An independent tester would say that removing the dpf, installing a 3inch exhaust and maintaining a high air to fuel ratio in the tune is the best for economy
Automatic converter slip is a big factor in fuel economy. Sure these days in modern dual cabs people just want to throw it in D and not think about but it would be interesting to see the same two tests using manual mode to stop it hunting gears the whole time. I suspect the fuel use difference would be much smaller
I was thinking exactly the same thing. With my MUX I generally tow in manual mode to keep the converter locked as much as possible. This way the transmission does a lot less changes, the trans temps stay lower and the car uses less fuel than using auto mode.
@@brianscott8559 damn, that’s unfortunate. Hopefully someone in the aftermarket might come up with a solution. MM4x4 make great ‘intelligent’ trans lockup kits which started with Mitsubishi and has grown from there
I'm not sure how warranties work in AU, but here in South Africa some manufacturers only has to prove that you did something to the vehicle in the area of the issue to completely void the warranty of that component (or even the entire vehicle). This is why dealers recommend you keep off the more involved mods (i.e. engine tune, long range fuel tank, etc.) until after the original manufacturer warranty has expired. Or just buy a low mileage 2nd hand rig with 1 year left on the warranty and mod it after driving it for a while to make sure there's no major issues.
Would like to see an intake clean performed on a diesel with 150k on it that has never had one before. Use the 4hr liquid/spray method, check fuel consumption again, then pull down the intakes and visually inspect how well that cleaning method really worked.
They don't clean like when you remove parts. Removing the intake and EGR is always better, do it once, do it right. Don't waste your money on that liquid cleaning crap! Also, don't fall for less fuel consumption after tune, unless your rig have less power after tune. No such thing as FREE power mate.
We have 2019 bt50 and tow a 19ft 6 caravan plus live full-time on the road. Best thing I did was to have the bt50 turned to suit my needs . The fuel economy and smoothness of driving and, more importantly, the towing capacity has justified the cost of having it done and have recovered the cost in fuel cost savings.
I think the real testing that needs to be done is on forward/rear facing snorkels and a variety of aftermarket air box’s vs standard on both diesel and petrol models and exhausts
I disagree with the warranty thing. You tune it, you've lost your motor/turbo warranty. Turbo blows? "increased boost pressure caused premature turbo failure" Rod comes out to say hi? "due to engine tune outside of factory fuel and boost pressures caused premature engine failure". That's all they have to prove.
@@UltimateDieselTuning I suppose in a way, you're correct in saying it won't void the warranty. But, they can refuse to fix it under warranty as soon as the ECU has that re-write data point changing from 0 to 1.
@@wheeman999 that's when we step in for our customer to argue our point. In the tens of thousands of vehicles that we have custom dyno tuned - this has only happened a small handful of times & almost all of those times we have argued our point successfully.
@@UltimateDieselTuning Oh, well, good! Not everyone goes back to the tuner. A lot of the time they just accept the manufacturer being 'correct' and buy a new donk/snail. I've seen multiple posts on 200 series pages of people with DPF, injector, turbo or "dusting" warranty claims being rejected because of the re-write value having a 1 on it instead of 0. Fix to that is a piggyback :( Who wants a box to control a box to control the motor? Overcomplicated.
I'd like to enter into the brief here. I have a ZD30 CRC that I had tuned by a completely different company. Out of respect for diesel tune, I shan't say who I selected, but I think I can verify the 24/7 findings. Why did I opt for a tune. ZD30's in general run very high EGT's and mine was no exception, put my van behind it and very rarely under 500° exceeding 700° on steeper inclines. My goal was to lower EGT's. The company I selected advised the could lower my EGT, and give me a boost in torque. Note: My selected tuner also installed Tillix & a welded intercooler at same time. Results: Abundant improvement in torque, heaps actually. Holds 4th gear locked on modest inclines now. The result of the above, improved fuel consumption, yes it's better now than before, categorically, as I record every tank of fuel and work out lts per 100 used. (Not first cut off, I fill to the top of the fuel filler neck, every fill) Another plus, far better engine braking, a benefit I was not expecting. In relation to my Goal, EGT's. Yes they achieved what they promised. Sits around 350°-400° towing now, if I push it on inclines, climbs to 600° but not necessary to push it now. Roll off the throttle at 550° and it just keeps lugging along. The trick with a tune is to not thrash it just cause it goes better, drive with mechanical sympathy in mind, that's the trick. My tune costs are being slowly paid off in fuel savings, "slowly". I have no regrets doing it, but my Patrol was out of warranty so contentious argument here doesn't apply. Bottom line, if you wait to warranty expires, then go ahead, you'll be totally responsible for any resulting drive line damage. Well why the hell view it differently if in warranty, just accept that if something fails you have to cover the cost as if it was out of warranty, it's not rocket science. Should a dealer cover it, you're laughing, if not, just foot the bill. I now bow out of the argument.
100% it affects your warranty. Unless UDT are going to offer to replace engine/drive train if things go pear shaped, I'd be very wary. Every manufacturer will wipe their hands of a warranty claim with any tune.
I,ve a MQ TrITON AND nw pAJERO..BOTH TUNED AND BOTH GET BETTER FUEL ECONOMY AFTER THE TUNED. pROVED THIS MANY A TIME AS i KEEP DETAILED FUEL RECORDS OF FUEL USED AT PUMP VS KILOMETERS TRAVELLED. Mates have good tunes and all get better fuel economy.
@@willhooke when towing I do lots of hill work and are usually foot flat, diesel is unlike petrol and almost all modern Utes run incredibly lean as that is safe. More power requires more fuel and that’s why you see high powered diesel engines blowing black smoke, which can be dangerous. It’s impossible to increase power in a modern diesel without more fuel or fuel pressure and boost pressure. You can have 50+psi of boost on a diesel and give it almost no fuel and have no more power than running 20psi with the same fuelling. I guess what I’m saying is more power in diesel requires more fuel unless you’re running beyond the safe limits of fuel pressure which is hugely detrimental to fuel pump life. I
@@Jacobtheunwise 4L petrol vs turbo-diesel is apples to oranges. When it comes to turbos, intercoolers, etc. Diesels can run lean any day of the week. Petrol engines are stuck at that air/fuel ratio, you won't tune a petrol car and get better mileage towing.
The manufacturer doesn't have to prove anything, if you modify it, the dealer and/or manufacturer will deny the warranty and you the customer then have to prove the mods didn't break your new car. It will take heaps of time and your car is off the road while you fight it out. Of course the tuner is going to say no warranty problem.....I bet they wont be standing at the service desk fighting on your behalf at the dealership.
ACCC says different, Burden of proof if on the person making the claim that the mods caused the issue i.e, the manufacturer. Have personally been through this with Ford and ended up receiving a brand new 3 year newer Ranger out of it.
