag and I love it! In a survival situation this would be my rifle of choice. Even with no scope these guns are deadly accurate at 100 yards.
Wind may have been affecting the performance a bit. The difference between the .17 & the .22 mag is that the mag left bullets out there, the .17 left metal shavings
Love shooting 22 Mag out of my Ruger Precision and Henry GB! Can't wait for your results.
I recently got .22 mag gb havent got to shoot it yet thou how do you like it ?
@@ctc2469 A lever action is fun. You try to see how fast you can rack and shoot. Very accurate too.
I was taught to shoot several times through the cold barrel to see if the groups were tight once it was warm. Then we adjusted from the group one time, shot another group to see what we might need to adjust. For the shooter here, it's clearly a bit of a windy day at the target, so the shot placements might be affected by that and once he starts adjusting every shot, it's tough to be sure of why the holes are moving.
You need to put a leupold on that thing! I got a new England single shot 22 mag and have a leupold rifleman 3x9x40 on it and it drives tracks at 100 yards!
Have 2 Marlin 22 magnums put in dime at 100yds. 100yd velocity same as 22lr at muzzle. Max point blank range 150yds kills better and handles wind better than .17hmr and just as accurate. Grandfather Raymond used to kill cattle for butchering with old Winchester Pump 1901 mfg with 22 shorts this can do at 100+yds same velocity accurate to pick the eye or freckle. Use to shoot Pennys for necklace holes duck taped to target like asprin shoot or generic oreos at 200yds. At 75yds the magnum shot hole in trash can placed pencil in hole then shot pencil eraser end pushed through trash can only 1 hole. B4 heart attack eyes nerves used to work good.
My kind of adjustments. Seams about right! Yep.
Proud to have purchased my dad's lever action Winchester 22 magnum from my mom after dad passed away. It was given to dad when my brother-in-law passed away at the young age of 56. My sister did not hunt/shoot. I remember when dad ,who was diabled, would sit on the front porch of the farmhouse and shoot muskrats on the bass pond, a good 100 yard shot. My very young nephew would go and retrieve them with a garden rake. Dad always had a big smile on his face when my nephew returned with one. It is my favorite gun and I have many.
Absolutely my favorite rimfire cal. Have 7 bullet slingers in .22mag, favorite is my heavy barrel stainless marlin bolt 97 (I think). If you wanna try a .22 mag firebreather, test a pmr30 keltec! Love my mags!
I had a marlin 882ssv, it was great fun. Traded it in when I got a cz 527
Why would this even be a question? I've grown up around the .22 Magnum. I'm a handicapped 50 year old and I know it can be done. Took deer and every other smaller critter ever made with it. CCI MAXI MAG +V ammo is the ammo we used.
The Savage model 64 'Chuckster' 22mag is a tack-driver
Try it again .
Better scope
Different ammunitions
Better seat
Don't forget the mag .
Mark targets with "known" increments (1") so you can adjust proper amount of clickies . 1/4" at 100 , 1/2" at 100 .
You are better than this . Give us 22WMR officianados the respect we deserve .
You always have the most random issues lol makes the videos that much better
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@@WHOTEEWHO OK Solve the Missing Mag Mystery WTH... Where was it?
@@WHOTEEWHO my Winchester XTR .22 Magnum lever action gets about a 2" inch group at 100 yards with Winchester 40 grain ammunition.
Used a .22 cal. mag fired out of a Taurus Tracker with a 6" inch barrel to take out a varmint at 125 yards. Open sights using a little Kentucky windage at the top of his back. Did not think I would hit him but was surprised when it knocked him to the ground! Deadly round ! Your video using a long barrel just proves my point! PO
Hey I always watch your videos. I've heard sometimes with scopes (especially the cheaper ones) when you adjust the zero it can stay "stuck" or not move. If you lightly tap them it helps move the inner tube that has the reticle. Also, I like to only adjust up/down or left/right, supposedly it's easier on the inner tube. Just my two cents, big fan and always watch your videos. 👍👍👍🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
Cheep scope may take 2 shots to jar it to the new adjustment.
Buddy. My day starts just like yours. Pissed myself laughing.
My marlen loved Winchester Dyna point semi- jacket hollowpoint. Iaveraged 4 out of 5 in a dime at 100 yrds
Mossberg has a bolt action, 640 k d chuckster.
22 single shot was what I learned on. Great video - thanks. I like and enjoy 22 videos.
Sweet! now move up the range to 22 Hornet. Then keep going through the whole 22 range. Should be a fun video, each time!
I’m the summer of 1992, I lived on a farm & killed 82 woodchucks with a Winchester 22 mag lever. Took shots out to 150. It’s very worthy 150 yard chuck rifle.
It would be awesome to see you do a ballistic gel test at 25, 50, 75, and 100 yards with the .22 mag!! I'm very interested in seeing the penetration that it has past 50 yards!
Good idea
@@WHOTEEWHO thank you! I really appreciate all of your uploads, you are awesome!
Yes and don’t use hollow points
A tip that I do. To help scope cross-hairs to seat after adjusting dials is to lightly tap the blank side of the dial body of scope with my knuckles. I have seen people chase a scope around a target or say you need to fire a few rounds to get it to seat or blame the scope or even the gun
My savage 93 loves cci hollow points and Winchester super x soft hollow points. I often get 2cm groups at 100m (I'm a kiwi we use metric lol) I've got the stainless barrel but I can't imagine that making much difference
I'd like to see .22 magnum hitting clay blocks at that distance, and I'm guessing other viewers would too.
I have twin Rugers. One 77/17 the other 77/22 magnum. The 17 is a tiny bit more accurate, but the 22 magnum has more stopping power. I've had ground hogs get away with the 17 but not the 22 magnum
Jeff Scuderi well not really. Impressive groups at a 100 yes. Putting down a critter at the same distance not so much
Hope you find your mag. My daughter lost 1 in the field while bouncing round on the back of the bike. Found it the next day. Being stainless it stood out amongst the grass in the light
Been shooting one since 1974, killed my first deer that year, I have many, the CZ synthetic shoots as good as any of the ones I have, I like the game points out of it
I'm looking forward to this.
22 mag is great for shooting ground squirels. You can shoot more than 100 yards easily. I use a Ruger 10-22. My favorite rifle is a Remington 788 in 223 though.
Love the .22 mag. Great little round. I agree that you should try different brands of ammo.
1992 I lived on a farm and killed 82 woodchucks with a Winchester lever action 22 mag. It is very worthy rifle at 150 yards and below for woodchuck
I have the same savage rifle and I love it. I actually just bought a red dot site for it. You should do a video on that
22 mag is one of the most underrated and basically unknown.
Ive been using it for EVERYTHING since the 1970s.
I have a Cz 455 varmint heavy barrel, 14 x scope. You can shoot pop cans ALL DAY @ 250 yards.
100 yards is bullets in the same hole all day.
22 mag is an awesome cartige in a good rifle.
Its inherently accurate.
Someone I know knows someone else who has harvested a metric shit ton of deer, all with a 22 mag, all head shots.
Allegedly.
His name is Poncho, I know the dude !
Hell yeah, I know for a fact it'll kill a nice sized dough at 100yds and my favorite, bores they'll run for about 20 to 30yrds but they'll just throw they're legs up and do the chicken dance as they succumb to their death.
The wind is opening the group. Shoot early in the morning when the wind is calm.
For the conditions that is about as good as can be expected.
I'll bet that wind is affecting the trajectory of the projectiles.
Had a Colt Trooper MKIII 8" barrel chambered in .22 mag, nickel finish I bought new and then sold it at a gun show. Kicking myself in the arsch ever since.
G/day mate I have the same rifle and I use the Hornady Critical Defense 45 gran the gun really likes them
It might be the barrel warming up as you shoot, changing the impact point. I use a digital thermometer to load a round at the same temperature and time my shots to offset temperature related issues. Let the barrel cool down between shots to simulate a cold barrel.
@Jeff Scuderi
No, what. Please expound.