A simple but perfect example; my neighbour had a professional install of a tune on his 3.2/5-cyl Ranger. Extra torque and power was epic (28%/30%) and he drove it everywhere. Gets rear ended by another SUV and insurance company did their homework and discovered said tune. Outcome?? Void insurance claim. Worse still, the tuning company also closed their books on him stating his 'driving style' most probably caused said accident.
That's because the insurance wasn't notified about the modifications, so they voided the insurance. You have to tell your insurance company about any modifications you do.
that's ridiculous, if the modification didn't contribute to the accident it can't be blamed. You said he got rear ended, if he was stopped, how did his tune contribute?
WTF !? Why on earth would an insurance company investigate a stationary vehicle rear ended by a dipshit , sounds like a crock to me . A tune is not a modification 🤦♂️
Thanks for the vid. The statement about the dealer has to prove the tune caused the problem for a warranty claim doesnt sound quit right. All the dealer needs to do is reject your claim and then you will need to engage a law firm and have very deep pockets to challange them in court.
Sure there will be power, torque and efficiency gains….however when they tell you the tune is well over a grand, and another grand + for the service and manifold clean, and another grand + because they require you to have your injectors replaced because the car’s done 18000kms even though there’s no evident problem otherwise they won’t touch it ….all of a sudden the cost benefit analysis becomes a little more complicated. That being said, if I had a spare $4k - $5k sitting around I would absolutely do it 🤔😂 No one said 4WD’ing is a cheap hobby
I have no issue with tuning, or even the channel running a advertisement by another name for an associated company. If I lived in Aus and wanted a tune, I’d likely use these guys. But the question about warranty always comes up when you run a video about tuning. How about including responses from actual vehicle manufacturers to clarify their stance on actually covering warranty cost/work rather than a tuners claims about the technicality of voided warranties.
Rated at 3.5 t “ struggling with 2 t 😂 positive is excellent fuel consumption, would have been interesting to know how much weight you could put in tub keeping under gvm
Weight ratings are about safety, not performance. As long as it stops and steers with 3.5t behind, it doesn't matter how sluggish it is. Destroying your drivetrain isn't a safety issue.
@@bigmikeinoz It certainly does matter how sluggish. Sit on a highway at 80-85kph and you have a good chance of getting a ticket for impeding traffic. Happens in Qld.
Highly recommend UDT here, the Melbourne guys did my Isuzu MUX 2018 model, also had a soot clean as well, the improvements in performance and fuel while towing were great, when not towing the extra torque makes a huge difference if you need to get out of the way quickly. Recommeded money spend in my opinion.
@@phillbridgeman3731 Hello Phil. Change was massive, pre tune the Dyno on my vehicle read 94.8Kw and 426.4Nm at the back wheel, guys said this was pretty good standard motor, after soot clean and tune, same dyno made 128Kw and 565.3Nm at back wheel. As for fuel without a tow, nothing to write about really, with my 2500Kg van on the back, before tune averaged around 15-17Lt/100kms, after tune around the 12.5-14 mark, the notice was the lack of down shifting when going up hill or wanting to overtake, did down shift but only one gear depending how much you buried your foot. Remember pointless doing the tune without the soot clean, my MUX had covered 45,000 kms prior to tune at UDT, hope that helps Gary
@@garyboekbinder9169 it does help a lot mate. I appreciate your generosity and time in writing your response. I feel convinced to take on the same tune. Once again thanks
@@phillbridgeman3731 Just t finish, these guys will let you make the decision as they will not push you into the tune, these boys are definitely not the car park quick fix people. Enjoy your tune, You'll love it
I test drove the new D-Max as one of the options for my new car. Great vehicle, but it tended to upchange and down change a lot more than the other vehicles I tested - and that was without a van behind it. Salesman said that was natural for the gearbox.
I know not all vehicles will be the same however, what ball park price will it cost to do a dyno tune? You can use the DMax in this episode as an example.
Always shocks me when I see how much a custom tune is in Australia. A good custom tune from a very reputable company in the UK is the equivalent of about $700 Cheap generic tunes start from about $250
Sorry but your tuned vs untuned road towing test is junk. In order to establish the installed economy you need repeatable tests. OEs do this on engine dynos and robot driven chassis rolls, you simply can't get decent enough repeatability doing it on the road. If you do use a road drive to get a basic idea of the difference then you must do the following: 1) A-B-A test ie untuned, tuned, untuned 2) blind test - the driver cannot know which varient they are driving 3) each drive must be analysed for compliance to a mean, ie average speed, average load, average accel etc 4) you need a statistically valid number of repeats of the A-B-A test ie keep doing the sequence until you get to a statisically valid result (ie a known mathematical confidence level) The reason "tuning" a modern diesel engine can reduce real world fuel consumption is because the aftermarket tuner does not have to meet OE tailpipe emissions limits. For a derv, NOx emissions are in diametric opposition to brake specific fuel consumption. If you raise the cruise AFR (leaner) then you absoloutely will increase the NOx emissions. Of course, the aftermarket tuner won't mention this (they very carefully weasle around it in my experience) Lets also clear up the fact that an after market tune is not in any way "better" than an OE one. The OE will have spent 100's of millions of dollars developing and calibrating the engine, they will have driven millions of miles, virtually and actually, they will have tested top and bottom limit parts, and all that will have been done in a statistically valid way, on the absolute best facilities and equipment (a typical in cylinder pressure measurement system cost $500,000, a single OE spec engine dyno something like $20M) No Aftermarket tuner can hope to reproduce the fidelity and robustness of an OE tune. However, because the aftermarket tuner is not legistlated and controlled nearly as tightly, they CAN tune the engine to operate at a condition simply not available to the OE calibrators. The NOx emissions of a leaned off CR derv that will indeed reduce on-cruise consumption by as much as 10% are catastrophic to the OE, the vehicle simpy could not be sold with those levels of tailpipe emisisons, but because NOx is invisible, the aftermarket tuner can (and will ) do just this. There "Incredible low consumption tune" is in fact simply increasing the AFR target values by 15% i've also not yet ever seen any aftermarket tuner claim to re-optimise the SCR/Addblue calibration for their new tune.......
So a manufacturer spends hundreds and hundreds of millions on dynos? Please back up and verify where a dyno cost 20 million dollars, I'm having some trouble believing that number.
@simmo6035 the cost is completely relevant as that was the reason used that tuners can't be better than manufacturers, because the manufacturers have so much more money invested into better equipment than the standard tuning shop would have is the clear implication of what he was saying.
Very interesting. I wonder if this applies to the earlier models. Because my 02 Prado TD 1KZ has had a DP chip in it for years. Has done 1000s of km towing a 2t caravan with no issues.
The dealer doesn't have to prove that the tune caused the problem. Once they discover the vehicle has been modified they will tell you, sorry you have voided your warranty, and you will have to then engage solicitors to fight for you.