Definitely a huge fan of the .22 wmr. Yeah I had to play with a few different brands of ammo to get the one my Marlin liked best. Sweet caliber
I love it
I have a 1972 issue model 783 that eats cci 40 gr TMJ all day. I have shot whitetail at 720 yds with 30/06 165 GR Hornady. And same with 300 win mag. But the best shot I ever made was with a .22wmr head shot broadside running at 60 yds. Never had I imagined that. I thought of tigers/ rhino, lion with heavy calibers. Hey I was only 19. But I carried that 22 mag every day almost for years. Never thought I would make my best instinctive shot with it. I had a big imagination and dreamed of dangerous game closing in on me. This was a 150 lb hog running across RR track. Uneven ground and I didn't have my brother in law who was usually with me. He would have rejoiced at the shot like I did. Sorry to not have him with me then. You can plan / plan / plan but surprises happen.
Adjust your scope after 3 or 4 shots, not after every one.
if you have plenty of ammo lying around!
Steve, you're a dweeb. That's beginner's advice If you know your rifle, your load and your self, no problem.
@@morrisw7227 I am military trained. I know the right way to do things, obviously you know nothing. I was trained at Ft. Bragg, where were you big mouth?
The table you're using is there a hole in the center of it my dad used to be a lineman and would bring those home all the time for tables and if I remember right there's a big hole in the center check that for your magazine
Try solid tip ammo, i prefer the cci maxi mag for my 22 mag. It shoots very accurately
Bought a model 93 stainless heavy barrel at a pawn shop for groundhog control. It loves 30 grn vmax and has thinned out multiple garden eating groundhogs at 125 yards. Plus much quieter than my 223 I was using prior. Thanks for sharing!
I'm so looking forward to this video
Crazy - I dropped the mag outta my Ruger American 22 mag tonite leaving the woods - so glad I heard it hit the ground, retrieved it and am working on how not to do that again .... Peace ✌️ and GOD bless
I’d like to see more 22WMR videos & if you can find some try Hornady 30 grain V-Max bullets. My rifle really likes those bullets even when shooting 75 yards or more.
LOL... "I bet you do Buddy..." Hell yeah Bro 😂🤣😂🤣
Old white box winchester I have killed a boat load of ground hogs with the magnum
22 Winchester Magnum Rimfire is definitely a favorite of mine. Personally I wouldn't ever bother having a 17 Hornady Magnum Rimfire with less kinetic energy.
22wmr: 300ft lb average
30 gr. (1.9 g) HP2,300 ft/s (700 m/s)322 ft⋅lbf (437 J)40 gr. (2.6 g) JHP1,875 ft/s (572 m/s)324 ft⋅lbf (439 J)50 gr. (3.2 g) JHP1,530 ft/s (470 m/s)300 ft⋅lbf (410 J.
17hmr: 245ft lb
17 gr. (1.1 g)2,650 ft/s (810 m/s)245 ft⋅lbf (332 J)20 gr. (1.3 g)2,350 ft/s (720 m/s)250 ft⋅lbf (340 J).
Hope you find your magazine. Probably came out when you fell off the bench and it bounced nearby.
I have shot deer further than 100 yards with A Magnum. I am form the red lake reservation and used fish and hunt for a living. I would use the 30.06 for long shots and the 22 mag for 200 or less. It doesn't hurt the meat
Im going to say yes but can't wait to find out
100 yds is nothing for a 22 mag. They usually use 17 for reaching out to at least 400 yds.
I’ve eaten much game taken with .22mag. My father in law used to use it to take deer. 1 shot 1 kill.
Know what you mean granddad used 22 LR to get deer . He was a gate guard for kings ranch he was a great shooter . RIP pop .
That's not legal most places. Sure it's done but you will get fined if caught.
@@bobanderson6656 My grand dad did about 40 years ago and he did it to put food on the table and it was divided to 3 family's . Subsidence hunting . Not many laws at that time .
Thanks who tee...Bertrand from cape town south africa...u one of my fav gun channels
As much as I respect the Savage, I dislike the look of it. Prefer the Marlin look