The improvement is basically since the basic engine is to light for what you are towing. If you often tow I wouldn’t tune since you get more wear. And a tuned engine will absolutely void warranty. BMW detects tuning and immediately sends a void warranty to Munich for your car. And the can void anything related to the engine and driveline.
It all depends on how aggressively you tune, at most maybe upgrade your brakes but in general the rest should handle it. If you look at certain vehicles over the years when they get face lifted and power increases most will have minor upgrades mechanically.
Could you guys please do a video explaining which gears to use in which situations 1st, 2nd, 3rd etc..., and which gears you need to use when you get stuck and attempt to get the car out, and in which situations just leaving the car in automatic is the right thing to do (if the car has automatic gear boxes) Thanks
Not worth your warrantee. You don't get something from nothing. Law of thermodynamics. Either fuel economy suffers, reliability or performance. The only exception is if the manufacturer gets it very wrong in the first place. Huge investment in dollars in tuning by the manufacturer vs a small company and a laptop.
Get real! , tunes completely stuff your warranty and the owner will have to proof that the damage was not caused by the tune not the other way around and I don’t believe that ultimate diesel tuning would take care of every single aspect of the dispute with the manufacturer . For the record I’m not against tuning my 4x4 is tuned but I’m not expecting to keep my warranty forget it it’s gone same can be said for catch cans which I also have , I don’t like the way this video sells that you can expect not to loose your warranty who seriously is prepared to take a car manufacturer to court and expect that your tuner will have your back don’t miss lead people these videos could be used against you by the right person you did say that it won’t effect the warranty
This is ultimate diesel flogging their product & Shaun making his commission - they don’t care about your warranty. Keep your vehicle stock and reliable
@herctwenty11 why wouldn't the tune last ? and your getting a lot more then just fuel savings. If you tow you'll find the car drives better, and pulls easier. Had my 200 tuned and now the hilux and they drive the way they should now. also with auto transmission less hunting, less temp = better life of the auto.
What is rarely mentioned in the "custom tuning videos" is the cost. Yes this may also vary, but I would hazard to say, for a quality tune you may be looking at $1000 🤷♂ Savings quoted 143L per year of driving the average 13000km, it may take you 5 years to realize the the money you have spent on the tune. In my humble opinion, the best purpose for a tune is for those that have mechanical sympathy for their transmission and running gear. Not the cost savings....no-one buys a 4WD and/or a caravan/boat to save money 💸💸💸
Is it worth tuning an older vehicle with higher kms on it? I have a 2011 Navara that’s passed 315,000km. Now it’s recently had new injectors and fuel pump but it has had issues with clogging the dpf and not great fuel consumption. Would a tune help it at this point in its life or is tuning really a new cars game? Thanks
At 315,000 it’s risky, you might be fine but more chance the engine won’t like it too. I’d delete the DPF and EGR, that way the engine is breathing easier and flowing out better with no restrictions. A intake manifold clean would be beneficial at those kms too
When I drive my ranger with the camper canopy fully loaded I put it in sports mode. Stops the hunting and also saves me a shitload of money on a tune. Was the Isuzu in auto mode and the run in sports after a tune?
I'd love to know if the tuned Dmax emissions are more than factory. Not here to bust anyones balls but I would assume yes? Eg, say the Dmax is euro 7 rated, it might drop to say euro 5 which might be still within the confines of the regulations here.
It's easy, just ditch the 4 bangers in these utes that are being brought into this country like I did, and buy a 2500 Ram with a 6.7ltr Cummins, it's got more than enough grunt for towing, and it's more stable on the road, job done, but of course those things are not for everyone, but for me it's about buying a fit for purpose vehicle, and it makes life much easier.
Might not have technically voided the warranty but you’ll be fighting the dealer tooth and nail in court as they’ll flat out deny you anything motor / driveline if they find a custom map on the ECU. Not to mention if it’s not disclosed to your insurer they may void a claim as it’s changed the vehicle performance.
What different advantages dose a tune have over a throttle controller. Will you notice the diffent between the two.What the answer should you keep your throttle controller or you simple don’t need it any more . And will you notice the difference between the two
You definitely notice the difference! A tune affects fuel flow and boost pressure increasing the output of the engine. A throttle controller does what it says, only affects the sensitivity of your throttle. Keep the controller after the tune if you want to, but speak to the tuner if they are compatible
I would get both as the tune increases power and the TC helps with throttle sensitivity, especially on older vehicles it modernises the driving experience.
Chalk & cheese Mark. A throttle controller does not give you anymore power or torque or any less turbo lag. A proper custom dyno tune, which is what we do, most definitely will.
In my experience you need to consult tuner. I've seen many with a tune also running throttle controller. Hence, in relation to my tune, having seen many run tune & throttle controller as well I asked the question, as you are. Many said run both, as you're hearing here. Consulted my tuner, response "definitely do not fit throttle controller with their tune", hence I haven't. Mind you, the tune greatly improved turbo boost, so turbo lagg is just about redundant now. As 24/7 have disclosed here, fuel economy definitely improved for us also. Another benefit we were not expecting, we have far better engine braking after tune also, a real plus for us. Hope this helps.
Does it make a difference when you take your car in for a tune. Taking it in first day you buy it with a couple of 100km vs driving it first for a couple of 1000km before you tune?
How often should you get a custom tune? If I got a tune today is there a schedule for the next one or do you just get it done when you notice the drop in performance/fuel economy?
Just the once. If it drops off in power/torque, then there is a mechanical issue. A tune won't "drop out" unless it's been overwritten by another tuner, or by a dealership.
Hi There A great test in everyday conditions. One Question on higher mileage engines that was tuned at low ODO kilometers. What would your opinion be on the longevity of engines and engine components with tuned higher output engines over 200 000+ kilometers?
i've got an 09, 76 series with 230000kms on it and I've just bought a small hybrid caravan/camper weighing about 2.8t loaded. Is it safe to tune a higher km engine? does a tune shorten the life expectancy of an engine even if it's new. Cheers.
Yes you can. But at the same time if it's got over 300,000k's on it, it's not recommended. After all, you wouldn' t make your nan run a marathon I'm sure!
Put it this way - we custom dyno tune well over 1000 vehicles per year that are under new car warranty. We only have to step in to help customers challenge dealerships a small handful of times each year. So yes it really is that easy.
Not necessarily if the tune is done properly, it will help it breathe and use less fuel. Obviously, a worn motor will never give you huge power. But if your after economical tune will help.
Yes. More power = more stress. Power is simply a factor torque x rpm. To get more power you need more rpm (stress) or more torque. To get more torque you need greater forces pushing down on the piston (stress). There is no free lunch regards more torque/power vs engine stress.
@D W ..Yes realise there's more stress on the engine and drive train..what I was I getting at does an engine tune cause damage to a vechical with higher ks?..
@@richardnightingale243 That is a “how long is a piece of string” question. A tune will put more stress on any engine. It will be the same stress regardless of new or old. X power = y stress. The extent that stress impacts an engine will be subject to many variables. Was the engine flogged for 200kms with no services or babied with regular servicing? Does the high kms engine have any existing issues? All things being equal, a newer/lower km engine will have less wear and tear. So it is likely to better cope with additional stress. Engines have a finite lifespan. If tuning increases the wear rate then an engine already a good way through it’s lifespan will wear out faster. I’d suggest that wear rates are not linear. The more parts wear, the more play/slop etc is introduced which will accelerate the rate of wear. So you could argue based on that assumption that an older/more worn engine will have exaggerated wear characteristics compared to a new engine.
I rebuild diesel pickup engines, I've seen blown up engines 10 to one tuned to stock. Tuning blows the main bearings out and cracks pistons. Go ahead and spend the money for a race engine. You can rebuild it later.
What I dont get is, if said tune is better both in fuel economy & power why dont the manufacturers just sell the car tuned like this anyway? I always thought a tune would trade one for the other. More power = more fuel & vice versa and therefore the manufacturer sells tuned to a happy medium.
They always use a safe tune that will survive all foreseeable driving styles with all fuel grades in all locations for the warranty period, it comes down to cost.
A tune, if done properly, will give you a better economy. The car does not come tuned for economic savings. Will give you more power and save at the same time.
Only a small number of people are towing a caravan 13000kms a year. 143l at $2.50 a litre is a saving of $357. What does the tune cost? Probably 3-4 years before you see any actual saving.
That's what I always say, more power means it take less effort for for the same effect, thus better economy. Thanks for proof I can send to nah sayers.
No definitely not. One just adjusts throttle sensitivity & the other provides a lot more power & torque & a big reduction in turbo lag/greatly improved engine response. The first one being a throttle controller.
I don't see why they can't, my local tuning/dyno workshops in sunny coast all said that they can do it no worries. Then there's all the tuning places in the UK who dyno tune the td5's 👌
You should have an independent do the test. The guys selling you the product conducting the tests 😂
@@fostersam0 yet you still watch
Well no shit sherlock
An independent tester would say that removing the dpf, installing a 3inch exhaust and maintaining a high air to fuel ratio in the tune is the best for economy
@@jakesdejager902 removing DPFs is highly illegal, which is why we do not encourage or recommend this.
@@matthutch5919 Sure do, their content is still good.
Who would have thought ...An add for a product tells us the product is fantastic ...Thank you
Automatic converter slip is a big factor in fuel economy. Sure these days in modern dual cabs people just want to throw it in D and not think about but it would be interesting to see the same two tests using manual mode to stop it hunting gears the whole time. I suspect the fuel use difference would be much smaller
Yep, towing is a skill that extends well beyond road placement and reversing straight.
I was thinking exactly the same thing. With my MUX I generally tow in manual mode to keep the converter locked as much as possible. This way the transmission does a lot less changes, the trans temps stay lower and the car uses less fuel than using auto mode.
Exactly right 😊
Manual mode in the new Dmax is useless, still changes down. Very disappointed in it compared to 8 year old Colorado.
@@brianscott8559 damn, that’s unfortunate. Hopefully someone in the aftermarket might come up with a solution. MM4x4 make great ‘intelligent’ trans lockup kits which started with Mitsubishi and has grown from there
I'm not sure how warranties work in AU, but here in South Africa some manufacturers only has to prove that you did something to the vehicle in the area of the issue to completely void the warranty of that component (or even the entire vehicle). This is why dealers recommend you keep off the more involved mods (i.e. engine tune, long range fuel tank, etc.) until after the original manufacturer warranty has expired. Or just buy a low mileage 2nd hand rig with 1 year left on the warranty and mod it after driving it for a while to make sure there's no major issues.
Australia has much stronger customer protection laws than SA 🙂
Would like to see an intake clean performed on a diesel with 150k on it that has never had one before. Use the 4hr liquid/spray method, check fuel consumption again, then pull down the intakes and visually inspect how well that cleaning method really worked.
They don't clean like when you remove parts. Removing the intake and EGR is always better, do it once, do it right. Don't waste your money on that liquid cleaning crap! Also, don't fall for less fuel consumption after tune, unless your rig have less power after tune. No such thing as FREE power mate.
We have 2019 bt50 and tow a 19ft 6 caravan plus live full-time on the road.
Best thing I did was to have the bt50 turned to suit my needs .
The fuel economy and smoothness of driving and, more importantly, the towing capacity has justified the cost of having it done and have recovered the cost in fuel cost savings.
I think the real testing that needs to be done is on forward/rear facing snorkels and a variety of aftermarket air box’s vs standard on both diesel and petrol models and exhausts
I disagree with the warranty thing. You tune it, you've lost your motor/turbo warranty. Turbo blows? "increased boost pressure caused premature turbo failure"
Rod comes out to say hi? "due to engine tune outside of factory fuel and boost pressures caused premature engine failure".
That's all they have to prove.
we always tune within the manufacturer's factory safety parameters set within the ECU, never outside.
@@UltimateDieselTuning I suppose in a way, you're correct in saying it won't void the warranty. But, they can refuse to fix it under warranty as soon as the ECU has that re-write data point changing from 0 to 1.
@@wheeman999 that's when we step in for our customer to argue our point. In the tens of thousands of vehicles that we have custom dyno tuned - this has only happened a small handful of times & almost all of those times we have argued our point successfully.
@@UltimateDieselTuning Oh, well, good! Not everyone goes back to the tuner. A lot of the time they just accept the manufacturer being 'correct' and buy a new donk/snail.
I've seen multiple posts on 200 series pages of people with DPF, injector, turbo or "dusting" warranty claims being rejected because of the re-write value having a 1 on it instead of 0.
Fix to that is a piggyback :( Who wants a box to control a box to control the motor? Overcomplicated.
Wow, fancy asking a Dyno Tuner does tuning improve power and torque and fuel economy.
Of course it does!
I'd like to enter into the brief here.
I have a ZD30 CRC that I had tuned by a completely different company. Out of respect for diesel tune, I shan't say who I selected, but I think I can verify the 24/7 findings.
Why did I opt for a tune.
ZD30's in general run very high EGT's and mine was no exception, put my van behind it and very rarely under 500° exceeding 700° on steeper inclines.
My goal was to lower EGT's.
The company I selected advised the could lower my EGT, and give me a boost in torque.
Note: My selected tuner also installed Tillix & a welded intercooler at same time.
Results:
Abundant improvement in torque, heaps actually.
Holds 4th gear locked on modest inclines now.
The result of the above, improved fuel consumption, yes it's better now than before, categorically, as I record every tank of fuel and work out lts per 100 used.
(Not first cut off, I fill to the top of the fuel filler neck, every fill)
Another plus, far better engine braking, a benefit I was not expecting.
In relation to my Goal, EGT's.
Yes they achieved what they promised.
Sits around 350°-400° towing now, if I push it on inclines, climbs to 600° but not necessary to push it now. Roll off the throttle at 550° and it just keeps lugging along.
The trick with a tune is to not thrash it just cause it goes better, drive with mechanical sympathy in mind, that's the trick.
My tune costs are being slowly paid off in fuel savings, "slowly".
I have no regrets doing it, but my Patrol was out of warranty so contentious argument here doesn't apply.
Bottom line, if you wait to warranty expires, then go ahead, you'll be totally responsible for any resulting drive line damage.
Well why the hell view it differently if in warranty, just accept that if something fails you have to cover the cost as if it was out of warranty, it's not rocket science. Should a dealer cover it, you're laughing, if not, just foot the bill.
I now bow out of the argument.
@@UltimateDieselTuninggetting mighty defensive on your paid for video there budd 😅 calm down
100% it affects your warranty. Unless UDT are going to offer to replace engine/drive train if things go pear shaped, I'd be very wary. Every manufacturer will wipe their hands of a warranty claim with any tune.
Had a VW tdi common rail. Got it tuned away from the diesel gate tune. Went from 42mpg to 50mpg at 70 mph, had more power too.
I think my car is affected by that… I got a Leon from 2013 with the EA189 engine. Should have the diesel gate correction, right?
I’ve had a few tunes done and can confidently say more power requires more fuel.
Not if you're getting a cleaner more efficient burn by not recirculating exhaust gasses
I,ve a MQ TrITON AND nw pAJERO..BOTH TUNED AND BOTH GET BETTER FUEL ECONOMY AFTER THE TUNED. pROVED THIS MANY A TIME AS i KEEP DETAILED FUEL RECORDS OF FUEL USED AT PUMP VS KILOMETERS TRAVELLED. Mates have good tunes and all get better fuel economy.
Are you only driving it as hard as pre-tune?
@@willhooke when towing I do lots of hill work and are usually foot flat, diesel is unlike petrol and almost all modern Utes run incredibly lean as that is safe.
More power requires more fuel and that’s why you see high powered diesel engines blowing black smoke, which can be dangerous.
It’s impossible to increase power in a modern diesel without more fuel or fuel pressure and boost pressure.
You can have 50+psi of boost on a diesel and give it almost no fuel and have no more power than running 20psi with the same fuelling.
I guess what I’m saying is more power in diesel requires more fuel unless you’re running beyond the safe limits of fuel pressure which is hugely detrimental to fuel pump life.
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@@glengee4462 thank you for sharing Glen 👍🏻
14L per 100 while towing is better than my suv is empty😂
@harry walker What car is that?
@@madcat4563 ford Territory with 2 inch lift and bigger all terrains
yup lol
@@Jacobtheunwiseso punching the barra all day?
@@Jacobtheunwise 4L petrol vs turbo-diesel is apples to oranges.
When it comes to turbos, intercoolers, etc. Diesels can run lean any day of the week. Petrol engines are stuck at that air/fuel ratio, you won't tune a petrol car and get better mileage towing.
The manufacturer doesn't have to prove anything, if you modify it, the dealer and/or manufacturer will deny the warranty and you the customer then have to prove the mods didn't break your new car. It will take heaps of time and your car is off the road while you fight it out. Of course the tuner is going to say no warranty problem.....I bet they wont be standing at the service desk fighting on your behalf at the dealership.
I'll bet my balls they wont be standing there
@@hilbert3506 and I would bet mine you are correct LOL
Spot on.
Hi there. We do - in instances like this, we do step in to help the customer & 99% of the time, we are successful with our case.
ACCC says different, Burden of proof if on the person making the claim that the mods caused the issue i.e, the manufacturer. Have personally been through this with Ford and ended up receiving a brand new 3 year newer Ranger out of it.
A simple but perfect example; my neighbour had a professional install of a tune on his 3.2/5-cyl Ranger. Extra torque and power was epic (28%/30%) and he drove it everywhere. Gets rear ended by another SUV and insurance company did their homework and discovered said tune. Outcome?? Void insurance claim. Worse still, the tuning company also closed their books on him stating his 'driving style' most probably caused said accident.
That's because the insurance wasn't notified about the modifications, so they voided the insurance.
You have to tell your insurance company about any modifications you do.
that's ridiculous, if the modification didn't contribute to the accident it can't be blamed. You said he got rear ended, if he was stopped, how did his tune contribute?
WTF !? Why on earth would an insurance company investigate a stationary vehicle rear ended by a dipshit , sounds like a crock to me . A tune is not a modification 🤦♂️
@@jbzero85 I,m calling bullshit.
someone is telling porky pies.
Thanks for the vid. The statement about the dealer has to prove the tune caused the problem for a warranty claim doesnt sound quit right. All the dealer needs to do is reject your claim and then you will need to engage a law firm and have very deep pockets to challange them in court.
Good review....In my opinion a tuned car is more optimised in all aspects than a factory one
Sure there will be power, torque and efficiency gains….however when they tell you the tune is well over a grand, and another grand + for the service and manifold clean, and another grand + because they require you to have your injectors replaced because the car’s done 18000kms even though there’s no evident problem otherwise they won’t touch it ….all of a sudden the cost benefit analysis becomes a little more complicated. That being said, if I had a spare $4k - $5k sitting around I would absolutely do it 🤔😂 No one said 4WD’ing is a cheap hobby
I’m in the USA. I had a 2005 2500hd duramax. I had switch on the fly tunes and my mileage went up about 3 mpg. On my highest tune my power was doubled
I have a 21 DMax had it tuned and yes it has improved but it still uses a a lot more fuel than I thought it would 800km out of 115lt
Tyres make a mad difference in fuel consumption… you don’t need 33 all the time. (They look sick, though)
I have no issue with tuning, or even the channel running a advertisement by another name for an associated company. If I lived in Aus and wanted a tune, I’d likely use these guys. But the question about warranty always comes up when you run a video about tuning. How about including responses from actual vehicle manufacturers to clarify their stance on actually covering warranty cost/work rather than a tuners claims about the technicality of voided warranties.
Rated at 3.5 t “ struggling with 2 t 😂 positive is excellent fuel consumption, would have been interesting to know how much weight you could put in tub keeping under gvm
Weight ratings are about safety, not performance. As long as it stops and steers with 3.5t behind, it doesn't matter how sluggish it is.
Destroying your drivetrain isn't a safety issue.
the van was 2.5T, and there are still plenty of owners towing more without issues.
@@bigmikeinoz It certainly does matter how sluggish. Sit on a highway at 80-85kph and you have a good chance of getting a ticket for impeding traffic. Happens in Qld.
@@scotty311 Hell of a lot are illegally over weight as well. It does not matter much as they are self entitled to do as they want....
Awesome video as always 4WD 24/7.
Highly recommend UDT here, the Melbourne guys did my Isuzu MUX 2018 model, also had a soot clean as well, the improvements in performance and fuel while towing were great, when not towing the extra torque makes a huge difference if you need to get out of the way quickly. Recommeded money spend in my opinion.
Great to hear Gary!
Hi mate I have the same car, and tow about 2.5t with it? what sort of gains did you get? I`m toying with doing the same tune.
@@phillbridgeman3731 Hello Phil. Change was massive, pre tune the Dyno on my vehicle read 94.8Kw and 426.4Nm at the back wheel, guys said this was pretty good standard motor, after soot clean and tune, same dyno made 128Kw and 565.3Nm at back wheel. As for fuel without a tow, nothing to write about really, with my 2500Kg van on the back, before tune averaged around 15-17Lt/100kms, after tune around the 12.5-14 mark, the notice was the lack of down shifting when going up hill or wanting to overtake, did down shift but only one gear depending how much you buried your foot. Remember pointless doing the tune without the soot clean, my MUX had covered 45,000 kms prior to tune at UDT, hope that helps Gary
@@garyboekbinder9169 it does help a lot mate. I appreciate your generosity and time in writing your response. I feel convinced to take on the same tune. Once again thanks
@@phillbridgeman3731 Just t finish, these guys will let you make the decision as they will not push you into the tune, these boys are definitely not the car park quick fix people. Enjoy your tune, You'll love it
I’d like to hear more about tuning petrol vehicles
Perfect explanation! Similar to what the shop said I had my Mu-X tuned! 👍
I test drove the new D-Max as one of the options for my new car. Great vehicle, but it tended to upchange and down change a lot more than the other vehicles I tested - and that was without a van behind it. Salesman said that was natural for the gearbox.
Love your stuff guys. Keep it coming!.
I know not all vehicles will be the same however, what ball park price will it cost to do a dyno tune? You can use the DMax in this episode as an example.
Around $2k
What??!!!!!! 😮 That negates the fuel savings!
It was $1400 for my 2022 Dmax through these guys
@stormvalestarabs right? If tuning only gets you a 1.1 litre difference every 100k's how many miles do you need to drive to equal the cost?
Always shocks me when I see how much a custom tune is in Australia. A good custom tune from a very reputable company in the UK is the equivalent of about $700
Cheap generic tunes start from about $250
Sorry but your tuned vs untuned road towing test is junk. In order to establish the installed economy you need repeatable tests. OEs do this on engine dynos and robot driven chassis rolls, you simply can't get decent enough repeatability doing it on the road. If you do use a road drive to get a basic idea of the difference then you must do the following:
1) A-B-A test ie untuned, tuned, untuned
2) blind test - the driver cannot know which varient they are driving
3) each drive must be analysed for compliance to a mean, ie average speed, average load, average accel etc
4) you need a statistically valid number of repeats of the A-B-A test ie keep doing the sequence until you get to a statisically valid result (ie a known mathematical confidence level)
The reason "tuning" a modern diesel engine can reduce real world fuel consumption is because the aftermarket tuner does not have to meet OE tailpipe emissions limits. For a derv, NOx emissions are in diametric opposition to brake specific fuel consumption. If you raise the cruise AFR (leaner) then you absoloutely will increase the NOx emissions. Of course, the aftermarket tuner won't mention this (they very carefully weasle around it in my experience)
Lets also clear up the fact that an after market tune is not in any way "better" than an OE one. The OE will have spent 100's of millions of dollars developing and calibrating the engine, they will have driven millions of miles, virtually and actually, they will have tested top and bottom limit parts, and all that will have been done in a statistically valid way, on the absolute best facilities and equipment (a typical in cylinder pressure measurement system cost $500,000, a single OE spec engine dyno something like $20M) No Aftermarket tuner can hope to reproduce the fidelity and robustness of an OE tune.
However, because the aftermarket tuner is not legistlated and controlled nearly as tightly, they CAN tune the engine to operate at a condition simply not available to the OE calibrators. The NOx emissions of a leaned off CR derv that will indeed reduce on-cruise consumption by as much as 10% are catastrophic to the OE, the vehicle simpy could not be sold with those levels of tailpipe emisisons, but because NOx is invisible, the aftermarket tuner can (and will ) do just this. There "Incredible low consumption tune" is in fact simply increasing the AFR target values by 15%
i've also not yet ever seen any aftermarket tuner claim to re-optimise the SCR/Addblue calibration for their new tune.......
How about just changing the diff ratio to 4.10s or somthing and getting the speedo corrected? That would sort a lot of towing problems out.
100% manufacturers need to follow laws, tuners don't.
So a manufacturer spends hundreds and hundreds of millions on dynos?
Please back up and verify where a dyno cost 20 million dollars, I'm having some trouble believing that number.
The cost of the dyno is irrelevant, it was simply an example.
@simmo6035 the cost is completely relevant as that was the reason used that tuners can't be better than manufacturers, because the manufacturers have so much more money invested into better equipment than the standard tuning shop would have is the clear implication of what he was saying.
Very interesting. I wonder if this applies to the earlier models. Because my 02 Prado TD 1KZ has had a DP chip in it for years. Has done 1000s of km towing a 2t caravan with no issues.
What's your question exactly?
@@seantorcello3325 I was wondering if this applies to the earlier models with tuning chips
You said if the tune is wiped the owner can bring it back in and you can restore it. What is the cost for this?
Most of the time, it is free of charge.
The dealer doesn't have to prove that the tune caused the problem. Once they discover the vehicle has been modified they will tell you, sorry you have voided your warranty, and you will have to then engage solicitors to fight for you.
Very good info every body needs
The improvement is basically since the basic engine is to light for what you are towing. If you often tow I wouldn’t tune since you get more wear.
And a tuned engine will absolutely void warranty. BMW detects tuning and immediately sends a void warranty to Munich for your car. And the can void anything related to the engine and driveline.
What's going to be the extra strain on driveline components putting out extra torque and horsepower? I.E. reducing the lifespan of the gearbox?
Dunno, but that is one of the reasons the warranty shouldn't apply after tuning.
Well if you're tuning within factory parameters and ratios' then you haven't violated any engine expectation.
It all depends on how aggressively you tune, at most maybe upgrade your brakes but in general the rest should handle it. If you look at certain vehicles over the years when they get face lifted and power increases most will have minor upgrades mechanically.
That's the trade-off you go with. Along with more fuel consumption and losing the warranty.
You should be using the tiptronic when towing also
Emissions.... in order to achieve these gains does the retune increase any emissions?
Could you guys please do a video explaining which gears to use in which situations 1st, 2nd, 3rd etc..., and which gears you need to use when you get stuck and attempt to get the car out, and in which situations just leaving the car in automatic is the right thing to do (if the car has automatic gear boxes)
Thanks
Whats the cost of the tune v cost of saving in the fuel, does it out way the saving in fuel over 12 months
I doubt that the warranty thing will fly in my country.
Dealship will point out the tune ASAP and ignore any other signs.
and good luck fighting the dealer, unless you want to play with lawyers.
Not worth your warrantee. You don't get something from nothing. Law of thermodynamics. Either fuel economy suffers, reliability or performance. The only exception is if the manufacturer gets it very wrong in the first place. Huge investment in dollars in tuning by the manufacturer vs a small company and a laptop.
Get real! , tunes completely stuff your warranty and the owner will have to proof that the damage was not caused by the tune not the other way around and I don’t believe that ultimate diesel tuning would take care of every single aspect of the dispute with the manufacturer . For the record I’m not against tuning my 4x4 is tuned but I’m not expecting to keep my warranty forget it it’s gone same can be said for catch cans which I also have , I don’t like the way this video sells that you can expect not to loose your warranty who seriously is prepared to take a car manufacturer to court and expect that your tuner will have your back don’t miss lead people these videos could be used against you by the right person you did say that it won’t effect the warranty
This is ultimate diesel flogging their product & Shaun making his commission - they don’t care about your warranty. Keep your vehicle stock and reliable
You might wanna count that tuning cost into the fuel consumption LMAO
@@herctwenty11 There about 3k for the tune, with the numbers quoted, saving about 300 a year, it takes 10 years to break even.
@herctwenty11 why wouldn't the tune last ? and your getting a lot more then just fuel savings. If you tow you'll find the car drives better, and pulls easier. Had my 200 tuned and now the hilux and they drive the way they should now. also with auto transmission less hunting, less temp = better life of the auto.
@@SwampySi 3K for the tune?!!! Wow, we need to up our prices by over double if that is the case lol!
@@UltimateDieselTuning that was a quote direct from you. You wouldn’t do the tune without the flush also.
@@SwampySi depends on which car you have & the ks it's travelled.
What is rarely mentioned in the "custom tuning videos" is the cost. Yes this may also vary, but I would hazard to say, for a quality tune you may be looking at $1000 🤷♂ Savings quoted 143L per year of driving the average 13000km, it may take you 5 years to realize the the money you have spent on the tune. In my humble opinion, the best purpose for a tune is for those that have mechanical sympathy for their transmission and running gear. Not the cost savings....no-one buys a 4WD and/or a caravan/boat to save money 💸💸💸
Is it worth tuning an older vehicle with higher kms on it?
I have a 2011 Navara that’s passed 315,000km. Now it’s recently had new injectors and fuel pump but it has had issues with clogging the dpf and not great fuel consumption.
Would a tune help it at this point in its life or is tuning really a new cars game?
Thanks
At 315,000 it’s risky, you might be fine but more chance the engine won’t like it too. I’d delete the DPF and EGR, that way the engine is breathing easier and flowing out better with no restrictions. A intake manifold clean would be beneficial at those kms too
Yes it sure will especially if you have new injectors fitted to it.
When I drive my ranger with the camper canopy fully loaded I put it in sports mode. Stops the hunting and also saves me a shitload of money on a tune. Was the Isuzu in auto mode and the run in sports after a tune?
I'd love to know if the tuned Dmax emissions are more than factory. Not here to bust anyones balls but I would assume yes? Eg, say the Dmax is euro 7 rated, it might drop to say euro 5 which might be still within the confines of the regulations here.
from what is said i don’t think that it would be much different as they said they are fixing the air fuel ratios from the factory flash tune
Emissions are better once tuned, from factory they are over fueled
It's easy, just ditch the 4 bangers in these utes that are being brought into this country like I did, and buy a 2500 Ram with a 6.7ltr Cummins, it's got more than enough grunt for towing, and it's more stable on the road, job done, but of course those things are not for everyone, but for me it's about buying a fit for purpose vehicle, and it makes life much easier.
Might not have technically voided the warranty but you’ll be fighting the dealer tooth and nail in court as they’ll flat out deny you anything motor / driveline if they find a custom map on the ECU.
Not to mention if it’s not disclosed to your insurer they may void a claim as it’s changed the vehicle performance.
what about older diesel vehicles (2011). Would they still benefit from a tune
Yes, absolutely
Big tyres look good but heaps more fuel
Can you tune the Dmax gearbox so it will stay locked longer instead of stalling up or changing gears when under load
I hate the trans tune in my 21 Dmax. So much so, I gave it to one of my guys to drive and bought a Hilux instead!! Lots I hated about my Dmax.
is there a way to get more power out of a non turbo diesel, without a rebuild or turbo
Nitrous
How much does it $$$ approximately really enjoy your episodes always very informative 🙏🙏
Great video mate 👍 👌
You guys should do a episode about buying th right 4x4 to meet your needs, towing, payloads etc..
Haha!
auto expert does videos like that if you can deal with his personality
Exactly, Why go buy a 3 litre 4 pot too tow 3 tonnes then complain about lack of power?
@@jamezxhare you suggesting spending 20k more to get a V6 anal ranger or a VW bag of bolts?
Can we do video on tuning petrol
Should do it or not!
What would it do?
Is it worth tuning a petrol 4wd? For a bit more power
Yes, but unless it's forced induction.. Don't expect better economy.
What different advantages dose a tune have over a throttle controller. Will you notice the diffent between the two.What the answer should you keep your throttle controller or you simple don’t need it any more . And will you notice the difference between the two
You definitely notice the difference! A tune affects fuel flow and boost pressure increasing the output of the engine. A throttle controller does what it says, only affects the sensitivity of your throttle.
Keep the controller after the tune if you want to, but speak to the tuner if they are compatible
I would get both as the tune increases power and the TC helps with throttle sensitivity, especially on older vehicles it modernises the driving experience.
Chalk & cheese Mark. A throttle controller does not give you anymore power or torque or any less turbo lag. A proper custom dyno tune, which is what we do, most definitely will.
In my experience you need to consult tuner. I've seen many with a tune also running throttle controller.
Hence, in relation to my tune, having seen many run tune & throttle controller as well I asked the question, as you are. Many said run both, as you're hearing here.
Consulted my tuner, response "definitely do not fit throttle controller with their tune", hence I haven't.
Mind you, the tune greatly improved turbo boost, so turbo lagg is just about redundant now.
As 24/7 have disclosed here, fuel economy definitely improved for us also.
Another benefit we were not expecting, we have far better engine braking after tune also, a real plus for us.
Hope this helps.
Does it make a difference when you take your car in for a tune. Taking it in first day you buy it with a couple of 100km vs driving it first for a couple of 1000km before you tune?
No - we tune cars straight from the dealerships before they are even delivered to their customers!
When purchasing an older vehicle, should they be immediately tuned or should it be tested firstly for other problems that occur with aging!
Fix the problems first then tune it.
A reputable place will only tune appropriate to the vehicles condition/capability.
The guys I went thru did a engine compression test before anything else.
How often should you get a custom tune? If I got a tune today is there a schedule for the next one or do you just get it done when you notice the drop in performance/fuel economy?
Fucking what?
Just the once. If it drops off in power/torque, then there is a mechanical issue. A tune won't "drop out" unless it's been overwritten by another tuner, or by a dealership.
Not everyone is driving a new car. Would be good to see an older model cruiser or patrol on the dyno, or can they not be tuned?
Hi There
A great test in everyday conditions. One Question on higher mileage engines that was tuned at low ODO kilometers.
What would your opinion be on the longevity of engines and engine components with tuned higher output engines over 200 000+ kilometers?
Is this available for the GWM Connon?
i've got an 09, 76 series with 230000kms on it and I've just bought a small hybrid caravan/camper weighing about 2.8t loaded. Is it safe to tune a higher km engine? does a tune shorten the life expectancy of an engine even if it's new. Cheers.
HI Justin yes it is. It will need a good soot clean as well, plus an upgraded clutch. No it won't shorten the life expectancy of an engine.
Do you do automatic gearbox tunes as well ?
You’d get better results with a shift-kit or valve body, and a lock up module.
how much is a custom tune roughly cost ?? is it worth tuning a later model turbo diesel with high km's ??
I have a pre DPF 200 snorkel bigger air box exhaust should I get a tune done ?
Yep
How much power and torque did this car make after the tune
Alternate Universe - Shawn on PAVEMENT ?!?!
Fuel saving say $250, cost of the tune? Cost benefit?
How much would the tune cost?
Are these tuned vehicles tested to ensure they still meet emmission standards?
No 😂
Can you tune an older vehicle? I have a 2014 Mazda BT50 with highish kms
Yes you can. But at the same time if it's got over 300,000k's on it, it's not recommended. After all, you wouldn' t make your nan run a marathon I'm sure!
So youre saying no on has ever been given a harder time by the dealer for having a tune and claiming warrantys? Its that easy is it mate? What a joke.
Put it this way - we custom dyno tune well over 1000 vehicles per year that are under new car warranty. We only have to step in to help customers challenge dealerships a small handful of times each year. So yes it really is that easy.
Running EGR delete cable on a 4jj1. Apparent you won't need a catch can after. What's your thoughts.
Now take the dpf out and test it again.
shows both receipts at start of video but one has cheaper price which isnt blurred but blurs out litres pumped in haha
What happens when you take your car for a service and they reset to factory?
Did you even watch the video the answer was pretty clear to you question.
Tuner guy said they store the tune on file
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@@harrywalker968 buy a new Ute for 70k then don’t follow logbooks for warranty….. your not very smart hey.
How much does a custom tune cost for a 2018 Dmax
over 12 months you save $300 but the tune costs$2500 go figure
A custom dyno tune by us definitely does not cost anywhere near $2500 sorry Peter.
Does an engine tune put extra stress on an engine with higher ks (4jj2 with 170ks )
Not necessarily if the tune is done properly, it will help it breathe and use less fuel. Obviously, a worn motor will never give you huge power. But if your after economical tune will help.
Yes, unless you tune it for less power.
Yes. More power = more stress. Power is simply a factor torque x rpm. To get more power you need more rpm (stress) or more torque. To get more torque you need greater forces pushing down on the piston (stress). There is no free lunch regards more torque/power vs engine stress.
@D W ..Yes realise there's more stress on the engine and drive train..what I was I getting at does an engine tune cause damage to a vechical with higher ks?..
@@richardnightingale243 That is a “how long is a piece of string” question. A tune will put more stress on any engine. It will be the same stress regardless of new or old. X power = y stress. The extent that stress impacts an engine will be subject to many variables. Was the engine flogged for 200kms with no services or babied with regular servicing? Does the high kms engine have any existing issues? All things being equal, a newer/lower km engine will have less wear and tear. So it is likely to better cope with additional stress. Engines have a finite lifespan. If tuning increases the wear rate then an engine already a good way through it’s lifespan will wear out faster. I’d suggest that wear rates are not linear. The more parts wear, the more play/slop etc is introduced which will accelerate the rate of wear. So you could argue based on that assumption that an older/more worn engine will have exaggerated wear characteristics compared to a new engine.
Do u tune land cruiser 300 series?
I rebuild diesel pickup engines, I've seen blown up engines 10 to one tuned to stock. Tuning blows the main bearings out and cracks pistons. Go ahead and spend the money for a race engine. You can rebuild it later.
What I dont get is, if said tune is better both in fuel economy & power why dont the manufacturers just sell the car tuned like this anyway?
I always thought a tune would trade one for the other. More power = more fuel & vice versa and therefore the manufacturer sells tuned to a happy medium.
I never understand why they don’t optimise them before they sell them.
Because it would take a lot longer and cost more money to produce which means more cost to the consumer and less competitive in the market.
@@BarefootPhilanthropist but it would be a better product. They spend billions improving the product why not the last 5%
New cars need to meet strict emissions standards, playing with the tune will affect vehicle emissions.
They always use a safe tune that will survive all foreseeable driving styles with all fuel grades in all locations for the warranty period, it comes down to cost.
how about the 1.9L vs 3.0L one on same test? some trader just want fuel saving and live with the lack of power
A tune, if done properly, will give you a better economy. The car does not come tuned for economic savings. Will give you more power and save at the same time.
Will it affect warranty, No wrong Toyota will honor any tune upgrades on its 200 series 100%
Only a small number of people are towing a caravan 13000kms a year. 143l at $2.50 a litre is a saving of $357. What does the tune cost? Probably 3-4 years before you see any actual saving.
That's what was I was thinking, 13k a year towing is alot
That's what I always say, more power means it take less effort for for the same effect, thus better economy. Thanks for proof I can send to nah sayers.
Would love to see the same test done. With the 2023 LDV T60 MAX PRO twin turbo and see how that goes.
Would it make the 180km trip though .
It wouldn’t go well it would break before leaving the servo
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 took the words right of my mouth
Is fitting a Ultimate 9 or Hike it controller just as good as a custom tune? I tow 2t trailer 5 days week.
No definitely not. One just adjusts throttle sensitivity & the other provides a lot more power & torque & a big reduction in turbo lag/greatly improved engine response. The first one being a throttle controller.
Sounds like a good idea to get my Ranger tuned. I will have to find someone South Australia that does it. Thank, Andrew
@@andrewmitchell5028 no worries mate!
You'd Think with only benefits to come from a tune. Why don't manufactures just have vehicles tuned up as standard from the factory?
Does a tune still work well even if the car is 10+ years old compared to a newish car
Yes. Just needs to be a common-rail turbo-diesel engine.
Can you tune 2004 disco td5?
Td5Zilla 👌
No, sorry Steve
I don't see why they can't, my local tuning/dyno workshops in sunny coast all said that they can do it no worries. Then there's all the tuning places in the UK who dyno tune the td5's 👌
It's pretty hard to justify the cost of a tune just to save at most two tanks of fuel a year.